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Gimmy Rotten
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:31:00 - [1]
 

During fanfest videos we heard about a new nebulae background system, still in progress.
Will this new background be visible for wormholes ?

Logan LaMort
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:51:00 - [2]
 

I doubt it, since WH skyboxes don't really need a graphical facelift, and that wormhole space itself seems to be nowhere near New Eden.

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:55:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Logan LaMort
I doubt it, since WH skyboxes don't really need a graphical facelift, and that wormhole space itself seems to be nowhere near New Eden.


Actually he said these updates would be used across the whole of EVE as part of a gamewide upgrade.

Devalis
Minmatar
CyberShield Inc
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2011.03.26 23:00:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: Logan LaMort
I doubt it, since WH skyboxes don't really need a graphical facelift, and that wormhole space itself seems to be nowhere near New Eden.


Actually he said these updates would be used across the whole of EVE as part of a gamewide upgrade.


Didn't wormholes get new looking backgrounds anyways?

Logan LaMort
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.26 23:09:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: Logan LaMort
I doubt it, since WH skyboxes don't really need a graphical facelift, and that wormhole space itself seems to be nowhere near New Eden.


Actually he said these updates would be used across the whole of EVE as part of a gamewide upgrade.


My mistake then. I was under the impression the new skyboxes were just for the regions of New Eden, from the sketchy map they showed and that the whole point was to have a landmark across systems.
I don't know if CCP have said wormhole systems are in the same area of space as each other... if they were then it would make sense for a WH landmark in their skyboxes too.

Commander TGK
Gallente
The Deep Space Armada
Posted - 2011.03.27 00:13:00 - [6]
 

WHs already have significantly different backgrounds than normal space, I would doubt that they need updating.

Droidyk
Posted - 2011.06.20 08:50:00 - [7]
 

The new textures for Nebulas are not only sketches or something.. They are actually three dimensional 3D it means that when youre in one part of the nebula which is yellow and you see green one in distance, you can go there if some stargate is heading this way. Or another part of one system will look different than other one. ...

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.20 08:59:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Droidyk
The new textures for Nebulas are not only sketches or something.. They are actually three dimensional 3D it means that when youre in one part of the nebula which is yellow and you see green one in distance, you can go there if some stargate is heading this way. Or another part of one system will look different than other one. ...

They are still skyboxes (flat 2d textures on a cube around your space-view).
Those 2d maps are made from 3d nebulae scattered across the galaxy and rendered from certain points within that galaxy (not every system will get it's very own skybox textures according to it's coordinates.. but for every parsec or what (3.5LY roughly) you'll have a skybox that several systems that are contained within that area will be using.

Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.20 09:13:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Droidyk
The new textures for Nebulas are not only sketches or something.. They are actually three dimensional 3D it means that when youre in one part of the nebula which is yellow and you see green one in distance, you can go there if some stargate is heading this way. Or another part of one system will look different than other one. ...

They are still skyboxes (flat 2d textures on a cube around your space-view).
Those 2d maps are made from 3d nebulae scattered across the galaxy and rendered from certain points within that galaxy (not every system will get it's very own skybox textures according to it's coordinates.. but for every parsec or what (3.5LY roughly) you'll have a skybox that several systems that are contained within that area will be using.


I wouldn't be suprized if CCP did use it for every star system

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.20 09:16:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 20/06/2011 09:18:09
Originally by: Hyperforce99
I wouldn't be suprized if CCP did use it for every star system


I'd be surprised if they successfully deliver 1 system.

edit: oh and who cares, only reason they've pushed this forward is they're afriad of how much better the actual 3D galaxies being worked by other companies look.

Droidyk
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:06:00 - [11]
 

If you look on this video http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES#p/c/9923468C02F5604D/9/RzKCVs7Z8XY from fanfest 2011 where there was a talk about new nebulae youŽll see that I am actually right.
New nebulae will be 3D so that means you can rotate them.

Deleros Revo
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:36:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Droidyk
If you look on this video http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES#p/c/9923468C02F5604D/9/RzKCVs7Z8XY from fanfest 2011 where there was a talk about new nebulae youŽll see that I am actually right.
New nebulae will be 3D so that means you can rotate them.


I will lol at the FPS drop down in space flight.

Katrina Cortez
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:45:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Deleros Revo

I will lol at the FPS drop down in space flight.


That should be good for pvp...lol
They arent going to be happy unless they totally kill the game.

Aethlyn
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:50:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Droidyk
If you look on this video http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES#p/c/9923468C02F5604D/9/RzKCVs7Z8XY from fanfest 2011 where there was a talk about new nebulae youŽll see that I am actually right.
New nebulae will be 3D so that means you can rotate them.

Unlikely. They might be 3D stuff that's rendered from different positions depending on your system (or maybe even grid), but it won't be realtime 3D and you won't be able to "spin" them. It just wouldn't fit to the perspective and such (far away stuff appears to be static; e.g. the stars at night when ignoring the earth's movement/rotation).

Crispin McTarmac
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:53:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Deleros Revo


I will lol at the FPS drop down in space flight.


There would be no fps drop, you only have to render it once for every jump; perhaps not even that if the skyboxes are saved as images. Nebulae are enormous, moving just a couple of hundred au within one won't make it look any diferent

Luwc
Caldari
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.09.04 14:38:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Crispin McTarmac
Originally by: Deleros Revo


I will lol at the FPS drop down in space flight.


There would be no fps drop, you only have to render it once for every jump; perhaps not even that if the skyboxes are saved as images. Nebulae are enormous, moving just a couple of hundred au within one won't make it look any diferent


I still bet the jump lag during 500+ fights is going to be even worse ... or at least until everybody has loaded grid.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.09.04 15:34:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Crispin McTarmac
Originally by: Deleros Revo


I will lol at the FPS drop down in space flight.


There would be no fps drop, you only have to render it once for every jump; perhaps not even that if the skyboxes are saved as images. Nebulae are enormous, moving just a couple of hundred au within one won't make it look any diferent


Just like a single, sparsely decorated and poorly textured room wouldn't tax most new gpu's. Rolling Eyes




Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.09.04 17:10:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 04/09/2011 17:12:12
Originally by: Soi Mala
Originally by: Crispin McTarmac
Originally by: Deleros Revo


I will lol at the FPS drop down in space flight.


There would be no fps drop, you only have to render it once for every jump; perhaps not even that if the skyboxes are saved as images. Nebulae are enormous, moving just a couple of hundred au within one won't make it look any diferent


Just like a single, sparsely decorated and poorly textured room wouldn't tax most new gpu's. Rolling Eyes

Well, that's Carbon. The real meat of EVE runs on Trinity.

And besides, if you're having problems running Carbon, that's your problem. Do you blame every other developer when a game can't run properly on your system? I know that Carbon could definitely use some optimization, but this kind of complaining is pretty ridiculous.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.09.04 17:33:00 - [19]
 

CCP - just make the background less bright ffs. I hate having to keep my camera turned to the darkest part of space just to be able to see my overview and mods properly.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.04 17:37:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Bklyn 1
CCP - just make the background less bright ffs. I hate having to keep my camera turned to the darkest part of space just to be able to see my overview and mods properly.


You must have done something very wrong to cause that.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.09.04 17:40:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Bklyn 1
CCP - just make the background less bright ffs. I hate having to keep my camera turned to the darkest part of space just to be able to see my overview and mods properly.


You must have done something very wrong to cause that.


Just playing on the default settings. If there's any way to adjust it, I'd be most grateful to know how.

Khors
El Barco Pirata
Posted - 2011.09.04 17:56:00 - [22]
 

I doubt the stress on the servers will be any worse than the current system, they are replacing the old nebulae boxes around you in all the systems, and this time with a touch of detail to geography rather than at random for different constellations

Real Poison
Minmatar
Stormlord Battleforce
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.09.04 19:56:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Droidyk
If you look on this video http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES#p/c/9923468C02F5604D/9/RzKCVs7Z8XY from fanfest 2011 where there was a talk about new nebulae youŽll see that I am actually right.
New nebulae will be 3D so that means you can rotate them.


They said that they made a highly realistic 3D model with the help of scientiest and are prerendering the skybox for each and every solar system on a HPC cluster in high res.

This is absolutely nothing you would ever want to render on your local client.

Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
Posted - 2011.09.04 20:15:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Real Poison
Originally by: Droidyk
If you look on this video http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES#p/c/9923468C02F5604D/9/RzKCVs7Z8XY from fanfest 2011 where there was a talk about new nebulae youŽll see that I am actually right.
New nebulae will be 3D so that means you can rotate them.


They said that they made a highly realistic 3D model with the help of scientiest and are prerendering the skybox for each and every solar system on a HPC cluster in high res.

This is absolutely nothing you would ever want to render on your local client.
What Real said.

If you watch the video, and have the slightest flicker of intelligence to filter what is said through, you'll understand that the skyboxes will be pre-rendered images just as they are now.

The difference from the current system is threefold:
1) It looks amazing.
2) Each, or at least many, system(s) will have unique skyboxes for their location in space.
3) Skybox images will be rendered from a 3D-scape spanning the galaxy.

The skyboxes themselves will not be 3D - they will be a flat backdrop.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:32:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 04/09/2011 17:12:12
Originally by: Soi Mala
Originally by: Crispin McTarmac
Originally by: Deleros Revo


I will lol at the FPS drop down in space flight.


There would be no fps drop, you only have to render it once for every jump; perhaps not even that if the skyboxes are saved as images. Nebulae are enormous, moving just a couple of hundred au within one won't make it look any diferent


Just like a single, sparsely decorated and poorly textured room wouldn't tax most new gpu's. Rolling Eyes

Well, that's Carbon. The real meat of EVE runs on Trinity.

And besides, if you're having problems running Carbon, that's your problem. Do you blame every other developer when a game can't run properly on your system? I know that Carbon could definitely use some optimization, but this kind of complaining is pretty ridiculous.


MW2 - 60fps
FEAR3 - 60fps
Crysis2 - 60fps
Deus ex - 60fps
Sparsely decorated room with no moving/destructable objects and a poorly rendered avatar - 35-40fps

No, you're right, it's probably my system.

Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:52:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Real Poison

(...)
This is absolutely nothing you would ever want to render on your local client.


euh.. Rendering background, please wait.
[======--------------------] 4 hours remaining

Nope.jpg

Phenethylamine
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:55:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Luwc
Originally by: Crispin McTarmac
Originally by: Deleros Revo


I will lol at the FPS drop down in space flight.


There would be no fps drop, you only have to render it once for every jump; perhaps not even that if the skyboxes are saved as images. Nebulae are enormous, moving just a couple of hundred au within one won't make it look any diferent


I still bet the jump lag during 500+ fights is going to be even worse ... or at least until everybody has loaded grid.


ITT: Proud ignorance of computers. Cool

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:08:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 06/09/2011 01:09:02
Originally by: Soi Mala


MW2 - 60fps
FEAR3 - 60fps
Crysis2 - 60fps
Deus ex - 60fps
Sparsely decorated room with no moving/destructable objects and a poorly rendered avatar - 35-40fps

No, you're right, it's probably my system.


Heh! Well, like I said, the engine could definitely use optimization. I average around 46-54 frames/second, which is acceptable for me since Captain's Quarters doesn't serve any purpose at the moment.

Dren Nas
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.06 02:07:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Soi Mala


MW2 - 60fps
FEAR3 - 60fps
Crysis2 - 60fps
Deus ex - 60fps
Sparsely decorated room with no moving/destructable objects and a poorly rendered avatar - 35-40fps

No, you're right, it's probably my system.



I've got an nVidia 470, and when I enter the room of doom and gloom my video card temp sky rockets. I had to turn it to the door because I was worried about it burning up. This room SHOULD NOT push my card that hard. It's silly. o.O

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.09.06 04:29:00 - [30]
 

You forgot Battlefield 3 running at 30fps.

Either way its basically going to exist as a 3d model on somone's computer at ccp just like thier movie client does with the 2 million poly count ships, CCP will then use the assest to generate client assests where are not requiring a 8GB video cards and 64Gb memory and.


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