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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.29 10:48:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Har Harrison on 01/09/2011 05:10:20
Edited by: Har Harrison on 02/08/2011 02:44:03
Edited by: Har Harrison on 04/04/2011 06:12:23
I have a question for CCP. Did you miss the round table at Fan Fest for Faction Warfare?

I ask this as a corp mate who attended has just told me no one from CCP turned up. Only the players with an interest in FW were there.
He also said that devs changed the topic when it was brought up with them.
He also said that the previous CSM was unable to bring the topic up successfully (again CCP did not want to know - the devs evaded the topic)

Whilst I would like to see improvements to FW mechanics, I accept that these will not be 5 minutes of coding to achieve. What I DO want to know is if CCP has given up on FW so much that they don't (allegedly) even turn up to their own organised event.

For those who don't know about the state of FW - people are leaving Faction Warfare at the moment as it has purely become a source of easy LP for many people. They only join to get the missions and farm the LP. Stealth Bombers are hard to catch on gates, so they are relatively safe to fly, allowing FW to be almost as safe as regular L4 missions in high sec, with much higher payout. As such, carebears are cashing in massive amounts of LP for faction modules and other kit.

FW should be first and foremost about PvP


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Edit 4/4/2011

CCP have acknowledged they screwed up and ideas for how to proceed are now being put forwards. Please read the thread and add your thoughts as to how steps can be taken to improve FW.

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Edit 2/8/2011
OK - 4 months on and we still don't have any answers from CCP, even though we were PROMISED some BY CCP...

Keep the pressure on and maybe we'll get something - FW did rate reasonably on the CSM prioritisation list...

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/July_2011_Prioritization_Crowdsourcing#Notes_on_Results

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Edit 1/9/2011

Thought I would post a summary of what has happened regarding FW in this and other threads since this thread was made since the new forums are out soon and this thread will probably be locked (again Laughing)

1) Promises that they will make it up to us

2) Promises they will respond to the thread once Soundwave got back from Russia

3) Promises that they will answer the FW questions from the Ask a dev thread

4) The response that they will look at low sec/FW AFTER 0.0

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.03.29 10:52:00 - [2]
 

I too would be very interested to hear anything at all new on the fw development front.

Internetz Spaceship
Posted - 2011.03.29 11:01:00 - [3]
 

I agree, better than keeping a broken feature that they don't like, why not fixing it?

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.29 11:11:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/03/2011 11:11:09
I think that CCP have already made it clear that they couldn't care less about fixing FW, so this comes as no surprise to me Sad

Allant Doran
Amarr
Locus Industries
Posted - 2011.03.29 11:13:00 - [5]
 

Imagine if the only way to get LP in FW was by killing members of the opposite faction.

Sadly, it's basically just hisec missioning in smaller ships. I'm looking to leave it myself in the near future, i don't even want to stay for the LP/ISK from the missions, it's just boring.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.29 11:31:00 - [6]
 

I would encourage everyone who would like to know the answer to this question to show their support in this thread - even if you are not in FW as there is a more fundamental issue that potentially is at stake here.

lord torak
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.03.29 11:44:00 - [7]
 

I too was at this round table, and was annoyed that a rep from CCP didn't turn up. Props to the guy that stayed and took the points down that we talked about, at least they have a chance of being looked at.

When i told one dev. that i was flying with the militia his response was "oh wow, people still play faction warfare?" Hearing this doesn't give me great hope that these points will be heard, but this wont stop me trying.

Cheers
Ben

Cosmic Raider
Capitalist Pig Running Dogs
Posted - 2011.03.29 11:50:00 - [8]
 

Your mistake was thinking that CCP cares about FW.

Grimfang Wyrmspawn
Posted - 2011.03.29 11:54:00 - [9]
 

CCP Rep didn't even bother to turn up? Not a huge surprise.

FW needs a major overhaul and this confirms it just ain't going to happen. Which is disappointing.

Confirms for me my decision to leave the militia.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.29 11:54:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Raider
Your mistake was thinking that CCP cares about FW.


I never said they cared - I asked if they bothered to turn up to one of the round table events that they organised.

Condor Amarr
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:05:00 - [11]
 

This doesn't surprise me at all. With the complete lack of any attention that FW has received, it is painfully obvious that CCP would rather invest their time and resources into..... well, pretty much anything other than FW.

:Thumbs up: Way to go CCP, you continue to impress.

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:10:00 - [12]
 

ccp would look at the numbers online for the fw's and say that it represents a small portion of the population and desirves a small portion of manpower to its development.

fact is fw is fun and could be alot more fun which would attract more players if it had some good features and mechanics.

ccp you PROVED that fw is a good idea, and the thousands of chars involved in it support that. So take a good underdeveloped idea and make it great.

Alexon Moores
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:28:00 - [13]
 

it think that CCP is focused on what was shown on Future Vision video. It seems like they want to get us out of our ships and walking around. I just hope that does not become so involved that there is a mass leaving. it looks like a lot of attention is being focused on Dust and making the sandbox conform to that. I could be wrong.

Lord Meriak
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:41:00 - [14]
 

There a lot of player that been in fw now leaving.

If ccp dont want this anymore.
Just end the war.
fw is over.
Stealth Bombers mission runners and easy lp.
fw is pretty much dead now days i am sorry to say.

Had 1 of my guys travel all the way to fan fest, he comes back, he said ccp does not care about fw and is now leaving corp. i have flown with this guy for 5 years.
that how bad it getting.
mend it or end it

Alissa Solette
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:54:00 - [15]
 

Don't worry FW is being "iterated" upon. Like PI and the other 43 features that CCP all threw into the game any which way and promised to later improve upon. It will be released right after they introduce atmospheric battles/walking on planets/orbital bombardment.

Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:55:00 - [16]
 

My favourite time in eve was the first 6-12months or so of FW, when there were decent corps and FCs and good fleet / roaming PVP. The reason few people bother is because it is broken. CCP need to either remove or fix it, leaving it in its current state is just pointless.

Personally I'd much rather they put a bit of effort into making it playable again.

Veshta Yoshida
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:57:00 - [17]
 

It has been over two years ladies and all we have gotten are new bugs and old bugs squashed.
Do you really think that they care?

If they did indeed a round-table planned and only bothered to send a scribe then I fear there is no hope. Not only are we being ignored, but we are now well and truly abandoned.

Baihuigau
Gallente
Skull Brigade
Posted - 2011.03.29 13:30:00 - [18]
 

Lol their not going to touch FW with a 10th foot pole, its just going to die off, i mean i remember last year or the year before that the big thing for ccp was a industrial expansion with comet mining, dynamic asteroid belts, system wide mining, even somekind of buldozer drone for industrialists and since then nothing not a peep..........ccp is like a little

kid they see shiny things start working on it, but then see something shinier and start working on that instead, besides incarna is their priority anyways......funny just realized in 9 years of eve the only thing that has changed in mining was barges, rocqal and orca, mining mechanics still the same, fw either will stay the same or they will take it out of the game, its a nice feature but badly implemented.

Liorah
Posted - 2011.03.29 13:52:00 - [19]
 

To read the Chronicles, you'd think that the Empires were really at war.

To play the game, "War? What's war?"

FW seemed bolted on, yet they never even tightened the screws. It's a shame that it has degraded into Mission-runner heaven :(

Baihuigau
Gallente
Skull Brigade
Posted - 2011.03.29 14:40:00 - [20]
 

They could always get rid of fw missions and use the incursion mechanics in fw space, get fw players to have to defend it but keep the pvp flag on like they have in fw now so that lets say amar supporters can help their incursion in the minie territory and vice versa, get rid of missions and their stupid capture the flag mechanic they have now.

Lord Meriak
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.29 15:08:00 - [21]
 

We all have ideas on how to change fw.

BUT CCP did not want to listen at there own round table meeting
That's the joke about the whole thing.

Skaarl
Posted - 2011.03.29 15:19:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Raider
Your mistake was thinking that CCP cares about EVE.


there fixed it for you.

Shalee Lianne
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.03.29 18:21:00 - [23]
 

Faction War has the potential to be so much better, it is a shame that no one at CCP realizes that.

There are plenty of paying customers who still do play FW, and our opinions should matter too.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.03.29 18:40:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 29/03/2011 18:46:38

Originally by: Allant Doran
Imagine if the only way to get LP in FW was by killing members of the opposite faction.

Sadly, it's basically just hisec missioning in smaller ships. I'm looking to leave it myself in the near future, i don't even want to stay for the LP/ISK from the missions, it's just boring.


Umm yea.. people would farm LP's by killing their alts or better yet do nothing but sit on stations or gates all day with insta lock canes & thrashers.. Oh wai.. seems half of that has already come true...

As for CCP not caring.. what else is new. TBH, I was amazed they even spent 5 mins on FW revamping the whole mission thing. It's kinda clear they have no real interest in it.

CCP is more interested in space barbie dolls and care bears than worrying about random PVP.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.29 18:49:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Shalee Lianne
Faction War has the potential to be so much better, it is a shame that no one at CCP realizes that.

There are plenty of paying customers who still do play FW, and our opinions should matter too.

CCP is intentionally and knowingly ****ing over 60% of 0.0, and a lot more people live there than do FW. Why do you think they'd give a **** about FW? As long as people keep coming to market-fest, and keep living in marketable alliances that keep having their marketable super-cap battles, and Jita has a marketable population cap, CCP's going to keep working on their marketable bull**** without ever worrying about destroying the time and effort the players have put in to making what would otherwise be a ****ty game awesome.

The message I got from fanfest was that anyone in the company who cares about the players are not decision makers. The decision makers have thoroughly communicated that "we are in it for the money. We are doing things our way no matter how badly it breaks the game experience. and if you don't like it, **** off."

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.03.29 19:07:00 - [26]
 

Nobody showed? Ouch!

To be fair, in June 2010 CCP said it would be 18 months. I know that sucks for us in fw but the truth isn't always what one wants to hear. I think fw is still the best thing in eve. I hope the occupancy plexing gets fixed. But that likely won't happen until incarna is out the door.

They probably didn't have much to say about it because they aren't working on it. If you worked at CCP would you want to sit at that table? I don't blame them. But they could have at least threw a new guy in the chair, stepped back and watched. LaughingTwisted Evil

We made it halfway through the nine months. If you like other things in eve better go do them. I do think we will see a pretty substantial change to occupancy plexing in the summer or winter of 2012.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:17:00 - [27]
 

Just woke up - glad to see more people have shown an interest in this matter. Disappointed that no CCP comment has been received...

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:21:00 - [28]
 

For the record: Apparently also no dev went to the golden circle tour like stated. At least I didn't spot one nor did I hear from anyone who was with one.

Mini McFly
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:25:00 - [29]
 

Having unsubscribed and resubscribe hoping that game play has improved. I am disappointed to be honest. Faction Warfare was excellent small gang pvp to start. Now, it has become just another gotten feature of the game which will never get any attention. Face it. Faction Warfare is a dead horse. CCP is more interested in the new player experience, space book, etc.. It will become a revolving door like WoW and the other big MMO. The die hard pvp pilot will simple move on to other competitive MMO.

Lt Angus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:30:00 - [30]
 

Tried FW on my alt last week, really sad how downhill its gone Sad and it wasnt great to start with.


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