open All Channels
seplocked Intergalactic Summit
blankseplocked [QCATS] Command Announcement: Blue standings agreement
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Author Topic

Alain Colcer
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.30 01:57:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Alain Colcer on 30/03/2011 02:04:29
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


-UNCLASSIFIED-
The Scope RSS Business Feed/Gallente N-COMNET
Heydieles, Essence, Gallente Federation
29-March-112


Quantum Cats Syndicate Commanders announced, in a small press conference held at the Duvolle Laboratories Station in Heydieles Moon 19, a cease-fire and non-hostilities agreement with Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive. A decision approved by the FDU Command Staff.

The Ishukone subsidiary recently came in contact with [QCATS] CEO and Directors to inform their intent on engaging outlaws and pirate organizations in their area of operation within the Black Rise Region.

Said operational goals are aligned with [QCATS] rules of engagement and current area of deployment, therefore after a gesture of intent for cooperation; both organizations confirmed a blue status standing to facilitate fleet operations against potential hostile targets. We wish to clarify this does not change [I-RED] political leaning, nor [QCATS] commitment to the war effort against the State Protectorate forces.

Quantum Syndicate looks forward to fight and hopefully eliminate outlaws harassing the war zone, while remaining focused on keeping State protectorate forces out of Federation sovereignity, while Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive continue to further Ishukone's agenda, albeit avoiding direct support and intelligence gathering for State Protectorate forces that could compromise Syndicate fleets.

Regardless of having a history of past engagements, Quantum Syndicate and Ishukone-Raata Directive consider this good-will agreement an example of cooperation between Gallente and Caldari people.

As a final note, Press representatives inquired on the [QCATS] opinion regarding [I-RED] involvements in Ishukone operations within the Intaki system. [QCATS] remains neutral on the case, and consider that as long as Federation laws are upheld and all operations are approved by the current government representatives, in this case the Intaki Assembly. "Overall, we are a Military organization, with a clear directive and mission given to us by the Gallente Federation. We will follow the orders given, and execute any action under our authority, such as this agreement, that will accomplish that mission. If the Mission changes in the future, so will we." Lum. Gen. Texcoyo said in closing remarks.

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.03.30 13:45:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Alain Colcer
The Ishukone subsidiary recently came in contact with [QCATS] CEO and Directors to inform their intent on engaging outlaws and pirate organizations in their area of operation within the Black Rise Region.

From the perspective of Wirykomi, Kaalakiota, and Lai Dai; [QCATS] is a anti-development organization when operating in Black Rise and commits acts of piracy against State interest.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.03.30 14:15:00 - [3]
 

Good news. The Eleutherian Guard had approved full positive standings with I-RED not that along ago; we will look forward to any joint endeavours that may take place between our two outfits, as well as hoping that further cooperation between the Ishukone subsidiary and the Federal Defence Union will prove fruitful. There is no denying that both the FDU and the Ishukone Corporation have significant mutual interests vested in these areas.

Shintoko Akahoshi
Risen Angels
Posted - 2011.03.30 14:29:00 - [4]
 

Please, welcome them with open arms. Because Ishukone would never betray a friend.

Princess Nexxala
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:29:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 30/03/2011 19:29:41
Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 30/03/2011 19:29:20
Originally by: Dex Nederland
[QCATS] is a anti-development organization when operating in Black Rise and commits acts of piracy against State interest.


Indeed we do as we are currently at war with the Caldari State. Any more obvious and unnecessary remarks to make?

Texcoyo
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.30 22:47:00 - [6]
 

Ishkuone operates logistics in sovereign Federation space, at the request of the Intaki Assembly. As such, I-RED, being the only Caldari State corporation willing to work with and not overtake the Intaki people, have requested that we not interfere with their occurring anti-piracy operations in the Intaki Cluster. As this is a benefit to us, by securing space where our presence is minimal, we can benefit, as can I-RED, from not engaging each other needlessly.

We are not sharing intelligence, or trade. We hardly ever see each other to be honest, since we operate in essence, and they, in placid. This agreement is to prevent them interfering with us, or us interfering with them. If terms of the agreement are breached, we will respond accordingly.

Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.03.31 00:05:00 - [7]
 

How is it that you can attempt to drive State Protectorate forces out of Placid on one day, and then ally with I-RED on the next? This whole thing is just a power play by I-RED; it is a Caldari mega-corporation, and it is further rooting itself in the region by playing you off of those that interfere in its operations. If you sympathize with these people, you have no business serving in the Union.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.03.31 00:46:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Bluejacket CT
How is it that you can attempt to drive State Protectorate forces out of Placid on one day, and then ally with I-RED on the next?


I-RED =/= State Protectorate

Current goings-on should make that abundantly clear to you.

Texcoyo
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.31 01:14:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Bluejacket CT
How is it that you can attempt to drive State Protectorate forces out of Placid on one day, and then ally with I-RED on the next? This whole thing is just a power play by I-RED; it is a Caldari mega-corporation, and it is further rooting itself in the region by playing you off of those that interfere in its operations. If you sympathize with these people, you have no business serving in the Union.


I don't like the State in our system just as much as you, but as defenders of Gallente Freedoms in the warzone, we can't pick and choose who can be free to do what they wish (i.e the Intaki Assembly), and who can't. They made it clear that they want Ishkuones business for reasons that are none of our (QCATS) concern. As soldiers of the Federation, we have to accept the choices made by the sovereignty of the Intaki, and our own government. They will "root themselves in" if we attack them or not. For us to take matters into our own hands and forcefully remove them from system just validates Intaki separatists ideals and fuels their fire.

If they try and extend their reach in any manner, violating the contract that they agreed to with the Intaki people, then we will react accordingly. As I said, if the mission changes, so do we. Our immediate mission of keeping the state protectorate from reclaiming the systems is still in effect, and doing good with the efforts of the pilots there. I-RED has not hindered this mission based on my reports. That is the extent of our involvement, the rest is up to powers over either you or me.

Alain Colcer
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.31 02:37:00 - [10]
 

I'm sad the announcement has created doubts among fellow Federation militia pilots.

In my view, our fight is not agains the Caldari citizen, is not against the Megacorps that conform the economic might of the State, is not against their desire to command themselves as they see fit as a vibrant society.

I personally fight to remove Tibus Heth from office, so he can take responsability over the decisions to bombard and shatter the lives of those who had a home in Caldari Prime, regardless of bloodline or racial origins. For his foolishness in throwing two nations in war, he must face consequences.

Let me be clear, i'll shot down without remorse any State Protectorate combat pilot, but I do not wish to conquer, vanish or subjugate the Caldari people, neither it's culture nor traditions.

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.03.31 03:36:00 - [11]
 

Sometimes, obvious facts must be stated for all to see.
Originally by: Princess Nexxala
Originally by: Dex Nederland
[QCATS] is a anti-development organization when operating in Black Rise and commits acts of piracy against State interest.

Indeed we do as we are currently at war with the Caldari State. Any more obvious and unnecessary remarks to make?

By this statement, it is clear that I-RED has given Federation-backed pirates a free pass in an area I-RED states it seeks to improve security.
Originally by: Alain Colcer
our fight...is not against the Megacorps that conform the economic might of the State

Ishukone, Hyasyoda, Sukuuvestaa, Nugoeihuvi, CBD, Wirykomi, Kaalakiota, and Lai Dai are not just the economic might of the State; they are the State.
Originally by: Alain Colcer
I personally fight to remove Tibus Heth from office

And what office is that? CEO of Kaalakiota, Ytiri Retail, & Caldari Constructions? Or do you believe him something akin to your President?
Originally by: Alain Colcer
For his foolishness in throwing two nations in war, he must face consequences.

How quickly Gallente reshape history to meet their own desires.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.03.31 04:52:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Dex Nederland
And what office is that? CEO of Kaalakiota, Ytiri Retail, & Caldari Constructions? Or do you believe him something akin to your President?


Constant repetition of the lie that Tibus Heth is "merely" these things will not make it true.

Texcoyo
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.31 05:37:00 - [13]
 

If he is just a CEO of a mega-corp, then why is he calling the shots for the State in its entirety? Running the navy, Homeguard and obviously the chief over the STPRO?

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.03.31 06:10:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Dex Nederland
And what office is that? CEO of Kaalakiota, Ytiri Retail, & Caldari Constructions? Or do you believe him something akin to your President?
Constant repetition of the lie that Tibus Heth is "merely" these things will not make it true.


You are calling me a liar; prove my statements untrue.

Originally by: Texcoyo
If he is just a CEO of a mega-corp, then why is he calling the shots for the State in its entirety? Running the navy, Homeguard and obviously the chief over the STPRO?

What evidence do you have that he is calling the shots of the entire State? If this was true then Ishukone would be doing exactly what he wants! Not to mention he could have prevented a few other internal conflicts that have occured.

What evidence do you have that Tibus Heth is running the Caldari Navy?

I will grant you the possibility that Heth has allies in the Protectorate's upper echelons, but that does not mean he is running it. His influence, or rather Kaalakiota's is largely to do with the apparent investment by Kaalakiota in establishing the Protectorate.

He is the CEO of Kaalakiota and I would assume has a very big impact on what Kaalakiota's wholly-owned security subsidary, the Home Guard, does.

Regardless of who the CEO of Kaalakiota is that individual is an incredibly powerful person, with the very real ability to impact the lives of billions across all four major powers without ever declaring war or breaking any laws. The CEO of Kaalakiota can, if so desired, take action to cause economic depressions across entire constellations. But so can Roni Darieux.

"Just the CEO of a Megacorp," like Uriam Kador is just the Head of a House.

Aurelie Severasse
Gallente
The Light on the Hill
Posted - 2011.03.31 07:42:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Dex Nederland"
Just the CEO of a Megacorp," like Uriam Kador is just the Head of a House.


I think a more appropriate allegory would be to say that Heth is just the CEO of a Megacorp just like Jamyl Sarum is head of a house.

Texcoyo
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:43:00 - [16]
 

Forgive me if my knowledge of the way that Caldari delegate power, but upon the State completing its mission of taking over all the war zone, no other than Heth himself issued a medal to the entire militia for their efforts. Looking at what corporation medal was issued by, it was the Caldari Navy.

I'm not sure how anything gets decided in the State without some figurehead, but I can say that if there is one out of any Mega-Corp CEO, it would be him. He may not be able to influence directly on what the other Mega-corps do, but make no mistake, he is not interested in just growing his piece of the pie. He has a blood vendetta out for the Federation, and is behind more expansionist plots then I'm sure either of us know in its entirety.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:29:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 31/03/2011 15:29:25
Originally by: Dex Nederland
You are calling me a liar; prove my statements untrue.


Tibus Heth is the sole guiding force behind the Caldari Providence Directorate - an organisation which directly controls most of the State's industrial base, can make direct petitions to the CEP, has formed a star chamber that can detain State individuals and hold them without trial indefinitely, conduct raids on the offices of Kaalakiota's megacorporate competitors, and, most visibly, form his own private army that has not, as of yet, stood accountable to CEP oversight.

You are a liar, your statements untrue.

Sylorin
Caldari
MMZ Laboratories LLC
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:37:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris

Tibus Heth is the sole guiding force behind the Caldari Providence Directorate - an organisation which directly controls most of the State's industrial base, can make direct petitions to the CEP, has formed a star chamber that can detain State individuals and hold them without trial indefinitely, conduct raids on the offices of Kaalakiota's megacorporate competitors, and, most visibly, form his own private army that has not, as of yet, stood accountable to CEP oversight.



You say that as if it's a bad thing.



Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:46:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Sylorin
You say that as if it's a bad thing.


It is.

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.04.01 04:08:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Dex Nederland on 01/04/2011 04:08:55
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Tibus Heth is the sole guiding force behind the Caldari Providence Directorate

Fair statement and I do not think I have ever disagreed that he is the guiding force behind the CPD.

Article #1

The following emphasis is mine.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
(The CPD) directly controls most of the State's industrial base

Originally by: Article
Tibus Heth's Caldari Providence Directorate direct access to most of the Caldari State's industrial base.

Access is not control. You appear to have misread the article in order to further your own interpertation.

Article #2 & #3
Quote:
(The CPD) can make direct petitions to the CEP

You take issue with organized citizens petitioning their government for actions?

Or would you prefer "a fascist attack by fanatical Caldari loyalists on a point of view they didn't agree with" against the CPD when they wish to bring something to the CEP?

Article #4
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
(The CPD) has formed a star chamber

Not all megacorporations have agreed to take part in the State Loyalty Tribunal, as the article states. This seems to run counter to the idea that the CPD and Tibus Heth have the powers you attribute them.

Article #5
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
(The CPD) can detain State individuals

It would appear that the CBD Sell Division had an agreement with the CPD and Dr. Kinttonen was a subject of interest to the CPD in CBD Sell Division's jurisdiction. What agreements exist between CBD Sell Division and Hyasyoda regarding visiting personnel, neither you or I know.

There a number of possible reasons for his detainment, all of which are left to the readers' imaginations.

Article #6
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
(The CPD) can hold them without trial indefinitely,

The article is incredibly vague. Which State appeals court? Which megacorporations' properties in the State is it talking about? It could mean that NoH is allowing the CPD to indefinitely detain employees of interest when they are in State space, or perhaps only planetside. There is no real way to tell how wide ranging the court-in-question's authority goes.

Article #7
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
conduct raids on the offices of Kaalakiota's megacorporate competitors,

Per Ishukone's agreement with the CEP & CBT, I can only assume they made themselves suseptable to these investigations. My understanding is that the same can happen to Federal contractors who do work for the Federal government as part of their contracts.

As for the CPD observers, I will agree their behavior was out of line, but those bringing suit are allowed to observe the CBT's investigation.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
and, most visibly, form his own private army that has not, as of yet, stood accountable to CEP oversight.

Why should the CEP have oversight of an organization it does not fund?
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You are a liar, your statements untrue.

You may question my integrity, but I think we simply do not agree on inteperation of events and news.

But have what you believe is just a dragon's head, but do not be surprised when the dragon turns out to be a hydra.


 

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only