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Katsura Kotonoha
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:30:00 - [31]
 

Thank god you all didn't vote that guy with aspergers onto the CSM. That is the last thing we need.

EOH Minigin
Perkone
Posted - 2011.03.28 19:45:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: EOH Minigin on 28/03/2011 19:46:24
Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: Blake Zacary
Dev: "Why be blue to everyone around you?"
Mittani: "Because friendship trumps the desire to fight."

This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence for us 0.0 players who want pvp and want it to be fun where skills



I am sorry that you hate friendships, having experienced many friendships in my life, I thoroughly recommend you have a jolly good go at it!



being blue and being friends are far from the same thing.

your alliance claims they trolled own out of the nc? or something??? i dont even know. when i was in the nc the constant excuse given to us for being blue to goons was "we hate goons but we hate bob more".

now days most people dont "know" most of their "friends" and most likely never will.

so tell us again, why would you be blue to everyone around you? and if you can do that, why would you be blue to everyone around you in free pvp area of eve?

i have a feeling this isnt about singing songs by a campfire.


although: i do look forward to your suggestions for conflict drivers and how to manage the lagfests occuring through sheer numbers atm.

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.28 20:03:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Being glad for not being a native English speaker is not racist, it is very rational indeed.
Western world has eaten itself to death and is drowning in its own refuse and corruption.

hahaha you are literally a 14 year old who has just discovered Rage Against The Machine and The Communist Manifesto.

Keep on fighting the good fight against your parents for not letting you grow your hair long or paint your room black I guess.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.03.28 20:54:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 28/03/2011 20:54:21
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
..

Forty plus.
Both parent deceased decades ago.
Pet Shop Boys, PJ Harvey and Nick Cave/Grinderman.

You almost got it right though Smile

PS: Might want to tone down the personal attack paradigm, going to get yourself banned at the rate you are going.

Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.28 20:56:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: EOH Minigin
Edited by: EOH Minigin on 28/03/2011 19:46:24
Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: Blake Zacary
Dev: "Why be blue to everyone around you?"
Mittani: "Because friendship trumps the desire to fight."

This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence for us 0.0 players who want pvp and want it to be fun where skills



I am sorry that you hate friendships, having experienced many friendships in my life, I thoroughly recommend you have a jolly good go at it!



being blue and being friends are far from the same thing.

your alliance claims they trolled own out of the nc? or something??? i dont even know. when i was in the nc the constant excuse given to us for being blue to goons was "we hate goons but we hate bob more".

now days most people dont "know" most of their "friends" and most likely never will.

so tell us again, why would you be blue to everyone around you? and if you can do that, why would you be blue to everyone around you in free pvp area of eve?

i have a feeling this isnt about singing songs by a campfire.


although: i do look forward to your suggestions for conflict drivers and how to manage the lagfests occuring through sheer numbers atm.



Can you please start posting song lyrics again, those were more interesting than these posts of yours Cool

Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2011.03.28 21:31:00 - [36]
 

Step 1 in forging an effective CSM: create a monoculture that can trivially be sidelined and dismissed by CCP as being unrepresentative of the playerbase as a whole and useless as a source of unbiased feedback.

Mel Lifera
Gallente
Ambrye Logistics Ltd.
Posted - 2011.03.28 22:54:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Draco Llasa

Additionally i think the OP is right in the gist of the message. you may not like our in game position, but those of us who are here, are not hear to screw everyone else.. we are here to make the game we love better for all..


Most of us expect epic failure. You've got one year to valiantly prove us wrong; do not waste it.

Jonathan Malcom
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.28 23:03:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Step 1 in forging an effective CSM: create a monoculture that can trivially be sidelined and dismissed by CCP as being unrepresentative of the playerbase as a whole and useless as a source of unbiased feedback.


Generally, people try not to be so brazen about their utter lack of understanding.

But I guess we all have to have something to be proud of.

Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2011.03.29 00:12:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Step 1 in forging an effective CSM: create a monoculture that can trivially be sidelined and dismissed by CCP as being unrepresentative of the playerbase as a whole and useless as a source of unbiased feedback.


Generally, people try not to be so brazen about their utter lack of understanding.

But I guess we all have to have something to be proud of.

Heh. Do be sure to enjoy watching your representatives howling impotently about the anomaly changes and the forthcoming rebalancing of JBs and nullsec logistics in general.

Jonathan Malcom
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.29 01:55:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Heh. Do be sure to enjoy watching your representatives howling impotently about the anomaly changes and the forthcoming rebalancing of JBs and nullsec logistics in general.


I live in fountain and don't fly a capital. None of that really affects me. vOv

But you can always tell that changes are both balanced and healthy when people use them as a weapon against other people.

Courthouse
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.29 05:11:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Step 1 in forging an effective CSM: create a monoculture that can trivially be sidelined and dismissed by CCP as being unrepresentative of the playerbase as a whole and useless as a source of unbiased feedback.


Generally, people try not to be so brazen about their utter lack of understanding.

But I guess we all have to have something to be proud of.

Heh. Do be sure to enjoy watching your representatives howling impotently about the anomaly changes and the forthcoming rebalancing of JBs and nullsec logistics in general.

Regarding anomaly changes, I recommend checking dotlan on the truesec of Deklein.

Regarding JBs and nullsec logistics I recommend checking the Titan tracker in CAOD and Northern JB map that's widely disseminated.

Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2011.03.29 06:40:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
But you can always tell that changes are both balanced and healthy when people use them as a weapon against other people.

People whined (and got taunted about) the nano nerf. As such, it was clearly unhealthy and unwarranted, and should be reverted post-haste!

Originally by: Courthouse
Regarding anomaly changes, I recommend checking dotlan on the truesec of Deklein.

Regarding JBs and nullsec logistics I recommend checking the Titan tracker in CAOD and Northern JB map that's widely disseminated.

So you are upholding the anomaly change as an example of the new CSM's power, influence, and effectiveness? As for the rest... you may want to look up the meaning of the word 'forthcoming'.

Sleevedace
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.30 20:51:00 - [43]
 

Uaxdeath is a really good friend of mittens.

So it's more like 6-3

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:47:00 - [44]
 


Rumple Fourskin
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:34:00 - [45]
 

the csm is the *****ing outlet for ccp. Like they would let any csm dictate game design. They will listen to little issues of course but huge game changing things? harhar.

The csm is nothing more then high demand companies putting a jobs email in their contact area. This email of course goes right to the trash.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:57:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Rumple Fourskin
the csm is the *****ing outlet for ccp. Like they would let any csm dictate game design. They will listen to little issues of course but huge game changing things? harhar.

The csm is nothing more then high demand companies putting a jobs email in their contact area. This email of course goes right to the trash.
This is a very vicious interpretation of our activities :(

Rumple Fourskin
Posted - 2011.04.04 22:18:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: White Tree
This is a very vicious interpretation of our activities :(


Sorry. I dont mean to discourage you and I do think there are issues in eve but I dont feel that ccp needs all this pageantry to figure out what those problems are. I think the csm has a psychological effect on the players base as it makes them feel "in control" and maybe thats a good thing. But I dont think people need to fear NC, Goons or any PLAYER affecting the balance of eve from a game design perspective.

Levistus Junior
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.04.05 09:49:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Levistus Junior on 05/04/2011 09:56:05
Originally by: EnderCapitalG


You think we like the massive laggy blobs?

The only reason they are used is because they are the best tool for the job. The job being smashing a multimillion EHP brick wall (TCU/iHUB/Station) before the enemies bash down your EHP brick wall (SBU) or vice versa.

If there were small gang objectives that couldn't be done any faster with a large blob, they blobs wouldn't need to exist.


This for the most part. Of course, as long as 2 ships kill an enemy faster than a single one, people will try and bring more people than the enemy in order to maximize their success chance in important fights.

However, if the sov fights were split between let's say 10 concurrent objectives instead of one single big one, you'd be much likely to see the 1000 man blob split into 10 100 man fleets, rather than pile every pilot in the same system.

The current sov system simply makes blobs mandatory to either attack or defend.

I for one I'm very much for activity based sov. I'm no game designers so I'm not saying the following would be a good idea, but what if the sov was an index based on number 'man-hours' spent in system X by uncloaked, undocked not in pos shields pilots of a certain corp/alliance/coalition? I think this system would emphasize constant presence in enemy territory, rather than assemble a huge blob for 3-4 hours every 2 days.

Krutoj
Caldari
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.04.05 14:55:00 - [49]
 

The title missing XIX (or DRF if you may) from the list of the powers that corrupted Eve.

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:23:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Imigo Montoya on 06/04/2011 11:23:15
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Step 1 in forging an effective CSM: create a monoculture that can trivially be sidelined and dismissed by CCP as being unrepresentative of the playerbase as a whole and useless as a source of unbiased feedback.


Please explain how a group selected from such a high voter turnout election* could possibly be considered "unrepresentative"? I don't understand it myself.

*Relative to previous elections

Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2011.04.06 16:06:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Edited by: Imigo Montoya on 06/04/2011 11:23:15
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Step 1 in forging an effective CSM: create a monoculture that can trivially be sidelined and dismissed by CCP as being unrepresentative of the playerbase as a whole and useless as a source of unbiased feedback.


Please explain how a group selected from such a high voter turnout election* could possibly be considered "unrepresentative"? I don't understand it myself.

*Relative to previous elections

by definition, a representative sample reflects the composition of the parent group, which was specified as "the playerbase as a whole"
increasing the sample size does not automatically make it more representative or reduce bias and can in fact make it less representative and more biased if sampling is conducted without due care
hth

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:28:00 - [52]
 

Whine less, vote more - next time.

We're already pretty united; the commentary about a 6/3 split or whatever is uninformed nonsense. EVE has so many obvious problems with it that there's no need to advocate controversial positions; we can find common ground that the entire CSM can rally behind.

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.06 18:36:00 - [53]
 

You hush up with your 'logic' and your 'sense,' and let the angry people be paranoid.

Sebastian Myers
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.07 14:01:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Mel Lifera
Originally by: Draco Llasa

Additionally i think the OP is right in the gist of the message. you may not like our in game position, but those of us who are here, are not hear to screw everyone else.. we are here to make the game we love better for all..


Most of us expect epic failure. You've got one year to valiantly prove us wrong; do not waste it.
I disagree! Most people, I believe, do not expect failure on their part. As for the people that do may not understand completely how the CSM works. The success of the CSM relies heavily on the players to bring their opinions/ concerns up to them in the best way possible. A group bringing a well organized proposition with enough support behind it to the CSM I am confident that it will be noticed by the leaders that have been elected to speak for the people to CCP. Although, with enough negative reinforcement and lack of support for a CSM, no matter who is in charge, it will always seem to be a fail CSM. I also do not understand why so many fear that having a NC majority on the CSM is a terrible thing. Granted it is in all likelihood that issues concerning the NC will be brought up sooner or with more ferocity, but that is not just because they are on the CSM that is because a greater percentage of people voted for them and those people expect something done about their problems just like you. Also, them having a big portion of the counsel does not do much else then help bounce resolutions off of one another for their more common goals. There is no big vote... at least not an official one to my knowledge. Internal votes may occur, but none-the-less it doesn't matter if CCP doesnt agree with the outcome.
The only thing I can see people worried about the makeup of any CSM is that from time to time CCP may bounce confidential ideas off of the CSM to see how the player would feel about these changes. The idea may be good but not appeal to the individual or the entire CSM at the time. Just bad timing on CCP's part.
If I left something out or seem to be misunderstanding something please quote me and explain. Thank you! Wink

Gerard Gendri
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.04.11 19:01:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Blake Zacary
Dev: "Why be blue to everyone around you?"
Mittani: "Because friendship trumps the desire to fight."

This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence for us 0.0 players who want pvp and want it to be fun where skills,tactics and thinking out the box can come into play.Not boring massive blobs in the one single focal point with just point,click (llllaaaaagggg) shoot primary ! I want to be proven wrong but just now I just can't see you all leaving the in-game politics at the door and going into CSM as Eve customers like us who want to improve the game play for everyone.I fully suspect you'll all be having 'coalition meetings' outside of normal CSM ones to work out the changes that will affect your coalition not the player base as a whole,since you'll have prior advance notice ahead of the rest of us.Will you really push for things that balance the game but are bad for your coalition ? But like I said I do want to be wrong and if you do a great job I'll be the first to vote for you next time.......well not you as west Brits should be banned from any and all politics tbh Very Happy






You certainly do think outside the box.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.11 23:37:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: LordElfa
The characters that the goons and NC play in EVE are not who they are in real life and its the real life people who are going to be manning this CSM.
By golly, I think youíre right. Those videos of Darius Johnson giving a presentation heís 20 minutes late for while drunk off his rear are obviously a smear campaign. Similarly, the video hangin with the goons is an out of context bit of libel. Iím sure when Mits said he went to Iceland on an 8 day bender that what he really meant was he went there to confer with others on how to best serve EVE in an informal setting and enjoy some of the sights to be seen there. These people are obviously misunderstood and clearly upstanding pillars of the community. Seriously? Like anything else in life, some are and some arenít.


Originally by: LordElfa
They have a large stake in both repairing and maintaining integrity in EVE.
The parts of EVE they like. What about the parts they donít like?

Originally by: LordElfa
For once we have a CSM comprised of members who really play this game for all its worth and very much want to see this game succeed.
And those other CSMís were comprised ofÖÖÖ..?

Originally by: LordElfa
Let them try and give them some damn encouragement. I for one will laugh out ******* loud when its the NC that finally succeeds where all others have failed and I'll be laughing at the nay sayers.
Okay, but itís a little hard to see how theyíre going to do anything but succeed when you look at the first item theyíve chosen to spot light, Time Dialation.

Time Dialation, has been in Assembly Hall for some time http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1422034 and has had a lot of support. Even mine. CCP has it in development on one of their teams. If CSM6 succeeds in pushing it through a little faster than it already is scheduled for, Iím all for it. Itís just a little difficult to give them accolades for getting something done that is already being done.

What exactly do you anticipate CSM6 succeeding at that the other CSMís have failed at?

-Windjammer

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.11 23:43:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Whine less, vote more - next time.

We're already pretty united; the commentary about a 6/3 split or whatever is uninformed nonsense. EVE has so many obvious problems with it that there's no need to advocate controversial positions; we can find common ground that the entire CSM can rally behind.
Sounds good. Hereís hoping. I AM impressed with the upgraded inter-communication being used by members of CSM6. About freakin time.

-Windjammer

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.04.12 15:56:00 - [58]
 

We took our own initiatives and maintain constant communication in order so that we're all informed about what we're doing and how we address things.

Yeep
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.13 12:17:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
Iím sure when Mits said he went to Iceland on an 8 day bender that what he really meant was he went there to confer with others on how to best serve EVE in an informal setting and enjoy some of the sights to be seen there.



Oh no, man on holiday consumes alcoholic drink, quick call the internet police!

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.13 15:42:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Yeep
Originally by: Windjammer
Iím sure when Mits said he went to Iceland on an 8 day bender that what he really meant was he went there to confer with others on how to best serve EVE in an informal setting and enjoy some of the sights to be seen there.



Oh no, man on holiday consumes alcoholic drink, quick call the internet police!
Oh no, sarcasm from a goon in which an ď8 day benderĒ becomes possibly one drink. Itís so unexpected. Whatever shall I do?


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