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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.08.11 17:10:00 - [511]
 

Originally by: Uriel Orestes
It would be a good idea to come up with a well structured post that lists in detail what the FWers feel are the main issues that make the system so horrid.....

What, again? We have been making those "well structured" posts for years to no avail .. they always degenerate into "Gief Moar Stuffz!" crap from the mission-whoring population.

Short:
- Plexing ridiculous, based solely on DT shuffle if :serious:. Can be done in a frigate, all of it.
- Occupancy does squat -> plexing meaningless.
- Pirate/Navy hulls a must unless solo-ninja-plexing.
- Missions too easy, solo bombers should not be possible.
- No RP input whatsoever for nearly two years.
- Alliances not able to participate.
- Huge discrepancies in geography (worst if looking at Amarr/Matar side).
- Etc. Etc. Ad nauseum.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.11 17:19:00 - [512]
 

Originally by: Uriel Orestes
It would be a good idea to come up with a well structured post that lists in detail what the FWers feel are the main issues that make the system so horrid.

Well written, though out discussions (unlike this post) are the only chance of getting CCP's attention at this point. Bumping this thread with vitriol for CCP dropping the ball is going to get nowhere or more Soon TM replies at the most.

If I didn't have a hectic RL, I'd write a post (complete with colors and formatting), but I just don't have the time to do the research and write up a good report. However, I think at least one of you in this thread has that time. And yes, I've been involved with FW for a year now, so I do feel all of your pain with how ****ty it is.


Here is a thread where I try to list the various ideas that have been brought up regarding fw:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1564233&page=1#1

I think going through that list would make for a decent roundtable discussion.

Paulize Dn'Injer
Posted - 2011.08.13 00:30:00 - [513]
 

Whoa, has there really been no round table? Pathetic. If this is the direction EVE has been heading lately I canít help but note the prevalent inept disregard. Get it together CCP -- all of you -- this is shameful.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.15 02:24:00 - [514]
 

Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer
Whoa, has there really been no round table? Pathetic. If this is the direction EVE has been heading lately I canít help but note the prevalent inept disregard. Get it together CCP -- all of you -- this is shameful.
I beleive someone from CCP DID turn up, but they had no idea about it. I beleive there was a scheduling conflict.
Either way - no meaningful discussion occured WITH CCP - just notes of what the players said was taken I think. Nothing has been heard since other then promises that CCP would follow up on FW, but even those promises haven't been followed up on...

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.17 17:21:00 - [515]
 

bump!

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.08.17 19:25:00 - [516]
 

Originally by: Flynn Fetladral
bump!


apparently you didn't read the Soundwave quote

stick a fork in this thread, its done

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.08.17 19:42:00 - [517]
 

Originally by: Karl Planck
Originally by: Flynn Fetladral
bump!


apparently you didn't read the Soundwave quote

stick a fork in this thread, its done

Hahahaha, I doubt SoundFail even knows that FW is in low-sec .. he probably thinks its some high-sec thing Smile

Either way, we have accepted a blog in exchange for being stood up at Fanfest, pretty big sacrifice on our part .. least they can do is honour the promise for reparations.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.17 21:50:00 - [518]
 

Actually I would be willing to bet they will work on FW. I had listened to a podcast soundwave was on and he was asked what he would most like to work on in eve. (or somethign like that) And he said he would like to work on FW. He has been my favorite dev ever since.

I do think CCP will get around to FW. It is a fairly obvious move that can boost subscription numbers much more than messing with null sec and dress up.

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.08.17 21:53:00 - [519]
 

It hasn't been 18 months yet. CCP is still wasting time and money on the carebear crap.

With no discernable increase in the active daily population too I might add.

Generals4
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.17 22:45:00 - [520]
 

Originally by: Tokyo Rose
It hasn't been 18 months yet. CCP is still wasting time and money on the carebear crap.

With no discernable increase in the active daily population too I might add.


Increasing the profitability of 0.0 botting is simply much more important than FW.

Ah well... 0.0 is CCP's favorite and High sec is where most players are, making of low sec the part of EVE that simply gets left out. They don't like us and we don't generate as much profit as high sec, we are doomed.

Lost InCogneto
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.18 12:21:00 - [521]
 

Im looking at coming to the next fan fest ...................... \o/

CCP can i count on some one being there to chat about fw and have a beer with or am i waisting my time coming all the way from australia ?

cheers
Lost

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.19 02:27:00 - [522]
 

Originally by: Lost InCogneto
Im looking at coming to the next fan fest ...................... \o/

CCP can i count on some one being there to chat about fw and have a beer with or am i waisting my time coming all the way from australia ?

cheers
Lost
If the devs are being given free beer, it MAY be a possibility I guess Very Happy

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.19 02:54:00 - [523]
 

I have started a Plex for FW thread that can be found here

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1567389

Hopefully that will get the beer needed for them to show up for Lost!!!

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:46:00 - [524]
 

Originally by: Har Harrison
I have started a Plex for FW thread that can be found here

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1567389

Hopefully that will get the beer needed for them to show up for Lost!!!
Fw was compteting with the nullsec alliance lolz by drawing away the critically needed thralls who make up the majority of any nullsec entitys power.

Go figure why ccp pulled the plug on fw.

Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2011.08.21 14:41:00 - [525]
 

Bump.

Maybe we'll get some bug fixes by this time next year. Maybe. [/hopelessoptimism]

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.26 02:14:00 - [526]
 

Just thought I would add a comment here...

So anyway - since FW isn't getting any attention, where are the FW uniforms being added so we can at least stand around in our Quarters and look in the mirror wearing official militia get up???

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.08.26 02:31:00 - [527]
 

Originally by: Har Harrison
Just thought I would add a comment here...

So anyway - since FW isn't getting any attention, where are the FW uniforms being added so we can at least stand around in our Quarters and look in the mirror wearing official militia get up???


FW is just one in a serious of broken lies by CCP.

The lesson of FW is: Never, ever, EVER, buy into CCP's hype. CCP are like pros on the street corner, they will say A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G to get your money.

"this is going to be awesome, we will keep improving on it and all that, for real we care about our customer's we are dedicated to excellence in iceland, keep giving us money we promise we'll do better this time"

"oh, whats that we dropped the ball? yeah about that, we still care we totally do, i just have to... talk to this guy down the hall.. that's it, he's going to make this all better i just need to talk to him but he's real busy. maybe next year or the year after? keep paying for the game though, changes are coming. btw did you see our new character high heels and trench-coats? just $99.95, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, let me tell you how to get more Aurum in your wallet!"

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.29 12:11:00 - [528]
 

@ Pr1ncess Alia


I'm not sure they lied about anything here. In June 2010, they said it would take 18 months before they would work on FW.

I and many others complained. And more than a few quit the game altogether upon hearing this news.

But I don't think you can also claim they lied. They told the truth.

In his latest interview CCP soundwave was hardly trying to hand out false promises regarding eve. However, he did say that FW was a high priority.

I think that is good news.

So I do think we should keep this thread at the forfront, but also post in some threads about what we actually want to have change in fw.

There are very different proposals out there. Some people want to make fw plexxing more of a pve activity with more and stronger npcs, or require people to shoot all of them etc. Others want to do away with the npcs in plexes altogether and make it exclusively a pvp activity.

For my part if they "fix" fw by making fw even more of a pve activity I would rather they not touch it.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.08.29 14:30:00 - [529]
 

Originally by: Cearain


In his latest interview CCP soundwave was hardly trying to hand out false promises regarding eve. However, he did say that FW was a high priority.

I think that is good news.



It such a high priority that:

- The new winter expansion is going to be (another) interation on 0.0
- This thread after a short attention of the devs (we will get back to you) was ignored
- No Questions regarding FW on any substance have been answered in the now dead "ask a dev thread"
- Not one dev commented on FW besides "its important" for months (years?) now

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.29 18:28:00 - [530]
 

Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Cearain


In his latest interview CCP soundwave was hardly trying to hand out false promises regarding eve. However, he did say that FW was a high priority.

I think that is good news.



It such a high priority that:

- The new winter expansion is going to be (another) interation on 0.0
- This thread after a short attention of the devs (we will get back to you) was ignored
- No Questions regarding FW on any substance have been answered in the now dead "ask a dev thread"
- Not one dev commented on FW besides "its important" for months (years?) now


I doubt they know what exactly they want to do with it. I mean they said in june 2010 that they wouldn't be able to work on it for 18 months. Someone went to fan fest 9 months later and didn't get any information. Well there probably wasn't any information to give.

Consider what would happen:
Player: will CCP require all the npcs to be shot in order to occupy a plex?
CCP: maybe maybe not we haven't really thoght through how we will change fw plexxing.
Player: Will CCP remove all the npcs from plexes and allow players to be notified when they are entered so that it can involve pvp instead of pve?
CCP: maybe maybe not we haven't really thoght through how we will change fw plexxing.

etc. etc.

I'm just as ticked as anyone, that ccp put off fw for incarna, wod, dust, and now another null sec expansion. But I just don't think its fair to say they lied about it. They told us they were putting it off for those reasons.

I think its fair to call them stupid for putting this part of the game aside for so long. But I don't think its fair to say they lied about it.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.30 23:56:00 - [531]
 

CCP Soundwave said at PAX that FW is a high priority. He also said low/FW would happen after the 0.0 revamp due to resources.

So how about some official feedback - what is the plan for FW CCP???

Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:53:00 - [532]
 

Until crime watch gets refactered and expanded low sec is a lost cause.

Team Gridlock has said publicly that Crimewatch is a high priorit once TiDi gets deployed. With first tests of that system Mid September we can hope that Team Gridlock will have Crime watch fixed in time that Team BFF can focus on lowsec in the spring and Team Gridlock can focus on POS'sRazz.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:11:00 - [533]
 

CCP:

FW R.I.P.

Rykuss
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:38:00 - [534]
 

It really is a shame, I'd considered an alt just for FW. Upon looking into it and talking to those with experience over the years though, why bother?

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:07:00 - [535]
 

Originally by: Rykuss
It really is a shame, I'd considered an alt just for FW. Upon looking into it and talking to those with experience over the years though, why bother?


Simply because it is the best place in teh game to get consistant fun med gang/small gang/solo pvp. Lots of things that could be improved. Could use some love. But hands down, this is the place to be for fun fights if you not a nullbear sheep and you don't love gatecamping.

There are lots of butthurt folks with regard to FW, but really, most people can't cut, pure and simple. FW is one of the few places I have seen blue balling used as a successful tactic to generate fights (i.e., blob too often and you'll never get to fight, see Cal/Gal malitia atm). IDK, i want improvements, but can't ignore that it ****ing rocks

What Isdees
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:17:00 - [536]
 

whats a nullbear? Isnt null dangerous an rife with ppl killin each other?

Wouldnt that make them PVPbears then?

Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:08:00 - [537]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Zulu agreed that there needs to be more dialogue from CCP about Factional Warfare--where we've been, where we are and where we are headed. Part of the dev team is going to sit down and hammer that out in some sort of meaningful format and we'll get that to you as soon as possible.


Post date: 2011.04.01
Current date: 2011.08.31
'As Soon as Possible': >5 months

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.31 10:29:00 - [538]
 

Originally by: Cearain


I doubt they know what exactly they want to do with it. I mean they said in june 2010 that they wouldn't be able to work on it for 18 months. Someone went to fan fest 9 months later and didn't get any information. Well there probably wasn't any information to give.




So why raise hopes by scheduling a round-table?

And do you really think that they will be starting work on fixing FW in January?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.31 10:31:00 - [539]
 

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Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2011.08.31 11:02:00 - [540]
 

I gotta say that, overall, i have found FW to be very disappointing. It is either mission runners in cloaky T3s or SBs and speedtank frigs who bounce the instant you enter system, or blobs permacamping a few central systems. Ideas...?

Make it possible for opposing players to cause mission failure by doing something in the mission

Give more incentive for people to PvP, and I dont mean permacamping the Auga station and/or Kourm stargate

And

Nerf the Drami... oh, wait.

1/3 aint bad...


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