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LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.03.27 17:44:00 - [1]
 

Good. I posted this elsewhere and I'll post it here as well.

Look, the fact is that while the Goons and NC may be ruthless bastards, they actually do care about and have time and money invested in EVE. They want this game to be polished and fixed because that benefits them and in turn, it benefits us.

Personally, I think they'll use this opportunity to gain some respect from the EVE playerbase for their ability to get things done and be unified while doing it. These people may be some of the most evil players in EVE, but in real life many of them are responsible and highly intelligent individuals. They play the game like *******s because thats is the game. However, what they do in the CSM is not the game, its the technical workings of the game and I think that they'll bring to the table, not the ******* characters they play, but the truly intelligent and responsible people they are in real life since that is what they'll need if they wish to get things accomplished.

You want to call me names because I support them, fine, we shall see. Don't judge a real life book by its in game cover you bunch of whiners.

Give them a chance to do what the other CSM's couldn't, which is do more than blow hot air.



...and if they do screw us all, well, that will be fun too so suck it up, this isn't WoW after all.


Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.03.27 18:12:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Franklin Delano Roosevelt on 27/03/2011 18:28:55
Agreed. Just because a lot of them are in the NC (UAxDeath as a full member and krutoj as an alternate in the DRF even) doesn't mean they're going to try and tailor the game towards them, as many sensationalists think that they will do. With a combined front also shared by Seleene, Meissa and Trebor, I think this CSM will be the most productive one ever.

Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.27 20:54:00 - [3]
 

Who's controlling your game now, Molle?

Mel Lifera
Gallente
Ambrye Logistics Ltd.
Posted - 2011.03.27 21:10:00 - [4]
 

I say we wait until they've achieved something to begin lauding their achievements. After 5 CSM's, the only rational thing to expect is not much.

The biggest question on my mind is, should that again happen, will they blame their inability to work together and accomplish anything on evil CCP being evil, like certain members of all those other CSMs have done; or will they concede incompetence and unwillingness to compromise?

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.27 21:44:00 - [5]
 

I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised.

Blake Zacary
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.03.27 22:20:00 - [6]
 

Dev: "Why be blue to everyone around you?"
Mittani: "Because friendship trumps the desire to fight."

This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence for us 0.0 players who want pvp and want it to be fun where skills,tactics and thinking out the box can come into play.Not boring massive blobs in the one single focal point with just point,click (llllaaaaagggg) shoot primary ! I want to be proven wrong but just now I just can't see you all leaving the in-game politics at the door and going into CSM as Eve customers like us who want to improve the game play for everyone.I fully suspect you'll all be having 'coalition meetings' outside of normal CSM ones to work out the changes that will affect your coalition not the player base as a whole,since you'll have prior advance notice ahead of the rest of us.Will you really push for things that balance the game but are bad for your coalition ? But like I said I do want to be wrong and if you do a great job I'll be the first to vote for you next time.......well not you as west Brits should be banned from any and all politics tbh Very Happy




White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.27 22:26:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Blake Zacary
Dev: "Why be blue to everyone around you?"
Mittani: "Because friendship trumps the desire to fight."

This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence for us 0.0 players who want pvp and want it to be fun where skills



I am sorry that you hate friendships, having experienced many friendships in my life, I thoroughly recommend you have a jolly good go at it!

But an act of intervention to create social barriers that don't exist or have been broken down would contradict much of the sort of ideology that is set down in CCP's white papers. However, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be real and genuine conflict drivers.

I have personal suggestions I've yet to write down (but I assure you they're in my head) and I need to sit down and flesh it out with other CSM's and get feedback, so that we can operate and influence structures and ideas within our field of control/influence.

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.27 22:26:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Blake Zacary
Dev: "Why be blue to everyone around you?"
Mittani: "Because friendship trumps the desire to fight."

This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence for us 0.0 players who want pvp and want it to be fun where skills,tactics and thinking out the box can come into play.Not boring massive blobs in the one single focal point with just point,click (llllaaaaagggg) shoot primary ! I want to be proven wrong but just now I just can't see you all leaving the in-game politics at the door and going into CSM as Eve customers like us who want to improve the game play for everyone.I fully suspect you'll all be having 'coalition meetings' outside of normal CSM ones to work out the changes that will affect your coalition not the player base as a whole,since you'll have prior advance notice ahead of the rest of us.Will you really push for things that balance the game but are bad for your coalition ? But like I said I do want to be wrong and if you do a great job I'll be the first to vote for you next time.......well not you as west Brits should be banned from any and all politics tbh Very Happy



You think we like the massive laggy blobs?

The only reason they are used is because they are the best tool for the job. The job being smashing a multimillion EHP brick wall (TCU/iHUB/Station) before the enemies bash down your EHP brick wall (SBU) or vice versa.

If there were small gang objectives that couldn't be done any faster with a large blob, they blobs wouldn't need to exist.

Grim Savage
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.27 22:34:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Grim Savage on 27/03/2011 22:37:05
Originally by: Blake Zacary
Dev: "Why be blue to everyone around you?"
Mittani: "Because friendship trumps the desire to fight."

This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence for us 0.0 players who want pvp and want it to be fun where skills,tactics and thinking out the box can come into play.Not boring massive blobs in the one single focal point with just point,click (llllaaaaagggg) shoot primary ! I want to be proven wrong but just now I just can't see you all leaving the in-game politics at the door and going into CSM as Eve customers like us who want to improve the game play for everyone.I fully suspect you'll all be having 'coalition meetings' outside of normal CSM ones to work out the changes that will affect your coalition not the player base as a whole,since you'll have prior advance notice ahead of the rest of us.Will you really push for things that balance the game but are bad for your coalition ? But like I said I do want to be wrong and if you do a great job I'll be the first to vote for you next time.......well not you as west Brits should be banned from any and all politics tbh Very Happy






Under current game mechanics there is NOTHING your alliance can do in Period Basis to stand against an attack by any serious block.
Alliances like yours are the one that have the most to gain by having 'Serious business Internet space-ship pilots' at the CSM table.

How do you think that Vera Cruz Alliance would do in Period Basis with no beacons, no jump bridges and no local channel? That is just some of the stuff that 'stupid people' have suggest for fixing 0.0 space.


Ohh, and skills get you NOWHERE in eve online. You have 2 things that work. Supercaps / Carriers / HIC's & DIC's OR, loads of logistic ships and enough firepower to kill 1 primary every 30 or so seconds. Those are the ONLY 2 versions that work.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.27 22:34:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: EnderCapitalG

If there were small gang objectives that couldn't be done any faster with a large blob, they blobs wouldn't need to exist.


Strictly speaking, this is not exaaaaactly true.
Improving sov objectives would reduce the need for massive fleets, but there will still be points of conflict that call for them. If, for instance, you are Badguy Alliance A and I am White Hat Alliance B, and I decide to reinforce six of your CSAA POS's, when it comes time to knock them down I'm probably going to throw the kitchen sink at you and you're probably going to bring everything you have to defend.

The core problem is simply an issue of both mathematics and human nature.
People like winning. They don't like losing. 10 DPS is more than 2 DPS. A defender who ship has 100 DPS will die more quickly to 10 DPS than to 2 DPS. That will, in turn, take DPS off the fleet that's attacking him.

We'll always see fleets large enough to grant an advance.
Quantity, after all, has a quality all its own.

Blake Zacary
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.03.27 22:56:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: Blake Zacary
Dev: "Why be blue to everyone around you?"
Mittani: "Because friendship trumps the desire to fight."

This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence for us 0.0 players who want pvp and want it to be fun where skills



I am sorry that you hate friendships, having experienced many friendships in my life, I thoroughly recommend you have a jolly good go at it!

But an act of intervention to create social barriers that don't exist or have been broken down would contradict much of the sort of ideology that is set down in CCP's white papers. However, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be real and genuine conflict drivers.

I have personal suggestions I've yet to write down (but I assure you they're in my head) and I need to sit down and flesh it out with other CSM's and get feedback, so that we can operate and influence structures and ideas within our field of control/influence.

This is the kinda reponce I suspected and it just confirms my current thoughts on the CSM.Nowhere in my post did I say I was against coalitions (friends as you call them) in fact I think we need coalitions to a certain degree,to have the end game situation of two big groups of people fighting eachother.What I don't like is the way the game drags people into one focal point.I would love to see battle lines getting drawn up where there could be some sort of 'war front' where you could have multipul objectives with multipul battles all alone the war front.Where things like guerrilla warfare behind enemy lines can come into play,big battles that are really decoys for one side or the other to do another objective etc,etc

And if you really do think we should just go about wearing flowers in our hair and making loads of love buddies in 0.0 and not fight like Mittani seems to want,are you lot really the best people for the CSM ?

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.27 23:00:00 - [12]
 

I wholeheartedly agree with you. There should be dramatic conflict drivers which may bring the desire to invade up to the same level as the desire to befriend. But as for a means to accomplish that goal right this second, I'm keeping my cards close to my chest with my suggestions.

(because I haven't discussed them with my fellow csms!)

(actual reason: I am very insecure)

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.03.28 01:47:00 - [13]
 

I'm just glad that this CSM doesn't appear to have any interpersonal issues.

Alice Desharpe
Posted - 2011.03.28 02:29:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
I'm just glad that this CSM doesn't appear to have any interpersonal issues.


Yet.

Draco Llasa
Thundercats
Posted - 2011.03.28 02:37:00 - [15]
 

I would like to point out that really what you have is:
3 - Goons/Test (NC BFFs)
2 - NC
1 - DRF
3 - Non powerbloc

I will agree that the CSM is power bloc heavy, but is not NC controlled, but yes NC/Goon/Test is 5/9 of the seats.

Additionally i think the OP is right in the gist of the message. you may not like our in game position, but those of us who are here, are not hear to screw everyone else.. we are here to make the game we love better for all..

I do hope we get the chance to do so properly together as 1 team.

Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.28 02:48:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Pirokobo on 28/03/2011 02:50:07
Originally by: Draco Llasa
I would like to point out that really what you have is:
3 - Goons/Test (NC BFFs)
2 - NC
1 - DRF
3 - Non powerbloc

I will agree that the CSM is power bloc heavy, but is not NC controlled, but yes NC/Goon/Test is 5/9 of the seats.


Death does get along better with Mittens then with the NC as a whole.

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2011.03.28 06:27:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 28/03/2011 06:27:23
NC's idea of "better for everyone" is maintaining the status quo and eventually changing the server name from Tranquility to Trammel.

Siecen K'Solaran
Posted - 2011.03.28 07:10:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 28/03/2011 06:27:23
NC's idea of "better for everyone" is maintaining the status quo and eventually changing the server name from Tranquility to Trammel.


[Citation needed]

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.28 07:15:00 - [19]
 

Look, we've been given got paranoia, smears and fallacies.
On top of you want cites, too?

Have you no shame?!?

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.28 10:50:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Draco Llasa
I would like to point out that really what you have is:
3 - Goons/Test (NC BFFs)
2 - NC
1 - DRF
3 - Non powerbloc

I will agree that the CSM is power bloc heavy, but is not NC controlled, but yes NC/Goon/Test is 5/9 of the seats.


What a load of bull****. Goons and TEST fall right under the NC dictated standings and have been for a while now. So please stop trying to spin it like they are not part of the NC.

5 - NC
1 - DRF
3 - Non powerbloc

That is the list.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.28 10:53:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: Draco Llasa
I would like to point out that really what you have is:
3 - Goons/Test (NC BFFs)
2 - NC
1 - DRF
3 - Non powerbloc

I will agree that the CSM is power bloc heavy, but is not NC controlled, but yes NC/Goon/Test is 5/9 of the seats.


What a load of bull****. Goons and TEST fall right under the NC dictated standings and have been for a while now. So please stop trying to spin it like they are not part of the NC.

5 - NC
1 - DRF
3 - Non powerbloc

That is the list.


Culturally, the Clusterf*ck Coalition and The NC are very different. Resources and manpower are also managed differently.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.03.28 10:55:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Draco Llasa
I would like to point out that really what you have is:
3 - Goons/Test (NC BFFs)
2 - NC
1 - DRF
3 - Non powerbloc



What we really have is:
5 - cheeseburger inhaling yanks
1 - milk bagger
1 - dropbear farmer
1 - chocolatier
1 - upstanding individual from a glorious country


I worry.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.28 12:53:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: LordElfa
Personally, I think they'll use this opportunity to gain some respect from the EVE playerbase


You can't expect peoples respect when you have any for others and the only opinion that counts it's yours, this is a fact.
Maybe start by avoiding pubbie and gay pride comments in a game forum it should be a good start.

And this is for all the starting block goonies waiting posts like mine to add "not english native", I answer "thank god I'm not"


Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.28 13:28:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: Draco Llasa
I would like to point out that really what you have is:
3 - Goons/Test (NC BFFs)
2 - NC
1 - DRF
3 - Non powerbloc

I will agree that the CSM is power bloc heavy, but is not NC controlled, but yes NC/Goon/Test is 5/9 of the seats.


What a load of bull****. Goons and TEST fall right under the NC dictated standings and have been for a while now. So please stop trying to spin it like they are not part of the NC.

5 - NC
1 - DRF
3 - Non powerbloc

That is the list.


Culturally, the Clusterf*ck Coalition and The NC are very different. Resources and manpower are also managed differently.


The NC basically consists of a dozen alliances that constantly snipe moons from each other at every opportunity. They are not 'friends' in the sense that GSF and TEST are.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.28 14:00:00 - [25]
 

I was unaware goons and test had reset the rest of the NC. Apologies then.

When did you reset your standings with them? How does it feel to be independent and able to stand on your own for once without the other alliances in NC to prop you up?

Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.28 14:06:00 - [26]
 

It surprises me more that people still think that the CSM will have some kind of major influence on CCP's goals, or currently lack of.

The only thing that I want this CSM to do, is place spycams around the ccp headquarters so that we can see that CCP is usually just busy sticking their fingers up their asses pretending to know what actually goes on in this game and I would like to get a backdoor into their logging system, because I would really love to see those non-showing logs!

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.28 14:21:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
I would really love to see those non-showing logs!


Don't say I've never done nuthin' for ya.

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.28 15:41:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Swynet
And this is for all the starting block goonies waiting posts like mine to add "not english native", I answer "thank god I'm not"


Hey Finn, we can add "racist" to your list now!

Originally by: Marconius Onion
I was unaware goons and test had reset the rest of the NC. Apologies then.

When did you reset your standings with them? How does it feel to be independent and able to stand on your own for once without the other alliances in NC to prop you up?


Wow. He MAD.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.03.28 15:58:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 28/03/2011 16:00:37
Fat-cats, whose sole interest is in maintaining the flawed status quo, can "blob" the few common sense votes on the council.

It will be the first CSM cycle where the council has absolutely no impact on the game (CSM1 doesn't count because it was a media stunt Very Happy).

One can only hope it is too little too late and that CCP already has an outline for Sov Mk.III in place, plus the balls to flip the fingers-in-ear CSM the bird.
Originally by: Feligast
Hey Finn, we can add "racist" to your list now!

Being glad for not being a native English speaker is not racist, it is very rational indeed.
Western world has eaten itself to death and is drowning in its own refuse and corruption.

Long live the East!

LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.03.28 16:57:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Swynet
Originally by: LordElfa
Personally, I think they'll use this opportunity to gain some respect from the EVE playerbase


You can't expect peoples respect when you have any for others and the only opinion that counts it's yours, this is a fact.
Maybe start by avoiding pubbie and gay pride comments in a game forum it should be a good start.

And this is for all the starting block goonies waiting posts like mine to add "not english native", I answer "thank god I'm not"




It sounds like to me that you have issues separating real life from fantasy. The characters that the goons and NC play in EVE are not who they are in real life and its the real life people who are going to be manning this CSM. They have a large stake in both repairing and maintaining integrity in EVE.

Get your heads out of your asses people and wake up/grow up. For once we have a CSM comprised of members who really play this game for all its worth and very much want to see this game succeed.

Let them try and give them some damn encouragement. I for one will laugh out ****ing loud when its the NC that finally succeeds where all others have failed and I'll be laughing at the nay sayers.


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