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Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.04.05 08:11:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 05/04/2011 08:12:20
Originally by: Zedic
...Massive pretentious sperging...


I haven't seen rage like this over something so mundane in quite some time.

Mac, PCs, they are all basically the same under the hood. All of them are made by slaves in Asia.

Its good that you donate your old ipads to school children, I hope they have as much fun with it as the children that assembled it.

http://ihscslnews.org/view_article.php?id=328

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.04.05 09:13:00 - [62]
 

Mac products simply don't interest me, because they don't offer anything I need.

We did buy an iPod touch for our youngest daughter and she loves it. But after using iTunes, I'm not exactly sure where the whole 'better UI' and 'Intuitive' suggestions come from. It was the most god awful piece of software I've ever used.

I do like a game of 'paper toss' though. Laughing


NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.04.05 09:24:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 05/04/2011 09:50:40
Originally by: Mag's
Mac products simply don't interest me, because they don't offer anything I need.

We did buy an iPod touch for our youngest daughter and she loves it. But after using iTunes, I'm not exactly sure where the whole 'better UI' and 'Intuitive' suggestions come from. It was the most god awful piece of software I've ever used.

I do like a game of 'paper toss' though. Laughing



My god, what is going on in this world when i actually agrees with you lol.

Yeah i have iPod Touch, and the device it self are good. But iTunes and all that kind of **** is just pain in the ass. Same with iPhone's. You have to sync to iTunes here and there and everytime you want to do something like copying over music, movies, pictures and apps and so on.

The really funny thing is that i know many Apple fanboys that say yeeeeeeeeeeeee iOS is so much easier to use over Android for example. But i counter attack them back with saying 'oh yeah?, iTunes that the iOS users have to use all the freaking time, THAT is easier than using Android lol?Laughing.

But the fact is that the daily life with Android is way way more easier than iOS devices no matter how easy iOS is to use. iTunes is 50% part of the iOS devices. Without iTunes, you're iPhone's, iPad's and iPod Touch'es are a brick that no one can use for anything usefull.

And like i told earlier, i still have one Apple product that i really like, and it's the 11.6 inch MacBook Air (2010 model). Or there only exist one 11.6 inch MacBook Air anyways.

But i'm not bounded to use anything on the laptop, so i'm free to use whatever i like on it. So it gets something else than iOS devices.

But hey, i'm not getting into this Apple jail by using the MacBook Air laptop, so i'm gladly pays a little extra for a laptop that is out of very good quality and that is very good for what it's supposed to do.

Katie Tanaka
Posted - 2011.04.05 14:17:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
I am also able to spend a lot more on a pc (a mac is still a pc; personal computer), but it does not mean I should. I would be an idiot if I spend a lot more on something that does not perfom better.

I have met people like you. They have clothes that don't fit properly, wear digital watches, shave insufficiently and girls avoid them.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.04.05 14:48:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Katie Tanaka
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
I am also able to spend a lot more on a pc (a mac is still a pc; personal computer), but it does not mean I should. I would be an idiot if I spend a lot more on something that does not perfom better.

I have met people like you. They have clothes that don't fit properly, wear digital watches, shave insufficiently and girls avoid them.



With all the money he saved not buying a mac, he can rent a date. ;)

Mister Rocknrolla
Posted - 2011.04.05 14:58:00 - [66]
 


I've got an iPhone and an iPad. I think I've connected the phone to iTunes twice and the iPad to iTunes once. I've got about 40 apps on my phone and 20 or so on the pad. Have not had a need to sync them to itunes. Calling itunes 50% of the OS shows a luck of understanding. Requiring each device to be synced to an itunes account initially is...frustrating. But you do it once and then forget about it.

iTunes is one of the worst designed apps/webstores out there.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.04.05 16:03:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
I've got about 40 apps on my phone and 20 or so on the pad. Have not had a need to sync them to itunes. Calling itunes 50% of the OS shows a luck of understanding

Well, you didn't get the whole point. The whole point is that when you want to copy over some musics, pictures and movies for example, then you have to sync with iTunes and move over those things via iTunes everytime you want something new of that stuffs into you're iOS device.

And you have to do the same over and over for each time you want something new on you're iOS device.

And then you most likely want to delete something on you're iOS device after a while to. Then you also need to sync with iTunes every damn time you want to delete something like programs, musics and pictures.

Without a computer available most of the time, you can't do anything of the things i was talking about over in this post.

Mister Rocknrolla
Posted - 2011.04.05 19:01:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
I've got about 40 apps on my phone and 20 or so on the pad. Have not had a need to sync them to itunes. Calling itunes 50% of the OS shows a luck of understanding

Well, you didn't get the whole point. The whole point is that when you want to copy over some musics, pictures and movies for example, then you have to sync with iTunes and move over those things via iTunes everytime you want something new of that stuffs into you're iOS device.


I don't listen to music on my phone or pad. If I want to save a copy of a picture, I just email it off the phone. Why would someone watch a movie on a phone or a tablet? Anything I want to do with my phone or my pad I do over my wifi network. No itunes involved.

Originally by: NightmareX
you have to do the same over and over for each time you want something new on you're iOS device.


Again, not correct.
Originally by: NightmareX

And then you most likely want to delete something on you're iOS device after a while to. Then you also need to sync with iTunes every damn time you want to delete something like programs, musics and pictures.


Nope...just hit delete on the phone or pad and it's gone. No sync required. Seriously, do you know anything about these products?

Originally by: NightmareX
Without a computer available most of the time, you can't do anything of the things i was talking about over in this post.


Again, my phone has been connected to my computer twice in 2 years. My iPad once in 6 months (initial setup).

Kurfin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.05 19:16:00 - [69]
 

Wow so much ranting about something that in 3 year will be forgotten, and probably in landfill.

Personally I'd wouldn't touch anything Apple, it's image has 'baggage', but if it floats your boat, hey have fun with it.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.04.05 19:20:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 05/04/2011 19:57:36
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
I've got about 40 apps on my phone and 20 or so on the pad. Have not had a need to sync them to itunes. Calling itunes 50% of the OS shows a luck of understanding

Well, you didn't get the whole point. The whole point is that when you want to copy over some musics, pictures and movies for example, then you have to sync with iTunes and move over those things via iTunes everytime you want something new of that stuffs into you're iOS device.


I don't listen to music on my phone or pad. If I want to save a copy of a picture, I just email it off the phone. Why would someone watch a movie on a phone or a tablet? Anything I want to do with my phone or my pad I do over my wifi network. No itunes involved.

Originally by: NightmareX
you have to do the same over and over for each time you want something new on you're iOS device.


Again, not correct.
Originally by: NightmareX

And then you most likely want to delete something on you're iOS device after a while to. Then you also need to sync with iTunes every damn time you want to delete something like programs, musics and pictures.


Nope...just hit delete on the phone or pad and it's gone. No sync required. Seriously, do you know anything about these products?

Originally by: NightmareX
Without a computer available most of the time, you can't do anything of the things i was talking about over in this post.


Again, my phone has been connected to my computer twice in 2 years. My iPad once in 6 months (initial setup).


1. By doing like you do, then that's a very hard way of getting pictures from you're phone to you're computer.

I watch movies on my Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 mobile phone, but then, it have alot bigger screen than an iPhone 4. And you asks on who watch movies on a tablet?

That's like asking who watch movies on an 11.6 inch MacBook Air?

The size is very little from iPad / iPad 2 to the 11.6 inch MacBook Air. Ofc there are alot of peoples that watch movies on a mobilephone or tablet today, specially when you are out traveling.

But you also have to understand that it's not everyone that can do all of the things you can do over Wi-Fi. Most peoples are forced to use iTunes for quite alot of things then.

2. So tell me, how do you copy over musics and pictures onto you're iOS device?

Don't say you use Spotify or any other types of cloud based services, because that's not moving musics over to you're phone by copying over mp3 files to you're iOS device. And just tell me how you do it even if you aren't listening to music on you're devices. I just want to hear how easy it is to copy over musics and pictures and movies to you're phone without iTunes.

And remember, a jailbreak should not be taken into the picture here.

3. Yes i own an iPod Touch and i had to use iTunes for ages while i used the iPod Touch, so i for sure know how to use the iPod Touch and iTunes. If you look here, you can see how you can delete songs from an iPod if you don't know that. And it's the same thing with iPad's and iPhone's as long they are using the same OS.

And take a look here and here.

But you can delete pictures and apps directly from iPad though.

So it's pretty obvious that you can't delete songs on you're iOS devices without a computer + iTunes. It's all syncing here and syncing there and syncing everywhere in iTunes. That's all i hear mostly.

4. See point 2.

Iva Posavec
Takhar Matari Militia
Posted - 2011.04.06 02:00:00 - [71]
 

I never understand all the hate against apple. I hear people say their products are overpriced, well after having a new mobile phone each year for the last 14 years I have to say that the iPhone 4 feels and looks better than any previous phones I have owned, the quality is superb and it is such a pleasure to use due to it's simplified layout and options. I personally don't mind forking out a extra for that.

My iPad arrived this morning and after much temptation for the iPad 2 I settled with the iPad 1 due to the price difference and the fact that the difference between first and second generation iPads is not a big deal for me. So far I have put a load of music on it and a couple of apps to see what it's like to use and I am absolutely loving it. Watched a couple of TV episodes, listened to some tunes and browsed the net all with ease and pleasure. No Flash, doesn't bother me as I don't really need that feature.

Anyway, I'll be sticking with apple products for along as they are making products that do what I need them to do, are of high quality and have a very easy interface. Not an apple fanboy, just a happy customer.

iTunes is **** though, but workable and I only have to use it about once a month so I don't really mind.

Sturmwolke
Posted - 2011.04.06 02:20:00 - [72]
 

There's simply a market for Apple's concepts, there's demand for it. Pure and simple.
Without demand, there is no market.

The world is large enough for several things to co-exist. The many things of what Apple did (or will do) like brand building for example is just a concept statement to say that "I'm alive and I will fight!".

As with everything in life, there will always be a dominant player - and currently, that player is the PC. It's dominant for several reasons, but the bulk of it can be probably distilled to the price/functionality performance.

Talking about why people buy Apple products (or vice-versa) is like talking about why people prefer chocolate over strawberries.
Ultimately an exercise in futility Laughing .... though it does generate interesting flamewar/drama I must admit. Twisted Evil

P.S Ahh .. this new keyb is a pleasure to type on than that @#%#$^#&! old Logitech.

Tiberius Amzadee
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.06 03:08:00 - [73]
 

I'm mostly into the mobile market so I can only talk about the iphone and ipad. The sim cards they use had me sold. I found out for the first time when I went to fanfest I can just simply buy native sim cards and use the local mobile network as if I never left home then pop in my at&t sims back in when I got back state side. I admit,apple has damned good marketing too.Embarassed

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.04.06 07:00:00 - [74]
 

I use an MBP to make music and DJ. I have way more control over the OS from a optimizing point of view than a windows device for the same purpose. (Almost) Nobody serious uses windows for music production. Its terrible at it, from an OS perspective. Cost doesn't really play into it as my audio interface (Metric Halo) cost a LOT more than the MBP. The MBP is just there to run Logic and run the Metric Halo panel. Apples advertising doesn't even play into it. I know a lot of people who have the same pragmatic approach (from movie guys, to graphic artists, etc) to buying tools for their trade. Macs do kinda just work, and get out of the way, allowing you to be productive.

The pic up the thread about some poor dude *****ing about Apple using premium components in the Mac pro doesn't get it. On the consumer end, yes, they are pretty much like every other company, from a support, etc. point of view, except with turtlenecks and an apparent license to print money.

If you have Pro support though (Logic, Final Cut, big graphics houses), you better believe thats its way above the rest f the industry. You don't have to go to no dumb "genius bar" and talk to no hipster douchebag to get you issues solved.

Also, OSX is Unix with a pretty window manager. I've been using UNIX as my primary OS for more than 20 years now. Ironically enough, I learned UNIX with XENIX. Microsoft's UNIX (way back when).

I still have a PC for gaming, because, why would I bother trying to get the mac to do that.

TraderJade
Caldari
Secure Production Research and Trading
Posted - 2011.04.06 08:35:00 - [75]
 

Why do these threads always seem to be posted by android users?

If you use android then that's fine but seriously why are all you users so friggin bothered by people who use apple stuff?

Just get over it, enjoy whatever you buy just stop whining and posting this ****!

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.04.06 08:39:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 06/04/2011 09:29:21
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
The pic up the thread about some poor dude *****ing about Apple using premium components in the Mac pro doesn't get it. On the consumer end, yes, they are pretty much like every other company, from a support, etc. point of view, except with turtlenecks and an apparent license to print money.

Can you explain this a bit better?

As far as i see, Apple is totally ripping their customers off in a brutal way if you want to buy a Mac Pro with the 2nd best CPU you can use in the configuation for example.

Doesn't help no matter what Apple is and what they do, they shouldn't rip you off by taking 1400 dollars more for something that maybe costs some few houndred dollars more if you had been buying that outside of Apple.

Ofc, other brands usually takes quite alot of money to by doing the same, but they are no way near to be as brutal on ripping off their customers as Apple do there.
Originally by: TraderJade
Why do these threads always seem to be posted by android users?

If you use android then that's fine but seriously why are all you users so friggin bothered by people who use apple stuff?

Just get over it, enjoy whatever you buy just stop whining and posting this ****!

Because we Android users are trying to explain to you iOS users that iOS is years behind in development in comparstion to other mobile OS'es today. Those who already have bought an Android phone and those who are happy with Android will 99.9% for sure never go to any iOS devices if iOS doesn't have ANYTHING intresting in iOS over Android. That's the problem for Apple atm. So if Apple really want to get bigger, they better develop iOS so it actually can compare with Android.

And you guys are saying, yeah, the reason Android is selling so much is because the different companies are making Android phones. But let me ask, why do you think those companies are making Android phones?

Let me explain, yes it's simply because a big majority of the world are asking to get good mobile phones like Android phones. Those companies wouldn't make Android phones like crazy if there haven't been any demand for it.

Even the old Windows Mobile 6.5 can do tons more than any iPhone's can do. Ofc now iOS is much faster / smoother and the multitouch technology used in the screen on the iOS devices are great in comparstion to what you can get on a Symbian and Windows Mobile phone. And ofc, you have access to ALOT more apps on iOS than you have over Symbian and Windows Mobile. So that's basicly all.

Except for that, then iOS just get stomped over in functionality and options that others mobile phones that use Android for example can do.

My Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 can do hell of a lot more than an iPhone 4 can do. I can customize my home launcher in every possible ways and get it exactly like i want the home launcher to be. I can customize the UI and use different themes and change on the icon themes. I can also change the way the whole OS basicly can look. And i'm free to use whatever i would like to use on my Android phone.

That makes an Android phone better over iOS or Symbian. I haven't tried Windows Phone 7 yet, so i can't speak for that yet.

Netheranthem
Eve Engineering Finance
Eve Engineering
Posted - 2011.04.06 09:54:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Davelantor
Its human psychology...say something long enough and it enters brainwashing :P


Hmm, let me test your psychology here...

If I gave you an iPhone free of charge, would you:

1) Destroy it
2) Use it, begrudgingly
3) Use it, because it was free
4) Not use it as a phone, but one of it's other functions instead (games, music, youtube, general applications, handheld video/camera recorder, web/forum, messaging/MSN, and internet tethering device)
5) Use it purely as a phone, and use one of your existing devices for number (4).
6) Use it completely for all of its functions, including telephone/video phone capabilities.
7) Use it for something else not listed - like a paperweight.
8) Give it to someone who means a lot to you.

And no, you cannot sell it, that is against the rules of me buying you one and no you cannot create your own answer.

Pick.


7) HACK IT!

Switched to Android, never looked back.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.06 10:13:00 - [78]
 

I think Futurama's parody of Apple was very fitting.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.04.06 10:58:00 - [79]
 


Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:01:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Xavier Isaacson on 06/04/2011 11:09:19
Originally by: Epegi Givo
Because when you buy a song on iTunes it is only compatible with other Apple products. Because once you get something from Apple you can't escape the loop without breaking a bunch of copyright/piracy laws.

My dad got me the iPhone a while ago, and I have easily put 200$ of apps/music into it.

By the time you realize how much better the Android is, you are already trapped.

They get people into their trap with good marketing.


Wrong!! All Android phones come with software that automagically changes AAC format to a more acceptable format Cool So you are no longer stuck with crappy Apple products. Oh and for people saying the Iphone has an easier to use interface, wtf are you on about? The Android one is just as easy to use and is a lot more pleasing to the eye.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I have had an Iphone 3gs and still have an Ipod touch which actually DOES get used as a paperweight since I now use my Xperia X10 Android phone for my music as well.

Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:13:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Anyone who purchases music these days is fukked.


Anyone that pirates their music is a thief.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:31:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Echo Mae
Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Anyone who purchases music these days is fukked.


Anyone that pirates their music is a thief.


If I like an artist, I'm willing to go out and buy their work. The only time I would ever download is when looking for old stuff that is 20 years out of print and long forgotten (mainly old dance records). Even then, I try to see if the artists have any current projects I can throw some dollars at.

Too many good projects go under because they refuse to sell out and go pop.

Thankfully it seems like most of the people pirating are downloading sell outs on the top 40. Still doesn't make it right though.

If you like something, pay for it you dirty commies.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:28:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Borza Slavak on 06/04/2011 12:27:47
iTunes is absolute bollocks. That's reason enough to stay well clear of Apple products.

Jaik7
Posted - 2011.04.06 13:04:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Mens Desire
Why is it people buy Apple products?

Marketing.


this tbh.

people do stupid stuff because the tv tells them to.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:36:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 06/04/2011 14:36:44
Originally by: Echo Mae
Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Anyone who purchases music these days is fukked.


Anyone that pirates their music is a thief.


And if you pirate music and give it away free to poor people, you would be cyber Robin Hood?

You also need to get it into your head that making a copy is not the same as stealing. It may be illigal some places, but you are not taking away and denying the the owner an item. A more apt description would be breaking the law.

Mister Rocknrolla
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:58:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
1. By doing like you do, then that's a very hard way of getting pictures from you're phone to you're computer.


If email is difficult for you to use, then I understand why you may be challenged by the Apple technology.
Originally by: NightmareX

I watch movies on my Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 mobile phone, but then, it have alot bigger screen than an iPhone 4. And you asks on who watch movies on a tablet?

That's like asking who watch movies on an 11.6 inch MacBook Air?


Seriously...why would you watch ANYTHING on such a small device? The smallest screen I watch TV programming or movies on is 42". Maybe I'm not getting the use out of my ipad that you want me to, but seriously...ever heard of the expression "the right tool for the job?" A phone and/or tablet is not the right tool for this job. You're doing it wrong.
Originally by: NightmareX

The size is very little from iPad / iPad 2 to the 11.6 inch MacBook Air. Ofc there are alot of peoples that watch movies on a mobilephone or tablet today, specially when you are out traveling.

But you also have to understand that it's not everyone that can do all of the things you can do over Wi-Fi. Most peoples are forced to use iTunes for quite alot of things then.


So, I'm wrong because I use wi-fi when others cannot? If you're still using wires to connect your device then seriously...<ring, ring> it's 1998 calling...it wants it's technology back.

Originally by: NightmareX

2. So tell me, how do you copy over musics and pictures onto you're iOS device?

Don't say you use Spotify or any other types of cloud based services, because that's not moving musics over to you're phone by copying over mp3 files to you're iOS device. And just tell me how you do it even if you aren't listening to music on you're devices. I just want to hear how easy it is to copy over musics and pictures and movies to you're phone without iTunes.

And remember, a jailbreak should not be taken into the picture here.


I don't use either device for music, and we've already covered pictures. I have an old ipod that I haven't changed the music on in quite a while, but a lot of that music is just old .mp3s that I copied over. I saw someone with an iphone that they jailbroke, but tbh, it seemed like too much hassle, and I'm satisfied with how it works.
Originally by: NightmareX

3. Yes i own an iPod Touch and i had to use iTunes for ages while i used the iPod Touch, so i for sure know how to use the iPod Touch and iTunes. If you look here, you can see how you can delete songs from an iPod if you don't know that. And it's the same thing with iPad's and iPhone's as long they are using the same OS.

And take a look here and here.

But you can delete pictures and apps directly from iPad though.

So it's pretty obvious that you can't delete songs on you're iOS devices without a computer + iTunes. It's all syncing here and syncing there and syncing everywhere in iTunes. That's all i hear mostly.


Again, that's incorrect. My ipod and iphone are just like a HD when connected to my PC (just connected both to check) and I can add and delete files, be they music or pictures just as easily as deleting files on a HD. But again, that's not something I normally do...took me 30minutes just to find the cable.

You seem stuck on this 'syncing' concept, and I'm trying to point out to you that it is (unfortunately) required to connect your iOS device to itunes once. ever. I agree with the craptasticness of iTunes, and if it's usage was as necessary as you believe, I'd have dumped my iphone a long time ago.

It's great that you're happy with a non-iOS device. Maybe I'm not a 'cutting-edge' user. Fine. But maybe that's who Apple is marketing to.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.04.06 15:45:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
If email is difficult for you to use, then I understand why you may be challenged by the Apple technology.

It's not that using e-mail is difficult, it's that it's way more hassle to do it that way than just plugging the phone to the computer via USB and get the pictures right from the SD card. That takes you some few seconds and it's way more easier to do.
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Seriously...why would you watch ANYTHING on such a small device? The smallest screen I watch TV programming or movies on is 42". Maybe I'm not getting the use out of my ipad that you want me to, but seriously...ever heard of the expression "the right tool for the job?" A phone and/or tablet is not the right tool for this job. You're doing it wrong.

Ok, so you mean it's pretty cool to have a 42 inch screen with you on a plane, train, boat, in a car, or where you are traveling just to watch movies?

Yeah sounds like a good ideaLaughing.

You clearly doesn't get the point on what a handheld device / tablet / ultraportable laptop is meant for.
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

So, I'm wrong because I use wi-fi when others cannot? If you're still using wires to connect your device then seriously...<ring, ring> it's 1998 calling...it wants it's technology back.

Not everyone is experienced enough to even bother setting up a Wi-Fi network. When peoples who buys iPhone's today barely knows what a smartphone can do then you expect them to set up a Wi-Fi network?
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

I don't use either device for music, and we've already covered pictures. I have an old ipod that I haven't changed the music on in quite a while, but a lot of that music is just old .mp3s that I copied over. I saw someone with an iphone that they jailbroke, but tbh, it seemed like too much hassle, and I'm satisfied with how it works.

You don't use the device for musics, but alot of others are doing it, and those have to use iTunes all the time if they want new musics over to the phone.

I always download new musics all the time, so i copy over the new musics to my XPERIA X10 and my MacBook Air all the time then. I did download musics all the time when i used the iPod Touch i have to, and i was syncing with iTunes all day long when i was downloading musics. Pain in the ass i will tell you.
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Again, that's incorrect. My ipod and iphone are just like a HD when connected to my PC (just connected both to check) and I can add and delete files, be they music or pictures just as easily as deleting files on a HD. But again, that's not something I normally do...took me 30minutes just to find the cable.

You seem stuck on this 'syncing' concept, and I'm trying to point out to you that it is (unfortunately) required to connect your iOS device to itunes once. ever. I agree with the craptasticness of iTunes, and if it's usage was as necessary as you believe, I'd have dumped my iphone a long time ago.

No, when you take the iPhone / iPad / iPod Touch out of the box after you bought it and use it, there is nothing called that you can use the iOS device as an external harddrive. You have never had the ability to use you're iOS device as an external harddrive standard from Apple.

Ofc, there exist programs called iPhone Explorer where you can copy over files and stuffs to you're iOS device, but the thing you probably know and don't want to admit is that before you can use a program like that, you need to have iTunes with QuickTime, Bonjour service and some other services installed before you can use iPhone Explorer. So the whole point is wasted then.

And there doesn't exist any programs (on AppStore) that you can use with a non-jailbroken iOS device that lets you get access to the internal memory either.

So when you have to copy over musics to you're iOS device, then you are forced to use iTunes no matter what, or at least have that crap installed if you want to use other programs to copy over files.

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.04.06 17:02:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Erichk Knaar on 06/04/2011 17:06:17
Originally by: NightmareX
Edited by: NightmareX on 06/04/2011 09:29:21
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
The pic up the thread about some poor dude *****ing about Apple using premium components in the Mac pro doesn't get it. On the consumer end, yes, they are pretty much like every other company, from a support, etc. point of view, except with turtlenecks and an apparent license to print money.

Can you explain this a bit better?

As far as i see, Apple is totally ripping their customers off in a brutal way if you want to buy a Mac Pro with the 2nd best CPU you can use in the configuation for example.

Doesn't help no matter what Apple is and what they do, they shouldn't rip you off by taking 1400 dollars more for something that maybe costs some few houndred dollars more if you had been buying that outside of Apple.

Ofc, other brands usually takes quite alot of money to by doing the same, but they are no way near to be as brutal on ripping off their customers as Apple do there.


If you buy a Mac Pro, its assumed you will be placing a seriously expensive suite of software on it to perform some income generating (normally creative, sometimes scientific) job. Its not a machine designed for (or marketed at, really) hobbyists. Its a business asset. Same way a 40k Server is not really aimed at hobbyists. Any intelligent business is writing the Mac off. At that point, cost isn't really an issue. So if you want to buy a Mac Pro, you can, but to my mind, its roughly the same as buying a $40k server to run your clans BC2 server. The extra cost of the CPU/RAM/Disks etc. comes from the overhead of providing long term support. They have to keep a bunch of replacement parts in stock, so that 3 years down the line, if you call them up with a memory problem, they can just replace it. This is very standard for enterprise support, and its why components in enterprise systems are generally priced a little different than what you can buy off Newegg.

The enterprise market works differently to the consumer market. The premium on the parts is there to tender long term support of the asset, which is generally more valuable than the asset itself. If you buy a system for say, making a movie; High end Mac Pro (one of the $10k ones, not $3k lol cheapie) and Final Cut licenses, you get access to Apples Pro support. If your Mac Pro, or the software craps out a week before your deadline, you need to be running again ASAP. Thats the difference. Those guys are sharp. Everyone I know who's had to deal with them has never had anything bad to say about them, because they support business, where downtime is money.

TL;DR

Apples enterprise support is top notch. Enterprises don't care about paying $10k for a workstation that does its job extremely reliably, with top notch support.

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.04.06 17:03:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
My ipod and iphone are just like a HD when connected to my PC (just connected both to check) and I can add and delete files, be they music or pictures just as easily as deleting files on a HD.

They will be just data then. I can't be arsed to look up what nonsense Apple does to store the files with iTunes, it has some special format/partition/db but if you want your music to be playable, you need to use special software, e.g. iTunes.

Using e-mail as a file transfer method is a hack to be avoided.
By the way, wifi is unreliable and insecure. Cables are still the preferred medium.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.04.06 20:59:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Xavier Isaacson
Just to be clear, I have had an Iphone 3gs and still have an Ipod touch which actually DOES get used as a paperweight since I now use my Xperia X10 Android phone for my music as well.

Have you seen the new Xperia Play? It just may be the phone, that moves me to touch screen. Cool Looks like a great piece of kit.


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