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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.07.27 02:40:00 - [481]
 

Two months and no comment after being promised feedback... Come on CCP - the FW community wants some answers!!!

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.07.27 17:34:00 - [482]
 

Edited by: Cearain on 27/07/2011 17:36:28
Originally by: Flynn Fetladral
....Like 0.0, FW needs a rethink with some serious and comprehensive changes to many of its core features. FW + Low Sec need an expansion to themselves. I think the devs know this, but due to their current time table can't fit it in, so they don't talk about it at all. I can understand that FW and Low Sec are some of the least used parts of the game by players thus don't get much of a look in. However maybe it's indicative of the problem. No one is using it because it needs to be addressed by the devs to make it more attractive. It's ok that CCP can't address this right now, what is not ok is not being able to fix it and not talking about it with players, even if there was one bloody game designer assigned to talking to it's users and hashing out ideas so when CCP comes to finally do something about it much of the leg work is already done.


There is definitely a trype of player that fits well in low sec and fw. They are more casual players who like small gang pvp. We like the fact that eve is hardcore and you really lose things in the game but the idea of alarm clock ops or quitting my day job to play a computer game is not realistic.

CCP has ignored this group of players and i suspect they are leaving. But the thing is if they really made fw plexing deliver the awesome solo/small gang pvp it was meant to, they would see their numbers doubling in 3 years.

CCP lots of people would like fast paced pvp against other players (not just red xs). But the current mechanics make it so you either spend hours waiting for gangs to form and blob others(not somethign casual players can really do) or you run missions. All of this can be very boring stuff.

Give players who like solo/small gang pvp a single small bone - a single mechanic that caters to them - in new eden and your subscriptions will grow fast.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.07.27 17:47:00 - [483]
 

Oh yeah and if your reading this and like fw, vote issue 41 here:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1555249

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.07.28 09:53:00 - [484]
 

So whatcha think guys, should we just give up on this?

Perhaps it's best to give up now before CCP actually gives us hope...

Mary Astell
Posted - 2011.07.28 11:51:00 - [485]
 

FW is ok imo. I get plenty of pvp. The only thing is you have to adapt to your enemies. Later today i will be renaming my ship 'gallente control bunker' and remaining completely still.

Hopefully the caldari will think me a stationary npc target and actually engage instead of getting out of their ships and podding back to enaluri :p

In all seriousness though, within the boundaries of the game mechanics there is tons of pvp in FW, though there is a 'right time right place' element to it.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.07.28 12:20:00 - [486]
 

Originally by: Mary Astell
....In all seriousness though, within the boundaries of the game mechanics there is tons of pvp in FW, though there is a 'right time right place' element to it.


There is more than decent small scale pvp in fw than anywhere else in eve. But I wouldn't say there is tons of it. You can probably get one decent (not just a gank) fight every 2 hours.

IMO FW mechanics should yield 2-4 good small scale fights per hour. CCP should at least strive for that instead of thinking everyone has all day to wait for a fight.

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
Posted - 2011.07.30 17:25:00 - [487]
 

Originally by: Har Harrison
Two months and no comment after being promised feedback... Come on CCP - the FW community wants some answers!!!
Indeed.

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.30 18:16:00 - [488]
 


Major Atrocity
Posted - 2011.07.30 18:33:00 - [489]
 

fw is now a ****ing joke. its farmville with a eve theme

Lord Viziam
GunStars
Posted - 2011.07.30 19:04:00 - [490]
 

Originally by: Ciar Meara
So whatcha think guys, should we just give up on this?

Perhaps it's best to give up now before CCP actually gives us hope...


yes! for christ's sake yes! I'm sick of seeing this stupid thread! CCP isn't going to fix anything any time soon. deal with it!

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.07.30 19:37:00 - [491]
 

Originally by: John Cleese
It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand.


Having been in FW and only FW since deciding to give up the lifestyle of a high-sec mission running carebear, I can honestly say that I have accepted FW as what it is.

FW is a place where you can make 100 mil isk an hour under the constant threat of getting ganked (which is kinda fun.)

You can also find fights quickly and easily (though a majority of the time, they are fights where the odds are not in your favor.)

Everything else about FW is unfinished and broken. And, I think it would just make a lot of people rest easy if CCP would state that their focus has shifted and they will most likely not be returning to FW. Then we could carry on without threat of having our hopes inevitably dashed against the jagged rocks of "this new thing is more important."

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.07.31 11:09:00 - [492]
 

Originally by: Lord Viziam
Originally by: Ciar Meara
So whatcha think guys, should we just give up on this?

Perhaps it's best to give up now before CCP actually gives us hope...


yes! for christ's sake yes! I'm sick of seeing this stupid thread! CCP isn't going to fix anything any time soon. deal with it!
Thanks for sharing, but it isn't going anywhere...

Deal with it!!!

Major Atrocity
Posted - 2011.07.31 11:22:00 - [493]
 

What needs fixing is...

- using alts to avoid faction losses to apposing empires
- using alts of apposing factions to run missions knowing that when they attack the "alt" they loose standing ( ir amarr alt in npc corp gets shot at by amarr fw pilots the amarr pilots loose standings. )
- Amarr npcs need to do whatthey know best. Neuting at 40+ km.
- ships with covert ops cloaking devices cannot enter fw acelleration gates, this should stem the tide of stealth bombers online.


thats about alli have to add.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.31 13:02:00 - [494]
 

Originally by: Major Atrocity
...

- If you see someone using a non-militia alt to run missions petition him. They can be used to tank missions but not complete them (as per last round of petitions).
- Balancing NPC's so everyone faces the same challenge is enough, slapping more (yes, more they already have some) neuts on Amarr's doesn't do anything as an AB uses negligible cap.
- Just make cloaking impossible in DED space, primary value of cloakies would then be slightly safer transit. Probably interferes with crap in null though and they are very fond of their gimmicky grief mechanics so won't happen.

Also, BUMP!

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.07.31 14:44:00 - [495]
 

Stemming the tide of people running missions will not really fix what needs fixing. If people want to farm isk they will do it else where and leave low sec a bit more empty.

CCP needs to make plexing fun. That means making it pvp not pve. Let militia players know when plexes are entered!

Here is a proposal that will do just that:


http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.08.01 15:38:00 - [496]
 

Edited by: Karl Planck on 01/08/2011 15:40:15
BUMP

we want what you promised

FW is alive and well, treat it as such

I have been having a f*cking blast in eve, but i must admit this dismissal is annoying

*Edit: I know what we need to do here. Make this thread about ponies. Where is the ponies crew? FW ponies maybe? I would rather see this thread locked for being off topic than to see it constantly ignored

Erik Finnegan
Gallente
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
Posted - 2011.08.02 11:52:00 - [497]
 

Not iterating on FW is the most disappointing of all abandonned features. Even worm-holes, while having potential for more game play, are more ok, since the features they provide do not cry for iteration and balancing as much.

So, iterating on FW I would like to see. Though I do not find the crowd sourcing results very much in favour of FW...

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.08.02 12:14:00 - [498]
 

Originally by: Erik Finnegan
...So, iterating on FW I would like to see. Though I do not find the crowd sourcing results very much in favour of FW...

FW doesn't need iteration, it needs a complete overhaul.
Since team BFF seems to be the only flexible crew they have, with the rest following whatever release schedule there is, is it any wonder that people have given up on getting through?

Blueballed at Fanfest -> promised blog/statement as consolation -> blueballed on consolation prize ...
That is the problem we have, hard as hell getting people riled up if one never gets any feedback Sad

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.02 22:23:00 - [499]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Erik Finnegan
...So, iterating on FW I would like to see. Though I do not find the crowd sourcing results very much in favour of FW...

FW doesn't need iteration, it needs a complete overhaul.
Since team BFF seems to be the only flexible crew they have, with the rest following whatever release schedule there is, is it any wonder that people have given up on getting through?

Blueballed at Fanfest -> promised blog/statement as consolation -> blueballed on consolation prize ...
That is the problem we have, hard as hell getting people riled up if one never gets any feedback Sad

Maybe we need to get the various Militia's to sit in their respective high sec trade hub (Jita, Amarr etc...) and shoot statues etc... in protest to make CCP listen???

I tried a CCP Soundwave callout thread as well to try and boost the visability since he was the 3rd reply to the 0.0 call out one...
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1560214
No CCP response yet - though some continued support...

dgastuffz
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:21:00 - [500]
 

so with the latest dev blog we can give up on FW its over out

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:36:00 - [501]
 

Edited by: Cearain on 03/08/2011 19:37:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DisZ6qmNdbo&feature=related

Super Chair
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:52:00 - [502]
 

With "feature abadonment" a topic in the csm minutes I'm fairly certain ccp will just ignore us instead of outright say that they won't be doing any more development for FW so we stay subscribed and continue being milked...

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.04 23:04:00 - [503]
 

Well, I've been doing a bit of FW plexing with some of the Amarr Militia guys the last few nights - has been kinda ok.
Sure would be nice if we had something to talk about regarding IMPROVEMENTS to FW though CCP....

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.08 23:22:00 - [504]
 

Yup - this IS still alive Very Happy

Super Chair
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:19:00 - [505]
 

a bump for the children in the broomcloset turned gas chamber.

Acrior
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:21:00 - [506]
 

So what we do is end the war and exploit the massive FW mission rewards so CCP will have to look it at... right?
Right?
Crying or Very sad

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:19:00 - [507]
 

Originally by: Acrior
So what we do is end the war and exploit the massive FW mission rewards so CCP will have to look it at... right?
Right?
Crying or Very sad
Well, that is one option. Stop FW being a sink and turn the faucet on as far as it will go... Though they will probably just decide to fix the issue by nerfing the missions knowing CCP Razz

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.11 16:11:00 - [508]
 

Here is a thread where I try to list the various ideas that have been brought up regarding fw:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1564233&page=1#1

I think going through that list would make for a decent roundtable discussion.

Malkev
Posted - 2011.08.11 16:33:00 - [509]
 

Edited by: Malkev on 11/08/2011 16:33:35
Originally by: CCP Manifest
couple days time

Originally by: CCP Manifest
It'll come shortly...You've been patient for this long...just a week or so longer please.

Originally by: CCP Manifest
as soon as possible.


Originally by: CCP Manifest
Perhaps later on

Originally by: CCP Manifest
near future.

Soon™ at its finest.

I don't even care about FW, but this is just ridiculous.

Uriel Orestes
Posted - 2011.08.11 16:42:00 - [510]
 

It would be a good idea to come up with a well structured post that lists in detail what the FWers feel are the main issues that make the system so horrid.

Well written, though out discussions (unlike this post) are the only chance of getting CCP's attention at this point. Bumping this thread with vitriol for CCP dropping the ball is going to get nowhere or more Soon TM replies at the most.

If I didn't have a hectic RL, I'd write a post (complete with colors and formatting), but I just don't have the time to do the research and write up a good report. However, I think at least one of you in this thread has that time. And yes, I've been involved with FW for a year now, so I do feel all of your pain with how ****ty it is.


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