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End User
Posted - 2011.04.07 14:55:00 - [31]
 

I live on the bleeding edge of Geminate so from my personal perspective it takes some imagination to see why we need more conflict drivers, but ok thats fine really. but now our space is suddenly worth very little. we not only lost sanctums and havens but we even lost our frigging hidden hub (that was always fun for the lulz of being swarmed by frigs) even though it's barely 24h from the change we have had many people (myself included) evac all non pvp (and even some pvp!) ships to highsec and I'm hearing about people joining bigger alliances to get access to better space. so that sucks. there is vauge hope that we can get better space but given our size it's slim to none. some people are holding out to run complexes but because of our location most of them escalate into unfriendly space (does not always stop us lol) the current state of affairs (war) makes chasing down escalations ever more difficult. of the last 5 I had 1 did not escalate and 4 went into the o2o "supercap graveyard" pocket. eww. I don't show up to fleets and roams any more because I only ratted the isk I needed and now I am trying to focus on other ways to make isk. none of them involve. 0.0. which makes it kinda hard to fight for. it't not worth hanging out there just for PI. I am listening to my alliance mates on team speak right now and it's making me sad. a bunch of them are talking about LP conversion instead of fighting off Russians.oh god one of them just said he might start mining again. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP. ugh

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.04.10 05:42:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: End User
I live on the bleeding edge of Geminate so from my personal perspective it takes some imagination to see why we need more conflict drivers, but ok thats fine really. but now our space is suddenly worth very little. we not only lost sanctums and havens but we even lost our frigging hidden hub (that was always fun for the lulz of being swarmed by frigs) even though it's barely 24h from the change we have had many people (myself included) evac all non pvp (and even some pvp!) ships to highsec and I'm hearing about people joining bigger alliances to get access to better space. so that sucks. there is vauge hope that we can get better space but given our size it's slim to none. some people are holding out to run complexes but because of our location most of them escalate into unfriendly space (does not always stop us lol) the current state of affairs (war) makes chasing down escalations ever more difficult. of the last 5 I had 1 did not escalate and 4 went into the o2o "supercap graveyard" pocket. eww. I don't show up to fleets and roams any more because I only ratted the isk I needed and now I am trying to focus on other ways to make isk. none of them involve. 0.0. which makes it kinda hard to fight for. it't not worth hanging out there just for PI. I am listening to my alliance mates on team speak right now and it's making me sad. a bunch of them are talking about LP conversion instead of fighting off Russians.oh god one of them just said he might start mining again. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP. ugh


Stop being a *****.

Blake Zacary
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.04.10 11:17:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: End User
I live on the bleeding edge of Geminate so from my personal perspective it takes some imagination to see why we need more conflict drivers, but ok thats fine really. but now our space is suddenly worth very little. we not only lost sanctums and havens but we even lost our frigging hidden hub (that was always fun for the lulz of being swarmed by frigs) even though it's barely 24h from the change we have had many people (myself included) evac all non pvp (and even some pvp!) ships to highsec and I'm hearing about people joining bigger alliances to get access to better space. so that sucks. there is vauge hope that we can get better space but given our size it's slim to none. some people are holding out to run complexes but because of our location most of them escalate into unfriendly space (does not always stop us lol) the current state of affairs (war) makes chasing down escalations ever more difficult. of the last 5 I had 1 did not escalate and 4 went into the o2o "supercap graveyard" pocket. eww. I don't show up to fleets and roams any more because I only ratted the isk I needed and now I am trying to focus on other ways to make isk. none of them involve. 0.0. which makes it kinda hard to fight for. it't not worth hanging out there just for PI. I am listening to my alliance mates on team speak right now and it's making me sad. a bunch of them are talking about LP conversion instead of fighting off Russians.oh god one of them just said he might start mining again. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP. ugh
I lived in Gemi a few years ago,way before any anoms/PI or Tech turning into moon goo gold.We manged to live there easily and make isk no problem.Was some great pvp and fun to be had as well.

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.10 19:44:00 - [34]
 

It's not the problem of making isk.

It's the problem of making less isk than people running Level 4 missions.

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.10 21:24:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: EnderCapitalG
It's not the problem of making isk.

It's the problem of making less isk than people running Level 4 missions.


Clearly for the sake of consistency highsec L4s will be getting removed pretty soon Very Happy

SerratedX
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric
The Polaris Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.11 07:39:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: SerratedX on 11/04/2011 07:41:37
Edited by: SerratedX on 11/04/2011 07:39:47
Originally by: Better Than You
Now that we have a real CSM filled with actual players who care and not a bunch of high sec noobs (exception being Vuk Lau who did the best giving the situation of being surrounded by morons) like CSM 5, **** will actually get done.


PL and Rooks & Kings are 'highsec noobs' ? Also Vuk Lau ragequitting is not ' who did the best giving the situation of being surrounded by morons'

Originally by: Better Than You
It's simply devs favoring anyone that is not in the NC yet again.

What? NC has the largest amount of good moons. Thus they will be the least affected. (on a alliance level)

You sir, are an idiot.

Better Than You
Posted - 2011.04.11 11:41:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: SerratedX
Edited by: SerratedX on 11/04/2011 07:41:37
Edited by: SerratedX on 11/04/2011 07:39:47
Originally by: Better Than You
Now that we have a real CSM filled with actual players who care and not a bunch of high sec noobs (exception being Vuk Lau who did the best giving the situation of being surrounded by morons) like CSM 5, **** will actually get done.


PL and Rooks & Kings are 'highsec noobs' ? Also Vuk Lau ragequitting is not ' who did the best giving the situation of being surrounded by morons'

Originally by: Better Than You
It's simply devs favoring anyone that is not in the NC yet again.

What? NC has the largest amount of good moons. Thus they will be the least affected. (on a alliance level)

You sir, are an idiot.


You sir, are jealous.

Vuk Lau is nothing short of a God damn hero. He had to put up with the idiots in CSM 5 and still managed to bring out some of the best changes to this game. His coalition is built on friendship and it gets results. We are constantly challenged by nap trains who like to exploit and use GMs to try and pull the wool over our eyes. Yet, here we are. Still holding our space and winning.

So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.






**silence**




Damn right you have nothing to say. BFF loser!

SerratedX
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric
The Polaris Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.11 14:25:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Better Than You

You sir, are jealous.
Vuk Lau is nothing short of a God damn hero. He had to put up with the idiots in CSM 5 and still managed to bring out some of the best changes to this game. His coalition is built on friendship and it gets results. We are constantly challenged by nap trains who like to exploit and use GMs to try and pull the wool over our eyes. Yet, here we are. Still holding our space and winning.



HERP DERP, LOUD NOISES!

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.04.11 15:01:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: SerratedX

What? NC has the largest amount of good moons. Thus they will be the least affected. (on a alliance level)


Good thing all that moon goo goes directly into the pockets of people flying rifters, hurricanes and drakes, huh? protip: It doesn't. Don't tie the nerf to individual income to alliance level income, other than taxes they're not related that much. The nerfs on the ground level are already starting to squeeze individual pilots regardless of where they're located in 0.0 or what alliance they're in. Unfortunately we need to gather more data on how this is changing things before the CSM as a collective entity can say 'We don't like this.' or, 'This is fine.'

The opinions you want will come, in time.

Rev Returns
Caldari
Black Sun Ballistics
Shadows Veil
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:45:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: SerratedX

What? NC has the largest amount of good moons. Thus they will be the least affected. (on a alliance level)


Good thing all that moon goo goes directly into the pockets of people flying rifters, hurricanes and drakes, huh? protip: It doesn't. Don't tie the nerf to individual income to alliance level income, other than taxes they're not related that much. The nerfs on the ground level are already starting to squeeze individual pilots regardless of where they're located in 0.0 or what alliance they're in. Unfortunately we need to gather more data on how this is changing things before the CSM as a collective entity can say 'We don't like this.' or, 'This is fine.'

The opinions you want will come, in time.


Damn. I was so used to the TEST forums that I tried to upboat you.

Spazz21
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2011.04.15 13:40:00 - [41]
 

The only conflict I have seen started by this is the Player base towards CCP. I have yet to see any Blue Standings fall apart over this. I have yet to see any conflict started going for a -1.0 system, that wasn't previously in conflict.

I get what the few douche bags are saying, "RAWR RAWR RAWR, Less Carebearing, MOAR PEW PEW". Yes... but where does that money come from? Ding Ding Ding! Havens and Sanctums! Now typically you see most of the times Battle Crusiers on roams. BCs are cheap, so this pretty much indicates typical casual null players don't have all that much isk to play with anyways as you typically see the Hardcore people in Faction BSs. That's fine and all, but wheres the economic drive? All that isk isn't being farmed in the billions per day by people, people are not sitting in null all day just to have a really big wallet. They want money for more pvp ships and PLEXs. Not to sit around all day with their thumbs up their asses, no one does that. They stay in High if they don't want any conflict at all.

Now take American history for example. Land of the Free and Opportunity, and all that. No one came to America to make LESS money, or to have LESS Freedom then they had before. They went to America to have MORE. It's no different with Eve, if people can't make loads of isk to buy ships, they'll stay in High sec and just make a few occasional roams to Low or Null sec or even war dec someone, or gank.

There is only 11% of the population in Null, there is nothing to entice them to the 60-70% of systems in null that will not make them any profit over L4s in High. It will not fund their ships to pvp, there will be no reason for people to want to come to Null sec. And no people = No PvP. If null sec had easy money in short times, you would have more people, more ships(bigger ships at that too, think about L4s, people use Faction ships and deadspace mods to get more isk, same applies ratting too). Which just all means, more people to shoot at and higher chance of conflict since there will be a higher demand for certain areas.

There is absolutely no logic in this because people fight over resources, not money. Belts and Moon Goo all stayed the same, now just have less people to afford the products. Does this anom change reduce the growth of Supercarriers? Nope cause people will still continue to make moon goo, which we all know makes T2 and the T2 Market is still rather popular with the majority of eve players based in High sec. So those alliances get money which pays the miners who mined the ores, the alliances buys the ores/minerals then build the Supercarriers without ever having anything to do with ratting.

Garekell
Posted - 2011.04.16 08:29:00 - [42]
 

They will do nothing as their new goon leader is more interested in posting sarcastic snarky comments and buffing his goon's agenda than anything else. Stealing an election and ruining the progress the CSM made and turning it into a joke seems to appeal to some people.

Originally by: Better Than You
So you all promised to protect the interests of those of us who hack it out in null sec. Now CCP is on a null sec nerfing rampage. What is CSM 6 going to do about it?

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.16 13:28:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Garekell
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lol


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