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Eldhih
Posted - 2011.04.18 17:20:00 - [331]
 

My two cents:

Caught Botting on a Plex Account

1st Offense: All isk and assets deleted on all characters of same account in addition to the two week ban.
2nd Offense: Permanent loss of ability to buy and sell plexes in addition to standard 30 day ban
3rd Offense: Account removal and denial of Plex transactions to account tied to the IP and/or credit card used for previous offenses

Caught Botting on a Paid Account

1st Offense: As governments around the world love fining people for every silly thing, so too should EVE. Fine the offender, "caught botting? Okay, account suspended until a $30 fine is paid (naturally placed on bot watch list). LoLz
2nd Offense: Loss of all assets tied to account and suspended until a $100 dollar fine is paid.
3rd Offense: Account bannned, credit card and/or IP tied to account fined $400 on next subscription.

Reason for the Fines
Hey... CCP will lose a signifant chunk of revenue on botters quiting EVE, and those that stay with will almost make up for the lost subscriptions in fines. Almost...

Summary
Only way to hit botters where it hurts the most, is thier "real wallet".
Failing that, leave botters be, but exile them to the test server or create a server for cheaters (like a dirty sandbox).

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.18 19:04:00 - [332]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
<stuff said>

DING DING DING DING

Round Two!

Good luck CCP.



Time for me to take my hunt to the next level. So far, I've been using alts to keep track of certain "toons" that act suspicious. I managed to find a "suspicious" toon in The Forge, but so far it's hard to tell if that toon is really a bot. I will have to observe it some more before I report to CCP.

Cole Whittaker
Posted - 2011.04.18 21:01:00 - [333]
 

Great work NinjaSpud and CCP Sreegs.

Two things, one for each of you:

Sreegs, (or considering your limited time, anyone who has successfully had a petition result in a ban) How much time should we track a predictable/suspicious toon before submitting the petition? A week? A few days? I usually don't petition, but if it really is valuable information I'll start.

NinjaSpud, should this thread include a list of people/corps combating botting in game as well? I know of at least one player built website (google "eve bot report" and it comes to the top) and I figure getting everyone on the same page would be a good move for "our side"

Liquldsteel
Posted - 2011.04.18 21:02:00 - [334]
 

Edited by: Liquldsteel on 18/04/2011 21:05:03
Originally by: Eldhih
My two cents:

Caught Botting on a Plex Account

1st Offense: All isk and assets deleted on all characters of same account in addition to the two week ban.
2nd Offense: Permanent loss of ability to buy and sell plexes in addition to standard 30 day ban
3rd Offense: Account removal and denial of Plex transactions to account tied to the IP and/or credit card used for previous offenses

Caught Botting on a Paid Account

1st Offense: As governments around the world love fining people for every silly thing, so too should EVE. Fine the offender, "caught botting? Okay, account suspended until a $30 fine is paid (naturally placed on bot watch list). LoLz
2nd Offense: Loss of all assets tied to account and suspended until a $100 dollar fine is paid.
3rd Offense: Account bannned, credit card and/or IP tied to account fined $400 on next subscription.

Reason for the Fines
Hey... CCP will lose a signifant chunk of revenue on botters quiting EVE, and those that stay with will almost make up for the lost subscriptions in fines. Almost...

Summary
Only way to hit botters where it hurts the most, is thier "real wallet".
Failing that, leave botters be, but exile them to the test server or create a server for cheaters (like a dirty sandbox).



Are you ******ed? ugh good grief is that a cuss word? okay hows this , are you mentally challenged?

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.04.18 21:19:00 - [335]
 

ya, it's ******ed that ******ed is a cuss word.

Second, Eldhih I do appreciate your support, but that does seem a little extreeme.

While I do beleive doing that would almost stop the botters (who want's that big of a fine), a wise old man named Confucius once said "Never use cannon to kill mosquito".

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.04.18 21:21:00 - [336]
 

Originally by: Cole Whittaker
Great work NinjaSpud and CCP Sreegs.

Two things, one for each of you:

Sreegs, (or considering your limited time, anyone who has successfully had a petition result in a ban) How much time should we track a predictable/suspicious toon before submitting the petition? A week? A few days? I usually don't petition, but if it really is valuable information I'll start.

NinjaSpud, should this thread include a list of people/corps combating botting in game as well? I know of at least one player built website (google "eve bot report" and it comes to the top) and I figure getting everyone on the same page would be a good move for "our side"


Sounds like a plan, I do need to fix my 'headlins' page to have direct links to the posts im refering to, I'll see what else I can post to that relevance.


Guitonkagya
Minmatar
The Ouroboros Partnership
Posted - 2011.04.18 21:37:00 - [337]
 

Edited by: Guitonkagya on 18/04/2011 21:40:04
Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Originally by: NinjaSpud
<stuff said>

DING DING DING DING

Round Two!

Good luck CCP.



Time for me to take my hunt to the next level. So far, I've been using alts to keep track of certain "toons" that act suspicious. I managed to find a "suspicious" toon in The Forge, but so far it's hard to tell if that toon is really a bot. I will have to observe it some more before I report to CCP.


Like you i am tracking and keeping notes on what i have observed and then reporting to CCP when i feel i have enough convincing evidence through my observations/interactions. I basically report the players names and the system i have seen them operate in, I then state that i have observed them for a good amount of time and that if CCP were to investigate these players then i am confident that they too will will see these accounts to be in breach of the EULA with the use of macro programs.

It seems i was pre-emptive in celebrating the banning of certain bots in my system, as unfortunately they have reared their ugly heads again Confused...but i have faith that ultimately these characters are being monitored with an impending Ban/Caution on the horizon. My observations have shown me that these bots suddenly changed their botting hours significantly to avoid detection, since the current 'heat' on bots, but it seems they are crawling out of the woodwork again.

Seriously does anyone else think we need some sort of organised in-game player based effort against the bots? or maybe there are already Bot hunting Corps out there? I would be very interested in joing or forming an organised co-alition of Players Against Bots™. Maybe we should bring together the rabble of Bot hunters out there into an organised force? Share intel and bot tears etc

edit:grammar

Guitonkagya
Minmatar
The Ouroboros Partnership
Posted - 2011.04.18 21:39:00 - [338]
 

Originally by: Cole Whittaker
snip
NinjaSpud, should this thread include a list of people/corps combating botting in game as well? I know of at least one player built website (google "eve bot report" and it comes to the top) and I figure getting everyone on the same page would be a good move for "our side"


this. Yes please! Cool

Puppet Mas'ter
Posted - 2011.04.18 21:45:00 - [339]
 

Im rather curious as to whether all the previously reported bots (IE the ones that have been there for years and reported for months/weeks, are getting a blanket amnesty or are those backlog reports going to be processed?

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.18 21:46:00 - [340]
 

Edited by: J Kunjeh on 18/04/2011 21:46:22
Originally by: Guitonkagya

Seriously does anyone else think we need some sort of organised in-game player based effort against the bots? or maybe there are already Bot hunting Corps out there? I would be very interested in joing or forming an organised co-alition of Players Against Bots™. Maybe we should bring together the rabble of Bot hunters out there into an organised force? Share intel and bot tears etc



A Botageddon? I'm in.

Max Romeo
Posted - 2011.04.18 21:58:00 - [341]
 

Mining contracts for highsec mining(with the relevant faction), the more you mine the more resources you hand over(% resources you mined from their belts, not isk!); failure to hand over the amount owed -> lose sec. Could even mix in some of the mining mission stuff for RP homeownership.

'Elite' frigs/cruisers have a chance of spawning at your warp destination if you suddenly leave a belt after ratting in the same system for more than an hour. Assuming ewarp trickery has been fixed, that'd be a pretty interesting lossmail your bots will be getting. Could all be fixed by making true-sec float depending on NPC kills and such... mmmm :3 So long as they have to leave to travel between systems and such there's an actual risk.

Over-active market bots can be detected offline quite easily, I'm sure CCP have that covered.

So long as you start to limit static, zero risk, automatable tasks you'll be boosting the 'real player economy'.

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.04.18 22:44:00 - [342]
 

Edited by: NinjaSpud on 18/04/2011 22:44:18


I'm couriouse how well a 'anti mining' corp would do.

If one where started would any of my readers join it?

Perhaps a anti-bot intel channel instead?

clixor
Celluloid Gurus
Posted - 2011.04.18 22:54:00 - [343]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
Edited by: J Kunjeh on 18/04/2011 21:46:22
Originally by: Guitonkagya

Seriously does anyone else think we need some sort of organised in-game player based effort against the bots? or maybe there are already Bot hunting Corps out there? I would be very interested in joing or forming an organised co-alition of Players Against Bots™. Maybe we should bring together the rabble of Bot hunters out there into an organised force? Share intel and bot tears etc



A Botageddon? I'm in.


I might even donate some isk for such a cause Laughing

This might also be a good chance for the major alliances to show what their worth. If they refuse such an initiative on their turf.. well. that kindof says it all doesn't it.

Oniero DeVille
Posted - 2011.04.18 23:00:00 - [344]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
Edited by: J Kunjeh on 18/04/2011 21:46:22
Originally by: Guitonkagya

Seriously does anyone else think we need some sort of organised in-game player based effort against the bots? or maybe there are already Bot hunting Corps out there? I would be very interested in joing or forming an organised co-alition of Players Against Bots™. Maybe we should bring together the rabble of Bot hunters out there into an organised force? Share intel and bot tears etc



A Botageddon? I'm in.


Yooooouuuu sir are a genius!!!

SlayerOfArgus
Gallente
Hermes Enterprises
Posted - 2011.04.18 23:02:00 - [345]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
Edited by: NinjaSpud on 18/04/2011 22:44:18


I'm couriouse how well a 'anti mining' corp would do.

If one where started would any of my readers join it?

Perhaps a anti-bot intel channel instead?


I'm in. I don't care what kind of botting it is I'll fight against all of it.

Hulkageddon is good but the fact that it is announced months before hand somewhat makes it difficult to kill bots since they have so much time to plan.

But anyways, I would be all for joining an anti-botting corp/intel channel.

Guitonkagya
Minmatar
The Ouroboros Partnership
Posted - 2011.04.18 23:06:00 - [346]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
Edited by: NinjaSpud on 18/04/2011 22:44:18


I'm curious how well an 'anti mining' corp would do.

If one where started would any of my readers join it?

Perhaps a anti-bot intel channel instead?


You could count me in Spud.

Also a dedicated Anti-Bot chanel is a great idea. A place to share intel and organise Bot attacks maybe? Somewhere to rally the troops.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.04.18 23:09:00 - [347]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
Edited by: J Kunjeh on 18/04/2011 21:46:22
Originally by: Guitonkagya

Seriously does anyone else think we need some sort of organised in-game player based effort against the bots? or maybe there are already Bot hunting Corps out there? I would be very interested in joing or forming an organised co-alition of Players Against Bots™. Maybe we should bring together the rabble of Bot hunters out there into an organised force? Share intel and bot tears etc



A Botageddon? I'm in.


wasnt that the BS reason Helicity gave for starting Hulkageddon in the first place?

Yuki Kulotsuki
Posted - 2011.04.18 23:24:00 - [348]
 

Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 18/04/2011 23:24:18
I don't think HG was ever billed as an anti-bot measure. It has been claimed that only AFK miners or bots would get caught. HG AFAIK as always been unashamedly about the joys of blowing ships up. It did have a bit of a slant about how stupid static insurance was since it was actually profitable to suicide a ship before taking into account loot from a suicide gank.

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.18 23:28:00 - [349]
 

Quote:
wasnt that the BS reason Helicity gave for starting Hulkageddon in the first place?


The problem with Hulkageddon is the fact that it's announced ahead of time. The bots stock up on ores or ISK to compensate for their loses. And besides, Hulkageddon is also used to teach new players a hard lesson about Eve: you are never safe from outlaws... anywhere. A Botageddon is intended to be a year-round event that mercilessly hunts down and gank a bot.

I for one would love to enroll my own alts into the gang of anti-bots. It would make it more interesting for me.

But of course, we need to create a separate thread for this because the one we are posting on right now is mainly for providing intel on the effects of CCP's banhammer on the bot community.

SlayerOfArgus
Gallente
Hermes Enterprises
Posted - 2011.04.18 23:39:00 - [350]
 

Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Quote:
wasnt that the BS reason Helicity gave for starting Hulkageddon in the first place?


The problem with Hulkageddon is the fact that it's announced ahead of time. The bots stock up on ores or ISK to compensate for their loses. And besides, Hulkageddon is also used to teach new players a hard lesson about Eve: you are never safe from outlaws... anywhere. A Botageddon is intended to be a year-round event that mercilessly hunts down and gank a bot.

I for one would love to enroll my own alts into the gang of anti-bots. It would make it more interesting for me.

But of course, we need to create a separate thread for this because the one we are posting on right now is mainly for providing intel on the effects of CCP's banhammer on the bot community.


Exactly. Hulkageddon doesn't really do much for a fight against botters. We need a coordinated effort that tracks bots, tracks the sale of characters on the character bazaar to see if suspected botters try and sell off their character to someone else.

We would need a private channel that gives intel on the whereabouts of botters and a mailing list of known and suspected botting characters.

Everyone get in your 1400 maelstroms YARRRR!!

Guitonkagya
Minmatar
The Ouroboros Partnership
Posted - 2011.04.18 23:56:00 - [351]
 

Originally by: SlayerOfArgus
snip

Everyone get in your 1400 maelstroms YARRRR!!


Yes! Yes! we definately need an organised group of like minded individuals.


Guitonkagya
Minmatar
The Ouroboros Partnership
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:08:00 - [352]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
snip

I'm impressed with the amount of power the players have here. +1 to the anarachy republic of Eve.


That power exists as an in-game force also. Maybe its time to harness its energy in the form of an organised bot destruction force.

o7

Yuki Kulotsuki
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:16:00 - [353]
 

I just had a brilliant idea! Tracking down bots is a tedious activity. Similarly, organizing the gank can be problematic and requires a lot of time and sec status grinding. So why not automate the process?

theocratis
Posted - 2011.04.19 02:03:00 - [354]
 

Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
I just had a brilliant idea! Tracking down bots is a tedious activity. Similarly, organizing the gank can be problematic and requires a lot of time and sec status grinding. So why not automate the process?


King of subtlety right there. I have no idea what you just did there. for srs.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.04.19 02:08:00 - [355]
 

Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Quote:
wasnt that the BS reason Helicity gave for starting Hulkageddon in the first place?


The problem with Hulkageddon is the fact that it's announced ahead of time.


man but if they could do it in a surprise manner lol

Puppet Mas'ter
Posted - 2011.04.19 02:25:00 - [356]
 

lol worthy melt down (cause theres only 9000 bots in the game)

Linky

Pay attention to the math thats totally NOT made up too

Paul Mustaka Hekard
Posted - 2011.04.19 04:06:00 - [357]
 

Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
lol worthy melt down (cause theres only 9000 bots in the game)

Linky

Pay attention to the math thats totally NOT made up too


Wow. Just wow. Mothermoon has a seriously twisted sense of logical thought progression. I seriously have no idea what that meant.

Not too sure there is a way to establish how many bots are in game; but I'm pretty sure that what is presented in that thread is a poster-child on how not to do it.

Puppet Mas'ter
Posted - 2011.04.19 04:32:00 - [358]
 

Originally by: Paul Mustaka Hekard
Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
lol worthy melt down (cause theres only 9000 bots in the game)

Linky

Pay attention to the math thats totally NOT made up too


Wow. Just wow. Mothermoon has a seriously twisted sense of logical thought progression. I seriously have no idea what that meant.

Not too sure there is a way to establish how many bots are in game; but I'm pretty sure that what is presented in that thread is a poster-child on how not to do it.


Its funny how I lost the argument when she's literally going "um lets say the numbers double" and thinking thats "FACT"

its like Charlie Sheen and "WINNING"

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.04.19 05:19:00 - [359]
 

Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
lol worthy melt down (cause theres OVER 9000 bots in the game)

Linky

Pay attention to the math thats totally NOT made up too



Somebody had to do it. :D

Keep up the good work !

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.04.19 07:33:00 - [360]
 

Edited by: Othran on 19/04/2011 07:34:59
Little update on publicdemands :

The whois is now correctly populated with the name and address of the person who paid the registrar's bills. That person is legally responsible for how the domain is operated in England & Wales. Want to go see who's behind the RoidRipper bots? Go to :

http://www.nominet.org.uk/other/whois/ and put the publicdemands domain in.

Time to see if Revenue & Customs know about Mr Mercer's little sideline - anyone want a bet that someone who lied about the domain registration to conceal his identity actually told R&C that he was trading within the 3 month period specified by law? Wink

tl;dr stage 1 and stage 2 completed (as promised). Stage 3 about to be initiated, hope he saved some pennies for the fines Wink


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