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Davelantor
Caldari
The Resistance Movement
Posted - 2011.04.02 18:59:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Davelantor
Its human psychology...say something long enough and it enters brainwashing :P


Hmm, let me test your psychology here...

If I gave you an iPhone free of charge, would you:

1) Destroy it
2) Use it, begrudgingly
3) Use it, because it was free
4) Not use it as a phone, but one of it's other functions instead (games, music, youtube, general applications, handheld video/camera recorder, web/forum, messaging/MSN, and internet tethering device)
5) Use it purely as a phone, and use one of your existing devices for number (4).
6) Use it completely for all of its functions, including telephone/video phone capabilities.
7) Use it for something else not listed - like a paperweight.
8) Give it to someone who means a lot to you.

And no, you cannot sell it, that is against the rules of me buying you one and no you cannot create your own answer.

Pick.


If you bought me an iPhone since i cant sell it ... i would use it as an alarm clock.
because i already have phone that satisfies all my needs. {including alarm clock, but i like to keep my phone near my PC, hooked up to it for server file syncs}

and by that i mean "games, music, youtube, general applications, handheld video/camera recorder, web/forum, messaging/MSN, and internet tethering device"
and remote, Calender, RSS feed reader, weather reader, notepad, etc. etc. ..

Even if the company that made my phone produces a product that out matches my current phone, i will not replace it, unless there are features that can be vitally profitable for me.

Like what apple does ... make a product without a camera ... or one that is not a phone :P .. then make one that has a camera or can be used as a phone ... lol

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.04.02 19:00:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Alpheias
People buy Apple products invent all kinds of moronic reasoning like "the UI is better", "it just works", "for the build quality" or for the completely absurd reason "I am a artist that need it for my art".

But really, who in their right state of mind would pay hundreds of dollars for a "better UI"? Keep in mind the number of iterations on the ip*d and iphones and you realize just how tragic this mentality gets.

For the build quality I have only this to say, Apple suffer hardware failures like everyone else, sometimes more so than others.

And if you meet one of those self-proclaimed artists, just euthanize the little ****er, he or she won't be missed.

So, people who buy Apple products are a sad bunch of clowns with downs and that concludes the today's lesson.


The UI of the iPhone is better - in my humblest of opinions. I fully understand we are talking about something subjective here - do you?

You must realise this is something people like, but not everyone will like, about the iPhone. I personally believe it is better than all of the other phones out there, but only in this regard, because that is all that matters to me. It could be bright pink for all I care, and that might be kinda cool if you like pink.

That doesn't make it true and it doesn't mean we are calling you wrong...unless of course there is some niggling doubt in the back of your mind that we are right and your ego is just defending itself?

Perhaps subconsciously you know this is the case and are simply feeling uncomfortable about these facts and your uneasiness of being perpetually surrounded by this growing concern everywhere you look is starting to take its toll on your mind.

Do you shake your head every-time you see someone on an iPhone?
Do you 'tsk' and 'tut' when those white headphones are visibly plugged into someone's ears nearby?
Do you find yourself spending time and effort online to try and prove yourself 'right'?
Do you find yourself walking past an Apple store and giving those who walk inside sneers and evil-eyes?

People who have a defensive ego, will invent all kinds of moronic reasons in self-justification of the defence mechanism.

It's called being intro-perspective, or 'thinking about how others think about you' or in extreme cases it is called another name:

Paranoia.

AK

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2011.04.02 19:02:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Davelantor
If you bought me an iPhone since i cant sell it ... i would use it as an alarm clock.


So, there is no one in your life that is meaningful enough for you to give them a free iPhone?

yikes.

Davelantor
Caldari
The Resistance Movement
Posted - 2011.04.02 19:05:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Davelantor on 02/04/2011 19:11:00
Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Davelantor
If you bought me an iPhone since i cant sell it ... i would use it as an alarm clock.


So, there is no one in your life that is meaningful enough for you to give them a free iPhone?

yikes.


No, i would rather give them a quality product instead of a junk that will charge for every click.

Edit: Funny how the logic you use can tell so much about your self.

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.04.02 19:14:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Mens Desire
Why is it people buy Apple products?


The user interface is better.

AK



Never liked their GUI, generally I don't like the layouts they use. Yes this is subjective, but hey I am not the one making over reaching claims here.

Pre OSX error messgaes where a pain in the arse. Their design "knowhow"? ever tried to use the original Imac mouse? Christ that thing could give the double jointed RSI. I have never understood how apple are treated any differently from MS, MS bought DOS, apple use BSD as the underpinning of OSX (and they get lauded for it, MS got grief for it) etc...

And the ipad? The "magicial" computer replacement? (you know the one that requires you to have access to a actual computer to register it (and needs re-registion to enter the mobile details it requires for any type of 3g connection if you did not have the sim in it when it was first registered). Iphone? Same needs access to a computer to register it.

Generally I think its marketing that makes them popular with a large section of their userbase.

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.04.02 19:17:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: nahtoh on 02/04/2011 19:17:31
Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Davelantor
If you bought me an iPhone since i cant sell it ... i would use it as an alarm clock.


So, there is no one in your life that is meaningful enough for you to give them a free iPhone?

yikes.


Generally there is nobody I hate that much.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.04.02 22:44:00 - [37]
 

The Ipad is a tablet computer packaged well. But it is not a new idea. Microsoft released Windows XP tablet edition but it was a turkey. The MS Office division refused to support it. Tablet computers have been used in some hospitals for years. Apple does innovations in usability but does not really push new tech.

What is exciting is the Google Chrome C-48 laptop. It is what a laptop should be more like. It has no hard drive just Chrome OS that loads very quickly and uses Google's cloud application suite to provide sufficient basic desktop productivity apps and a web browser. It has 9 hours of battery life. It has not been released to the general public just students for a proof of concept evaluation.

I have wondered why technology company's dont extend the core usability of smart phones. You have a pocket sized device with typically a 500mhz ARM CPU that can do what a ten year old desktop PC can do. With a widget of some sort you could connect it to a flatscreen TV with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse and hey presto you can browse the web, run apps. Then you have a internet, PC appliance by plugging your smartphone into a ACME docking platform.

There are two things I really hope materialize soon into consumer products. One is a plastic sheet that is a display that can be rolled or folded up to fit into the pocket. HP have done some research into this area by 'printing' oleds onto bendy materials. The other is a keyboard membrane that inflates from a flat surface. So from a tablet PC you press on flat screen and on a portion of the screen a tactile keyboard 'inflates'.

UJust Lost TheGAME
Posted - 2011.04.02 23:05:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: UJust Lost TheGAME on 02/04/2011 23:14:48
Originally by: Mens Desire
Why is it people buy Apple products?

They are overpriced in comparison to other things that have better specs and these other things dont all look EXACTLY THE SAME.

Ipad vs Ipad 2...Fair bit of difference in CPU but for the price you can pick up an Ipad now compared to an Ipad 2 the speed wont even matter (who runs a bazzilion apps on something so mobile? idiots ofc), the god damn memory is not even expandable.

So for $399 STARTING price, you get a touchscreen laptop with 1/10th the storage. So we people really buy this for JUST the touchscreen and massive amount of apps?

Iphone lineup...most terribad thing ever.

They first released the original iphone, biggest pile of **** ever(granted it was one of the good smartphones out there but for 500...srsly). Never even had 3g, so they had an excuse to release another iphone (Iphone 3G). The same screen, memory, cpu..you name it. But starting price was the same as the first ever Iphone despite it had a different look and added 3G.


The difference between the 3G and 3GS is incredible....but around 2-3 month after the 3GS was out. Similar spec'd phones with better cameras and battery life where coming out, at a lower price. A great deal of HTC's phones where better at the same cost.

Between 3GS ad Iphone 4, significant difference in hardware specs (but having a signal is good right?) What annoys me about the Iphone 4 is the fact that around 2 month after release apple announced we would have an Iphone 5 by Q3 of 2011.

The prices, small difference in spec and v small release date between each phone aside....they are locked down to high hell and are a right fkin pain in the ass to properly root.

So after all my rambling, my main questions is....are apple products for people that walk into a shop and look around then ask "Well the best thing must be the most expensive, lets just buy that" and why choose them over Android based phones....besides the uber user friendly interface apple seem to like.

tl;dr apple expensive, for rich idiots, Android rules, Iphone 5 is a gay idea etc etc.




I'm not quite sure to be honest. In terms of mobile devices, I'd say because of the solid UI, and good marketing. I bought an ipod touch and I am satisfied with it for the price it can do a lot in one little device. However I wouldnt waste my money on the iphone.

I personally use Adobe products and they run better on mac's. Many media tools and programs are optimized for macs. whether this is a cause or effect of industry standards Im not sure, but since I grew up on the PC, I'm more comfortable with it, and windows OS.

Its the same reason apple users. Ya some people are sheep and trend *****s but some people prefer not having to deal with all the complexities other platforms provide.

Katie Tanaka
Posted - 2011.04.03 05:06:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: nahtoh
Generally there is nobody I hate that much.

These posts are telling me a lot more about the psychology of the Mac haters than the Mac lovers.

"I don't hate you enough to inflict this piece of expensive consumer electronics on you as a gift! I project the hatred of Apple product line so strongly onto those products that I imagine them to be radioactive or give the owner syphilis! I refuse to acknowledge the possibility that there might be differences of opinion on this! It is a matter of right and wrong! Anyone who fails to acknowledge that owning an iPhone will make your **** shrivel up and fall off is an rich, effeminate Apple shill!"

Uh, OK. If I was foaming at the mouth like you are, I'd get myself to a physician.

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.04.03 11:53:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Katie Tanaka
Originally by: nahtoh
Generally there is nobody I hate that much.

These posts are telling me a lot more about the psychology of the Mac haters than the Mac lovers.

"I don't hate you enough to inflict this piece of expensive consumer electronics on you as a gift! I project the hatred of Apple product line so strongly onto those products that I imagine them to be radioactive or give the owner syphilis! I refuse to acknowledge the possibility that there might be differences of opinion on this! It is a matter of right and wrong! Anyone who fails to acknowledge that owning an iPhone will make your **** shrivel up and fall off is an rich, effeminate Apple shill!"
Uh, OK. If I was foaming at the mouth like you are, I'd get myself to a physician.




Hmm? I uesd to just not like the layout and the error messages, then I had to support mac users. Which I have found tend to come in 2 main flavours.

1. Know what they are doing and accpct that any bit of kit will have problems (minority).
2. Buy into the marketing "just works" crap and will not accpect that their frankly niche bit of kit will be the problem.

Apples general behavour is also a factor along with them getting getting away with the **** they pull.

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.04.03 13:07:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: nahtoh
I have never understood how apple are treated any differently from MS, MS bought DOS, apple use BSD as the underpinning of OSX (and they get lauded for it, MS got grief for it) etc...



You didn't just try to compare DOS to UNIX, did you?

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.03 13:57:00 - [42]
 

I don't know anything about the phones or the ipad or other apple products, but ever since I got a macbook pro, my life has been made infinitely simpler as a student. The thing doesn't break. I don't even remember the last time it locked up (if it even has) in the last 2 years that I've had it. Not to mention that the thing has better performance than most of my friends' windows machines (even when I run windows 7 on my mac itself, it just runs more smoothly).

Overall, I love mac computers and laptops. I might own a high-powered windows machine sometime in the future if I have the money to have an additional computer, but as it stands now, if I have a choice, I'd always go with the mac.

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.04.03 19:19:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Originally by: nahtoh
I have never understood how apple are treated any differently from MS, MS bought DOS, apple use BSD as the underpinning of OSX (and they get lauded for it, MS got grief for it) etc...



You didn't just try to compare DOS to UNIX, did you?


As a OS? no. As two built apon broducts that became flagship products for two differing companes? yes.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.04.03 20:12:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 03/04/2011 20:17:06
Well, to begin, i own 2 Apple products. One is an iPod Touch 1st gen and the 2nd is a 2010 model of MacBook Air (11.6 inch one).

First i will say that the iPod Touch was pretty good when it was released. And i still think it's good to be a pure MP3 player.

Yes i owned the iPod Touch when the first iPhone was released. But because i did know iPhone OS in and out when the first iPhone was released, then i was not impressed with the OS it self on the iPhone.

Yes i know iPhone started the whole process of getting better mobile phones out from other brands and they are the one who we can thank for that. But that's it. iPhone made big changes to the smart phone market in 2007. But after that, other brands did come with other smart phones that basicly was much much better. Ofc, there is some things that the other brands couldn't even match though, and it was the screen quality and how smooth and easy it was to use the multitouch screen.

Took a bit of time before other smart phone really became so good that they actually was better than the iPhone. And when they finally did came out with better smart phones, then those other smart phones really did kick iPhone in the balls and pretty much rolled over everything what the iPhone could give you.

And in the beginnin of 2009, then iPhone was so long back in time in developement that i decided already in 2009 that i would never ever get an iPhone if the other brands keep developing much much better phones all the time.

And a new iPhone was released every year, but to the dissapointment that just some few new features here and there was added. Today, iOS use the same ****ty UI as they did in 2007. Except that they can create folder (yeah wow, amazing) in iOS now.

Not only that, but you are bounded to use iTunes every damn time you want to delete a song or a picture from you're iPhone.

I know what i'm talking about because i was bounded to iTunes for 1 and a half year when i used iPod Touch.

Later i bought me a Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 smartphone. It was running the Windows Mobile OS. Even when i did know after some weeks that the mp3 player in the iPod Touch was much better than the mp3 player in Windows Mobile, then i still switched from the iPod Touch and made my X1 as the default mp3 player. Simply because of iTunes. After 1 month with using the X1, it felt like i was being released from a brutal jail after i stopped to use iTunes.

And this was in late 2008. And i haven't used it after that time (yes i still have the iPod Touch).

I used the X1 until i bought the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 as i use today. And after using Android for almost one year, it's clearly that iOS is many years after other brands in developement.

iOS is poor in choices and options. Even my XPERIA X1 have tons more choices and options than iPhone 4 today. And that alone is freaking hilarous.

And the thing that peoples says that the iOS UI is so much better or easier to use over Android is just from the time in 2007 when the first iPhone was released. Today, that statement that iOS is better in that is bull****.

And not to mention that when you see this, then i don't want anything with iOS on any devices.

Ok, enough with the iOS & iPhone. Now we can go over to the other Apple product i have.

Yes, it's the new 2010 model of the 11.6 inch MacBook Air. The reason i bough it is because it damn light and it's thin as hell and it have pretty good performance when you look at the total size of the laptop.

You don't find any other laptops that thin that have the same performance. That's why i bought it. And ofc, because i can use Windows 7 on it. And that have the same quality (aluminium) as the MacBook Air.

If it haven't been possible to use Windows 7 on it, i wouldn't buy it either. So no, i don't use Mac OSX on it at all Wink.

So yeah, i only buy stuffs that are good.

That was my long story for today.

I have 1 characters left in this reply.

knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.03 20:46:00 - [45]
 

Marketing, branding, fashion. Give it a couple of years and another brand will come along. Apple uses common hardware now (over priced too) so nothing differentiates them other than the OS.
It won't be long until they are hit with a anti competition suit or something similar. The similarities with m$ in the late 90's is startling.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.03 21:19:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Mens Desire
Why is it people buy Apple products?


The user interface is better.





Not really that true anymore.

Its all marketing, and Apple is selling you an "image" or "way of life", not a product.

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2011.04.03 21:21:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Scorpyn on 03/04/2011 21:23:22
I'm about to get a new phone soon. This is some of my reasoning :

Iphones are good. Some android phones are good, others are crap.

This means that if I choose an android phone, it'll be more complicated to figure out which one to get.



I may be interested in creating an app for the phone I chose. This means that I'm pretty much forced to buy an android phone, unless I want to pay money for the iphone sdk and developer account (which is apparently necessary to test the results on an actual phone).

Iphone apps are written in Objective C (or C/C++ it seems). Android has chosen Java as the prefered app language, but you can use C/C++ (at least for some parts of the code). Which is better? Well, I honestly don't know, all of them seem to have good and bad points.


If I had to choose right now, I'd get a Samsung Galaxy S. However, that may not be my final decision.


As for ppl who say that others are idiots for choosing an iphone or an android, perhaps you should refer to yourself while saying that. Something that is perfect for you is most likely not perfect for everybody else. (However, I do agree that apple seem to be trying to take over your computer as well if you get an iphone.)

Katie Tanaka
Posted - 2011.04.03 23:31:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
You didn't just try to compare DOS to UNIX, did you?

As a OS? no. As two built apon broducts that became flagship products for two differing companes? yes.

Here's a hint: one is a good technology and building on top of it is a sound technological decision; the other one is MS-DOS.


nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.04.04 02:21:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Katie Tanaka
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
You didn't just try to compare DOS to UNIX, did you?

As a OS? no. As two built apon broducts that became flagship products for two differing companes? yes.

Here's a hint: one is a good technology and building on top of it is a sound technological decision; the other one is MS-DOS.




Heres a bigger hint, both companies bought the rights and then built on them. Thats my point.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.04 02:32:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Mens Desire
Why is it people buy Apple products?


The user interface is better.





Not really that true anymore.

Its all marketing, and Apple is selling you an "image" or "way of life", not a product.


As far as computers go, it still is by far very true. I have Windows 7 and OSX on my laptop. OSX ui > windows 7 ui still. so much easier to use, runs smoother, and streamlined very well. Windows 7 is a big improvement from past windows OS's, but it still doesn't quite measure up to OSX's ui.

Darteis Elosia
Gallente
PHOENIX 2ND C.A.G.
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:26:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Darteis Elosia on 04/04/2011 16:28:43
I aint saying macs are bad. Well i am saying that, for the price they cost the should be a lot better than they are, be able to do stuff that PC's shouldn't.. Heck one can even run MacOSX on a PC. Thats like buttraping Steve Jobs right back. And that disgusting slimeball deserves a good raping. Here's why...

Linkage to pic.

[stewie impersonation]
Yeah... Bet you emo hipster grapichs designers pretending to be musicians are happy now right? Wallets feeling warm? Hmm? Hmmm? Hmm?
[/stewie impersonation]
Feel free to point out how the RAID card is a SAS card, but to what damn point? You can't buy SAS drives on the site anyways, and ECC memory, yup knew that one too, it's more expensive...

Still doesn't justify the mac being up to 4 times more expensive than a PC of similar performance that also outpreformes the crap of a mac in a large scale fleet fight with graphics turned up to max...

iTunes: What an absolute **** program. Foobar2000 beats that program in every aspect. Except loading slow being bloated, iTunes is much better choise than foobar2000 if you want that kind of functionality.

And on the phone subject, my HTC legend, i accidently into a webcam for just 3$ today. And i can also turn it in into a WiFi router to share my 3G internet connection. How is that short of awesome? It does everything an iPhone4 does except for being uneconomical and able do video calling. It is a bit slower, but it cost me less than half of what an iPhone4 runs for. And even still, should i upgrade i'd go for the LG with Tegra2 dual core cpu, i don't see the iPhone4 running the eve mobile we saw on fanfest but that LG handset probably will. Did i mention that the LG costs half of what an iPhoon4 cost? Because in comparison, the iPhone is pretty much a rusty minmatar battleship that's seen better days. Actually i take that back, the Typhoon is far to good to be compared to that piece of ****. Oh, one thing i was a bit impressed by in the iPhone, the frequency response curve of the headphone audio jack is extremely flat. I do have to give them credits for that. But then again i'm probably not like normal people because it don't ****ing matters unless you like me, listen in a pair of studio monitoring headphones... And even then i'm on the bus or by a street so the difference of 1-2 dB's is not going to be noticed due to background noise.


Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:22:00 - [52]
 

Because you can sell people **** sandwiches if your advertising is good enough.

Some of them will even eat it with a smile and come back for more.

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:40:00 - [53]
 

Let's see.

I can afford it. Meaning, I'm able to, and would rather spent a bit more now for a machine that will longer than the flimsy plastic pieces of **** I've had before.

I like the design aesthetics of their products. That appeals to me. I do not care if it doesn't appeal to someone else, nor do I spend time wondering why they don't want what I do. So?

The UI is unmatched in my experience. Period. I have owned and built PC's since 1996. They were fine, and satisfied my occasional need to fiddle and tinker with something to get it working, or keep it working etc. I never had viruses - that line is irrelevant and I don't care that Mac's aren't as safe now as they were before because I do not bareback the internet. That's best saved for other things.

Did I mention their devices are sturdy? I can take my MBP with me through 4 or 5 airports a week and not have to fussy over it like it's a delicate flower. The damned thing is made out of aluminum.

It just works. That ****ing burns doesn't it? I know the anti-Apple crusaders love to be angsty just for angst sake, but the war is over kiddos. Humanity has fallen to the well made products that just ****ing work Overlords. We've welcomed them. Run along to your caves while shaking your fists and plotting your come back. Something like what? Hundreds of millions of people disagree with you, it's really that simple. I guess there will always been rebels without any clues in such innocuous non-debates like this.

I own:

2009 MacBook Pro
An original iPad (which I will donate to a charity that puts them in the classroom)
iPhone 4, and 3
iPod 2nd generation
first iPod that came out in black (forget which generation that was)

I will be purchasing:

iPhone 5 - site unseen.
iPad 2
Mac mini for my parents.
iPad 2 for my step dad for father's day
iPad 2 for my mom for christmas
iMac 27" made to order for myself by the end of the year
and probably a Macbook Air after it's refresh for taking to work. I'll end up using the 2009 MBP as a media server or something.

Dray
Caldari
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:03:00 - [54]
 

Too many people with an opinion that don't use Apple products doesn't make for an informed argument.

I'm an MBP user and a Win 7 PC user, they both have their good and bad points, Apple macfools will always go for the windows security problems and winfools will always go for the price/hype and lack of versatility.

The bottom line is you use what you do because it suits your needs and wallet, a lot of Apple users are too easily parted from their hard earned, I won't deny it but that doesn't make them bad products, for every bad user experience there's a good one that goes for both platforms, as for the iphone, I don't have one but my wife does and the interface is as simple as it can be to use and that's part of the popularity, my phone is a blackberry and the user manual is 300+ pages and that's only one language not multi, it's a brilliant phone and about as intuitive as quantum mechanics is to a chimp.

I use the win 7 machine I have for gaming and my MBP for general pc use, was it expensive? yes even though I it bought from a friend it still wasn't cheap, have I had problems with it? not one, hardware or software, OSX is a great system but I think windows 7 is as well, the odd thing is I got into OSX because my wife way back when needed a new laptop and fell in love witht he style of the 2nd gen g3 ibook, the all white ones, she got sucked in by the style thing that apple do so well.

3 months later I'm using the ibook and I've bought her a new laptop running windows because she just couldn't get away with the differences, that was around 10 years ago, the g3 ibook is still going running osx 4.11, the battery isn't going to run for more than an hour but after 10 years that's pretty good going.

That's not to say all apple products will give you the same return, after sales is a joke and legacy support even more so but I can only speak from my own experience.

Ipad is a joke as is the new air book, way to expensive and not as good as you think once the initial wow factor wears off, especially the ipad, it's the ultimate smoke and mirrors item.

I still stand by my MBP though, a great machine with a great OS just dont try gaming on it. :P

Lev Aeris
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:47:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Lev Aeris on 04/04/2011 19:57:36
I patronized Apple once in my lifetime, and that was enough.

Years ago I spent $400 on a second gen video ipod. I spent another $300-$500 on itunes over the next year. It seemed like a decent product.

Then one day, itunes decided to sync away all my purchases. Both on my PC and on my ipod. I had not taken the time to back up all of it onto a dvd or something. Thats when I found out that on itunes I had not actually purchased the rights to own the song, just the right to download it ONCE from thier server, after that I'm on my own.

So right there, -$500 due to ****ty software.

I continued using it, minus all the tv shows and crap I had bought, for another few months. Then 2 weeks after the manufacturer warranty expires, the battery died. That's when I realized that Ipods don't have a ****ing battery bay door. Apparently apple thinks their consumers are too ****ing stupid to properly dispose of batteries. I would have to send it to apple and pay $80 to get it replaced by a highly skilled ipod technician.

That was the end of my apple consumer experience.

I have since replaced my portable music needs with a Sony Walkman. 8GB for half the cost of a 4gb ipod shuffle, complete with a video screen and surprisingly good software.

I can actually drag and drop AVIs into the walkman and it will convert it to the right size (albeit slowly, but hey it works).

As far as their computers, I have used both and I prefer the razor sharp edge environment of a PC. It might not 'just work' for most people, but it just works for me. I find the mac to be a crippling padded cell experience, which is likely what a tiger would feel when going from the jungles of India into a ****ty enclosure at the Detroit zoo.


Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.04.05 00:32:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Alpheias
People buy Apple products invent all kinds of moronic reasoning like "the UI is better", "it just works", "for the build quality" or for the completely absurd reason "I am a artist that need it for my art".


Those silly artists and their industry standards. It's sweet you don't care for little things like what is and is not approved or considered standard equipment for a given industry, but well - nobody gives a **** what you think.

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But really, who in their right state of mind would pay hundreds of dollars for a "better UI"? Keep in mind the number of iterations on the ip*d and iphones and you realize just how tragic this mentality gets.


I would. Because my time is better spent doing the **** I need to do, and not fiddling and ****ing around with the soul sucking bull**** that is windows. I like actually owning a laptop for longer than 4 months without it's screen failing, or some other random bull****ery. The actual tragic mentality is this persistent bull**** theory that all Apple customers feel compelled to buy new devices each year. Really? I'm sure there are people who can afford such things and to them, it's not an issue. It is to you, and to most of us. So? Nobody actually does that here in Borg Land. We're also smart enough to know that the UI that. Just ****ing works may be on the newer devices, but it doesn't magically disappear from our older devices. Because, who changes a UI experience every hardware update? It's a ****ing hardware update. Now close your mouth, the drool is soiling the carpet.

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For the build quality I have only this to say, Apple suffer hardware failures like everyone else, sometimes more so than others.


Yes, given that their hardware is made by humans, designed by humans and used by humans - at some point, it will fail. Heh, I see whatever bits of stats you can dig up about apple hardware failure and raise you the horse**** on a cracker that is known as PC equipment and it's -LOL- "support". Which PC company would do this for a customer, even if they did offer the level of quality in support and customer serve that AppleCare does - which they don't

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And if you meet one of those self-proclaimed artists, just euthanize the little ****er, he or she won't be missed.


Yea, that's deep. A nerd on the internet suggests euthanizing people who choose to use software and hardware the nerd doesn't approve of. Look young man - the rage against the iMachine is cool to watch, but you need to manage your raging hormone levels in a more constructive way. Try beating off, or going for a walk. You'll never get laid if you don't first; move out of the basement (if not literally, then figuratively) and well, stop using PC's. Chic's dig stuff that doesn't frustrate the **** out of them, oh wait - so does the rest of humanity.


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So, people who buy Apple products are a sad bunch of clowns with downs and that concludes the today's lesson.


Disclaimer:

Lessons given by basement dwelling wrist flappers should be taken with wee fistfuls of salt, preferably while acknowledging the probability that said wrist flapper hails from an alternate universe to our own in which Apple doesn't have the success and the biddy biddy beeelions of dollars to show for it. And / or in which the tears of random nerds on the internet actually matter. Said nerds in such alternate universes are allowed to disregard stuff like facts, the success of a brand, not to mention the fact that his ****ing android plastic piece of **** clone phone came with a touch interface and an app store because well, thats what you do when you can't out-innovate Apple - you copy them.

No refunds will be issued should you suffer permanent brain damage from listening to gob****es who are incapable or unconcerned with, or perhaps somehow unaware of facts.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.05 00:46:00 - [57]
 

confirming mac haters are always gonna ***** about people that have macs, and mac lovers are going to keep on loving macs because they've had great experiences with them, and aren't going to listen to the mac haters.

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.04.05 00:57:00 - [58]
 

And guys, it's time to let go of this, "hurr hurr! it's too expensive! hurr hurr". No, it's not. Make it out of college or whatever, and get a jobby job and you'll be able to afford it. That or get over the idea that for some (millions and millions) of people - time is money, and convenience is money, and by god - if I can pay what I consider to be not that much more for what has been in my experience a superior far less annoying or ****ed up product, well then: I'll pay a little bit more.

"Too expensive" is subjective and you know it. It's intellectually dishonest to say that unless we're at a lunch period round table, where we're all kvetching over the price of Apple products while enjoying life at university on mom and dad's dime. Goddamn hipsters. Get the hell off my lawn. >:|

And really, if someone is on an income that simply doesn't not allow for such "luxury" items then it's the responsibility of that person to live within their means. You don't go buying expensive **** and then ***** about it's price. You don't ***** about the price of something you weren't going to, or couldn't buy anyway. In other news kids - water is wet.

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.04.05 01:13:00 - [59]
 

Dude not everybody likes apples UI, I know I don't and I never have.

TBH as the years went on I tend to dislike it more and more. Infact I have yet to come across a UI feaure I hate more than OSX dock (even more that the stupid teletubby layout of XP on default and trust me I really hated that as well).

At least apple have mostly moved away from the everything built into the display unit kick.

As I said in another post I have generally ran into 2 main types of mac users, the ones that relilsie its just a computer and not everybody like the damm things and yes they will sometimes like any other bit of kit just sometimes stop working right.

And the mouth breathing fasion victims that do buy into the marketing hype and don't understand why their shiny computer ***** extention is at fault, or as what heppened last year to some 3g mobile dongles a apple update broke the installer.

The type 1 people were mostly like "aw well any update on when the new installer is going to be brought out?" and the type 2 were almost totaly total ****s about it. Christ they even ****ers about having to download the new installer If they got old unupdated stock from stores.

Lets not even go to the "your holding it wrong" episode with the iphone 4.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.05 07:25:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Zedic
Let's see.

I can afford it. Meaning, I'm able to, and would rather spent a bit more now for a machine that will longer than the flimsy plastic pieces of **** I've had before.




Uh.... Apple products is not more robust. I had my laptop for years, and i take it with me a lot when out travelling. Its called user care. I only recently got a new one becuse it was outdated.

I am also able to spend a lot more on a pc (a mac is still a pc; personal computer), but it does not mean I should. I would be an idiot if I spend a lot more on something that does not perfom better.

As for design, it is overated in a pc. Its a computer, you stare at the screen. And if you really have to get into it (subjective), I perfer my black laptop over the milky white apple design. Tho to be fair apple did start the whole streamline design of laptops. As for UI, no, not really unmatched at all, it was ok when it came out years ago. Now is just an avarage UI, far better ones are around in some nice linux distros for example.


As for your list of iProducts. I bet Steve Jobs is laughing his way to the bank becuse of guys like you. You really need every new phone? And every new ipod? ;)


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