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Terghon Tu
Amarr
DarkNet Node Fanaticus
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:57:00 - [1]
 

Based on the campaign info posted and the vote-match questionnaire, none of the elected CSM6 share my views very closely. A few, the ones with the most votes unfortunately, have opposing viewpoints to mine in most areas.

Are you going to rise up to the position and represent the playerbase regardless of your personal beliefs for EVE? Or will you press forward your own agendas, thinking the election validated your positions?

I'm not a n00b, I've been playing as long as any of you. I've sampled pretty much everything EVE can offer so telling me I don't "get it" or lack experience won't fly. But clearly most of you will disagree with what I think EVE needs, just as I disagree with what you think.

But you've been elected to represent me. Will you?

Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:28:00 - [2]
 

That very likely depends on what you want. If you have a rational understanding of what you think is wrong and what should be done about it then likely yes.

If you're in the windypops" hurf nerf bridges to stick it to nullsec" crowd, this is not a rational platform and unlikely to get much of a response. I say rational. Not necessarily fair. The bridge idea that united nullsec wasn't unfair, it flat out did not connect with the reason that was given to explain it. Rational ideas will find an audience even if they're unfair.

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.28 20:00:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Terghon Tu

But you've been elected to represent me. Will you?


No.

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.28 21:12:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
Originally by: Terghon Tu

But you've been elected to represent me. Will you?


No.

III LightBringer
The Treehugger Corp
Posted - 2011.03.28 21:29:00 - [5]
 

so what are the 3 most important changes you want explained with maximum 217 words?

Terghon Tu
Amarr
DarkNet Node Fanaticus
Posted - 2011.03.29 19:47:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: III LightBringer
so what are the 3 most important changes you want explained with maximum 217 words?


This smacks of a flippant sarcastic response, but I'll answer anyway. Smile

My biggest concern is orphaned or leftover content, especially PvE. When the static complexes were removed and replaced with exploration content, this was great. I think the COSMOS missions need something similar. They're very static, a linear chain with no variations. They're also not repeatable with a single character, which doesn't make sense from a resource standpoint and leads to recycling alts to farm them. More variety in missions would be great; I'd love to see 3-4x the current number of missions at every level. I'd also like to see variety within a level depending on security. Low-sec missions pay more, but it would be nice if some missions were only available in low-sec, or perhaps were much more likely to come up in lowsec.

Faction Warfare needs help. Anti-blobbing measures in any area will help here as well. At the moment, FW has many drawbacks but few reasons to participate. PvE content for FW would help, as would making flipping a system actually mean something and have consequences.

I don't think EVE is broken. I'm happy with CCP's direction and vision so far. Not everything in the game needs to interest me and I expect a good portion of various expansions to contain content I may not see for months, if ever, due to lack of interest. But there are some areas I'd like to see focused upon, and CSM is the organization that should help facilitate that.

Also as a note, I don't think null-sec is broken. Jump bridges seem fine to me. They're useful, but also somewhat fragile. I think the new Sov mechanics work well. Huge blob-fleets are still a problem. I don't think that'll ever go away. Something that helps smaller fleets be more effective, and possibly even counter a blob of up to twice its size, would be great, but not just in null-sec.

Last note: if I'd been able to get my passport processed in time, I would've run for CSM myself. I no doubt will next year. I am that engaged with EVE.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:34:00 - [7]
 

the vote-match questionnaire was junk read people's actual threads

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:38:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 29/03/2011 20:38:53
Originally by: Terghon Tu
Originally by: III LightBringer
so what are the 3 most important changes you want explained with maximum 217 words?


This smacks of a flippant sarcastic response, but I'll answer anyway. Smile

My biggest concern is orphaned or leftover content, especially PvE. When the static complexes were removed and replaced with exploration content, this was great. I think the COSMOS missions need something similar. They're very static, a linear chain with no variations. They're also not repeatable with a single character, which doesn't make sense from a resource standpoint and leads to recycling alts to farm them. More variety in missions would be great; I'd love to see 3-4x the current number of missions at every level. I'd also like to see variety within a level depending on security. Low-sec missions pay more, but it would be nice if some missions were only available in low-sec, or perhaps were much more likely to come up in lowsec.

Faction Warfare needs help. Anti-blobbing measures in any area will help here as well. At the moment, FW has many drawbacks but few reasons to participate. PvE content for FW would help, as would making flipping a system actually mean something and have consequences.

I don't think EVE is broken. I'm happy with CCP's direction and vision so far. Not everything in the game needs to interest me and I expect a good portion of various expansions to contain content I may not see for months, if ever, due to lack of interest. But there are some areas I'd like to see focused upon, and CSM is the organization that should help facilitate that.

Also as a note, I don't think null-sec is broken. Jump bridges seem fine to me. They're useful, but also somewhat fragile. I think the new Sov mechanics work well. Huge blob-fleets are still a problem. I don't think that'll ever go away. Something that helps smaller fleets be more effective, and possibly even counter a blob of up to twice its size, would be great, but not just in null-sec.

Last note: if I'd been able to get my passport processed in time, I would've run for CSM myself. I no doubt will next year. I am that engaged with EVE.


Hi Terghon,

You may (or may not) have noticed that your concerns have been represented in the past (by yours truly among others), and will continue to be.

Now, a few answers (all of which you'll find in the previous CSM minutes, but given here from memory for your convenience):
- COSMOS missions. We asked them to be added to, answer was that the amount of time needed to do cosmos stuff was so big CCP preferred to devote resources to other things, which is a fair point. Chance of them being built upon for the time being is minimal. (more in CSM 3 meeting minutes)

- FW does need a lot of assistance. Not just a bit, the fundamentals don't work very well (other than shooting at one another). In order to turn FW into what it should be, we'd need to ask CCP to devote at least a team exclusively to that for 6 months. Considering there's only 2 not busy with InCarna, I can't in good conscience request that until InCarna is out of the door (ie, 2nd end of the year). That said, there can be improvements requests not specifically targetted at FW that will improve FW (ie, lowsec changes). (more in CSM 4 and 5 meeting minutes)

Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:39:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Weaselior
the vote-match questionnaire was junk read people's actual threads


This. It was a poorly contrived scam, hence why we didn't do it ourselves.

Ronja Mistysdottir
The Treehugger Corp
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:35:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Terghon Tu
Originally by: III LightBringer
so what are the 3 most important changes you want explained with maximum 217 words?


This smacks of a flippant sarcastic response, but I'll answer anyway. Smile

My biggest concern is orphaned or leftover content, especially PvE. When the static complexes were removed and replaced with exploration content, this was great. I think the COSMOS missions need something similar. They're very static, a linear chain with no variations. They're also not repeatable with a single character, which doesn't make sense from a resource standpoint and leads to recycling alts to farm them. More variety in missions would be great; I'd love to see 3-4x the current number of missions at every level. I'd also like to see variety within a level depending on security. Low-sec missions pay more, but it would be nice if some missions were only available in low-sec, or perhaps were much more likely to come up in lowsec.

Faction Warfare needs help. Anti-blobbing measures in any area will help here as well. At the moment, FW has many drawbacks but few reasons to participate. PvE content for FW would help, as would making flipping a system actually mean something and have consequences.

I don't think EVE is broken. I'm happy with CCP's direction and vision so far. Not everything in the game needs to interest me and I expect a good portion of various expansions to contain content I may not see for months, if ever, due to lack of interest. But there are some areas I'd like to see focused upon, and CSM is the organization that should help facilitate that.

Also as a note, I don't think null-sec is broken. Jump bridges seem fine to me. They're useful, but also somewhat fragile. I think the new Sov mechanics work well. Huge blob-fleets are still a problem. I don't think that'll ever go away. Something that helps smaller fleets be more effective, and possibly even counter a blob of up to twice its size, would be great, but not just in null-sec.

Last note: if I'd been able to get my passport processed in time, I would've run for CSM myself. I no doubt will next year. I am that engaged with EVE.


Cosmos missions : They are like other missions. They offer nothing other than different texts and other brackets to tank and shoot. Incursions are kind of new missions.

Faction Warfare anti blobbing?? How will you do that then? What ever they manage to fix for making 0.0 PVP work for small groups, will work for FW. Good luck coming up with anything for this that is not exploitable.


Anyway, the 0.0 reps will have no issues with 'supporting' your wishes.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:55:00 - [11]
 

I represent my voters, not random dudes with entitlement complexes who assume that 'the playerbase' means 'ignoring everyone who voted for candidates who they personally don't like'.

Sleevedace
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.30 20:45:00 - [12]
 

MY CHAIRMAN

Blake Zacary
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:21:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
I represent my voters, not random dudes with entitlement complexes who assume that 'the playerbase' means 'ignoring everyone who voted for candidates who they personally don't like'.

This is why the CSM in it's current form isn't as effective as it should be.We as a customer base have a great opportunity here to really make the CSM a valuable addition to the game,to make it better.CCP won't ever give the CSM any real power as long as people like yourself bring your in-game politics to the table and are only interested in representing a certain group of people.Wether people voted for you or not you are supposed to represent us all and help improve the game.This CSM so far is off to a really bad start and it looks like it'll be as useful as a chocolate teapot.....

Little reminder of what you're suppose to do.....

The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the “greatest good for the greater player base”.


Not the greatest good for the small numbers who voted for you or the greatest good for your coalition !

Terghon Tu
Amarr
DarkNet Node Fanaticus
Posted - 2011.03.31 00:48:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Terghon Tu on 31/03/2011 01:10:46
The reason I asked was that this is the first time to my knowledge there has been an organized effort by a coalition toward candidates. Did Mittani and company use their null alliances to get seats on CSM? Sure. The question is, what was the intention beyond getting seats? Was/is there any overall strategy by the null-sec people to "control" CSM? Seems unlikely, but then I would've said the same about alliances banding together behind candidates too.

Perhaps I gained a false perspective from the vote match site. I used it as one of the tools to research my vote. I also read all the summaries, and read a lot of the Jita Speakers posts as well.

Edit: As a side note, Mittani using his alliance contacts to organize a voting bloc to get a seat, even the chair, is perfectly reasonable. It only becomes suspect if there's an evil hidden agenda Emperor Palpatine style. Very Happy

Of course, even then, one needs to recall the perspective that CSM isn't a ruling body but an advisory council with only as much authority, access, and audience as CCP allows.

I know my concerns for EVE won't be totally unrepresented, but I do wonder if CCP's outlook on what the players want will be skewed by a biased CSM with an agenda (though there's no evidence that CSM6 is biased or has an agenda).

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.31 01:55:00 - [15]
 

im basically a walking talking posting hidden agenda, hth

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.31 09:04:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
im basically a walking talking posting hidden agenda, hth


I stole Page 12 of the Hidden Agenda document before I left Iceland but apparently the whole thing is just pictures of your puppy. What shenanigans is this?

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.31 09:13:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: The Mittani
im basically a walking talking posting hidden agenda, hth

I stole Page 12 of the Hidden Agenda document before I left Iceland but apparently the whole thing is just pictures of your puppy. What shenanigans is this?

It's... it's a cookbook!

CCP Veritas

Posted - 2011.03.31 10:50:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
It's... it's a cookbook!


The guacamole recipe is particularly inspired. Who would have ever thought to put roasted garlic in?

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.31 10:54:00 - [19]
 

That just goes to show how deep the corruption is in CCP. Everybody knows that fresh garlic is what you put in guacamole.


Paulx203
Posted - 2011.03.31 16:37:00 - [20]
 

This should be an interesting CSM judging from this thread. Also this thread made my day.

Yeep
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.31 19:15:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Seleene
I stole Page 12 of the Hidden Agenda document before I left Iceland but apparently the whole thing is just pictures of your puppy. What shenanigans is this?


What you've actually got there is Mittani's "Hidden Gender" document, the two are easily confused.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.31 22:33:00 - [22]
 

I'm really really really obsessed with trying Whale Steak now...

Superintendent Chalmers
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.01 09:01:00 - [23]
 

Well it looks like you'll get a chance to do exactly that, unless you ragequit.

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.01 11:53:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: White Tree
I'm really really really obsessed with trying Whale Steak now...


Gross.

Orkasm
The Remnant Legion.
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.04.01 13:39:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: White Tree
I'm really really really obsessed with trying Whale Steak now...


Gross.


Au Contraire, its F**kin epic.

Terghon Tu
Amarr
DarkNet Node Fanaticus
Posted - 2011.04.01 16:14:00 - [26]
 

I'm not sure I WANT to be represented by someone who would substitute roasted garlic for fresh garlic on whale steak.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.02 00:20:00 - [27]
 

going to reykjavik would be worth it purely to eat the flesh of an intelligent mammal as delicious as the minkie whale, forget all the booze and the blondes wearing basically nothing and the bars open until 6am on weekends

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.02 13:47:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
going to reykjavik would be worth it purely to eat the flesh of an intelligent mammal as delicious as the minkie whale, forget all the booze and the blondes wearing basically nothing and the bars open until 6am on weekends


gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:51:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Bagehi on 06/04/2011 21:52:32
Originally by: Terghon Tu
stuff


If Mittani and Seleene do not spend their time educating the Devs on the mechanics and reality of null sec, I will feel like my votes were wasted. If they can convince someone to iterate on sov, I will do a happy dance.

If you didn't vote for them, they aren't representing you. HTHs.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.07 02:59:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
If Mittani and Seleene do not spend their time educating the Devs on the mechanics and reality of null sec, I will feel like my votes were wasted. If they can convince someone to iterate on sov, I will do a happy dance.

I'm sure setting up a Teacher-Student relationship will get Mittens a lot of work done, cause the devs are just aching to be back to school.


 

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