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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:58:00 - [31]
 

Well, CCP?

Calypso Carnai
Posted - 2011.03.29 23:20:00 - [32]
 

I have to admit I am concerned that CCP allegedly didn't show up to their own roundtable. Have we had any confirmation from CCP that this happened or is it all hush-hush?

It would be nice to see more FW. Surely with all the emphasis on Dust, FW would be a perfect fit? I imagine console FPS players would enjoy having the option of being more directly allied with Empire factions.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.29 23:22:00 - [33]
 

I don't think CCP's going to respond here. I think they prefer FW be unofficially abandonware than official. Yup, time find your FW exploits hacks and tricks, because CCP's abandoned it.

Kuan Yida
Minmatar
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.03.29 23:26:00 - [34]
 

As broken as it is, I've stayed in faction war for the small gang PvP, though it seems that's harder and harder to find. Spent a few hours last night and all we got were a few lousy Arbitrator kills...

But, killing war targets and low sec pirates is still more interesting than endlessly flying around or camping gates in null sec looking for a fight.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.29 23:28:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: mkmin
I don't think CCP's going to respond here. I think they prefer FW be unofficially abandonware than official. Yup, time find your FW exploits hacks and tricks, because CCP's abandoned it.


Would undertaking said hacks and tricks be considered an exploit at that point then since CCP seem to have given up on it??? Twisted Evil Now there is an interesting point of discussion...

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.29 23:47:00 - [36]
 

FW the best PvP in the game.

Dynamic with many places to fight besides gates and stations.

Completely abandon the day of release. After lagging lowsec to death we logged countless hours of lowsec to determine where desync was.

CCP then spent a week or 2 fixing this general desync which effected all players.

Since then not one single hour of dev time has been spent on this major expansion.

Dead.

PI = same fate.
Incusion = same fate.
DUST = same fate.

CCP are only interested in how many new customers the marketing hype for the next expansion can bring.

**** you CCP.

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.29 23:57:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: mkmin
As long as people keep coming to market-fest, and keep living in marketable alliances that keep having their marketable super-cap battles, and Jita has a marketable population cap, CCP's going to keep working on their marketable bull**** without ever worrying about destroying the time and effort the players have put in to making what would otherwise be a ****ty game awesome.

The message I got from fanfest was that anyone in the company who cares about the players are not decision makers. The decision makers have thoroughly communicated that "we are in it for the money. We are doing things our way no matter how badly it breaks the game experience. and if you don't like it, **** off."


Sad but true. The CCP we knew is good as dead.

Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2011.03.30 00:42:00 - [38]
 

Disappointing. Expected, but still disappointing.

Mekhana
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.03.30 00:49:00 - [39]
 

Thanks CCP. =/

Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.30 00:51:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Burseg Sardaukar on 30/03/2011 00:53:21
Lol.

Edit:
I got more face-time with a dev at a ragtag, last-minute bar gathering in Boston than you did at CCP headquarters during a scheduled panel.

Hot Tubes
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.30 01:07:00 - [41]
 

The only way they could have topped this is if everyone had filed into the room and after waiting 15 minutes or so for a dev to show up, they walked up to the table at the front of the room, only to find a single piece of paper on which was written:

"All navy battleships and navy cap boosters will now be available in the normal LP stores.

Yours, CCP"

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.03.30 02:07:00 - [42]
 

ive got my fingers crossed and hope that dev greyscales plan to align 0.0 systems more toward their true 1.0 sec (boost to the good system nerf to all else.) will trigger an influx of players who can pvp when they need to but alot like to pve for goo isk when they can and drive them back into FW.

If ccp change anything for the better in fw, in the same patch, things could get alot more livly :)

like i sed at the start, figers crossed Cool

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.30 02:21:00 - [43]
 

I know that it's just political however lets just explain the issue again in-case they missed it.

* Plex spawnning mechanic is broken.

For the first 3h after downtime it is possible to plex PvP.
This is the most dynamic form of PvP in the Eve universe.
Imbalances between gangs can be mitigated by the use of plex and many fights per night can always be found.

Soon after the mechanic breaks and no more plex spawn in target systems until the next downtime.

Result: FW only works for 2-3h our of 23h. Most players have never seen this working and think plexing is PvE.

* NPC ewar.

In both combat zones one race can be farmed with frigs while the other makes this impossible.

This contributes to the lack of plex to be closed in order to force respawns.

Result: Only 1 side can effectively close hostile plex in attempts to control the broken spawning.


Investigate. Spend at least 1h/yr please.
Fix. I'm sure there are some very minor adjustments that will fix this in short order.

If you can't work out the spawning code then maybe just post details on how it works and we'll fix the logic for you.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.30 02:34:00 - [44]
 

Well, so far I am seeing decent support from people who obviously love FW and want it and are frustrated about how things currently stand.

Still no word from CCP on why they (allegedly) failed to attent the round table. I'm sure I am not the only person who was hoping that the round table MAY have been enought to give FW a bit of love and polish - even if no new features were added...

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.03.30 03:06:00 - [45]
 

CCP missed an opportunity to integrate FW with PI. I can build planet stuff on New Caldari Prime while they shoot me in space. But the sov mechanic has it that you can't do PI on worlds that are on worlds not owned by your alliance.

I imagine they will HAVE to do something with factional warfare for DUST 514. But who knows when DUST 514 is coming out.

Kabaal S'sylistha
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.03.30 04:15:00 - [46]
 

This deserves a blue post imo.

FW has always been one of those things I look at and go "Man, if they fixed it right, they'd have my money for life."

But no. Not even showing up to the fan table for it? I might have to invoke some curse language to show how utterly disrespectful that is to a client.

I won't threaten to quit Eve, but rest assured I will recommend anyone who hasn't already gotten in and addicted to ship spinning to stay away until alot of the core gameplay, like faction warfare, is addressed.

Kireiina
Posted - 2011.03.30 06:05:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Har Harrison

I ask this as a corp mate who attended has just told me no one from CCP turned up. Only the players with an interest in FW were there.



That's just incredibly rude and lame :/

Ten Bulls
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.30 06:32:00 - [48]
 

CCP, you say they want more pew pew, you say you hate the blob.


Your nerfing low value 0.0 system, it will reduce 0.0 population and force people to blob in higher value systems.

FW is a solution to reduce blobs and increase PvP, but you ignore it.

Boosting low-sec would also help and that is ignored like FW.


CCP what is required from you right now is for you to man up and admit your mistakes, turn that ship around !

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.30 06:36:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Ten Bulls
CCP, you say they want more pew pew, you say you hate the blob.


Your nerfing low value 0.0 system, it will reduce 0.0 population and force people to blob in higher value systems.

FW is a solution to reduce blobs and increase PvP, but you ignore it.

Boosting low-sec would also help and that is ignored like FW.


CCP what is required from you right now is for you to man up and admit your mistakes, turn that ship around !


The presence or lack of blobs and PVP does not affect the $ CCP makes. Of course they don't care. There's not enough $ in FW for CCP to care. There was $ in it when it was new and got new subs, but everyone's lived with it long enough that nobody's gonna quit over it. If it doesn't affect their $ then it's not broken.

Donatien de'Sade
Red Federation
Posted - 2011.03.30 06:49:00 - [50]
 

Not turning up to your own organised event is a pretty sad indictment of CCP as a company, more so when no one is surprised this happened..

Alissa Solette
Posted - 2011.03.30 07:29:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: mkmin
The message I got from fanfest was that anyone in the company who cares about the players are not decision makers. The decision makers have thoroughly communicated that "we are in it for the money. We are doing things our way no matter how badly it breaks the game experience. and if you don't like it, **** off."


The game experience (lag, bugs, instability, dismal and incompetent staff/support) is staying the same. That's the problem. Instead of improving the game they are introducing some cybersex tool for gender confused mmo-nerds. Well... it would be a cybersex platform but sadly you can't actually interact with anyone just yet (will be "iterated" on later... lol) so it's pretty half-arsed (and thus fits perfectly to CCPs corporate identity).

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.30 07:38:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Alissa Solette
Originally by: mkmin
The message I got from fanfest was that anyone in the company who cares about the players are not decision makers. The decision makers have thoroughly communicated that "we are in it for the money. We are doing things our way no matter how badly it breaks the game experience. and if you don't like it, **** off."


The game experience (lag, bugs, instability, dismal and incompetent staff/support) is staying the same. That's the problem. Instead of improving the game they are introducing some cybersex tool for gender confused mmo-nerds. Well... it would be a cybersex platform but sadly you can't actually interact with anyone just yet (will be "iterated" on later... lol) so it's pretty half-arsed (and thus fits perfectly to CCPs corporate identity).


Betcha money that they won't bother releasing any iterations on cybersex until their new subs start to dip, then they'll advertise it like they've got the cure for cancer. This year's theme instead of being "excellence" is now "Cash on Delivery."

Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO
Equinox Rising
Posted - 2011.03.30 07:53:00 - [53]
 

Checking in! I still have love for faction war, have been in it for a while now but it all seems to be getting a bit stale.

it has gone from regular small gang fun pvp to

"Who can fit a ship that is fast enough locking to catch that mission running bomber...."

come on CCP please just have a meeting about it at least and discuss whats wrong.... it would be a start!

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.30 09:15:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

I imagine they will HAVE to do something with factional warfare for DUST 514. But who knows when DUST 514 is coming out.


Don't count on it.

Webvan
Posted - 2011.03.30 09:22:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Har Harrison
I have a question for CCP. Did you miss the round table at Fan Fest for Faction Warfare?
ok this is just really lame. I'm 2 days into training an alt for FW, planning 30 to 100 days to train this year just for FW. I may as well just go back to training my highsec carebear character, while looking for another mmo that has factions as it's the only type of mmo pvp I like (lots of exp with it). I mean yeah I know it's broke here, ok, but not even showing up is just wrong. Part of why I got a sub for this game, a big part, was for factions, pvp was suppose to be great here. Someone lied, probably just to get free months in the buddy program, more scammers just like the 99.9% around Jita. This is just disappointing. Maybe I just wont show up for paying my sub next month Confused

Lost InCogneto
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.30 09:52:00 - [56]
 

very disapointing CCP - but us vets who have been here for almost 3 years are not supprised.

Just end the war if you dont intend to bother listening to what we from all 4 factions have been saying, trying to help improve fw and listen for once to the players that know what they are talking about. Put fw the forgoten unwanted child of eve out of its missary.

If not then open up a forum discussion on improvement and put your new CSM's to work.

' There is nothing left but to go forward and die hard '

Empyrean War turning friends to enemies and enemies to brothers


Do not fear that which you do not understand,
Instead embrace it, understand it ....
And you will fear it no more.
- Divine Commodore InCogneto - Griffin pilot

CCP Manifest


C C P
Posted - 2011.03.30 10:12:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Well, CCP?


Well, I can say I wasn't there. But I will check with the people who were listed on our end. Thanks for bringing this up.


Veshta Yoshida
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.30 10:18:00 - [58]
 

Oh my god! It speaks!

/me goes off to acquire the pike for when the requisite head comes off.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.30 10:52:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Well, CCP?


Well, I can say I wasn't there. But I will check with the people who were listed on our end. Thanks for bringing this up.




I got a post from CCP!!! I'm not sure what to say... Oh wait - got it!!!

"#winning"

Gangleri
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Posted - 2011.03.30 10:53:00 - [60]
 

A damn shame how CCP handles Factional Warfare. Lettings a large portion of its customers in the cold already for years and now even showing total disrespect by not showing up.



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