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Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.31 14:21:00 - [31]
 

Each one has his own view of Eve and how he likes to play it, the main issue is when people can't figure another way of playing it than their own.
When I first started this game was because of a simple pub in another game's add-on site, first contact with Eve is incredibly poor. Tutos are boring and frankly you don't really understand what they are good for, then weapon systems racial etc.

You don't know anything about this game, you want to try and you start by creating your character: so you figure yourself your char is the important part of the game and ship's accessory but it isn't. In fact your char is just a humanised mobile data store but the ships ARE the real matter of the game, it's king of "bizarre"

Then after spent some time choosing your race because of the introduction more than racial specificities, you realise those mean nothing, you've chosen an Amarr char but you'll have the same bonus abilities advantages than the caldari char if you train for them, most weird you can make your Amarr char be full Minmatar skills !! -WTF??-what's the meaning of making diff races/ships if they can all do the same?

After this you have the skills learning... and there it goes the most important: you live in a society that learns you that all you efforts must be compensated, if not you just don't do them.
In eve you can log on 30sec to set your skills que and log off, you can buy ISK with plex and never play the game.

In EVE and what every one doesn't want to hear about: the instant gratification is the business of some older players
Transform your trial account in to a normal one, buy some plex, buy yourself a 50/90M Sp char = instant gratification
Does this exists in other games? -yes OC it does but the fact of at least have some gratification for the time you spend on playing should be an engine instead of simple asian grind like.
In asian MMO's you must kill thousands of rabbits to get a level and get your new armour
In Eve you grind 24h/7D rabbits skills and you'll need over a year of optimised skill training to full play with some spaceships...either you've played 2H per day or 30sec to fill your skills que

It's a virtual world where after these small points the new player has to deal with a High security space that in fact isn't
Where gankers are insured and you get all the losses
Where any one exploiting game mechanics can make you be concorden in high security space while HE'S the aggressor...
Where pve content becomes one of many different boring stuff to do in Eve
Where mining is an hobby when you are at work or you run a bot program but the worst way to do isk
Where pvp is always a matter of numbers and alike wow OP yesterday was gallente now is minmatar tomorrow will be caldari etc etc
Where the new player learning constantly will need over 5 years of training skill-doesn't means playing the game-to catch older players

So what keeps me playing the game? -The few people I met an since then, like to play with more than what I can do in the game where almost every thing is quick boring, not talking of Ice mining Wink

Just take a look at the forums, read the threads and make yourself an idea of what the game is made of because the forum IS the reflect of it's community. Also the reflect of the Game designers attention for players feedback and at this game well, it hurts.
I'm not talking about Company personnel or dev's blogs "we"re out for 15min" and 14 latter the game is on, in this matter they are certainly the best company I've seen after over 12years of MMO's but in what concerns feedback attention and responses from them my note goes down to 2/10.

Already closed 2 accounts over 4 and just waiting the alt gets enough SP in the areas I want to transfer the alt and close another one. What's the interest of keeping more than one account and pay for those just to train skills 24/7, not more than keep them just to launch industrial jobs +PI take a look at the market and...get bored or, run a bot.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.31 14:43:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Swynet

Just take a look at the forums, read the threads and make yourself an idea of what the game is made of because the forum IS the reflect of it's community.


Not really, the loudest people on the forums are not representative of the entire community, you only see maybe 2% of the population of an MMO actually hitting the forums, and the ones that act like children are usually the loudest. The larger community in game are much different than what the forums would present.

Sounds to me from the rest of your post, EVE really isn't the game for you anyways. I've stuck with games before just because of friends, and eventually they move on and I quit too...it happens...

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.03.31 14:50:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 31/03/2011 14:51:15
Originally by: Swynet
Just take a look at the forums, read the threads and make yourself an idea of what the game is made of because the forum IS the reflect of it's community. Also the reflect of the Game designers attention for players feedback and at this game well, it hurts.
I'm not talking about Company personnel or dev's blogs "we"re out for 15min" and 14 latter the game is on, in this matter they are certainly the best company I've seen after over 12years of MMO's but in what concerns feedback attention and responses from them my note goes down to 2/10.

Great story, can't deny there's a lot of truth in it.

Funny you mention the forums as a measure of the state of the game. Whenever I want to try a new game, the 1st thing I do is check the forums. There's no better way of finding out about a game than that; reviews don't say a lot, advertisements are usually one big happy story and ratings on mmorpg are way off. But forums .. "the forum IS the reflection of its community" - they're a great mirror!

Must say though that developer involvement with the gaming communitry is almost always severely lacking. There's not a single branch in the software industry where designers listen less to their customers than the gaming industry and CCp isn't an exception.
As I already posted in another thread, CCP has never ever shown any real interest in what their customers really think. Did we ever had a survey about the game? Polls? All we have is a CSM, chosen by 9% of the players who may have 45% corresponding views with their "representatives".

Gangster101 PureLove
Posted - 2011.03.31 14:59:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Gangster101 PureLove on 31/03/2011 14:59:26
Cool story bro .... brought tears to my eyes lmao.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:05:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Sounds to me from the rest of your post, EVE really isn't the game for you anyways. I've stuck with games before just because of friends, and eventually they move on and I quit too...it happens...

Well .. we'd all like to hear your stories how you're still having hours of great fun every day playing EVE .. showing exactly why it is the game for you! ;)

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:32:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Barakkus
Sounds to me from the rest of your post, EVE really isn't the game for you anyways. I've stuck with games before just because of friends, and eventually they move on and I quit too...it happens...

Well .. we'd all like to hear your stories how you're still having hours of great fun every day playing EVE .. showing exactly why it is the game for you! ;)



nou!
I hate it!
True story.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:50:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
All we have is a CSM, chosen by 9% of the players who may have 45% corresponding views with their "representatives".


And I'm pretty sure whatever they bring to the table that isn't in the PR/senior dev's agenda goes right over the shoulder Wink
So, I don't think the CSM has other real role than agree/not agree with that silly agenda, even if they/us believe other thing.

Wy do I keep thinking about blasters anyway since I'm now training Matar stuff? Laughing

Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:00:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Corporal Punishment08 on 31/03/2011 16:07:36
Edited by: Corporal Punishment08 on 31/03/2011 16:05:33
Originally by: Burnharder
Apart from the bot issue, his reasons for quitting were stupid. Things like engine trails, cyno special effect, etc. Duh!


You obviously didn't read it all, because he states that he's just done with playing EVE for now. It's time to move on. Those little things he stated that were wrong with the game are just some suggestions he's putting out to CCP to help improve the game for others.

As for the OP and title of this thread, I don't see it as CCP trying to entice old players to rejoin the game. I see it as CCP trying to figure out why someone would leave, and treating them with respect. I can't think of another game thta would offer some free time to come back if they're ever interested again, but I can think of a lot of businesses that would offer that sort of thing, as a customer service thing.

Part on good terms, don't burn your bridges. Most likely he will never use the "few free days" that CCP offered. But that helps associate a positive memory with his dealings with CCP, and he will remember that, and not necessarily the free game time.


Originally by: Jennifer Starling
As I already posted in another thread, CCP has never ever shown any real interest in what their customers really think. Did we ever had a survey about the game? Polls? All we have is a CSM, chosen by 9% of the players who may have 45% corresponding views with their "representatives".



I've taken alot of CCP polls since I've been playing. I've also seen many things implemented that players have suggested.
The ship design contest is just one small example...

Also, I will add this. Since the forums make up such a small amount of the playerbase in EVE, why should CCP listen to anything the players on the forums say? How do you know that 80% of players aren't causing all the changes we see to this game through petitions and private correspondence to GMs?

Mnengli Noiliffe
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:22:00 - [39]
 

of course he did quit - what can be more boring than sitting on the low sec gate all day ganking noobs who can't afford scout account.

if CCP removed cloaky haulers and returned all the crappy sound he misses, I bet he'd find a dozen more reasons to quit, among which would certainly be something like "'cos there's concord in the game!"

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:40:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Corporal Punishment08

You obviously didn't read it all, because he states that he's just done with playing EVE for now. It's time to move on. Those little things he stated that were wrong with the game are just some suggestions he's putting out to CCP to help improve the game for others.



Sure, I read it all. I got the impression he was flailing around for reasons to quit apart from the fact he was just "done with it". His reasons were pretty lame, that's all. I frequently quit. It's nothing specific but usually because I get bored with it. But there are some parts of the game I'm just not competitive in (I don't have a market bot, or a mining bot, or a ratting bot), so mostly I just do a little of everything, realise I'm yawning a lot, then leave.

Shame they stopped ghost training and ghost RP earning. Those were two things I was actually pretty good at.

Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
Posted - 2011.03.31 17:52:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Corporal Punishment08

You obviously didn't read it all, because he states that he's just done with playing EVE for now. It's time to move on. Those little things he stated that were wrong with the game are just some suggestions he's putting out to CCP to help improve the game for others.



Sure, I read it all. I got the impression he was flailing around for reasons to quit apart from the fact he was just "done with it". His reasons were pretty lame, that's all. I frequently quit. It's nothing specific but usually because I get bored with it. But there are some parts of the game I'm just not competitive in (I don't have a market bot, or a mining bot, or a ratting bot), so mostly I just do a little of everything, realise I'm yawning a lot, then leave.

Shame they stopped ghost training and ghost RP earning. Those were two things I was actually pretty good at.


Touche! I do agree, those are minor issues at best, aside from the botting. I guess when you're just done with the game, all those things add up.


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