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Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.04.03 13:46:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Terminal Entry
Didn't see any Dev posts in that thread confirming they had done a stealth nerf/buff.
No, but the fact remains: tests have shown that high sensor strength already works just fine against NPC jamming — in fact, it works exactly as you'd expect if they were using the same jamming rules as players.
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But we do have the patch notes saying "...you can now fit your ship to counteract them" which seems to suggest that you couldn't before.

When it comes to things like this I tend to believe CCP (naively?) as opposed to a non-CCP person, who looks more and more like a troll.
As did everyone else. Long before that thread came out, there was plenty anecdotal evidence that jamming didn't work the way CCP said it did, but it was almost always squashed by the very same quote you provided.

However, with that bit of thorough testing that sturmwolke did, it's now pretty much proven that CCP are wrong. If it was just a flat chance, the same NPC ships would not get any more or any less failed jam attempts if you change your ship's sensor strength, but they did. If it was a flat chance, the same NPCs would have the same success ratio regardless of what race ship you were in, that didn't happen.

Just the fact that there was any variance at all show that CCP were wrong — the fact that the variance adhered exactly to the success rate you'd expect from standard jamming makes them wrong:er and the fact that it was possible to infer the different jamming strengths against different sensor types makes them wrong:iest… Maybe it did work like they said back before Trinity, but it no longer does, and they would have to provide a pretty excellent explanation for the why the tests came out the way they did if they want to keep claiming that.

Until they do, the only way for the patch notes to be consistent with empirically proven mechanics is if they're simply finally and officially confirming mechanics that have actually worked that way for a very long time…

Kuni Wah
Posted - 2011.04.03 15:25:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Terminal Entry
stuff


Thanks.

Yea I know there could be issues, my main point is that originally S2 was set to be obsolete from Summer 2011 (as originally announced by CCP). The budgeting for my new rig took this original announcement onboard and everything was okay until the latest announcement about the patch this tuesday.

Im honestly not bothered if I cant play the game, as long as I can at least log in to update my skill queue. If not, then CCP have just done their usual shafting of a certain % of the Eve community by completely ignoring what they previously announced. April is not Summer imo.

PLEX Purchaser
Posted - 2011.04.03 19:43:00 - [153]
 

Meh.. Played a lot of other MMO's, Final Fantasy XI , FF XIV , Wow , and a fair few others..

I paid a hefty amount for other mmo's upwards to 80$ ~ 100$ USD for some..
Of the majority of MMOs I played, we got new major content patches about once every 2 years and had to pay for it, another 45$ for each expansion.. same with most Main stream MMO's .. Content comes slow and they almost always charge more money for it right along with having to continue paying your subscriptions.. minor bug fixes
would come from time to time and other then that you don't get much else other then your next bill...

Since starting Eve online.. I have enjoy numerous content updates and bug fixes, and I have not paid nothing more then my subs, "which is surprising."
I can also read fairly well so I have also noticed the Dev Blogs explaining Lag, why it is so, and what they have been doing about it.. along with what they intend to do about it.. So I understand with no need to complain that they are doing everything they can and that they are also still giving us Bug fix's and new content at the same time..

Oh yeah and the 0.0 to true sec changes for plexs and anomalies etc.. are you guys not living in 0.0 for PvP and conquest etc.. from my point of view these changes give reason to fight and conquer space..
if you really have an issue with this just go back to high sec where you belong lol..
cause clearly if you fear for your ability to live in 0.0 with true sec, then you must not have much regard for your alliance mates as to there ability to conquer and hold space of higher value :(


I am a more then satisfied consumer.. my money seems to go a lot farther in Eve online I have multiple accounts and although there are issues in the game and everything isn't 100% perfect the game has more to offer then most other games and is still giving me free content.. even if some of it isn't exactly what I wanted personally, I'm not 12 years old and gonna act like I can speak for the entire Eve community by saying something like "Once again CCP fails to listen to there customers" or "I pay my subs so we own this game, do as I say, arrr"


Instead will say that, I'm sorry but Just because you don't like it doesn't mean the entire community doesn't like it or parts of it.. CCP probably doesn't give a **** if you personally don't like every feature they add in there game (and I don't blame them) and here is a interesting fact.. I watched Fanfest, and they said it had been 18 months since last Fanfest and there user base has increased 20% in that time..
so would have to say that not only is the majority of players fairly happy with the game but they also managed to have a growth of 20% of new players/accounts, and are growing steady still.. so sounds like CCP is doing a pretty damn impressively good job to me.

not only that Plex system is awesome, someone else complain that CCP would lose money because they would not be able to maintain there subs with the true sec changes in 0.0.. come on really? lol
said something like I do sanctums 5 or 6 days a month to pay for 6 accounts and pvp the rest of the month.. so if they remove them there losing 4 of your paid subs.. OMG you might have to do a couple more days of PvE to pay for you subs .. LoL until your **** alliance pulls together to conquer some space that has the plexs you desire!!

maybe it's just me, but I kinda feel like, if your maintaining 6 accounts you gotta serious addiction and I doubt that CCP gonna have to worry about losing money from you..

But hey, Is just my 2 ISK worth of Input..




oh wait, CCP you suck, this patch is total ****.. wtf doesn't the new forums have a censor for 12 year old's *****ing about not giving the community what they want, when they obviously have no ****ing clue what the community wants.
I demand the censorship feature for morons on the new forums! I paid my subs so I Paid for this game!!
Do as I say, or ima cancel 4 of my alts!

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2011.04.04 06:45:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: XFluke

Sad, really sad... i dont want a great looking game.. i want a fun game. LAG is so bad in major fleet battles that you cant even load grid... What about that??? ALL you care is nerfing the good and fun things on eve and not fixing the REAL issues.




So you are just cruising through not looking at the stuff they are doing to fix lag and only looking at news about incarna. Great. Good for you. You do understand that just because it's a incursion patch doesn't mean it's automatically only eyecandy? Perhaps you should actually follow the dev blogs more...in general.

Gibbo3771
Posted - 2011.04.04 07:52:00 - [155]
 

Your fixing things that have been broken for 5 years...wtf is the point, we have come to accept the fact the game is like that.

Fix meaningful stuff like the array of useless t3 subs and the crap POS management system you have had for far too fkin long

Steal Spirit
Posted - 2011.04.04 08:00:00 - [156]
 

Seems the issues with missing icons (ships, drones and their corresponding bpos) isn't fixed Mad

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1457432


Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.04 08:27:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Drunk ******
The simplest thing this patch is gonna do is reduce ccp's income, so i dont think the anomolie changes will last long...
You've got an appropriate name, I must say.

My suggestion is you grab your bottle of Bell's and leave the game when you're so unhappy.

CCP Bella Bee

Posted - 2011.04.04 09:03:00 - [158]
 

To clarify, since a couple of people were asking. With this patch everyone will get a chance to re-sculpt their character. When you log in and select your character you will be asked if you want to enter character creator, and there you will be able to re-sculpt. You can also skip this step, for the time being or you can select permanently to not be asked again. Whatever you do, you will after this patch always have access to the re-customization service in stations, where you can change your clothes, hair and makeup, you can get piercings, tattoos, and even get scarified.

Pookie McPook
Posted - 2011.04.04 09:10:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Drunk ******
Edited by: Drunk ****** on 01/04/2011 18:42:35
The simplest thing this patch is gonna do is reduce ccp's income, so i dont think the anomolie changes will last long...
...
...
... whine whine whine
...
...
May not seem like much, but 400,000 subs, say 50% of them will be affected by this change, and 50% of them pay by ingame, going by my loss of income of 4 out of 6. Means you lose 66,000 accounts worth of isk per month. 66,000 x $15 = $990,000 lost income for ccp.
wonder if your financial adviser pointed this out to you...


I would say you're out by at least an order of magnitude. Maybe 2% (tops) affected....of which maybe 20% pay by plex....then your arbitrary 4 of 6....I'd say 1000 accounts....maybe.....and that's pessimistic. Get a job and pay for the accounts if you can't make money in game imo.

Achrius
Caldari
Galactic Federation of Lolis
Posted - 2011.04.04 11:05:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: PLEX Purchaser
Meh.. Played a lot of other MMO's, Final Fantasy XI , FF XIV , Wow , and a fair few others..

I paid a hefty amount for other mmo's upwards to 80$ ~ 100$ USD for some..
Of the majority of MMOs I played, we got new major content patches about once every 2 years and had to pay for it, another 45$ for each expansion.. same with most Main stream MMO's .. Content comes slow and they almost always charge more money for it right along with having to continue paying your subscriptions.. minor bug fixes
would come from time to time and other then that you don't get much else other then your next bill...

Since starting Eve online.. I have enjoy numerous content updates and bug fixes, and I have not paid nothing more then my subs, "which is surprising."
I can also read fairly well so I have also noticed the Dev Blogs explaining Lag, why it is so, and what they have been doing about it.. along with what they intend to do about it.. So I understand with no need to complain that they are doing everything they can and that they are also still giving us Bug fix's and new content at the same time..

Oh yeah and the 0.0 to true sec changes for plexs and anomalies etc.. are you guys not living in 0.0 for PvP and conquest etc.. from my point of view these changes give reason to fight and conquer space..
if you really have an issue with this just go back to high sec where you belong lol..
cause clearly if you fear for your ability to live in 0.0 with true sec, then you must not have much regard for your alliance mates as to there ability to conquer and hold space of higher value :(


I am a more then satisfied consumer.. my money seems to go a lot farther in Eve online I have multiple accounts and although there are issues in the game and everything isn't 100% perfect the game has more to offer then most other games and is still giving me free content.. even if some of it isn't exactly what I wanted personally, I'm not 12 years old and gonna act like I can speak for the entire Eve community by saying something like "Once again CCP fails to listen to there customers" or "I pay my subs so we own this game, do as I say, arrr"


Instead will say that, I'm sorry but Just because you don't like it doesn't mean the entire community doesn't like it or parts of it.. CCP probably doesn't give a **** if you personally don't like every feature they add in there game (and I don't blame them) and here is a interesting fact.. I watched Fanfest, and they said it had been 18 months since last Fanfest and there user base has increased 20% in that time..
so would have to say that not only is the majority of players fairly happy with the game but they also managed to have a growth of 20% of new players/accounts, and are growing steady still.. so sounds like CCP is doing a pretty damn impressively good job to me.

not only that Plex system is awesome, someone else complain that CCP would lose money because they would not be able to maintain there subs with the true sec changes in 0.0.. come on really? lol
said something like I do sanctums 5 or 6 days a month to pay for 6 accounts and pvp the rest of the month.. so if they remove them there losing 4 of your paid subs.. OMG you might have to do a couple more days of PvE to pay for you subs .. LoL until your **** alliance pulls together to conquer some space that has the plexs you desire!!

maybe it's just me, but I kinda feel like, if your maintaining 6 accounts you gotta serious addiction and I doubt that CCP gonna have to worry about losing money from you..

But hey, Is just my 2 ISK worth of Input..


Exactly what I've been thinking as well.

While CCP isn't perfect as certain people are complaining about, CCP is by far, the best in the business.

wavseeker
Posted - 2011.04.04 11:11:00 - [161]
 

when is the server back online? im in belgium its 13:11 now

Capt Terror
Posted - 2011.04.04 11:45:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Sarmatiko
Originally by: Jhekarn Hasamura
i play EvE with 2 accounts and earn the most of my isk for ships and pvp with doing sanctums and heavens - this new change will completly decrase my ways to earn isk in 0.0 to zero.

Nullsec carebears must suffer. If you want to farm from now you can pay your monthly rental fee to the CEO tzar in other region Smile
Its good to hear that CCP at last done something with all this countless bots carebears that logoff in seconds after you appear in local \o/


You are forgetting that the pvpers let me are also crying now we have no way to keep fighting and loseing ships meaning that people like you will start to get less and less fights to the point that their is going to be more of a grind to make the isk to buy the T2 ships or the T1 BSes. Also this is comeing from someone who has always pay for the monthly with RL money in not In-game isk. But from the looks of it I think more ppls are either going to leave 0.0 cause regions let Pure Blind have no good systems at all and they forgot to nerf High Sec or Low Sec so now you got L4 mission runners makeing more money than somebody in the region likee pure blind. So why will players from high sec or low sec leave to make the same amount of isk or less at greater risk vs. rewards. I don't know but I think that alot of 0.0 alliances will leave 0.0 cause the cost to fuel to upgraded systems are not worth it, oh well CCP I hope this is what yall wanted.

Cyno Alfacinha
Posted - 2011.04.04 13:00:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: XFluke
Once more, CCP doesn't listen to its community... WE ARE WHO PAID FOR THIS GAME...



Sad, really sad... i dont want a great looking game.. i want a fun game. LAG is so bad in major fleet battles that you cant even load grid... What about that??? ALL you care is nerfing the good and fun things on eve and not fixing the REAL issues.



so very true :(

Jairen Armana
Posted - 2011.04.04 13:17:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Cyno Alfacinha
Originally by: XFluke
Once more, CCP doesn't listen to its community... WE ARE WHO PAID FOR THIS GAME...



Sad, really sad... i dont want a great looking game.. i want a fun game. LAG is so bad in major fleet battles that you cant even load grid... What about that??? ALL you care is nerfing the good and fun things on eve and not fixing the REAL issues.



so very true :(


ack :(

Quote:
Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space


Just a few that allready looking forward to this ... all other don't won't do that.

Quote:
Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec


just in your dreams in the current universe state ugh

Quote:
Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)


uhmmmm .... NO

Atridies
Posted - 2011.04.04 14:42:00 - [165]
 

Edited by: Atridies on 04/04/2011 14:43:00
Robbed of 1.5b by a bug last week, takes CCP 1 week to respond ((Telling me to **** off) (Convineintly 1 day after my subscription renews, when I talk of quitting)) Promptly followed by extended downtime (and probably many more) on my day off, to introduce a patch nobody really wants. Sounds to me like it's cancellation time.

+- 7 years of loyal membership on one account or another, just to be ignored.

Nice one CCP!

Editted with CCP's response to my petition.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:28:00 - [166]
 

I guess this means the astro-glide is on back order.

Spacewarp
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:32:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: Spacewarp on 04/04/2011 15:33:06
Damp...:)

Why are so many complaining?

The country i live in take half of my income. And when I go to the shop with the other half....they take another 20% in taxes of my money. And even after paying so much I still cant go as fast on the highway as I want and they (the government) still dont do what i want them to do.

So then, complaning that CCP dont do your bidding for a lousy €12/month? :)


I am not yet been in 1000+ player wars so i dont have the lag issue and like new stuff more then that money is spent on lag fighting. For other people its the other way round and there will be 1000's of oppinions what to do first.

But I like the game, its just, like real life, never perfect for all. And maybe it will not even ever be perfect for one. But its the package you get and its the package i like. And luckily its so for more people or I would be divorced by my wife by now i guess :p

I played other mmo's. Never did i see one that updates his players so often and complete. I really like the way they tackling now the 1000 (or something like that) little annoying things. And still developed new stuff.

So ccp, dont cry...someone(s) still love you :) (and 360k players with me)

regards



vampa spatiala
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:33:00 - [168]
 

Deployment of our next patch, EVE Online: Incursion 1.4, has been postponed until Wednesday, April 6. Tranquility will be taken offline at 09:00 UTC and is expected to return to service at 15:00 UTC.

We would like to thank you for your patience and understanding. Patch notes are available here and a discussion thread can be found here.

patience ????!!!! understanding ????!!!!!!

may be in April 6 2050

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing


henchana
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:46:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: henchana on 04/04/2011 15:47:35
Originally by: XFluke
Once more, CCP doesn't listen to its community... WE ARE WHO PAID FOR THIS GAME...



Sad, really sad... i dont want a great looking game.. i want a fun game. LAG is so bad in major fleet battles that you cant even load grid... What about that??? ALL you care is nerfing the good and fun things on eve and not fixing the REAL issues.




Didn't you read about the Hamsters in the patch note! That will impact LEG-work (ever seen a hamster in a thread mill?)

Shandir
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:59:00 - [170]
 

Looking forward to the little things in this patch.
Just putting one more positive voice out there.

IreSilver
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:59:00 - [171]
 

This reminds me a lot of my days playing WoW, and patch notes and subsequent threads.
Most people whine and moan that it's the end of the world, some support the changes. Some don't care.

In the end, the actual impact is much smaller than the doomsayers made it out to be. There was no mass exodus of subscribers.

Chill people. It's just a game; if these patch notes are seriously making you want to quit, then you're taking it way too seriously. And you probably shouldn't be playing in the first place.

On the other hand it is really nice to see nullsec players be the ones QQ'ing for once. It's a nice change of pace.

John Burdell
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:23:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: John Burdell on 04/04/2011 16:24:20
It's a shame that the anom changes are still in the patch, with a 77+ page thread of people expressing a mostly negative response, at the very least I would have thought CCP would step back, delay that part and see why. Its not so much the losses of income that has only been around for a while that is bad about this change, its that (from my understanding) they didn't go to the CSM at all about it and had to know that the majority of 0.0 would not like this, but decided to do it anyway, players be damned. Also, it was with dominion that CCP gave us the opportunity to anchor ihubs, install upgrades and generally make our space worth living in, this patch removes that as far as the majority of people in 0.0 perceive it (the ones that rat for income).
CCP says this will allow smaller alliances to take space now, which is nonsense. With dominion's system upgrades, 0.0 systems with the better anomalies could support a much higher player density living in them, which means alliances did not need to have the vast territory that was mostly empty. Now we are back to needing that, room to have sanctums and havens (the only anoms really worth bothering with) randomly spawn as well as the complex's (which US TZ gets screwed out of anyhow).
Get ready for the return of massive drake blobs and the server crying over missiles, thats what pilot will be able to afford to field in the fleets.
Lastly, I hope CCP intends to offer refunds for the anom upgrades for systems that are now worthless. RAGE Alliance space will go from every corp getting Dominion upgraded Sanctums and Havens for their work in upgrading the system, to our part of the Vale only having FOUR SYSTEMS that spawn those types at all.

edit; "Risk/Reward Scaling" was such a bull**** excuse for this its laughable, go remove L4 missions except 0.5 and 0.6 systems in high-sec and see what kind of response you get... then ignore it and do it anyway.

Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:23:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Atridies
to introduce a patch nobody really wants.
Speak for yourself, tough guy.

Quote:
Sounds to me like it's cancellation time.
Good riddance! Don't forget to contract your stuff to me before you buzz off.

yieasase
Liga Freier Terraner
Ev0ke
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:31:00 - [174]
 


henchana
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:44:00 - [175]
 

Edited by: henchana on 04/04/2011 16:44:52
I've been on the verge of quitting a few times in the three (3) years I've been playing EvE.
luckily I never did Very Happy

Instead I found new ways to play and enjoy!

Sad to say I've never been further than 0.2 because I can't sustain the higher risk of loosing ships and isk with no or little gain.
I allways balance risk and benefit against the joy or pride it brings to rip it off. To "hear"
in local: "Darn, I allmost had her" or "%&#k where did he go???" makes it all worth the effort.
But in an other 3 years maybe I'll see it differently.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK CCP

Degara Farat
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.04 17:00:00 - [176]
 

Strange. Despite a neglected feedback thread on how bad it is to nerf the playability and income from 40% of Nullsec inhabitants they do think its needed to improve the playability of the habitants of Amarr (1.0 sec) because people cant wait until they clear the station undock before hitting warp. You should be ashamed.

Orian NiKunni
Posted - 2011.04.04 17:54:00 - [177]
 

Edited by: Orian NiKunni on 04/04/2011 17:55:09
I remember another mmo that decided to do a certain change with a large portion of its member-base pleading with the developers NOT to install the changes... but they went and did it anyway.

That mmo lost a large portion of its older playerbase and is now nothing but a shell of it's former self.

Hey CCP, get a ****ing clue... Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Lovisa18
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:08:00 - [178]
 

So is this the patch the change the sanctums!?

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:21:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: CCP Bella Bee
To clarify, since a couple of people were asking. With this patch everyone will get a chance to re-sculpt their character. When you log in and select your character you will be asked if you want to enter character creator, and there you will be able to re-sculpt. You can also skip this step, for the time being or you can select permanently to not be asked again. Whatever you do, you will after this patch always have access to the re-customization service in stations, where you can change your clothes, hair and makeup, you can get piercings, tattoos, and even get scarified.


I suggest doing the same after Incarna's release, seeing as avatars can look very different in different lighting and at different angels and distances. Also, we need to adjust height!

cilayin
Amarr
Ore Hogz
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:47:00 - [180]
 

Time to que up fighter bombers to 5? :3

haha kidding of course............................................. Wink




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