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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.15 18:05:00 - [451]
 

Aren't you guys in low-sec? That was Mynxee's baby. You won't get **** all from soundwave. He's Mittens' brosef.

"I’ll tell you where it starts though: 0.0."

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.15 18:50:00 - [452]
 

More from soundwave: "We have a pretty good tradition of building on stuff we’ve released,"

You guys would agree with that, wouldn't you?

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.07.15 18:59:00 - [453]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
More from soundwave: "We have a pretty good tradition of building on stuff we’ve released,"

You guys would agree with that, wouldn't you?


with regard to 0.0, yes it gets built on all the time. Sadly, not with FW among other.

HOWEVER, i still love FW. I just know they can make it better

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.16 17:06:00 - [454]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
In case ya'll missed the "ASK EVE" thread response...there's no need to bump. It'll come shortly after Soundwave returns from Russia and we can sit down together. I told you I can't quit you!

You've been patient for this long...just a week or so longer please.


That was May 13. Has it been a week yet?

(I don't think FW fits within goons' plans for the game guys, sorry 'bout that.)

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.07.18 07:22:00 - [455]
 

Edited by: Ciar Meara on 18/07/2011 07:22:03
I'v been watching and posting in this thread but neither this one or the "ask a dev" has received the attention it deserves so it should get noticed some more I think.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.18 11:55:00 - [456]
 

Yes, it definitely needs more attention.

Bengal Bob
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.20 08:56:00 - [457]
 

bump

mkint
Posted - 2011.07.20 09:20:00 - [458]
 

Edited by: mkint on 20/07/2011 09:25:56
what's in it for goons?

edit: nothing's in it for goons, and there's no way to MT it. FW is deader than Steve Irwin, and will eventually take the rest of EVE with it.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.21 13:36:00 - [459]
 

Originally by: mkint
Edited by: mkint on 20/07/2011 09:25:56
what's in it for goons?

edit: nothing's in it for goons, and there's no way to MT it. FW is deader than Steve Irwin, and will eventually take the rest of EVE with it.


A well-designed FW would be attractive to lots of pubbies, who would then leave 0.0, which in turn would increase the dominance of the Goons out there.

Super Chair
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.07.22 03:16:00 - [460]
 

Hey did CCP Manifest/Soundwave ever get around to posting about FW on the devs answer your every question thread (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1508537&page=2)? Been about two months since you guys last gave us an update that you're going to be delayed.... (hopefully too busy working on awesome new FW stuff...one can only hope ^^) Another update would be appreciated.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.22 16:29:00 - [461]
 

Page three, .. I think NOT!
Originally by: Super Chair
Hey did CCP Manifest/Soundwave ever get around to posting about FW on the devs answer your every question thread...

Not really, has been some scattered replies related to FW but none of the big questions have been answered yet.

Also the little matter of the promised blog en lieu of the fanfest fiasco .. my guess is that they can't agree on who's head to sacrifice to the mob which is what will happen when they say "no further development, working as intended"

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.07.22 16:52:00 - [462]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Page three, .. I think NOT!
Originally by: Super Chair
Hey did CCP Manifest/Soundwave ever get around to posting about FW on the devs answer your every question thread...

Not really, has been some scattered replies related to FW but none of the big questions have been answered yet.

Also the little matter of the promised blog en lieu of the fanfest fiasco .. my guess is that they can't agree on who's head to sacrifice to the mob which is what will happen when they say "no further development, working as intended"


So, another question then. Did Soundwave ever talk about FW in that EVE radio interview yesterday?

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.07.22 18:17:00 - [463]
 

I think I can consider this a wet dream but I wish CCP would make a blog on an update about faction warfare and other big features they released. lol

John Caesse
Caldari
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.07.22 23:29:00 - [464]
 

When the waterpark is broken, the main focus should obviously be on the kiddie pool.

Fullmetal Jackass
Posted - 2011.07.23 01:20:00 - [465]
 

Originally by: John Caesse
When the waterpark is broken, the main focus should obviously be on the kiddie pool.
So running anoms in null is the big kids play ground?

Alba Miri
Jin-Mei National Council
Posted - 2011.07.23 09:46:00 - [466]
 

Originally by: Syekuda
I think I can consider this a wet dream but I wish CCP would make a blog on an update about faction warfare and other big features they released.
Yes...

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.24 19:53:00 - [467]
 

CCP Homonoia, you've actually made some decent (ad hominems aside) efforts at communicating lately. Could you at least confirm that CCP lied about addressing (through actions, not words) customer concerns with FW and put these poor bastards out of their misery?

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.24 20:16:00 - [468]
 

Yeah please can we get some more information!!!!!?

Super Chair
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.07.25 06:48:00 - [469]
 

In the meantime I suppose we can get everyone we know to vote for FW stuff for the crowdsourcing (and maybe outpost destruction and ship balances :D )

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.25 07:41:00 - [470]
 

Originally by: Super Chair
In the meantime I suppose we can get everyone we know to vote for FW stuff for the crowdsourcing (and maybe outpost destruction and ship balances :D )


Yes I actually spent sometime trying to count how many FW votes had be cast so far. The problem is that there is a lot of FW stuff in the list everyone should look to vote for the same one or all of them so we can get the most points behind them. I voted for 41 as it seemed like the best option to cover FW as a whole, 44 is good too. So go with 41 or 44 or both I'd say.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.25 08:37:00 - [471]
 

Won't matter. We have had hundreds/thousands of people vote for FW related issues since the crowd-sourcing began to no avail.
Previous two CSM have been pretty vocal on it as well and have submitted loads of concerns over the years (reason for the high number of topics on list).

There is no easy fix so it involves :effort:, which unfortunately means that work won't begin until after pigs takes to the skies and the denizens of Hell are frolicking in the snow.

Runnin Through
Posted - 2011.07.25 08:39:00 - [472]
 

Originally by: Flynn Fetladral
Originally by: Super Chair
In the meantime I suppose we can get everyone we know to vote for FW stuff for the crowdsourcing (and maybe outpost destruction and ship balances :D )


Yes I actually spent sometime trying to count how many FW votes had be cast so far. The problem is that there is a lot of FW stuff in the list everyone should look to vote for the same one or all of them so we can get the most points behind them. I voted for 41 as it seemed like the best option to cover FW as a whole, 44 is good too. So go with 41 or 44 or both I'd say.



They don't care about fw anymore, there are so many FW stuff in this vote so they won't have to care about fw in the future either. Move on.

Aodha Khan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.25 09:22:00 - [473]
 

Originally by: Runnin Through

They don't care about Eve anymore, there are so many Eve stuff in this vote so they won't have to care about Eve in the future either. Move on.


Fixed for you. Twisted Evil

Umbriele
Gallente
Natural Inventions
Solyaris Chtonium
Posted - 2011.07.25 11:24:00 - [474]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
I've talked it over with a few people, including the event scheduler and a couple people from design. There was basically a terrible, inexcusable miscommunication where the session had loosely been decided upon beforehand as a topic, but nobody had properly affirmed their attendance on the dev side.

In the madness leading up to and during Fanfest something is bound to go wrong. Regrettably, CCP's attendance at the FW session was one of the few things that did. So, I'm talking to some of the people that could possibly have been at a FW session to figure out how to make it up to the people who went to the session but found it unmanned. More on this hopefully in a couple days time at the latest.

I'm also waiting to hear back from CCP Gilsev, the CCPer who did attend the session (as mentioned above), but who works on the content team and had nothing to do with FW other than having general knowledge about it. He has been at a team offsite in Iceland ever since Fanfest, so hope to hear from him tomorrow. I want to get his notes and thoughts to at least be able to pick up the conversation had there on these boards.

CCP Krisnitori, one of the main organizers of Fanfest, expressed extreme regret to me and by proxy to you guys, for not properly handling this session before Fanfest. She did a fantastic job with everything else as far as I can see, but she admits a definite fail in this area.

Again, sorry from CCP. We know what a blue ball it is to travel to Fanfest to speak about something you really care about in EVE and then to be hit with a brick wall. Hopefully some generative discussion was had about FW that can continue here apart from the justified indignation.



I bet no ones missed to drink a beer or something tho

Because Of Door
Posted - 2011.07.25 11:59:00 - [475]
 

I did FW for several months over a year ago, hoping to get in on some fun and cheap PvP. The fleets ended up being blob-fests or station games, so I resorted to chasing mission runners, which turned out to be more trouble than it was worth with them all flying stealth bombers or cloaky tengus. So I ended up just running missions, cashing in some 10m LP at the end.

From my experience, there was little incentive for small scale PVP (which is how it was pushed at the beginning), some of this is down to the players and some (not all) of the FW corps seemingly bringing a 0.0 mentality to it - bigger blobs - until no-one fights at all, or just ran away all the time. You did occassionaly get some large or interesting fights, but that was the exception. There are so many smack-talkers who are actually just risk-averse it is incredible (more than I thought tbh).

The neglect by CCP, and the feeling that they never got the mechanics right, reinforces the risk-averse nature of many players. Free faction frigate replacement as long as you have been in FW for more than a week, or achieved a certain rank would be good, and possibly encourage more risk & small fights. Maybe make the frigate given in this way unsellable/non-reprocessable on the market/contracts.

Obviously, there are many other issues as many have pointed out too.


Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.26 10:47:00 - [476]
 

I wish that CCP would just come out and admit that they have no intention of fixing FW.

As John Cleese once said, it's not the despair. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand.

Diabol Ique
Posted - 2011.07.26 11:04:00 - [477]
 

Originally by: Because Of Door
I did FW for several months over a year ago, hoping to get in on some fun and cheap PvP. The fleets ended up being blob-fests or station games, so I resorted to chasing mission runners, which turned out to be more trouble than it was worth with them all flying stealth bombers or cloaky tengus. So I ended up just running missions, cashing in some 10m LP at the end.

From my experience, there was little incentive for small scale PVP (which is how it was pushed at the beginning), some of this is down to the players and some (not all) of the FW corps seemingly bringing a 0.0 mentality to it - bigger blobs - until no-one fights at all, or just ran away all the time. You did occassionaly get some large or interesting fights, but that was the exception. There are so many smack-talkers who are actually just risk-averse it is incredible (more than I thought tbh).




That's unfortunate, because I did FW when it first came out, and at least my experiences were the opposite of yours. Fun small gang frigate/cruiser fights, with the rare BC/BS if people had holes in their pockets. I quit EVE a couple years ago, before you did FW, so I'm saddened that one of the main reasons I'm coming back has been warped and twisted into something a former shade of itself. I became hopeful when I started reading this thread, seeing all the promises made, until I noticed those post dates. No word since May, especially after screwing up the fanfest panel? Wow, way to really drop the ball there CCP.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.26 13:45:00 - [478]
 

The first 6-12 months were pure awesome. It was brand new (thus exciting) and CCP had people working on tweaks, events and bug-squashing.
Then the Next Big Thing™ came along and all resources were diverted elsewhere, went so far as to make bug-squashing part of 'normal' rotation ..

FW is a great concept but with lousy implementation .. like a steam engine made of tin, biggest damn thing ever made but falls apart when actually put to use Sad

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.26 14:36:00 - [479]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
The first 6-12 months were pure awesome. It was brand new (thus exciting) and CCP had people working on tweaks, events and bug-squashing.
Then the Next Big Thing™ came along and all resources were diverted elsewhere, went so far as to make bug-squashing part of 'normal' rotation ..

FW is a great concept but with lousy implementation .. like a steam engine made of tin, biggest damn thing ever made but falls apart when actually put to use Sad


Pretty much this I'd say. If your going to build a system where you wont be doing anything with it for a long time it has to be totally robust from the outset. Like 0.0, FW needs a rethink with some serious and comprehensive changes to many of its core features. FW + Low Sec need an expansion to themselves. I think the devs know this, but due to their current time table can't fit it in, so they don't talk about it at all. I can understand that FW and Low Sec are some of the least used parts of the game by players thus don't get much of a look in. However maybe it's indicative of the problem. No one is using it because it needs to be addressed by the devs to make it more attractive. It's ok that CCP can't address this right now, what is not ok is not being able to fix it and not talking about it with players, even if there was one bloody game designer assigned to talking to it's users and hashing out ideas so when CCP comes to finally do something about it much of the leg work is already done.

dgastuffz
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.07.26 15:04:00 - [480]
 

this is ccp´s communication on it finest
well done ccp


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