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Ozmandu
Posted - 2011.03.27 03:40:00 - [1]
 

Candidates eliminated by method of THUNDERDOME!

No more Bloc stacking and Nullsec Advantage (we all know that Nullseccers can't solo worth a ****, blobtastic is all they know)

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.27 03:51:00 - [2]
 

Calm down. Have some dip.

Ozmandu
Posted - 2011.03.27 04:01:00 - [3]
 

Without Chip? are you mad Woman!

Mister Rocknrolla
Posted - 2011.03.27 04:01:00 - [4]
 


I propose selection is made via Russian Roulette played with an an automatic pistol.


Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Eve Industrial Corp
Posted - 2011.03.27 06:27:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

I propose selection is made via Russian Roulette played with an an automatic pistol.




Candidate A places firearm to head

CLICK

Candidate B places firearm to head

CLICK

Candidate C (Mittani), picks up firearm, loads each chamber and ensures total victory.

CSM is dead long live the CSM.


Although playing Russian Roulette with an automatic pistol isn't exciting. (yes I saw what you did there).

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.03.27 08:43:00 - [6]
 

Bahh who really cares, CCP dont listen to what the CSM say anyway, this term would be no different, it just is a shame all the drama and fun is over, last few weeks were pretty entertaining, now this forum will turn into a graveyard with the occasional "I am obsessed with Molle" thread, oh wait Mittani usually does that on CAOD.

Blake Zacary
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.03.27 09:44:00 - [7]
 

I can understand your disappointment as the CSM should be about putting in-game politics aside and joining together as a customer base to make the game better for all of us.What we have now is a little clique who's only interest is to change the game to suit themselves ! Sadly because of this the CSM will never be given any real kind of power,making it more a show case for CCP and a free holiday for some.Instead of a proper way for us to be heard and improve the game in all it's different aspects and styles of game play.

As a 0.0 player I'm even more let down after seeing some of the comments at the recent 0.0 round table at fanfest...

Dev: "Why be blue to everyone around you?"
Mittani: "Because friendship trumps the desire to fight."

and this is the fool who was voted Chair !

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.03.27 09:51:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Blake Zacary

Dev: "Why be blue to everyone around you?"
Mittani: "Because friendship trumps the desire to fight."




Link vid, you know since CCP are aware of this NAP protection, it will change making it useless to NAP, lets see if they stay friends when NAPing is pointless

Kan'loch Lacoud
Broski Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.27 14:04:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

I propose selection is made via Russian Roulette played with an an automatic pistol.




Of course everything russian in eve has to be automated.

Jonathan Malcom
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.27 14:28:00 - [10]
 

Pre-election: "We have to band together to stop the EVIL NULLSEC BLOCK from ruining our game!"

Post-election: "Didn't want that CSM anyway."

Quality stuff.

What you guys don't seem to understand is that the nullsec candidates are far more concerned about the overall health of the game than even you are. Of course they are. They have far more invested in it's continuance and preservation.

I heard an interview on one of the Eve podcasts with a CCP employee (I don't remember which one) and he described the CSM as "a group of expert users." Thats absolutely the correct way to look at them. They're users who are familiar with every aspect of the game. That describes the new CSM lineup very well.

The sky is not actually falling. You can relax.

Harrigan VonStudly
Original Sin.
Underworld Excavators
Posted - 2011.03.27 15:51:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Pre-election: "We have to band together to stop the EVIL NULLSEC BLOCK from ruining our game!"

Post-election: "Didn't want that CSM anyway."

Quality stuff.

What you guys don't seem to understand is that the nullsec candidates are far more concerned about the overall health of the game than even you are. Of course they are. They have far more invested in it's continuance and preservation.

I heard an interview on one of the Eve podcasts with a CCP employee (I don't remember which one) and he described the CSM as "a group of expert users." Thats absolutely the correct way to look at them. They're users who are familiar with every aspect of the game. That describes the new CSM lineup very well.

The sky is not actually falling. You can relax.


I have to disagree with ya Jonathan.Based on what is splattered all over the place I am of the opinion that null sec players only give a rats ass about null sec. While I do not live in high sec I will use high sec as an example. It appears that most null sec dwellers despise high sec. Especially anyone who pvp's in high sec. But the whining about the Dev blog throwing out some future changes to 0.0 sure has said null sec dwellers whailing like little girls about "nerf high sec lvl 4 missions". Concluding, when any other day of the week is ffffffuu high sec then there should be no *****ing or say about high sec anything by null players. If it's so horribad any other time then stfu about the missions there.

There should be a change to the voting for CSM. Null blocks can completely control the CSM every year if they want to. That leaves out a lot of the players not being represented. This is why in the U.S. popular vote is not used. All the smaller populated places between the coasts would have absolutely no voice as the large metro areas would pack the gov. with their candidates. There has to be a line somewhere.




Skylev
Posted - 2011.03.27 18:40:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly

I have to disagree with ya Jonathan.Based on what is splattered all over the place I am of the opinion that null sec players only give a rats ass about null sec. While I do not live in high sec I will use high sec as an example. It appears that most null sec dwellers despise high sec. Especially anyone who pvp's in high sec. But the whining about the Dev blog throwing out some future changes to 0.0 sure has said null sec dwellers whailing like little girls about "nerf high sec lvl 4 missions". Concluding, when any other day of the week is ffffffuu high sec then there should be no *****ing or say about high sec anything by null players. If it's so horribad any other time then stfu about the missions there.

There should be a change to the voting for CSM. Null blocks can completely control the CSM every year if they want to. That leaves out a lot of the players not being represented. This is why in the U.S. popular vote is not used. All the smaller populated places between the coasts would have absolutely no voice as the large metro areas would pack the gov. with their candidates. There has to be a line somewhere.



You do realise that this is democracy in action. Turns out that a large proportion of the game is in 0.0, and a large proportion of them vote.
WHO WOULD OF THUNK IT.

The CSM is elected based on the general concencus of the playerbase, if that concencus is 0.0 based then we're going to have a 0.0 based CSM.

Its fair, there is no fairer way. If you want a concencus thats not 0.0 based then get support for low-sec and high-sec matters and next year get people to vote more for them.

Jonathan Malcom
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.27 19:26:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly
I have to disagree with ya Jonathan.Based on what is splattered all over the place I am of the opinion that null sec players only give a rats ass about null sec. While I do not live in high sec I will use high sec as an example. It appears that most null sec dwellers despise high sec. Especially anyone who pvp's in high sec. But the whining about the Dev blog throwing out some future changes to 0.0 sure has said null sec dwellers whailing like little girls about "nerf high sec lvl 4 missions". Concluding, when any other day of the week is ffffffuu high sec then there should be no *****ing or say about high sec anything by null players. If it's so horribad any other time then stfu about the missions there.

There should be a change to the voting for CSM. Null blocks can completely control the CSM every year if they want to. That leaves out a lot of the players not being represented. This is why in the U.S. popular vote is not used. All the smaller populated places between the coasts would have absolutely no voice as the large metro areas would pack the gov. with their candidates. There has to be a line somewhere.


To address the second point first, there are FAR more people in empire than in 0.0. The idea that we should change the voting system because a majority decided to abstain is ridiculous. It was important to me that people who knew what the **** was going on got on the CSM. So I voted for them.

No one has been victimized here. People just didn't participate.

Im not going to put words in someone else's mouth, but the contempt for empire dwellers seems, at least from my perspective, to stem from the fact that people in empire are knowingly and willingly taking advantage of the skewed risk/reward ratio available there.

Im sure the argument will be made that same imbalance is present in northern 0.0, but (a) it's not (420 loose ratting carriers errday), and even if it were, people in northern 0.0 are safe because we've built that safety ourselves with home defense fleets, gate camps, et cetera. As opposed to being safe by virtue of artificial rules the developers put into place.

Ozmandu
Posted - 2011.03.27 19:29:00 - [14]
 

Will you guys stop serious'ing up my Troll thread, there is one option and i stick by it, THUNDERDOME if EVE is Everyone Vs Everyone online, then surely the best way to decide our representatives would be a battle royale it makes sense! Politics have nothing to do with shooty spaceships!

Suveitar
Posted - 2011.03.27 22:26:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Suveitar on 27/03/2011 22:26:23
Go here for a serious attack of seriousness!


And now back to battle royale!

YARRRR!!Crash! Boom! Zang!YARRRR!!

Ronja Mistysdottir
The Treehugger Corp
Posted - 2011.03.28 17:04:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ozmandu
Candidates eliminated by method of THUNDERDOME!

No more Bloc stacking and Nullsec Advantage (we all know that Nullseccers can't solo worth a ****, blobtastic is all they know)


This will never work.
Goons would just enter in 500 people in the elections, test 300, Razor a few hundred and so on. With a carrier blob of 500 carriers it would be doable to keep the titans alive long enough to have the blob of super carriers chew through the opposition until there where no hostiles left, at witch time everyone but the once they agreed upon getting a seat was left on the grid.

This would have granted the NC and a couple of other pilots (like Seleene) all the seats

Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.29 16:21:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Pirokobo on 29/03/2011 16:22:17
Quote:
this is why in the us the popular vote is not used


Actually its because electors were the only practical means of conveying vote data from the states two hundred and thirty years age. That and Madison wasn't nearly as pro-plebeian as Jefferson was.

Sebastian Myers
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.07 14:15:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ozmandu
Candidates eliminated by method of THUNDERDOME!

Lol +1 for your joke not your cause Laughing

auropobia
Posted - 2011.04.15 19:00:00 - [19]
 

Actually the only way I can see of doing it in an election where people choose to vote or not and have it distributed like it is in major countries world wide where you set it up with a number of seats based on the actual populations of areas. In the last economic snap shot they did it gave fairly sound numbers for areas. So for instance set up the seats as two for each empire space (so 8) then one for the country i.e. 0.0 as high and lo-sec make up 86% of the total population and 0.0 makes up only 11.26%
Type
Population Q3 2010 pop Q4 2010 pop Q3 % of Total Q4 % of Total
High Sec 553502 611732 79.56% 79.61%
Low sec 48346 51342 6.95% 6.68%
Null sec 76999 86487 11.07% 11.26%
Wormhole 16846 18812 2.42% 2.45%

With the latest CSM actually mobilizing the 0.0 population we now have the minority speaking for the majority (or for them selves alone, this is yet to be seen, but the time dilation lag fix being the major point of their first release, the outlook is not good). It could be worse it could have been a lot of pure traders who never fly running the CSM. My only real evidence I have seen so far of how ineffective this CSM might be is every one who has said some thing against the new CSM is attacked in the Forums by members of goonswarm. So All I can say on that is please work hard for all of the Eve community and dont turn the CSM from something mildly useful into the PR exercise CSM 1 was.

So my proposal is to merely have seats, where the seat represents the population numbers and allow people running for the elections to attempt election only in one seat. Thus allowing for a more representative approch for the CSM to cover all areas of play.Very Happy

Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Eve Industrial Corp
Posted - 2011.04.17 09:32:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: auropobia
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So my proposal is to merely have seats, where the seat represents the population numbers and allow people running for the elections to attempt election only in one seat. Thus allowing for a more representative approch for the CSM to cover all areas of play.Very Happy


Interesting idea certainly.

What about people (people are elected not the character) with characters in null and empire, do they have to pick one seat or contest for two different seats.

What about the population difference between e.g Caldari and Amarr regions? Could a caldari pilot vote for an amarrian seat candidate if they so chose?

Although it's a great idea, Eve is a bit too fluid to trust you'll be in the same area for the next 12 months.

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.04.17 10:03:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Malcom

What you guys don't seem to understand is that the nullsec candidates are far more concerned about the overall health of the game than even you are. Of course they are. They have far more invested in it's continuance and preservation.


The first meeting confirmed they have absolutely no interest in the overall health of Eve.

Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.17 11:33:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 17/04/2011 11:39:10

Originally by: Zelda Wei
Originally by: Jonathan Malcom

What you guys don't seem to understand is that the nullsec candidates are far more concerned about the overall health of the game than even you are. Of course they are. They have far more invested in it's continuance and preservation.


The first meeting confirmed they have absolutely no interest in the overall health of Eve.

In your opinion. In my opinion, after attending the meeting and talking to some of them on their public channel after it they have no OTHER interest than the health of Eve.

In my opinion, one of us is a sad, bitter, and cowardly troll.

Feel free to join members of the community on text, on voice, on out of game forums, and even on comms channels where our real life identities are revealed for constructive discussions on the future of this game; a game many of us have been playing for five or more years and want to enjoy for years to come.

Or keep on trolling anonymously .. whatever.


 

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