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Terghon Tu
Amarr
DarkNet Node Fanaticus
Posted - 2011.03.30 00:42:00 - [1]
 

I've heard a lot about how CSM6 doesn't represent the EVE populace, since CSM6 is heavily stocked with null-sec members. I know that most null-sec issues don't represent my concerns as a (mostly) high-sec player. But what IS the breakdown of players in EVE? I haven't seen one lately. What are the percentages of players in null, low, and high-sec? I know it'll be somewhat ambiguous since there's a lot of overlap even in a given day (let alone over weeks or months).

It seems like the CSM should have this kind of information available to help them choose which issues to champion.

somafiend
Caldari
Dark Sun Legion
Posted - 2011.03.30 02:05:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: somafiend on 30/03/2011 02:05:48
You do have the issue of removing mining bots in empire from the Census...I know between places like Nakugard, Kamio, Arshat and other 'quiet' systems you find 5-20 bots a day. I can't see them counting. Then you have missioning bots, /gag . How to come up real numbers is a trick. Most people in null are real from my experience, though most also have 3-10 accounts. Again, should you could characters or actual account owners?

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.30 10:57:00 - [3]
 

I'd suggest you reach out to some reps with your core issues and see their thoughts on it. Just because somebody is currently in a 0.0 alliance doesn't mean that defines their voting pattern nor does it impact their desire to see eve fixed for everybody. If you find a rep who doesn't share your enjoyment for a particular playing style this would be a perfect time to reach out and teach them a bit so they can represent you better.

As for the breakdown of reps this is extremely foreseeable. 0.0 is by definition made up of voting blocs where empire candidates will never have that benefit. Your job is going to be to make sure that all reps are as read up on your important issues as possible so we can better lobby on your behalf.

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.03.30 11:33:00 - [4]
 

The breakdown of Eve population is visible in the QENs.

Now, there's always been delegates to support every play style in each CSM, sometimes more, sometimes less. And a couple (like me) who have had experience in all of play styles and don't favour one over the other.

That being said, some 0.0 candidates have historically been positive advocates of highsec specific measures, and others haven't been hindrances. So you may want to check out each candidate individually.

Also, we're checking the CSM section of the forum for interesting proposals to raise anyway. So don't be too scared not to be represented, unless you have terrible ideas, they'll get attention.

Draco Llasa
Thundercats
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:13:00 - [5]
 

I just want to echo the other two here.
Just because some of us are 0.0 or empire residence does not mean we can't step in to represent the other areas. I would imagine that each of the delegates has a firm grasp of most areas. While we may care more put issues that affect one area or another we will not ignore other areas because we dont live them every day. I can tell you i specifically DO care about high sec and how things work there even though my main character doesn't live there. As noted the QEN has a lot of the details i think you are looking for.

At this point the 2 recommendations already give are very good ones. Determine if one of the candidates aligned to represent you the best and reach out to him. And don't hesitate to post your ideas.. they are reviewed.

Terghon Tu
Amarr
DarkNet Node Fanaticus
Posted - 2011.03.31 01:05:00 - [6]
 

Thanks for the suggestions, I have and am following up on them. For those watching at home... the raw breakdown of EVE population is about 55% Empire, 35% null-sec, with the rest split between wormholes and low-sec (leaning mostly toward wormholes). Given the prevalence of bots and the like, it is possible that null-sec accounts for 40-45% of actual players (just guessing). So a null-sec living CSM isn't as unrepresentative as instinct would suggest.

As for marshaling my concerns and choosing a rep to bring them to, that seems an excellent suggestion. At the very worst I'll pick the wrong rep, at best I may find someone like-minded on the CSM.

Thanks for your time, both in this thread and in the coming year.

Slayton Ford
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.31 03:35:00 - [7]
 

You'd be surprised on how many of the Empire players are actually alts of 0.0 players.

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.31 09:13:00 - [8]
 


I guess the thing I find interesting about this "null sec controlling the CSM" concept is that we all mostly started out in the same place and have a decent appreciation of how inter-connected EVE is. Due to the restrictive nature of certain aspects of 0.0, the Alliances simply have to deal with Empire players on a day to day basis. Alliances have empire-based production corps, logistics, etc... I mean, even Mittani knows he needs people in Empire to build ammo for his alliance's Maelstroms and I once watched him give an inspired presentation about low-sec iteration at an EVE meet in Vegas.

Players don't end up leading alliances or playing EVE for 6-7 years without understanding these nuances very well. In that respect, I believe CSM 6 might be much more 'representative' than some would like to realize. Smile

Garekell
Posted - 2011.03.31 19:16:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Slayton Ford
You'd be surprised on how many of the 0.0 players are actually alts of Empire players.


Fixed that for ya.... Laughing (Sorry couldn't resist)

Sebastian Myers
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.07 14:11:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: somafiend
Edited by: somafiend on 30/03/2011 02:05:48
You do have the issue of removing mining bots in empire from the Census...I know between places like Nakugard, Kamio, Arshat and other 'quiet' systems you find 5-20 bots a day. I can't see them counting. Then you have missioning bots, /gag . How to come up real numbers is a trick. Most people in null are real from my experience, though most also have 3-10 accounts. Again, should you could characters or actual account owners?
In reference to your comment on if the null sec players having 3-10 accts and if they should be counted as one or many I feel that they should be counted for how many accts they have. I may be biased since I am one of these kinds of people, but I like to think of owning an acct as owning a piece of stock. If a person owns a great percentage of stock in the company even if they are not with the main corporation they have a say in what goes on in relativity to how much stock they own. Just a thought. Smile


 

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