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Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.05.06 15:32:00 - [271]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
See they are coming out with this new stuff that's going to be AWESOME!!! OH MAN ARE YOU GOING TO LOVE THIS NEW STUFF... oh and also, they are going to support the new stuff.

No really, it'll be rough when it comes out but they plan on making improvements and working on it all next year and the following years to make sure everything is GREAT and AWESOME just like they promised.

See, they are committed to EXCELLENCE. You just don't understand what that means. Oh man wait till you see this new stuff it's going to be SO COOL and totally supported by the full dev team after release.
and don't worry if the game is a little buggy they already know about that and have a patch coming out, and don't worry if people are exploiting the mechanics and pvp doesn't work because the agro system is buggy REST ASSURED THEY WILL ADDRESS THESE ISSUES!!



lol funny cause it's true.

So when is this catch-up roundtable CCP?



I think the catch up round table is planned to do done with our incarna characters. See the future of eve video for an idea of how this catch up round table will work.

But to be fair, in June 2010 CCP said they were not going to do anything with fw until December 2011. So if you went to fanfest in March of 2011 for the sole purpose of talking about developments in fw wellÖ

Iím just keeping my skills up to date for the rest of my subscription Ė which runs in 38 days. After that I will likely check back sometime after December of 2011 to see if CCP did anything to promote small gang pvp. Iím somewhat optimistic that they will indeed make small gang pvp in fw great. Itís really an obvious decision and CCP is intelligent.

But right now eve doesnít offer me much that I am interested in.
I really think june-september of 2012 CCP will have some mechanics that will make the game great for those who like small scale pvp.


Humble EvolPants
Posted - 2011.05.09 11:07:00 - [272]
 

Oh no you don't thread.
Must has answers.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.05.09 11:23:00 - [273]
 

Originally by: Cearain
I think the catch up round table is planned to do done with our incarna characters...

So roundtable will not be until next summer since Incarna at launch will only have CQ and no option to actually mingle Smile
Originally by: Cearain
Itís really an obvious decision and CCP is intelligent...

Not only is small-gang stuff obvious but according to Dev remarks since the dawn of time it is what Eve's focus is supposed to be .. until blobs/lag reared its head and all resources are spent trying to fix a system that is not geared to handle human behaviour.
Also, "lol wut!?" at that last word sneaking in there. never heard that uttered in a sentence containing the letters 'CCP' before Very Happy
Originally by: Cearain
I really think june-september of 2012 CCP will have some mechanics that will make the game great for those who like small scale pvp.

If they manage to pull that off, how much do you want to bet it will be some lame EHP based system that favours blob-monkeys regardless of intentions?

The lack of iteration has allowed flawed mechanics to accumulate so it is PvP as a whole that is threatened now .. even with :awesome: small-gang opportunities they would still need to address the standings issues, alt abuses, logon traps, docking games, bore-sec hotdrops et al.

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.05.09 14:07:00 - [274]
 

Edited by: Signal11th on 09/05/2011 14:10:37



Yep, that's right. Helgi's part of the recruiting team and we've nabbed a top notch HR person, Sophie (who is French), to head up the whole department as we've increased in size.



Ahh there's the problem with CCP, as soon as you have to get "HR" people in you lose the "small" company mentality and get the big business bean counter ideology. You get "accountability" so basically in the old days when everyone would just muck in and help, now because HR get involved people run for cover as to protect their backsides! Oh well!

CCP Manifest


C C P
Posted - 2011.05.09 15:11:00 - [275]
 

If you missed it... here's a pretty good place to ask your questions about FW.

I have not in fact forgotten about this thread (I gaveth my word!), but hopefully the above (which I knew was coming) will get some answers I can repost here for you.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.05.10 01:17:00 - [276]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

The lack of iteration has allowed flawed mechanics to accumulate so it is PvP as a whole that is threatened now


Truth.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.05.10 02:45:00 - [277]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
If you missed it... here's a pretty good place to ask your questions about FW.

I have not in fact forgotten about this thread (I gaveth my word!), but hopefully the above (which I knew was coming) will get some answers I can repost here for you.


I've put a post in there (so has at least one other person) linking back to this thread. Does this mean we get some answers???

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.05.13 02:31:00 - [278]
 

Untimely comment to bump the topic Twisted Evil

In all seriousness, are we able to get some time frame on when we will even be able to generate some meaningful dialogue with CCP???

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.05.13 02:52:00 - [279]
 

Originally by: Har Harrison
Untimely comment to bump the topic Twisted Evil

In all seriousness, are we able to get some time frame on when we will even be able to generate some meaningful dialogue with CCP???


18 months years lol you think they were serious?

CCP Manifest


C C P
Posted - 2011.05.13 04:09:00 - [280]
 

In case ya'll missed the "ASK EVE" thread response...there's no need to bump. It'll come shortly after Soundwave returns from Russia and we can sit down together. I told you I can't quit you!

You've been patient for this long...just a week or so longer please.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.05.16 02:22:00 - [281]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
In case ya'll missed the "ASK EVE" thread response...there's no need to bump. It'll come shortly after Soundwave returns from Russia and we can sit down together. I told you I can't quit you!

You've been patient for this long...just a week or so longer please.


Ohhhh - Does this mean that Soundwave will be leading his team into battle for us FW devotees??? Shocked

Come on - tell us that they are going to use the AI from Incursions to create a dynamic and fluid FW environment that creates missions/goals (individual, corp and militia) for both sides that are intertwined - e.g. Amarr are pushing on system X, so Minnies are to defend it etc??? And the goals/missions update based on success/failure (remember how the story changed when playing the Wing Commander series...).

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.05.16 02:43:00 - [282]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 16/05/2011 02:45:12
Originally by: Har Harrison
Originally by: CCP Manifest
In case ya'll missed the "ASK EVE" thread response...there's no need to bump. It'll come shortly after Soundwave returns from Russia and we can sit down together. I told you I can't quit you!

You've been patient for this long...just a week or so longer please.


Ohhhh - Does this mean that Soundwave will be leading his team into battle for us FW devotees??? Shocked

Come on - tell us that they are going to use the AI from Incursions to create a dynamic and fluid FW environment that creates missions/goals (individual, corp and militia) for both sides that are intertwined - e.g. Amarr are pushing on system X, so Minnies are to defend it etc??? And the goals/missions update based on success/failure (remember how the story changed when playing the Wing Commander series...).


Ummm lets hope not.. I don't mind having various goals with-in FW but lets not push more PVE orientated content into what is supposed to be a PVP realm.

Not to mention it's not gonna help the current blob PVP environment to push all fighting into a hand full of systems. I don't want to see more PVP orientated around circling little buttons with NPC's pushing the fight in favor of one side or the other.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.05.16 03:01:00 - [283]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest

You've been patient for this long...just a week or so longer please.


So after several years of CCP intentionally neglecting FW you will be moving on this next week?
We should see the bugs patched sometime within 3-5 years from now?

Good to hear. Look forward to other expansions being patched sometime too.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.05.16 06:01:00 - [284]
 

Originally by: Mutnin
Ummm lets hope not.. I don't mind having various goals with-in FW but lets not push more PVE orientated content into what is supposed to be a PVP realm.

Not to mention it's not gonna help the current blob PVP environment to push all fighting into a hand full of systems. I don't want to see more PVP orientated around circling little buttons with NPC's pushing the fight in favor of one side or the other.


It COULD drive PvP too since the mission for the other team is to drive off the people trying to run the mission - the thought brings the following quote from Transformers movie (cartoon) to mind

"Come on, Arcee, we gotta get this launcher into place! Megatron's making his big push, and we gotta push back!"

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.05.17 03:02:00 - [285]
 

Interesting thread going abuot features people would like to see in the next expansion. Faction Warfare is seeing a good level of support.

The idea is to pick 5 of the following 10 that you would like to see

New nebulae graphics
New turret effects
New cyno-graphics and engine-trails
Corp Logos on Ships
T3 Frigates
Full featured multiplayer Incarna
Faction-war overhaul
Supercap-balancing
4th bonus for assault frigs
Gallente Balancing

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1511484

Quoting Results (16/5/2011)
After almost 3 Pages of votings, the preliminary results are:
-----------------------------------------------------------------

01. Gallente Balancing --> 34
02. Supercap-balancing --> 30
03. Full featured multiplayer Incarna --> 24
03. Faction-war overhaul --> 24
04. New nebulae graphics --> 19
04. 4th bonus for assault frigs --> 19
05. New turret effects --> 16
06. New cyno-graphics and engine-trails --> 15
07. T3 Frigates --> 13
08. Corp Logos on Ships --> 7

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.05.18 00:47:00 - [286]
 

.......... tumble weed passes ............

Isn't there some other way other then writing code that CCP could make these complaints about broken major expansions go away?

Chris Fierce
Caldari
NoD Imperium
Posted - 2011.05.20 22:24:00 - [287]
 

To what length will you abuse our patience, Catiline?

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.05.21 03:00:00 - [288]
 

Don't worry CCP.

HTFU or GFY.

Chris Fierce
Caldari
NoD Imperium
Posted - 2011.05.22 23:48:00 - [289]
 

"We wait. We are bored. No, don't protest, we are bored to death, there's no denying it. Good. A diversion comes along and what do we do? We let it go to waste... In an instant all will vanish and we'll be alone once more, in the midst of nothingness!"

Catheryn Martobi
Posted - 2011.05.23 02:46:00 - [290]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
In case ya'll missed the "ASK EVE" thread response...there's no need to bump. It'll come shortly after Soundwave returns from Russia and we can sit down together. I told you I can't quit you!

You've been patient for this long...just a week or so longer please.


I had this theory about Devs personally garroting commercial botters. Soundwave travelling to Russia is all the proof I need!

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.05.23 03:39:00 - [291]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
In case ya'll missed the "ASK EVE" thread response...there's no need to bump. It'll come shortly after Soundwave returns from Russia and we can sit down together. I told you I can't quit you!

You've been patient for this long...just a week or so longer please.

So he is back now right? Since that Alliance Torny 9 vid was done AFTER he got back right??? BTW - I'm not looking for feedback in the questions for dev thread as we have 0 chance of finding the feedback in that as it is so big and sooooooo trolled...

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.05.23 04:02:00 - [292]
 

Stand the **** up and be heard CCP.

Either you want FW dead and gone or you have resources and ideas.

Do something. Either just come out and say that you want it dead or start working.

Bengal Bob
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.05.23 08:40:00 - [293]
 

Still no answers?

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.05.23 15:36:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
After my workload spiked, I dropped out, but recently I ducked back into Ama/Auga/Kourm+ to get some pew pew on and the dynamic of fleets etc has changed...the same spirit just didn't seem to be there. I don't know if that's an FC thing or what, but it still seemed weird. That having been said, like every feature, it was about what I made of it. I ended up hunting down a destroyer filled with Amarr scum and got my first solo kill :)




I have hope and faith that CCP devs will investigate the state of FW to a a greater degree than poking around for a day.... the encounter described here could have happened a day ago, or a day after FW began. A perusal of the killboards will demonstrate that there is far far more going on, and that the nature of FW has grown a lot. Supercap fights are not unheard of, and becoming more common. Ships of every type in the game, including Tech 3, Command, and Black Ops, are used with deadly effect.

Basically, my point is that FW needs a serious analysis because most of us who participate regularly know that the PvP here is as good or arguably better than that in 0.0, that the old stigma and sterotype of militia being comprised of blobs of tech 1 fitted noobs x-ing up in militia is inaccurate and outdated.

The volume of PvP in FW lowsec areas indeed affects the economy, acting as a vital isk sink, and the militia mission systems contributes greatly to the wealth of Faction Gear and ships in the game. FW draws in piracy, and keeps lowsec an important pillar of gameplay, alongside highsec and nullsec.

I truly see EvE's vitality as relying on a careful balance of highsec, nullsec, and lowsec activity, and all three deserve equal attention by CCP if they want to provide the most opportunities for the most types of players. Having a progression of zones to play in keeps more players around in the long run, and keeps more subscriptions active. Count me as one of thousands of pilots who would seriously be frustrated if the FW, and all the lowsec activity that revolves around it, decayed away with time because nothing was done by development to keep this game sector vital.

The "spirit of FW" is indeed still there, and its really that ongoing roleplaying and endless thirst for lowsec pew by a sizeable core group of players that keeps this zone alive despite CCP's lack of involvement after its initial release.

Do yourself a favor CCP, make yourself even more iskies (the RL kind, not in-game) and throw us a bone to keep the rabid militia enthusiasts (and those curious to try FW) happy paying customers for years to come.

Half Cocked Jack
Posted - 2011.05.23 19:46:00 - [295]
 

Want my last action ever on EVE / EVE forums to be bumping this thread. FW was the greatest fun I ever had in my years of playing this game, and still have a lot of good friends involved. Fix it for them, hmm?

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.05.23 22:20:00 - [296]
 

Half ****ed Jack - you're simply leaving the forums, right?? Not leaving the warzone are you?? or dare I say, the game??

Say it ain't so....

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.05.24 00:35:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Half ****ed Jack - you're simply leaving the forums, right?? Not leaving the warzone are you?? or dare I say, the game??

Say it ain't so....


The deliberate and consistent neglect of this major expansion by CCP is a perfectly good reason to stop giving them money.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.05.24 00:50:00 - [298]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 24/05/2011 01:00:40

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen

I have hope and faith that CCP devs will investigate the state of FW to a a greater degree than poking around for a day.... the encounter described here could have happened a day ago, or a day after FW began. A perusal of the killboards will demonstrate that there is far far more going on, and that the nature of FW has grown a lot. Supercap fights are not unheard of, and becoming more common. Ships of every type in the game, including Tech 3, Command, and Black Ops, are used with deadly effect.




So in theory, one could argue that CCP doing nothing to FW has not held it back as it's a place players have managed to have mindless PVP with no real reason other than to blow stuff up. Even very expensive stuff..

It would be nice to see some attention from CCP on FW, but on the other hand if they don't will anything really change?

I'm mixed on if I'd like to see them do anything.. On one hand it would be nice to see some new things added, but the other half of me wonder if they would just turn it into some crappy PVE incursion style carebear land.


Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.05.24 01:09:00 - [299]
 

Originally by: Mutnin

I'm mixed on if I'd like to see them do anything.. On one hand it would be nice to see some new things added, but the other half of me wonder if they would just turn it into some crappy PVE incursion style carebear land.



This is true. The original actual game design of FW is some of the best thinking which has been coded into Eve.

It just needs a few tiny bug fixes. Literially a few hours work, but then if the "new forums" are 72k hours work then... lol

With CCP in their current head-space they'd likey just assign some flunky coder who's never played and has no idea of the original game design structure.

Really... It's just got to the point of F U CCP

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.05.24 18:23:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: Mutnin


So in theory, one could argue that CCP doing nothing to FW has not held it back as it's a place players have managed to have mindless PVP with no real reason other than to blow stuff up. Even very expensive stuff..

It would be nice to see some attention from CCP on FW, but on the other hand if they don't will anything really change?




Yes and no. You are correct in pointing out that the players involved in FW have kept its spirit alive over the years, despite a lack of development attention. There is probably a small, hardcore group, that would indeed stay involved as long as its in the game. This long-term, ongoing following is in my opinion evidence that militia pilots are a lowsec staple population, and deserves CCP attention to keep this gameplay sector vital. People are slowly leaving for other things, some leaving the game entirely.

As to the idea of the PvP being "mindless", well that's just silly. Militia pilots are no more or less skilled than 0.0 pilots, and the reasons for the ongoing fighting are just as arbitrary as nullsec wars. Everyone wants a good fight in the end. Those engaging in "mindless" pvp don't last long or get real poor real fast. :)

Its quite common for long standing militia pilots to feel the need at some point to try out 0.0, and I'd say roughly 80-90% of them return after getting bored with CTA's, crippling lag, loss of freedom over their game play time, losing pods to bubbles every time they die, or by not actually making more iskies out there. If they come back during a slow time in FW, they get even more discouraged. The idea being that some of the funnest PvP in the game exists in a system they feel gets no love from CCP is hard for many to handle.

I'm sure CCP cares about each paying customer and wants their long-term commitment like any other business, I imagine what Faction Warfare was intended as a feature to give younger players an easy quick way to find some "starter/noob pvp" and has grown into a dedicated community in its own right, something I bet they didn't expect. If they had planned for players to see FW itself as an "endgame" activity (if you can even apply that term to Eve) instead of a place to learn before inevitably moving to 0.0, they might have had a more long-term plan for investing development resources.

We the community have spoken, its time for a re-evaluation of FW, I hold out faith that as long as we keep demanding attention, CCP will have no choice but to listen eventually and respond if they want our continued business.


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