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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:47:00 - [121]
 

What is interesting is that Microsoft said it will support ARM and other 'system on a chip' manufacturers. This is microsoft spread betting. I have not used their mobile OS but It will be intriguing how Microsoft tries to scale to ARM CPU's. I am instinctively pessimistic given Microsoft's past endeavors including embedded Windows NT 4. Everyone has seen an information screen at an airport, train station, on a vending machine or ATM with a BSOD. But have you ever seen in the past an IBM OS2 embedded crash screen?

On my first PC a 486SX 25 with 4 MB I ran MS-DOS 6.22 with Windows 3.1 on top. It did the job. I learned MS-DOS quickly. I also tried Slackware Linux on it. I was amazed how stable Slackware was and how powerful its 32-bit OS was. But I did not persist with Slackware Linux as there were no games for it other than Doom. I can get around in Linux ok but some aspects of Linux is just annoying. It's a shame no company has released a comprehensive GUI for it that takes away Linux->Unix's complexity that Mac OS did but also allow the user to dig deeper if they wanted to.

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2011.04.11 22:38:00 - [122]
 

@Erichk Knaar:

Linux just vastly increased the fragmentation. Everyone and their brother came out with a Linux offering.

Now - if you're a real Unix guy - that's not a problem for you. If you're setting up a server somewhere and want to use Linux for it - you know enough to deal with the apparent incompatibilities and the real ones.

But what I was talking about was a product for the average user - who pretty much knows how to turn the computer on. Those people are going to be completely thrown by all these Linux flavors. The very idea that they can have more than one shell ... is going to stop them cold. There's an Art Site that asks it's users What Is Your Favorite Shell - and 99% of them have no idea what they are being asked. A common reply is - Sea Shell.

If Unix had (which it NEVER did) one common user interface that EVERYONE used - then it might have been competing with Microsoft ... but since you don't even have common interfaces between the shells on any one particular version ... that's a battle Unix never even fought.

Now - again - don't get me wrong - if someone wants to learn Unix and become a Unix Programmer - then it's a great operating system for that purpose. I've used a bunch of different Unix derivatives and was impressed with all the things the OS could do. I personally think Unix is cool. Since I retired though ... I just don't do much any more but play computer games *shrug* so my Solaris and Linux installations have gone away with the hard drive space being used as on line back up space.

And - again - not everyone who uses Unix or a Mac is a snob - but come on - you've got to know just the kind of people I'm talking about - right? People for whom their allegiance to Apple is akin to a religion? If you're a Mac guy - you must know some people like that - don't you?

As to being the family tech guy - yeah - me too. One of my brothers had a Power Book for a long time but after he had kids ... when it was replaced ... it got replaced by a cheaper system. And - truth be told - they didn't have that much trouble with their Windows systems. Eventually they learned to use them and not call me.

As I said before - with the same company producing both the hardware and the operating system - Apples job of making a more stable system is vastly easier than Microsofts. There's essentially only so much that Microsoft can do but if you look at how well Windows does run - across all those different vendors hardware platforms - THAT - is impressive. I can remember dealing with multiple hardware platforms in a CP/M environment and you had to buy a different version of each program you used from the hardware vendor ... *sheesh* ... I don't even like to think about that ... I already mentioned how they couldn't even read each other's floppies ... What a pain in the ass ... Fortunately we had enough 8" disk drives that if we had to get some data from one vendors system to another we could always put it on a 8" SSSD floppy - and then use the 5.25" disks on the other system to copy it to a format that vendor's 5.25" drives could read ... So - I have experienced an atmosphere where what we take for granted today - didn't exist. Even the Early MSDOS Compatibles weren't IBM Compatibles ... but that didn't last long as all those companies that weren't IBM Compatible went out of business.

Now ... for our Unix systems at work ... at least by the time I started working with them - we could just transfer the data over the network - but those earlier 8 bit micros were using serial connections to the main frame and ... that ... well ... let's just say it could have worked had we not had internal policies I won't go into which prevented it from doing so - though the through put time was ...eh ... maybe 1200bps at the time ... on average.

So ... I've probably got an appreciation for a common platform that a lot of people who didn't have to deal with that wouldn't share. And believe me I am happy for them.

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Ren Nekk
Dead Eye Dogs
Posted - 2011.04.12 01:13:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Dray
Too many people with an opinion that don't use Apple products doesn't make for an informed argument.

I'm an MBP user and a Win 7 PC user, they both have their good and bad points, Apple macfools will always go for the windows security problems and winfools will always go for the price/hype and lack of versatility.

The bottom line is you use what you do because it suits your needs and wallet, a lot of Apple users are too easily parted from their hard earned, I won't deny it but that doesn't make them bad products, for every bad user experience there's a good one that goes for both platforms, as for the iphone, I don't have one but my wife does and the interface is as simple as it can be to use and that's part of the popularity, my phone is a blackberry and the user manual is 300+ pages and that's only one language not multi, it's a brilliant phone and about as intuitive as quantum mechanics is to a chimp.

I use the win 7 machine I have for gaming and my MBP for general pc use, was it expensive? yes even though I it bought from a friend it still wasn't cheap, have I had problems with it? not one, hardware or software, OSX is a great system but I think windows 7 is as well, the odd thing is I got into OSX because my wife way back when needed a new laptop and fell in love witht he style of the 2nd gen g3 ibook, the all white ones, she got sucked in by the style thing that apple do so well.

3 months later I'm using the ibook and I've bought her a new laptop running windows because she just couldn't get away with the differences, that was around 10 years ago, the g3 ibook is still going running osx 4.11, the battery isn't going to run for more than an hour but after 10 years that's pretty good going.

That's not to say all apple products will give you the same return, after sales is a joke and legacy support even more so but I can only speak from my own experience.

Ipad is a joke as is the new air book, way to expensive and not as good as you think once the initial wow factor wears off, especially the ipad, it's the ultimate smoke and mirrors item.

I still stand by my MBP though, a great machine with a great OS just dont try gaming on it. :P
Quoting sane post among tons of nonsense. Whenever I read these kind of threads, I think - although I know it must not be the case - that everybody posting must be uber poor, and has saved for years in order to buy their one - and only one! - computer, and is therefore compelled to make it seem like *the best possible computer in the world*.

I freaking love my MBP, but I also have cherished memories of a great many PCs running Windows and other things, and I would simultaneously love to both pick up another mac and also order some more parts to build another Windows rig. Sheesh, why choose? Technology is so cool these days, and like it or not Apple and Android/PCs are both parts - if not the whole parts - of that.

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.04.12 02:33:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Blacksquirrel

How is that any different then having to login as "root" to mess with folders or set all permissions to 777 or 775? Now on windows you have to login as "admin" to change permissions... In fact windows decided to use how unix/linux model of defualt file/os permissions and use the "modular" (base everything around the kernal) design for 7.


There is a difference between having to escalate privileges to modify a file system, and a file system coming up after an upgrade with all the folders and files literally flipped read only, even for the admin. The first is a sane way to run an OS. The second sounds like a bug to me.

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.04.12 02:49:00 - [125]
 

@ Toshiro

Fair enough. I do get where you are coming from, and I'm old enough to have worked on Netware, before WFWG. My first UNIX funnily enough was Xenix, from our friends at MS. Its also worth pointing out I'm a server guy, so the UI thing has never really worried me at all. I'm way more productive on the CLI. I kind of dislike the fanboys too, but you do get them from every stripe. The Linux diehards are just as bad as the Apple zealots who are just as bad as the "PC" bunch. Fanboys are fanboys.

Finally, I'll leave you with an old joke:
Your Mouse has moved.
Windows NT 4 requires a reboot for this change to take effect.
[OK]


Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.04.12 04:21:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Mens Desire
Why is it people buy Apple products?

Because gullible idiots are gullible.

Just sit back and laugh at the morons paying 200% markup for a silly logo on their latest piece of tech

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:55:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
NO ONE calls iOS for better UI that have absolutely no ways to customize the UI in any possible ways over Android where you can change / customize on everything.


I like you, so I'll take my proverbial foot off your head this time and help you to your feet.

You do realize other people are allowed to have an opinion? And that, sometimes, their opinion will be different from yours?

To you, being able to customize a user interface is a critical component and one that defines whether one phone is better than another phone. In addition to this, you also believe the Android UI is better than iOS.

Fine - that is your opinion, smell the roses of making a decision and go skip through the fields of blissful enlightenment.

Don't take a walk in my Zen Garden of AtOneMent and pee in the bushes.

AK

Cornwalace
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:05:00 - [128]
 

My reason was because there are lots of devices/radio's made for it, and I already had invested in some of those products.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.04.12 15:26:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 12/04/2011 15:40:18
Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: NightmareX
NO ONE calls iOS for better UI that have absolutely no ways to customize the UI in any possible ways over Android where you can change / customize on everything.


I like you, so I'll take my proverbial foot off your head this time and help you to your feet.

You do realize other people are allowed to have an opinion? And that, sometimes, their opinion will be different from yours?

To you, being able to customize a user interface is a critical component and one that defines whether one phone is better than another phone. In addition to this, you also believe the Android UI is better than iOS.

Fine - that is your opinion, smell the roses of making a decision and go skip through the fields of blissful enlightenment.

Don't take a walk in my Zen Garden of AtOneMent and pee in the bushes.

AK

Ofc everybody are allowed to have an opinion. I'm not arguing about that. I was pointing out why iOS doesn't really have a better UI than Android even when you might find a rainbow heaven UI to be so good.

Why not just get an Android phone and download an iPhone UI launcher?

It gets the same look as an iPhone then.

Now i have the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 and i can install this ROM that have a very iPhone lookish theme.

And the way that UI is set up beats the crap out the iPhone UI by quite alot.

The possibilites with Android is endless. The possibilities with iPhone is very tiny and it feels like you're sitting in an Apple jail where Steve Jobs controls everything.

EDIT: Here you can see a video of how the TripNMiUI OS is. Now the video is taken from an older version a little over a month ago, so the new version is much better.

EDIT 2: Oh i found the newest version of it here.

Lindsay Logan
Posted - 2011.04.12 16:51:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: NightmareX
NO ONE calls iOS for better UI that have absolutely no ways to customize the UI in any possible ways over Android where you can change / customize on everything.


I like you, so I'll take my proverbial foot off your head this time and help you to your feet.

You do realize other people are allowed to have an opinion? And that, sometimes, their opinion will be different from yours?

To you, being able to customize a user interface is a critical component and one that defines whether one phone is better than another phone. In addition to this, you also believe the Android UI is better than iOS.

Fine - that is your opinion, smell the roses of making a decision and go skip through the fields of blissful enlightenment.

Don't take a walk in my Zen Garden of AtOneMent and pee in the bushes.

AK


As much as you would like it, not everything comes down to subjective taste and opinions. Rolling EyesIt just so happens that iOS is inferior. If you like things that are inferior, fine, but don't come and claim it is till as good because of your own opinion.

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.04.12 19:56:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Lindsay Logan
As much as you would like it, not everything comes down to subjective taste and opinions. Rolling EyesIt just so happens that iOS is inferior. If you like things that are inferior, fine, but don't come and claim it is till as good because of your own opinion.


Not making any claims other than giving my opinion. Sorry you cannot see that.

AK

Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
Posted - 2011.04.12 20:39:00 - [132]
 

Haven't read the previous 5 pages, as they're bound to contain epic fanboi tears, so apologies if this has already been poasted:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.04.14 18:19:00 - [133]
 

Well just to answer the question the OP asked in his subject text.

The reason many are getting sucked into Apple's products is because of this.


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