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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.03.30 11:12:00 - [61]
 

Are you sure the round table wasnt cancelled? I know CCP cancelled at least one talk in Sisi and yet the room was still full with people waiting.

Ydyp Ieva
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.30 11:41:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Rainus Max
Are you sure the round table wasnt cancelled? I know CCP cancelled at least one talk in Sisi and yet the room was still full with people waiting.

Yes they cancelled one round table cause of bad scheduling, but it wasn't the FW round table. The one guy of CCP there (not knowing anything of FW) didn't even knew where the ones that normally would attend this round table stayed.

Thumbs up to all that were there to not tear him apart, as he was just the messenger.

Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO
Equinox Rising
Posted - 2011.03.30 12:21:00 - [63]
 

will be interesting to hear what CCP have to say on this. and @Har #Winning indeed :P charlie would be proud...

come on CCP lets hear the excuses, few people here reading and posting waiting for some kind of response...

Cheers
Tib

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.03.30 12:22:00 - [64]
 

Somebody that went to the event said that a Dev was double booked?

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.30 12:37:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
Somebody that went to the event said that a Dev was double booked?


How do you double book when the event is planned well in advance???

Skippy Peanut
Posted - 2011.03.30 13:02:00 - [66]
 

I only been in FW for few months, if FW dies off what else is there in EVE that will give me satisfaction to fight agains other players?

I hope to get my core skills up to really get some kills in FW b4 it is dead.


Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.03.30 13:03:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Webvan
Originally by: Har Harrison
I have a question for CCP. Did you miss the round table at Fan Fest for Faction Warfare?
ok this is just really lame. I'm 2 days into training an alt for FW, planning 30 to 100 days to train this year just for FW. I may as well just go back to training my highsec carebear character, while looking for another mmo that has factions as it's the only type of mmo pvp I like (lots of exp with it). I mean yeah I know it's broke here, ok, but not even showing up is just wrong. Part of why I got a sub for this game, a big part, was for factions, pvp was suppose to be great here. Someone lied, probably just to get free months in the buddy program, more scammers just like the 99.9% around Jita. This is just disappointing. Maybe I just wont show up for paying my sub next month Confused


really dude? You haven't even tried FW and you want to unsub b/c of forum rage? Wowza

For all of the raging about FW it is the most fun I have in eve. Lots to do and the plex mechanics, while they could be improved, are simply awesome for reducing the size of fights to a manageable level and getting rid of the blob (even a few hours before dt). I say this to all FW potentials, just get down here and see if its for you. This game, after all, is what YOU make it.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.30 13:21:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Karl Planck
Originally by: Webvan
Originally by: Har Harrison
I have a question for CCP. Did you miss the round table at Fan Fest for Faction Warfare?
ok this is just really lame. I'm 2 days into training an alt for FW, planning 30 to 100 days to train this year just for FW. I may as well just go back to training my highsec carebear character, while looking for another mmo that has factions as it's the only type of mmo pvp I like (lots of exp with it). I mean yeah I know it's broke here, ok, but not even showing up is just wrong. Part of why I got a sub for this game, a big part, was for factions, pvp was suppose to be great here. Someone lied, probably just to get free months in the buddy program, more scammers just like the 99.9% around Jita. This is just disappointing. Maybe I just wont show up for paying my sub next month Confused


really dude? You haven't even tried FW and you want to unsub b/c of forum rage? Wowza

For all of the raging about FW it is the most fun I have in eve. Lots to do and the plex mechanics, while they could be improved, are simply awesome for reducing the size of fights to a manageable level and getting rid of the blob (even a few hours before dt). I say this to all FW potentials, just get down here and see if its for you. This game, after all, is what YOU make it.


Umm - isn't the complaint that the plex mechanics break after a few hours, so you only have a few hours AFTER downtime???

And so far - I haven't really seen much raging - just people who have 1) shown an interest in any answer CCP may provide to the question I have asked and/or 2) have an interest in FW and would like to see it iterated on, such that CCP "Deliver".

Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:47:00 - [69]
 

A simple response would indeed be courteous.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:59:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Shaalira D'arc
A simple response would indeed be courteous.


Incarna > Dust > WOD > Nebulas > Turret Effects > Lag > Actually this might go on for awile. Lets skip ahead > Hybrids > Spelling Errors in Mission Logs > FW


Tbh I dont think anyone really cares about FW anymore sadly. I would bet a majority of people still in FW are only there to farm LP in SB.


Meeogi
Amarr
Lone Star Privateers
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:11:00 - [71]
 

So...what are you guys waiting to hear from C.C.P?

a big...... UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Because I'm guessing that's about all its going to be,and most of you know this.

Instead of silence....or a whole lot of words saying nothing..just say....We have other **** our bosses are having us work on, sorry.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:15:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
I would bet a majority of people still in FW are only there to farm LP in SB.



Those fleet phoons aren't going to market nosedive down to 150mil by themselves ya know?

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:16:00 - [73]
 

frankly CCP seems to have Cronic Foot in mouth with a lot of things latly.

moneykeeper
Posted - 2011.03.30 20:31:00 - [74]
 


Its because the devs have all been playing for years and dont remember what the game is like for new players. You think that a new player can just join a 0.0 corp, jump in a frig and start shooting up carriers?

Nope, faction war or low sec piracy is the only way for new players to leave empire. Thats how you get pvp skills, meet people and join pvp corps.

And breaking into 0.0 space is almost impossible now. Unless you got 50 titans and 100 motherships 0.0 just isn't going to happen. So corps that want to got to 0.0 have to join stupid big alliances, that the devs love, because they are in them.

Devs should make new chars to remind themselves how boring the first 2 or 3 months playing eve is. then you'd see improvements to stuff like fw that give new players the chance to make the transition from intersting low sec pvp in small gangs to hours of gate camping in 0.0.

Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.03.30 20:43:00 - [75]
 

Having been at that round table I agree it was a disgrace that the people knowledgeable about FW from CCP did not show up there. Props to the person from CCP who was there and took down notes of what was being discussed there (If memory serves he was one of the content writers/devs for the Incursion system who joined CCP shortly after FW was released)

There was a full consensus that more incentive had to be given towards taking systems, the idea's of how to do this differed a bit but everyone agreed it had to be done. Another of the main things talked about was the issue's with piracy in FW, thanks to the VETO group that showed up (who also gave great feedback into the FW side of things)
Though the dev there could of course not speak for what was going to happen he said that changes for FW have been in the backlog for quite some time now (no surprise there), and that from what he had heard there had been talk about a complete redesign of the FW system instead of fixing the current broken one, including some speculation into implementing some of the Incursion mechanics.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:59:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Idicious Lightbane
Having been at that round table I agree it was a disgrace that the people knowledgeable about FW from CCP did not show up there. Props to the person from CCP who was there and took down notes of what was being discussed there (If memory serves he was one of the content writers/devs for the Incursion system who joined CCP shortly after FW was released)

There was a full consensus that more incentive had to be given towards taking systems, the idea's of how to do this differed a bit but everyone agreed it had to be done. Another of the main things talked about was the issue's with piracy in FW, thanks to the VETO group that showed up (who also gave great feedback into the FW side of things)
Though the dev there could of course not speak for what was going to happen he said that changes for FW have been in the backlog for quite some time now (no surprise there), and that from what he had heard there had been talk about a complete redesign of the FW system instead of fixing the current broken one, including some speculation into implementing some of the Incursion mechanics.


Ah, there was at least one person from CCP, good.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.30 22:03:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Originally by: Idicious Lightbane
Having been at that round table I agree it was a disgrace that the people knowledgeable about FW from CCP did not show up there. Props to the person from CCP who was there and took down notes of what was being discussed there (If memory serves he was one of the content writers/devs for the Incursion system who joined CCP shortly after FW was released)

There was a full consensus that more incentive had to be given towards taking systems, the idea's of how to do this differed a bit but everyone agreed it had to be done. Another of the main things talked about was the issue's with piracy in FW, thanks to the VETO group that showed up (who also gave great feedback into the FW side of things)
Though the dev there could of course not speak for what was going to happen he said that changes for FW have been in the backlog for quite some time now (no surprise there), and that from what he had heard there had been talk about a complete redesign of the FW system instead of fixing the current broken one, including some speculation into implementing some of the Incursion mechanics.


Ah, there was at least one person from CCP, good.

Yeah, the janitor. CCP MopHead.

Chris Fierce
Caldari
NoD Imperium
Posted - 2011.03.30 22:19:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Donatien de'Sade
Not turning up to your own organised event is a pretty sad indictment of CCP as a company, more so when no one is surprised this happened..


My sentiments exactly.

Maceross
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.30 22:22:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Idicious Lightbane
Having been at that round table I agree it was a disgrace that the people knowledgeable about FW from CCP did not show up there. Props to the person from CCP who was there and took down notes of what was being discussed there (If memory serves he was one of the content writers/devs for the Incursion system who joined CCP shortly after FW was released)

There was a full consensus that more incentive had to be given towards taking systems, the idea's of how to do this differed a bit but everyone agreed it had to be done. Another of the main things talked about was the issue's with piracy in FW, thanks to the VETO group that showed up (who also gave great feedback into the FW side of things)
Though the dev there could of course not speak for what was going to happen he said that changes for FW have been in the backlog for quite some time now (no surprise there), and that from what he had heard there had been talk about a complete redesign of the FW system instead of fixing the current broken one, including some speculation into implementing some of the Incursion mechanics.


Ive met the people I spent the next couple of years with ingame, and had some proper amazing times at the start of FW. However, it was soon sad to see how imbalanced and empty it was so we all left. Id love to see it become a great feature again so other players can get introduced to a new side of the game like did through it.

Good news that it looks like its getting some thought, shame that it wasnt given the time it deserves at fanfest.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.31 01:02:00 - [80]
 

I'm glad to hear that that someone did take notes at least - hopefully something happens to them. Disappointed that someone who understood FW didn't show up. It definately would be good for some of the incursion mechanics to potentially be used - even if it is just to make the NPCs smarter...

Webvan
Posted - 2011.03.31 01:58:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Skippy Peanut
I only been in FW for few months, if FW dies off what else is there in EVE that will give me satisfaction to fight agains other players?
It's not going to die, it has mission running. Look, what is the one game mechanic element CCP added to each variation of pvp in EVE? The answer is Greed.

I guess in CCP's eyes, it's only greed that motivates people to pvp. Unfortunately, being the prevailing motivation really draws people motivated by greed to the game, while people like me leave, which I am (no you don't want my stuff, I only been here 90 days, and not motivated by greed). Even the changes/nerfs coming to 0.0 is about greed being the mechanic to cause conflict.

All aspects of pvp in EVE are centered on greed, even factions with mission running while other motivations are left to rot or trampled over by the prevailing motivation of greed. Factions are not suppose to operate on greed apart from any story line that may present some form of RP reason to war by greed. Factions are about conquest and boasting rights, purely about having fun. Once you add other motivations to factions such as greed, it's no longer faction warfare, but in this case mission running for high rewards etc.

I don't think this will ever be fixed because CCP likes it this way, maybe some kind of european political statement they make? Don't know, but I'm not sticking around to wait for any fix which I doubt will ever come anyway, not when they won't even discuss the current state of faction wars with it subscribers at their own convention. Toodles


Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.31 06:51:00 - [82]
 

Still waiting for the answer please CCP...

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:04:00 - [83]
 

Was watching some fan fest videos - there is a comment that CCP wants to see small scale PvP

"We want there to be a trade off, not necessarily rock paper scissors - small gang warfare is just as fun as the big fleet stuff"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y4RSYY23g8 - 7:25 onwards

So where is the commitment to FW, starting with the response that was promised...?

Lord Meriak
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:09:00 - [84]
 

Its only been over 24 hours.
Ccp we still waiting, You most have known this thread was coming.
plan event not turn up. Thought you had all your Excuses Ready

Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:14:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Lord Meriak
Its only been over 24 hours.
Ccp we still waiting, You most have known this thread was coming.
plan event not turn up. Thought you had all your Excuses Ready


umadbro

Lord Ryan
Derailleurs
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:42:00 - [86]
 

Maybe he was in Cancun or something it's to damn cold in Iceland!

Anyways throwing in my support, fix FW, get rid of missions and whatever these other guys are saying. Amarr Victory!

Jason1138
Posted - 2011.03.31 14:01:00 - [87]
 

"It has been over two years ladies and all we have gotten are new bugs and old bugs squashed. "


i remember you getting faction BS's in the LP store last year. not saying that CCP cares about FW much, because they don't, but they have occasionally done 1 thing here or there to buff it

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:24:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
Somebody that went to the event said that a Dev was double booked?


tbh i dont blame the guy for choseing the other roundtable to the FW one if he was double booked based on the comments made here and the general rage mentality that just want to tear the guy a new one

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.31 15:32:00 - [89]
 

... ok since they clearly already abandoned the whole Excelence, and it looks like "Deliver" is heading to the waistbasket as a paper basketball. I guess next year will be "promis" fallowed by "lie through our teeth"(Just kidding)(or am i(sigh))

CCP Manifest


C C P
Posted - 2011.03.31 17:08:00 - [90]
 

I've talked it over with a few people, including the event scheduler and a couple people from design. There was basically a terrible, inexcusable miscommunication where the session had loosely been decided upon beforehand as a topic, but nobody had properly affirmed their attendance on the dev side.

In the madness leading up to and during Fanfest something is bound to go wrong. Regrettably, CCP's attendance at the FW session was one of the few things that did. So, I'm talking to some of the people that could possibly have been at a FW session to figure out how to make it up to the people who went to the session but found it unmanned. More on this hopefully in a couple days time at the latest.

I'm also waiting to hear back from CCP Gilsev, the CCPer who did attend the session (as mentioned above), but who works on the content team and had nothing to do with FW other than having general knowledge about it. He has been at a team offsite in Iceland ever since Fanfest, so hope to hear from him tomorrow. I want to get his notes and thoughts to at least be able to pick up the conversation had there on these boards.

CCP Krisnitori, one of the main organizers of Fanfest, expressed extreme regret to me and by proxy to you guys, for not properly handling this session before Fanfest. She did a fantastic job with everything else as far as I can see, but she admits a definite fail in this area.

Again, sorry from CCP. We know what a blue ball it is to travel to Fanfest to speak about something you really care about in EVE and then to be hit with a brick wall. Hopefully some generative discussion was had about FW that can continue here apart from the justified indignation.


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