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Meridius Dex
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.05.24 20:54:00 - [301]
 

Originally by: Half ****ed Jack
Want my last action ever on EVE / EVE forums to be bumping this thread. FW was the greatest fun I ever had in my years of playing this game, and still have a lot of good friends involved. Fix it for them, hmm?
Me, as well. My sub is canceled (8 days left and I've already stopped playing weeks back), with FW given as the reason for doing so (along with chronic ship balancing issues cited). FW was the most fun I had playing EVE back when the expansion was first introduced. It's broken now and I've lost all interest in the game.

I may check back in December when they say they might get around to it, but it's doubtful.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.05.24 22:43:00 - [302]
 

Originally by: Meridhttp://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=replyquote&threadID=1489084&line=301ius Dex
Me, as well. My sub is canceled (8 days left and I've already stopped playing weeks back), with FW given as the reason for doing so (along with chronic ship balancing issues cited). FW was the most fun I had playing EVE back when the expansion was first introduced. It's broken now and I've lost all interest in the game.

I may check back in December when they say they might get around to it, but it's doubtful.


It's sad to hear there will be one less target to shoot at... While I'd hate for this to become the "FW's gone stale and so I'm out" thread, I hope your decision to leave at least weighs heavily in CCP's consideration of the issue.

If there's other players that are leaving the game due to lack of CCP attention to Faction Warfare, at least post that here so there's a record of the impact this issue has on the community.

If you know someone who's leaving for similar reasons, encourage them to speak out as they exit as well.

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2011.05.24 22:58:00 - [303]
 

I was interested when FW was released and I did join it for a while, mostly solo-running offensive complexes. After a while I discovered how broken it really was and so I took my corporation out of it. The idea was to rejoin when some of the mechanical issues were fixed, but years later...

Oh well. There's other things to do in Eve.

Tyberius Rage
Posted - 2011.05.24 23:33:00 - [304]
 

This thread was started on March 29th. It has been nearly two months, and while Fan Fest has come and gone, we haven't had any feed back or news from CCP on the state of Faction Warfare. CCP please pay attention to Faction Warfare. Give us an update on when we can expect to hear your input to the feedback the community has provided. We deserve some answers to our questions. But so far, besides the occasional blue post saying thank you for the feed back, we haven't had anything concrete. This is not fair to us. Please provide some answers!

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.05.25 01:25:00 - [305]
 

Isn't it obvious that they don't understand what a hole this is in their game and have no intention of fixing the few simple bugs,
which have broken it since day 1, even after fixing the same broken code in Incursions.

They won't respond to this thread with anything other then platitude.
There will be no catch-up round-table.
If there is no one will attend after losing so much faith.
If any discussion ever takes place, no one will be able to explain how it works as those devs and players have all quit.
Any work will be performed by "the new guy" without a real team or any real dedication of resources.

The solution is for all FW players to quit so CCP can recruit a new wave of users with simpler demands.

CCP is not going to fix this, they just want it to go away.


Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.25 01:40:00 - [306]
 

CCP doesn't really know how to design their game. They like to release placeholder crap and hope for some nice ideas coming from the angry players. And then ignore them.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.05.25 01:48:00 - [307]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/05/2011 01:50:45
Originally by: Calathea Sata
CCP doesn't really know how to design their game. They like to release placeholder crap and hope for some nice ideas coming from the angry players. And then ignore them.


No no this is actually really amazing game design, it all fits really well.

However there are 2-3 tiny little bugs that stop the jig-saw from fitting together.

Whoever originally designed it must be very dissapointed in CCP never putting their idea and effort together correctly.
No one at CCP really understands how it was put together now however.

Noah is a really good game designer and could understand the mechcanic if he tried, I'm sure, but he HATES FW with a passion.

edit: See.... There is a faction within CCP who believe FW = WoW PvP Arena. They never wanted it in the game but had it forced apon them as a testing ground for Dominion features (which never really happened).

From this perspective they only want it to fade and die so it can be removed from the game.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.05.25 03:11:00 - [308]
 

Bumping TOPIC even though we are told we don't need to as it at least gives people a visible topic to post in regarding WHY they are LEAVING the game...

COME ON CCP - GIVE US SOME ANSWERS!!!

We aren't expecting it to be fixed tomorrow. We ARE expecting some meaningful dialogue and timelines for when things can be worked on. Ideally bugs in the short term and some feature enhancements in the medium to long term!!!

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.05.25 03:25:00 - [309]
 

When the thread hits 50 pages 3 hours dev time will be assigned and bugs will be fixed the next day.

Da'iel Zehn
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.25 06:24:00 - [310]
 

I am interested in this topic as well and the future of FW. I have been in a couple of militas with different alts, and I have enjoyed it.

Looking forward to hearing positive news. Smile

Zaran Tarik
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.05.25 08:38:00 - [311]
 

FW needs some love CCP! It's one of the features in Eve with most potential unfulfilled! Evil or Very Mad

Perramas
Caldari
Pan Caldarian Ventures
Posted - 2011.05.25 11:21:00 - [312]
 

You long time FW players remind me of the wife of a guy I worked with. He would beat her all the time and call her foul names. When she would leave he would call her up crying saying how sorry he was and that things would be different this time. And she falls for it every single time and returns to him to be beat and cursed at some more.


Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.05.25 12:53:00 - [313]
 

Originally by: Perramas
You long time FW players remind me of the wife of a guy I worked with. He would beat her all the time and call her foul names. When she would leave he would call her up crying saying how sorry he was and that things would be different this time. And she falls for it every single time and returns to him to be beat and cursed at some more.




lol, FW isn't that bad, or bad at all really. You should try it. There is a lot of whine because of a few drama queens in FW and because it doesn't seem like it would take much time to fix a few of the small bugs. The large overhual stuff would be nice, but I get plenty of pew pew because of FW.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:26:00 - [314]
 

Originally by: Karl Planck
Originally by: Perramas
You long time FW players remind me of the wife of a guy I worked with. He would beat her all the time and call her foul names. When she would leave he would call her up crying saying how sorry he was and that things would be different this time. And she falls for it every single time and returns to him to be beat and cursed at some more.




lol, FW isn't that bad, or bad at all really. You should try it. There is a lot of whine because of a few drama queens in FW and because it doesn't seem like it would take much time to fix a few of the small bugs. The large overhual stuff would be nice, but I get plenty of pew pew because of FW.


FW is the best thing in eve.
However, itís pretty bad. The entire occupancy mechanic is so bad it is ignored. You know occupancy is supposedly what we are fighting about? Yeah right. FW fights are generally as meaningless as the ffa fights on singularity. Only it takes allot longer to find the fights in FW.


Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.05.25 16:56:00 - [315]
 

Originally by: Cearain

FW is the best thing in eve.
However, itís pretty bad. The entire occupancy mechanic is so bad it is ignored. You know occupancy is supposedly what we are fighting about? Yeah right. FW fights are generally as meaningless as the ffa fights on singularity. Only it takes allot longer to find the fights in FW.



a) doesn't sound like you enjoy eve very much
b) a fight is a fight is a fight. You say meaningless, but like everything else in eve, its what YOU make out of it.
c) This is a sandbox. The occupancy mechanic isn't there to tell us what our goal is, its a mechanic at our disposal. There might be RP value on them, but again, its a mechanic. I personally love it, even though I would like to see it tweaked

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.05.25 18:11:00 - [316]
 

Originally by: Zaran Tarik
FW needs some love CCP! It's one of the features in Eve with most potential unfulfilled! Evil or Very Mad


This hits the nail on the head.

Yes, there are plenty of "whiners" who complain about how "broken" FW is. This is not a new complaint, and its easy to see players have been asking these questions for TWO YEARS now.

The irony of course, is that people are still going out every day and getting into fun fights because of Faction Warfare. I am one of many pilots who have stayed in militia because its hands down the funnest pew pew in the game, if you're not a pilot that needs to fly in supercap megafleets to feel important in the Eve universe.

Is it broken? Its a matter of opinion. Its completely functional in driving a *shrinking* player base to engage in dynamic PvP on a regular basis. Its functional in providing income sufficient to sustain sub-cap fighting in the lowsec zones every day of the week. Take away those mission incomes, even though they are *****d on by all kinds of people who aren't contributing to the pew pew in the area, and you take away our ability to actually fight on the regular. This would be a bad way to go.

The plexing/territory system is probably the biggest room for improvement. And as Zaran pointed out, it has the most potential of just about any feature in the game to dramatically inspire player involvement. As of right now, there is a purely RP fluff motivation for taking territory, and this is to weak to keep players fighting over plexes like they did in the beginning. Money talks, as do system-wide environmental consequences, so lets thinking about putting that modular code CCP Zulu was interviewed about to some good use elsewhere, and give us some real, practical reasons, to keep people fighting and keep people interested.

FW is not dead, contrary to popular belief. However, it is on life support through heavy player promotion, and its both sad and frustrating to keep hearing CCP promise to simply tell us what's on their mind, and continually dodge the subject. Absence of new info leaves players thinking the worst, so everything hear must be seen in context and taken with a grain of salt.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:01:00 - [317]
 

Edited by: Cearain on 25/05/2011 19:01:03
Originally by: Karl Planck
Originally by: Cearain

FW is the best thing in eve.
However, itís pretty bad. The entire occupancy mechanic is so bad it is ignored. You know occupancy is supposedly what we are fighting about? Yeah right. FW fights are generally as meaningless as the ffa fights on singularity. Only it takes allot longer to find the fights in FW.



a) doesn't sound like you enjoy eve very much
b) a fight is a fight is a fight. You say meaningless, but like everything else in eve, its what YOU make out of it.
c) This is a sandbox. The occupancy mechanic isn't there to tell us what our goal is, its a mechanic at our disposal. There might be RP value on them, but again, its a mechanic. I personally love it, even though I would like to see it tweaked



A) Yeah I was very enthusiastic at first thinking there would be allot of exciting fights etc. But it seems ccp is only concerned about large alliance and corp stuff that I really donít have time for. I have rl friends and family to socialize with, and I am not really interested in investing time to make friends over the internet. Iím not saying there is anything wrong with that. Itís just I am just not interested. Iím not interested in 90% facebook with 10% spaceships. Look at many of the large alliance leaders. Very little fighting in spaceships Ė mostly facebook. It seems that is what CCP wants. Itís their game but thatís not for me.

B) If a fight is a fight is a fight then I suggest you try singularity. You will get more fights faster and you wonít have to do any grinding for new ships. On tranquility FW is likely your best bet for getting in allot of decent fights. But even there you will be lucky to get in one good fight for an hour spent warping around.

FW should be the answer for people who want to get allot of pew pew fast but ccp doesnít seem to care about it, or anything that might lead to quicker pvp action. Players who want a system that yields quality pvp in a reasonable time should, and have, looked elsewhere. Eve is full of players who think itís reasonable to have one 2 minute pvp fight per hour warping around. But this is not because that is reasonable, itís because everyone else left the game.

Think about it, this is pretty much the only spaceship MMO in the world and there are only like 350,000 subscriptions. What maybe 250,000 actual players in the world? Pretty much everyone agrees the pvp can be exciting in this game. However, CCP insists they want this game to be more about making friends on vent and creating blobs that make the fantastic spaceship combat mechanics they created irrelevant.

C) Iím not sure claiming ďitís a sandboxĒ should be an excuse for bad mechanics. Sandbox or not CCP makes goals all the time through their mechanics. They can either do a good job with it or a bad job. I agree that the fw plexing is the best mechanic they have made so far- outside of ship fitting/combat mechanics. However, until they decide to tweak it, it will remain pretty bad.
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Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.05.25 19:54:00 - [318]
 

Seeing as I got some free time lets have some fun with thisRazz

Originally by: Cearain

A)Yeah I was very enthusiastic at first thinking there would be allot of exciting fights etc. But it seems ccp is only concerned about large alliance and corp stuff that I really donít have time for. I have rl friends and family to socialize with, and I am not really interested in investing time to make friends over the internet. Iím not saying there is anything wrong with that. Itís just I am just not interested. Iím not interested in 90% facebook with 10% spaceships. Look at many of the large alliance leaders. Very little fighting in spaceships Ė mostly facebook. It seems that is what CCP wants. Itís their game but thatís not for me.


first, bitter vet detected Wink
Again, eve is what you make of it. Although they have added some social tools they haven't taken anything away from low sec because they haven't changed it lol. You get on a high horse saying you have friends so you can't play eve? That just makes you look like an a**. And they have added a lot to the overall spaceship aspect, just not anything extreme since the pirate hull buff. But w/e, if you a bitter vet you came on the forums to vent, so vent away.

Originally by: Cearain

B) If a fight is a fight is a fight then I suggest you try singularity....Eve is full of players who think itís reasonable to have one 2 minute pvp fight per hour warping around. But this is not because that is reasonable, itís because everyone else left the game.


You said FW pvp was meaningless. Its not, or at least its not any different than 90% of pvp in eve, which i would think most people don't find meaningless. Going to singularity is just to test your skills, but causes no pain, thus no fun very quickly. As far as finding fights quickly, sounds and looks by the shape of your KB that you need to modify your strategy.

Originally by: Cearain

Think about it, this is pretty much the only spaceship MMO in the world and there are only like 350,000 subscriptions. What maybe 250,000 actual players in the world? Pretty much everyone agrees the pvp can be exciting in this game. However, CCP insists they want this game to be more about making friends on vent and creating blobs that make the fantastic spaceship combat mechanics they created irrelevant.


The reason the population is so small is because of the pvp you dork. In a recent Game Informer article an author wrote about the values of Rift over WOW. EVE was brought up as an example of a game where you just get griefed to death and can't have any fun. This is just one example, and people don't have to pew pew in this game to have fun, but the pew pew is the reason that scares most people away, not the social aspect.

Originally by: Cearain

C) Iím not sure claiming ďitís a sandboxĒ should be an excuse for bad mechanics. Sandbox or not CCP makes goals all the time through their mechanics. They can either do a good job with it or a bad job. I agree that the fw plexing is the best mechanic they have made so far- outside of ship fitting/combat mechanics. However, until they decide to tweak it, it will remain pretty bad.
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Saying its bad is an opinion and you know it. I know a lot of people on the minnie side of FW get a lot of enjoyment from the RP side of 'liberating' systems from their former oppressors. Personally, I enjoying being able to use the FW plex's, even more so when the NPC's are on my side. This is a GREAT way to get better fights by being able to limit what in a fleet can come after you.

That being said of course it, along with other things could be modified to be even better, no doubt. There has been a lot of suggestions, some on this thread, about changes to make it better.

BTW, some level of irony to the amount you talk of having a life and not being able to be bothered with the social aspects of eve and writing an lengthy response of the forums, just sayin Wink

Yakov Pavlov
Posted - 2011.05.25 20:03:00 - [319]
 

Originally by: Karl Planck

Saying its bad is an opinion and you know it.

That being said of course it, along with other things could be modified to be even better, no doubt. There has been a lot of suggestions, some on this thread, about changes to make it better.




Ahem .. from page 3 ..

Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
I know that it's just political however lets just explain the issue again in-case they missed it.

* Plex spawnning mechanic is broken.

For the first 3h after downtime it is possible to plex PvP.
This is the most dynamic form of PvP in the Eve universe.
Imbalances between gangs can be mitigated by the use of plex and many fights per night can always be found.

Soon after the mechanic breaks and no more plex spawn in target systems until the next downtime.



A public service allowance to counter your "I find pew pew .. all is right with the world." Funny that's just what the Devs said .. and its still wrong.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.05.25 20:21:00 - [320]
 

Edited by: Karl Planck on 25/05/2011 20:23:52
Originally by: Yakov Pavlov

A public service allowance to counter your "I find pew pew .. all is right with the world." Funny that's just what the Devs said .. and its still wrong.


I know exactly what you are talking about, but that is simply not true anymore. I am US tz and unless its the weekend I play late. Those plexes that get swarmed are
a) on the front line of a plex battle
b) mostly on the amarr/minnie side

A good chunk of them get ran, and yes, i would LOVE if they spawned like exploration sites. But you are DEAD wrong if you think there aren't a ton of those plexes to run.

Edit* hell, i ran 3 plexes the other day in heyd during late US tz. I even tried to tease out a fight in local. No one even bothered (though i was in a nasty ship Very Happy)

Edit** edit failure lol

Yakov Pavlov
Posted - 2011.05.25 20:29:00 - [321]
 

Edited by: Yakov Pavlov on 25/05/2011 20:29:35
Karl,

You're echoing the devs, CCP Manifest who said,

Originally by: CCP Manifest
That having been said, like every feature, it was about what I made of it. I ended up hunting down a destroyer filled with Amarr scum and got my first solo kill :)


Of course, you're saying this to do precisely that which Manifest said he was not ... and I have to suspect that this is where your and CCP Manifest probably agree.

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Of course, that's not to downplay or dismiss the very real concerns here, just to put in my perspective.


But all that aside, really, we've been waiting 2 months for even a sentence to make the following true. I expect we'll be waiting some months more.

Originally by: CCP Manifest
That aside, Zulu agreed that there needs to be more dialogue from CCP about Factional Warfare--where we've been, where we are and where we are headed. Part of the dev team is going to sit down and hammer that out in some sort of meaningful format and we'll get that to you as soon as possible.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.05.25 20:40:00 - [322]
 

Yakov Pavlov, you are pretty much dead on I would say with where I stand on this. And you are also correct that my stance is more dismissive of the problem. However that is different than the devs being dismissive. I can't do anything about the game being changed and I am pretty sure that CCP knows we would like change.

Most ideas for the various fw fixes have been presented and discussed. Now every time someone hops on with some 'FW is ruined' I can't help but reply, or at least smile. I am dismissive about most of the concerns because its not like FW is unplayable or unenjoyable. We want it improved, and indeed it will be awesome (hopefully) when/if it happens.

In the mean time people need to realize that it can still be fun now and is for a lot of folks. Stop fantasizing about they think they game could be, then getting ****ed when CCP hasn't delivered their dreams.

Yakov Pavlov
Posted - 2011.05.25 20:47:00 - [323]
 

Originally by: Karl Planck
Stop fantasizing about they think they game could be, then getting ****ed when CCP hasn't delivered their dreams.


How bout this?

"Stop fantasizing about what CCP has promised a feature to be, then getting ****ed when CCP, first, doesn't deliver on what they explicitly said they would and second,ignore player complaints to that point for months on end."

Sorry, not buying it. You can spin the complaints here any way you want but fact remains CCP dropped one of many many balls and then insulting says "we'll get back to ya."

PLEX for fanboy?

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.05.25 21:05:00 - [324]
 

Originally by: Yakov Pavlov

How bout this?

"Stop fantasizing about what CCP has promised a feature to be, then getting ****ed when CCP, first, doesn't deliver on what they explicitly said they would and second,ignore player complaints to that point for months on end."

Sorry, not buying it. You can spin the complaints here any way you want but fact remains CCP dropped one of many many balls and then insulting says "we'll get back to ya."

PLEX for fanboy?


lol, why do you think FW gets to get treated better than any other part of eve. We all know thats what we get. Every so often if a group yells loud enough they get a small fix. So instead of acting mature about it and realizing what product they are offering, people get butthurt and come on here to whine. This isn't unique to FW but for some reason those involved think it is. And its not even like its terribad.

Yea, they may be working on it. Yes they said they would be back to us. Never gave a timeline (they won't). Never made promises about what is coming for us in the future. Get over yourself or go make this big of a stink about every dissatisfaction you have with any place you spend your money.

Yakov Pavlov
Posted - 2011.05.25 21:11:00 - [325]
 

I'm not asking that FW get treated better than any other part of Eve. Only that CCP iterate on the feature as they've consistantly said they would.

If your point is that CCP always and will always lie so why complain and somehow think this wins you the argument, I've got a jumpbridge to sell you. Your snarky cynicism isn't cool, its rather pathetic.

I do make a stink when a business does me wrong, its called self-respect. I'm not expecting the company to bend to my will. But I will make sure that their failings as a company are prominently displayed on their own forums until such time as they do the smallest courtesy of addressing those failings.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.05.25 21:21:00 - [326]
 

Originally by: Yakov Pavlov

I'm not asking that FW get treated better than any other part of Eve. Only that CCP iterate on the feature as they've consistantly said they would.

If your point is that CCP always and will always lie so why complain and somehow think this wins you the argument, I've got a jumpbridge to sell you. Your snarky cynicism isn't cool, its rather pathetic.

I do make a stink when a business does me wrong, its called self-respect. I'm not expecting the company to bend to my will. But I will make sure that their failings as a company are prominently displayed on their own forums until such time as they do the smallest courtesy of addressing those failings.



rarely does raising stink at a business show that you have self-respect, more often it makes you look like an a**hat. Complaining about your food in a resturant, arguing with a bank over minor fees, calling your internet provider because of outages and demainding your money back, etc. Rarely have I ever seen someone get steamed at a business for a legitimate reason.

And like I said before, they have made NO promises (outside of a few hotfixes from exploits) beyond that they would like to work on it. And this is all for a product which i spend less on than my home-brewed coffee.

Originally by: Yakov Pavlov

But I will make sure that their failings as a company are prominently displayed on their own forums until such time as they do the smallest courtesy of addressing those failings.



meaningless threat, I hope you feel better, you look like an a**hat

Yakov Pavlov
Posted - 2011.05.25 21:26:00 - [327]
 

Thanks for bumping this thread showing CCP's abject disregard of customer feedback.

Promise to keep it up?

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.05.25 21:27:00 - [328]
 

Originally by: Karl Planck
Seeing as I got some free time lets have some fun with thisRazz

Originally by: Cearain

A)Yeah I was very enthusiastic at first thinking there would be allot of exciting fights etc. But it seems ccp is only concerned about large alliance and corp stuff that I really donít have time for. I have rl friends and family to socialize with, and I am not really interested in investing time to make friends over the internet. Iím not saying there is anything wrong with that. Itís just I am just not interested. Iím not interested in 90% facebook with 10% spaceships. Look at many of the large alliance leaders. Very little fighting in spaceships Ė mostly facebook. It seems that is what CCP wants. Itís their game but thatís not for me.


first, bitter vet detected Wink
Again, eve is what you make of it. Although they have added some social tools they haven't taken anything away from low sec because they haven't changed it lol. You get on a high horse saying you have friends so you can't play eve? That just makes you look like an a**. And they have added a lot to the overall spaceship aspect, just not anything extreme since the pirate hull buff. But w/e, if you a bitter vet you came on the forums to vent, so vent away.


ďBitter vetĒ you know I never heard that term before I played eve. I have played many sports and games (although not mmos) and never heard that term. I just googled it and my first page is full of eve references!!! Why do you think that is?
Let me suggest that many people recognize the great combat mechanics of this game. These include but are not limited to turret tracking, missile velocity, optimal range, warp mechanics, sig radius, and how all the modules can work together to make an interesting fits, how different ships can work together to make a great gang etc. But the way the other eve mechanics work none of this matters at all, itís just blob blob blob blob. It doesnít matter how you fit your ship your just gonna blob or get blobbed. Many newbs who join this game have someone else fit their ship for them then they fly and blob people. I did that myself and it was fun Ė for a while.

What has ccp done to improve small gang pvp since FW came out? You are right that plexes are a great way to get good fights. Yet the system needs to be tweaked or reworked to be truly playable yet they refuse to do it.

I am sorry if you think I am an ass just because I would rather develop friendships in person rather than over the internet. I donít mean there is anything wrong with having friends over the internet. Itís just not a goal for me. w/e

Originally by: Karl Planck

You said FW pvp was meaningless. Its not, or at least its not any different than 90% of pvp in eve, which i would think most people don't find meaningless. Going to singularity is just to test your skills, but causes no pain, thus no fun very quickly. As far as finding fights quickly, sounds and looks by the shape of your KB that you need to modify your strategy.


Looking at your killboard I am not sure you are one to be giving advise on strategies but Iím up for new strategies. What do you do, and how many quality fights do you get in per hour of play?

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.05.25 21:29:00 - [329]
 

Originally by: Karl Planck

The reason the population is so small is because of the pvp you dork. In a recent Game Informer article an author wrote about the values of Rift over WOW. EVE was brought up as an example of a game where you just get griefed to death and can't have any fun. This is just one example, and people don't have to pew pew in this game to have fun, but the pew pew is the reason that scares most people away, not the social aspect. .


Did you call me a dork??? Why I oughttaÖ.!! I have to say I think the reason more people donít play eve is because itís pretty boring to warp around for hours and find nothing that will or should fight you or you should fight. But thatís just my opinion. Plenty of people play pvp mmos. But whatever believe what you want.

Originally by: Karl Planck

Saying its bad is an opinion and you know it. I know a lot of people on the minnie side of FW get a lot of enjoyment from the RP side of 'liberating' systems from their former oppressors. Personally, I enjoying being able to use the FW plex's, even more so when the NPC's are on my side. This is a GREAT way to get better fights by being able to limit what in a fleet can come after you.

That being said of course it, along with other things could be modified to be even better, no doubt. There has been a lot of suggestions, some on this thread, about changes to make it better.

BTW, some level of irony to the amount you talk of having a life and not being able to be bothered with the social aspects of eve and writing an lengthy response of the forums, just sayin Wink


Of course itís my opinion. I might suggest it is also the opinion of so many people that have played this game there was actually a term coined for us. ďbitter vetsĒ

What you say about plexes is true. I agree they are a good way to get good fights. I used to use them for that all the time. But I can sit in plexes for hours in very busy systems like amamake and auga and kourmonen and no one other than blobs will come in. Yes the mechanics have to be improved. I have my own post in assembly hall. I can show you posts from 3 years ago asking for changes to improve it. Anyone in fw lately knows its very rare to find someone who cares about plexing Ė because as it currently exists itís boring.

I think the game could be great if they improved it. But realistically that is not going to happen for at least another year. Right now the game is really slow and pretty boring. So I am going to let my subscription run out and see if they ever do fix it.

I post allot, I think CCP did allot of things great- like ship fitings and battle mechanics for solo and small gangs. But unfortunately they do other things that make these great aspects irrelevant. I would love for ccp to fix this situation so I post allot about it. I suppose in the hour it took me to respond to you I could have played eve and had about a 50% chance of getting a single decent pvp fight. But one good fight every two hours just doesnít cut it for me.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.05.25 21:40:00 - [330]
 

Originally by: Karl Planck
Yakov Pavlov, you are pretty much dead on I would say with where I stand on this. And you are also correct that my stance is more dismissive of the problem. However that is different than the devs being dismissive. I can't do anything about the game being changed and I am pretty sure that CCP knows we would like change..


Thats just it, I don't think they believe players want quality small group spaceship pvp. They have done absolutely nothing since fw to create mechanics to bring that about. FW would be the obvious choice to foster small scale pvp. Yet its completely off the charts! No one even showed up at the round table!! I think CCP is losing faith in the ship combat mechanics they created.

They are reaching out to new and different things instead of working with the strengths of the game - like the fun that people have in small scale pvp.



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