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Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
Posted - 2011.04.02 12:44:00 - [1]
 

I'm curious if there's a definitive list of Moon locations available (and the resources they contain), specifically Technetium moons. How about just the number of Technetium moons?

The reason I ask is that after watching some of the Fanfest footage I got reminded of Dune and a specific quote "He who controls the spice, controls the universe!". So I went thinking what a similar resource in EVE would be, after some looking around it became apparent that currently Technetium is Eve's 'Spice'. It is completely limited by the amount of moons that contain Technetium and there's no way to produce it in any other way.

I'm curious how much Tech can actually be produced and how much is actually 'consumed' Akita T speculated that there's more consumed then there's produced and that we're currently going very fast through some large stockpiles.

Not looking for a discussion on how bad monopolies are or if CCP should/shouldn't intervene.

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.04.02 13:50:00 - [2]
 

I believe Akita's latest estimates are at 350-410. Most of them concentrated in the north.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.02 14:46:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/04/2011 15:11:02

Actually, more likely, going slowly through large stockpiles, but generally yes, that's the main idea.
The newest revised numbers available to me after taking into account possibilities of fake reports and so on...

Technetium moon count :
* 360 (very pessimistic, minimum almost certainly guaranteed to exist)
* 400 (most likely count)
* 450 (very optimistic, including most bragging rights)

Anything closer or over 500 is almost certainly impossible.

For the vast majority of them, their most likely location is in the northern regions of EVE.
Guristas NPC regions have the highest publically confirmed concentrations.

Venal for instance has exactly 71 almost certainly guaranteed, highest count by far of any region ; next best confirmed is Pure Blind with 36 with probably no extras, then Vale of Silent with 30 but some unconfirmed moons which may have tech, then Deklein with 29 and unlikely to have more, and the lowsec areas of Black Rise have 17, Germinate could be a decent contender but numbers are not certain.
Slightly less guaranteed but most likely still relatively accurate reports put 37 in Branch, 36 in Geminate, 25 in Tenal, 27 in Tribute and a whooping 50 in Vale of the Silent.

Some of the northern-most Serpentis NPC ones have borderline noteworthy numbers (confirmed ones still mostly in the single digits though).
Blood/drone/etc regions have only a couple here and there randomly.

Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:26:00 - [4]
 

~400 is a lot, almost a million units a day (if every moon is exploited). Last month in Jita there were 13 days were more then a million units of Technetium were traded, this number of course says very little, a single unit could be traded a million times. How much of it is used in speculation and how much in actual production...

Wasn't there someone a few years ago that had scanned (or had people scan) all the moons and put for sale access to that list? Is that list still floating around somewhere?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.02 16:33:00 - [5]
 

You forget that technetium can only be reacted with platinum, so it would make sense for SOME people to just react it on the spot.
Also, it is only used in two possible advanced materials, so one would assume that some of it might even be reacted to that stage.
And last but not least, not all production is put up for sale for the general public.

So that can go both ways, estimating actual technetium usage from just the Jita44 market stats has a high potential margin for error both ways.

Sanic Xaqueter
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.03 02:28:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Sanic Xaqueter on 03/04/2011 02:29:46
But dont waste your time, I scanned over 150 of them and everyone had a VERY well defended pos on it that belonged to an alliance.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.03 12:16:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Sanic Xaqueter
But dont waste your time, I scanned over 150 of them and everyone had a VERY well defended pos on it that belonged to an alliance.

Obviously.
But nobody was talking about taking any of them over, just how many there are in total (to guess how fast stockpiles are depleting, or IF they are depleting at all).

Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2011.04.04 05:26:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Soldarius on 04/04/2011 05:30:23
Out of curiosity, are there any tech moons that can't be mined due to system security? I've seen some nice .4 moons in Black Rise.

OP, dotlan is your friend.

Ostracon Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.04.04 12:41:00 - [9]
 

I was under the impression that the system had to be .3 or less in order to moon mine. Is this wrong?

Drackstar
Caldari
VOLO MORIOR
I Got Banned For That
Posted - 2011.04.04 13:29:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Ostracon Amarr
I was under the impression that the system had to be .3 or less in order to moon mine. Is this wrong?


Yes its wrong. It just needs to be 0.4 or below that.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.04 13:49:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 04/04/2011 13:58:56

Originally by: Ostracon Amarr
I was under the impression that the system had to be .3 or less in order to moon mine. Is this wrong?

That's what Soldarius said... "tech moons that can't be mined"...
Originally by: Drackstar
Yes its wrong. It just needs to be 0.4 or below that.

Read the showinfo on "Moon Harvesting Array", dude.
"Restricted to security level LESS THAN 0.4", not "less or equal".
That means 0.3 and below only. You can't make use of one in 0.4...
Unless they changed that recently and didn't put it in patch notes, which I strongly doubt.

Same story with reactor arrays, be it for simple, complex, polymer or biochemical reactions. Those you also need 0.3 or lower.
To be fair though, it might have been an oversight first time they coded it all and they meant to use "<=" instead of "<", but... eh.
To the best of my knowledge, they never admitted to it being an oversight, and nobody ever said anything about changing it.

If you're still not convinced, look at jumpbridges or CSAA (for supercarriers, titans)... they're "restricted to security level less than 0.1". That means 0.0 only.
Or, how about XLSAAs (dreads, carriers), "restricted to security level less than 0.5", or any lowsec.
Should be pretty clear, no ?

LLoyd Thomson
Posted - 2011.04.04 14:20:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: LLoyd Thomson on 04/04/2011 14:21:43
Originally by: Akita T
[snip]
Originally by: Drackstar
Yes its wrong. It just needs to be 0.4 or below that.

Read the showinfo on "Moon Harvesting Array", dude.
"Restricted to security level LESS THAN 0.4", not "less or equal".
That means 0.3 0.39 and below only. You can't make use of one in 0.4...[snip]

0.36 is still under 0.4, but above 0.3 Very Happy

Greg Huff
Posted - 2011.04.04 14:42:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: LLoyd Thomson
Edited by: LLoyd Thomson on 04/04/2011 14:21:43
Originally by: Akita T
[snip]
Originally by: Drackstar
Yes its wrong. It just needs to be 0.4 or below that.

Read the showinfo on "Moon Harvesting Array", dude.
"Restricted to security level LESS THAN 0.4", not "less or equal".
That means 0.3 0.39 and below only. You can't make use of one in 0.4...[snip]

0.36 is still under 0.4, but above 0.3 Very Happy
I believe anchoring uses Official Security, not True Security. (0.36 would be 0.4)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.04 14:52:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: LLoyd Thomson
0.36 is still under 0.4, but above 0.3 Very Happy

It goes by displayed sec level, not truesec.

LLoyd Thomson
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:14:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: LLoyd Thomson
0.36 is still under 0.4, but above 0.3 Very Happy

It goes by displayed sec level, not truesec.
Damn mechanics Sad

Revolution Rising
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.04.04 17:07:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Revolution Rising on 04/04/2011 17:08:10
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons

All the moons by type everywhere. Technetium is all in the north, deklein, black rise etc..


Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.04.04 17:27:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Revolution Rising
Edited by: Revolution Rising on 04/04/2011 17:08:10
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons

All the moons by type everywhere. Technetium is all in the north, deklein, black rise etc..





User reported, incomplete, and has good reason to be innaccurate.


Yeah no.

LHA Tarawa
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:00:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: LLoyd Thomson
0.36 is still under 0.4, but above 0.3 Very Happy

It goes by displayed sec level, not truesec.


I can confirm. We did a POS bash and took a moon harvesting array. Just for the heck of it, I took it to my POS in a .37 system and tried to anchor it just to see. Sure enough, got the message that it could not be anchored because of sec level of the system.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:25:00 - [19]
 

my current moddle assumes 449 moons running at 89.5% of theoretical max. its been within 1.07 isk per for the past 3 months.

That said its based on relitivly incomplete information and is included my assumptions as to how mutch material is used "offmarket" that may be false.


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.05 03:42:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Steve Thomas
my current moddle assumes 449 moons running at 89.5% of theoretical max. its been within 1.07 isk per for the past 3 months.

And you honestly expect to get away with statements like this without being called on them ?
Seriously ?
I don't even begin to tell what exactly is wrong with that statement... the fact that you randomly pick a moon count and a certain percentage of usage out of your ass (why not 404 moons with 99.5% usage or 536 with 75% usage, those being other arbitrary pairings that would yield the same overall flux) without regard to actual situation on the field... or the fact that you claim to have a theoretical model (one which you can run on your machine as opposed to a supercomputer) for predicting prices to an absurd degree of accuracy ? If you can do the latter, fortunetellers, meteorologists and many other people would want to have a word with you.

Cyniac
Gallente
Twilight Star Rangers
Posted - 2011.04.05 10:51:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Steve Thomas
my current moddle assumes 449 moons running at 89.5% of theoretical max. its been within 1.07 isk per for the past 3 months.

That said its based on relitivly incomplete information and is included my assumptions as to how mutch material is used "offmarket" that may be false.


Emphasis added.

I suspect this was a bit of a joke as we all know moddles are just funny six legged furry creatures found on some of the habitable worlds of Raneilles...

Then again it could be a typo, in which case I am greatly amused for the reasons pointed out by Akita. Actually, either way I'm amused. Good going! Very Happy

Cheapo Hobo
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.05 11:24:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Cheapo Hobo on 05/04/2011 11:24:41
Originally by: Akita T
And you honestly expect to get away with statements like this without being called on them ?

Hey sonny boy, I suggest you buy yerself a sense of humour at the local grocery, if you know what I mean.

Quote:
Seriously ?

I'm definitely serious here son. Everyone and their grandmom Esther with the limb leg could spot the joke in his post except you.



Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.05 12:06:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Cheapo Hobo
Everyone and their grandmom Esther with the limb leg could spot the joke in his post except you.

Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, I will usually assume people are being serious.

Vlad L'empaleur
Posted - 2011.04.05 12:19:00 - [24]
 

A lot of tech moons spend their time being RF'ed and traded back and forth.

No mining during that time.

Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.04.05 14:40:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Mithrasith on 05/04/2011 14:40:53
bwhaha

I used to "own" a Tech moon in Black Rise...Its probably a good thing I didnt own it after the change....wtfpwn hotdrop ftw.

Edit: Quotation marks around own

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2011.04.06 05:38:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Cyniac
Then again it could be a typo, in which case I am greatly amused for the reasons pointed out by Akita. Actually, either way I'm amused. Good going! Very Happy


There are several typos in Steve Thomas' post, not just the one you discovered and highligted.

Has it occured to you that he might be dyslexic, or that English might not be his first language?

Fishy Cooter
Posted - 2011.04.06 10:14:00 - [27]
 


Has it occured to you that he might be dyslexic, or that English might not be his first language?




Very Happy

Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
Posted - 2011.04.07 11:58:00 - [28]
 

I'm certainly not going 'capture' one, there are saver ways to make isk, not to mention I'm in no position to take and hold such a POS against aggressors. No, I'm more interested in the theoretical side of the equation, how many, where and why.


 

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