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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.08 04:28:00 - [361]
 

Seeing the plex spawning issue was fixed within a few weeks of Incursions release.....

Couldn't someone just copy over the fixed code back to FactionWar from Incursions.

They are the same thing after all.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.06.08 07:43:00 - [362]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai

Hell even make it slowly rise in sec status and allow it to shift into highsec. That way the FW pilots could then continue to fight for the system w/o interference from pirates/others.



If FW allowed true change in sovereignty along a sec status scale, then it would be truly interesting.

Eg: A system starts out as a Gallente 0.8. Successive Caldari victories could lower the sec to 0.5. At this point there would be some kind of "milestone event"[...]

The whole process would take weeks, but it would give the FW teams a genuine reason to fight, it would make FW relevant to the rest of the game, and it would allow the players to redesign the map (albeit extremely gradually).


Originally by: Har Harrison
Originally by: Moolti
Speaking for myself and not The Electus Matari:

I would love to do more for FW. Right now we have to have individual corps drop alliance to join FW. I would love for Alliances to have a better way of joining FW.

I tried FW for a while, but while in FW it's all I could do. There was very little way to do anything else. In order to do other stuff, I had to leave FW. Once I left FW, it was easy to stay out of it, and hard to "go do FW for a little bit".


It seems to me that the treaty mechanic that has been proposed in the past by CCP would be an excellent way of allowing FW and RP allainces to interact.
[...] This could allow CVA or UK for example to have a larger involvement with the militia without the issues of gcc.


Originally by: Othran
I have an alt in FW - just to bump standings really.

Don't really see anyone looking for fights.

This is DT +/- 3 hours, which I appreciate is quiet but its the same time period I played in a couple of years ago. Its just wall to wall mission runners now.

To be brutally frank I see more FW people fighting in npc null than I do in Heim/Met/Devoid/Bleak Lands.




Originally by: Veshta Yoshida

FW is currently the best place outside of null to pew and get easy ISK, the amount of failscade/disillusioned null corps that come through our doors is staggering.

Not only do they get wallets fattened up but they get to practice/indulge in small scale warfare and pick up competent pilots before heading back out.
Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
...


Well said Admiral. The RP potential is immense, almost all currently active RP elements in Eve have dabbled in or are keeping tabs/assisting FW in one way or another.
Originally by: Har Harrison
Team BFF definately can fix a number of the bugs one would hope...

Not sure there is really that much they can do actually. Most of FW is a mash-up of code from elsewhere (exploration, missions etc.) so they would have to track effects of changes across all the related code ..
Note that practically all the heinous bugs (cloaking capture, auto-run timers etc) we have suffered from over the years were a direct result of a change somewhere else that *wrecking* on the mash-up ..


Originally by: Lord Meriak
What alot of fw would like to see is :

Unable to cloak up inside a mission.

System to mean something, Get rid of the bunker and have Conquerable Station's, When the station is taken the agent is then offline.Making some systems key systems because of the agent inside.

The station should only let that faction dock.

We also like If a member of the miltia member is attacked they get small standing hit to that faction.All fw member taking hits to the factions we attack but neutral can hunt fw then go and park in ie: jita / amarr, making neutral rp allince's and not just say we pick a side.

This would be hard on the codes writer's but when this game started everyone said it could not be done the game was a trailer & not game play, we want that ccp back.


All quoted for great truth and justice. While not all these suggestiosn are wise or even easily implemented they do show a way forward.

So perhaps the CCP team BFF should do less "scrumming" and "thinking on FW" and more implementing of ideas.Because let's be honest, These guys above me know what they are talking about and most CCP devs these days do not when it concerns FW.

I play FW to since I left CVA but the lack of fight and purpose has left me with very little joy so far. And I am a Roleplayer since the start of EVE (Day 4 I think).

Veshta Yoshida
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.10 11:59:00 - [363]
 

Stupid Dust spam threads, pushes the important stuff to page seven .. Grrrrrrrr.
Originally by: CCP Manifest (#136)
..That aside, Zulu agreed that there needs to be more dialogue from CCP about Factional Warfare--where we've been, where we are and where we are headed. Part of the dev team is going to sit down and hammer that out in some sort of meaningful format and we'll get that to you as soon as possible.

How is that coming or is you blog schedule on a 18 month clock as well?
FW remains one of the biggest draws judging from the amount of new threads every day asking about advice, give us something .. anything and we'll look into getting your shoes resoled for free (dragging feet .. get it? Very Happy)

Lyra Beloqua
Posted - 2011.06.10 12:44:00 - [364]
 

Originally by: Onis Reborn

Faction Warfare could and should be a major warzone for relatively new players to get into some fleets and go have at opposing factions, building a better sense of the roleplaying side of the game, and giving players new to PvP an outlet to get their feet wet. Currently its just go to low-sec/null-sec, get blown up, don't understand why, rage at PvP.



This! As a new player who's afraid to get into the ruthless PVP of Eve, I'd love a more "casual" way to get used to it, you know, getting scratches and bleeds here and there without getting my whole leg chopped off.

Lord Kazuhiro
Caldari
Amarr Empire Shipyards
Posted - 2011.06.10 14:58:00 - [365]
 

Confirming I'm one more person who actually cares about FW and would like to see it improved/fixed/expanded.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.10 15:40:00 - [366]
 

I wanted to jump in and say that part of me is praying that CCP has something in mind for Faction Warfare, with the upcoming advent of Dust 514.

I am probably not the only one who was blown away by how close Dust 514 actually is, obviously CCP has been working hard and saying NOTHING for a long time, I had no idea they had working builds with Dust on Tranq, with a release next year.

I wonder how this spills over into some of these areas where inquiries have been rampant and answers few... Take sovereignty questions - nullsec junkies have been screaming about broken Sov for a while, now its obvious CCP has intentionally been tight-lipped because Dust 514 is a major part of their sov work, and they weren't at liberty to say so and thus were accused of being lazy. :-P

Perhaps Faction Warfare too, will see a new line of scrimmage with the release of Dust. If CCP is going to link system control to planets, maybe this means that we will have a new way to take territory from the Amarr besides plexing. This seems entirely feasible, using same mechanics they will use for nullsec sov.

And IF that were the case (I'm praying it is, or that a CCP dev sees this and passes on the idea!!) it would explain their refusal to say anything about FW revamps the last couple years.

TL, DR: Lets give CCP benefit of the doubt and assume some of the secrecy about all the stuff people haven't gotten answers on yet, means that its linked to Dust 514 and they've been under non-disclosure.

Katrina Cortez
Posted - 2011.06.10 16:20:00 - [367]
 

The problem isnt with faction warfare... its really much bigger than that. CCP has no follow through or commitment to the expansions they have created.

Bengal Bob
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.06.13 08:37:00 - [368]
 

Still waiting for answers now DUST publicity is out the way

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.14 02:58:00 - [369]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 14/06/2011 03:04:50
I have an email basically telling me it's the first they've heard of plex spawning bug (just lol) and they'll look into it after AT.

I don't really believe it but meh, took mention of Ombudsman to get past the first 20 emails.

mkint
Posted - 2011.06.14 03:18:00 - [370]
 

Is CCP still ignoring this thread? I haven't checked on it in about a month. Long after CCP gave up on the pretense for caring about anything but $.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.06.14 03:25:00 - [371]
 

Originally by: mkint
Is CCP still ignoring this thread? I haven't checked on it in about a month. Long after CCP gave up on the pretense for caring about anything but $.


Seems that they are... Still waiting for something on the considered response that CCP are planning to give...

mkint
Posted - 2011.06.14 03:32:00 - [372]
 

Originally by: Har Harrison
Originally by: mkint
Is CCP still ignoring this thread? I haven't checked on it in about a month. Long after CCP gave up on the pretense for caring about anything but $.


Seems that they are... Still waiting for something on the considered response that CCP are planning to give...


It's looking like "oh we're so sorry you found out we'd prefer to remove FW from the game altogether pleasedontquit" is about all the response this is gonna get. If you play EVE for FW, you probably shouldn't be. If you play EVE "for what it may someday be" you definitely shouldn't be.

Scanner717
Posted - 2011.06.18 02:42:00 - [373]
 

After reading dev blogs and random posts from the forums and other sites(k), That is is abundantly clear that any content not connected to the aurum store will not generate income in CCP's eyes, the subscription model for doing business is dead and they need to migrate the players over to the new aurum store ASAP. Any content for the old subscription based game is both an waste of manhours, as the 15 USD is the same wether they try or not, and a potential cost of new customers, If the hate Eve they'll go to Dust514. So I say in protest we should all create accounts on the Serenity server and kill chinese players.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.18 04:05:00 - [374]
 

Originally by: mkint
If you play EVE for FW, you probably shouldn't be. If you play EVE "for what it may someday be" you definitely shouldn't be.


Excuse me? And just who are you to determine what fun means to me? I play FW for what it is. I have hopes for what it could be, and I certainly think its worth development time, but I am also realistic. CCP has a lot of other proposed stuff. There are many, many of us who have been in the militia for a long time by choice. It exists, and is still fun, because of the friends we fly with and the enemies we enjoy killing.

If you think there's a right and a wrong way to play Eve, you're probably not doing it right.

For many pilots, Faction Warfare still offers some of the most steady, competitive, enjoyable non-blob warfare around. And you know what? It would be a lot more fun if all the pilots who bailed waiting for CCP to "fix" something they considered "broken" actually stayed around and participated.

As with most things in eve, it all boils down to participation. And the more we sit and troll CCP for ****ting on FW, the more we discourage people from participating, which makes it suck far worse than anything CCP could do / not do to screw it up.

Those that actually want to see FW improve do far more by offering respectful, constructive ideas, than sitting around whining that CCP doesnt love them. CCP will love you less the more you whine.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.18 04:32:00 - [375]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: mkint
If you play EVE for FW, you probably shouldn't be. If you play EVE "for what it may someday be" you definitely shouldn't be.


Excuse me? And just who are you to determine what fun means to me?


Missed his point. Not telling you how to play. Telling you waiting for CCP to feed you more bull**** is not productive.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.06.20 02:32:00 - [376]
 

Just thought I would post (again) about wanting to know what is going on with CCP and their FW intentions...

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.20 06:45:00 - [377]
 

Bumping this thread.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:11:00 - [378]
 

I just read through the Incarna 1.0 patch notes. Well the good news is that CCP have made some improvements to FW. The bad news is that the below list appears to be all that has been done

  • Factional Warfare NPCs now care about defending against their allies enemies

While this change is good, how about fixing the plex spawning issue so that the NPCs are there to care about defending against their allies enemies???

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:59:00 - [379]
 

Originally by: Har Harrison
I just read through the Incarna 1.0 patch notes. Well the good news is that CCP have made some improvements to FW. The bad news is that the below list appears to be all that has been done

  • Factional Warfare NPCs now care about defending against their allies enemies

While this change is good, how about fixing the plex spawning issue so that the NPCs are there to care about defending against their allies enemies???


At least it something they could do quickly without to much hassle and did.

Perhaps we'll see more after the patching week and now that there are no more Denial of service attacks?

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.21 16:11:00 - [380]
 

Until they actually take a few devs and assign them to fw, it will remain broken.

Chris Fierce
Caldari
NoD Imperium
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:07:00 - [381]
 

Quote:
Posted - 2011.05.12 17:37:00 - CCP Manifest [35]
******************************
FACTIONAL WARFARE STUFF

There were many questions. Many. I will be working with Soundwave to get answers for you (not a new effort), yet there will be a slight delay though as right now he's headed to a player meetup in Moscow with CCP Daishi, Molock and Spitfire.
Please bear with us.
******************************



Still, still waiting. Rolling Eyes

Flyinghotpocket
ASPIRE Commandos
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:19:00 - [382]
 

Now that super cool station walking is well on its way. Hows about putting 10 guys onto fixing FW. Who noes you MIGHT get a **** load more subscribers if my buddies hear they fixed the reason that they quit, over 33k characters enlisted in militia.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.21 22:53:00 - [383]
 

Originally by: Har Harrison
I just read through the Incarna 1.0 patch notes. Well the good news is that CCP have made some improvements to FW. The bad news is that the below list appears to be all that has been done

  • Factional Warfare NPCs now care about defending against their allies enemies




This is excellent. Flyinghotpocket, CCP has taken pity upon thee and now you'll finally have some opponents tuned to your skill level. Hopefully the NPC's will enjoy the sheer pleasure ROFL-stomping you that us pod people do (over and over and over and over again).

The downside though, is that by fighting NPC's there will be no killmails for you to tamper with so you can fake your combat record and pretend you kill imaginary [AUTOZ] titans.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.06.21 23:03:00 - [384]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: Har Harrison
I just read through the Incarna 1.0 patch notes. Well the good news is that CCP have made some improvements to FW. The bad news is that the below list appears to be all that has been done

  • Factional Warfare NPCs now care about defending against their allies enemies



This is excellent. Flyinghotpocket, CCP has taken pity upon thee and now you'll finally have some opponents tuned to your skill level. Hopefully the NPC's will enjoy the sheer pleasure ROFL-stomping you that us pod people do (over and over and over and over again).

The downside though, is that by fighting NPC's there will be no killmails for you to tamper with so you can fake your combat record and pretend you kill imaginary [AUTOZ] titans.

Going to chuck out the obligatory "You mad" meme hereVery Happy It will serve to bump the threadWink

failpirate
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.21 23:10:00 - [385]
 

i was going to post something about sandwiches, but instead i'll express my support for this thread. fw wants some love from ccp.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.21 23:17:00 - [386]
 

Originally by: Har Harrison

Going to chuck out the obligatory "You mad" meme hereVery Happy It will serve to bump the threadWink


Hahahaha. Mad? No.

Much of this thread has revolved around debate as to why players stick around in FW long-term after CCP has "abandoned" it. Pocket is one of them.

Killing pocket repeatedly has become almost routine, but remains a potent source of Minmatar entertainment. It wouldn't be the same without the QQ he brings to the table!



Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.06.22 02:22:00 - [387]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: Har Harrison

Going to chuck out the obligatory "You mad" meme hereVery Happy It will serve to bump the threadWink


Hahahaha. Mad? No.

Much of this thread has revolved around debate as to why players stick around in FW long-term after CCP has "abandoned" it. Pocket is one of them.

Killing pocket repeatedly has become almost routine, but remains a potent source of Minmatar entertainment. It wouldn't be the same without the QQ he brings to the table!




I said it was obligatory Laughing

I agree that FW seems to have far more interest then it may at seem to otherwise warrant - mostly due to players driving it.

Hentes Zsemle
Posted - 2011.06.25 08:38:00 - [388]
 

So.... have soundwave returned from russia?

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.25 23:42:00 - [389]
 

Originally by: Hentes Zsemle
So.... have soundwave returned from russia?


I'm pretty sure Soundwave is being guarded by CCP's version of the secret service right now...he probably has body doubles, never leaves his apartment, and is on 24 hour suicide watch.

I wouldn't expect an answer from him any time soon.


I can only hope that CCP resumes answering in the "answer all your questions" thread, and follows through on commitments to get those covered, even if Soundwave is in a ....."delicate".....situation right now.


Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:39:00 - [390]
 

Still waiting ....


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