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Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.26 18:42:00 - [91]
 

So can we actually shoot people in incarna or is this just trailer posing?

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.26 18:43:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 26/03/2011 18:43:34
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Underlined the part where you contradict yourself so badly it made my brain hurt. Also, I'm talking about believing IN them, you silly man. But yes, if you have no faith then why are you here?

I dont contradict myself, I dont know what it will be like, i just know it will not be based on what is shown here. Simply example for you: I dont know under which cup the ball is, but i do know it is not under that cup.


And I am not allowed to play a game where I dont have faith in the devs? You mean there are still people who have faith in CCP?


Would you like an adult to explain the definition of contradiction? You are saying you don't know what it will be like, but you also say you know what it will not be like. You cannot have both at the same time, it is a contradiction.

No it isnt. First of all you know exactly what I meant, again and again ccp made all kind of awesome promises that never happened, this isnt even a promise...
But still then I already explained you, you can know what wont happen without knowing what will happen. Another example for you: I have no idea what will happen tomorrow, but I do know I wont be travelling faster than the speed of light. And yes i just did hint at CCP not keeping promises to be a law of physics.


So in the end nice vid, but for example the Kor-azor invasion of gallente space was imo better.

QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.03.26 18:45:00 - [93]
 

Hell no?

Jelek Coro
Erase Rewind
Posted - 2011.03.26 18:50:00 - [94]
 

Believe it when it is delivered... like Incarna... Confused

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.26 18:56:00 - [95]
 

It's a good trailer don't get me wrong, but there are some issues that irk me.

Facial animations seem stiff as hell. Almost doll-like, really.

When the guy turns around to see the gun pointed at him, his expression hasn't really changed at all.

The girl sorta has a smirk, but its barely even noticeable. The curve of her lips was far too minimal. It's a similiar problem in the character creator, when a character smiles it creates a bigger impact on the cheekbones then is necessary, and it gives you the "please don't make your character smile" syndrome.

Is this being addressed at all?

Le Sabre
Gallente
The Dead Canary Mining Corporation
Legion of Honor
Posted - 2011.03.26 18:58:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga
So can we actually shoot people in incarna or is this just trailer posing?


The video is CCP's goal, long term. It shows what they eventually want EVE to be, a full sci-fi simulator with many sides and new ways to scam/backstab/kill other people.

It makes no promises nor assurances that this is how everything is going to look, feel or play. Its just their way of showing what the game could one day be. Don't take it as 'this is what incarna is', it might be like the vid one day, but there is obviously a lot of work to be done and massive framework to be put in place first.

In short, come back to the vid in 5 or 6 years and compare it to what EVE is at that time then make a judgement.

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.26 18:59:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga
It's a good trailer don't get me wrong, but there are some issues that irk me.

Facial animations seem stiff as hell. Almost doll-like, really.

When the guy turns around to see the gun pointed at him, his expression hasn't really changed at all.

The girl sorta has a smirk, but its barely even noticeable. The curve of her lips was far too minimal. It's a similiar problem in the character creator, when a character smiles it creates a bigger impact on the cheekbones then is necessary, and it gives you the "please don't make your character smile" syndrome.

Is this being addressed at all?


They did say that the video was made entirely using the software that is currently available in game. There is no fancy behind the scenes trickery save for the zoom out from the planet surface to the orbiting ship. It is safe to assume that once these fatures become available fully, they will be considerably more polished.

Amanda Mor
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:04:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Underlined the part where you contradict yourself so badly it made my brain hurt. Also, I'm talking about believing IN them, you silly man. But yes, if you have no faith then why are you here?

I dont contradict myself, I dont know what it will be like, i just know it will not be based on what is shown here. Simply example for you: I dont know under which cup the ball is, but i do know it is not under that cup.


And I am not allowed to play a game where I dont have faith in the devs? You mean there are still people who have faith in CCP?


Would you like an adult to explain the definition of contradiction? You are saying you don't know what it will be like, but you also say you know what it will not be like. You cannot have both at the same time, it is a contradiction.


At the risk of seeming to defend Furb Killer (I think he's being a moron) - he actually can have it both ways. There's a vast range of options for what the future will be, and claiming to know it won't be one way isn't contradictory to claiming you don't know what it actually will be. It's only contradictory if there's only two options - in that case, saying it won't be one way implies that you are saying it will be the other way.

So, now can we move on to explaining to him why trailers and "future vision" clips aren't supposed to be taken ultra-literally, and it's being pedantic to point out that it won't look exactly like that?

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:20:00 - [99]
 

Lol, i didn't read through all the pages, but i hope someone got the joke xD

What was the last thing named "Forever" that promised a lot of fabulous things, and took erm... forever.. to see the light of day?

Cairn Bolete
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:37:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Renan Ruivo


What was the last thing named "Forever" that promised a lot of fabulous things, and took erm... forever.. to see the light of day?


That was probably a joke, but it's not the name of an expansion, just that EVE will live Forever! And it is an idealised imagining of the future, not a detailed roadmap of what's to come.

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:39:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Renan Ruivo
Lol, i didn't read through all the pages, but i hope someone got the joke xD

What was the last thing named "Forever" that promised a lot of fabulous things, and took erm... forever.. to see the light of day?


This?

Forever

Cain Leigh
Caldari
Raptor Navy
STR8NGE BREW
Posted - 2011.03.26 19:45:00 - [102]
 

**** Yeah!

P.S. My first post in 2 years of EVE! This is worth posting for!

ISD AeolusWind


Minmatar
ISD STAR
Posted - 2011.03.26 20:02:00 - [103]
 

**** Yeah!

This video is awesome, and youtube doesn't do it justice.

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.26 20:10:00 - [104]
 

WOO HOO, blue bars and now an ISD member in my thread Cool Which one of you should I prod about my ISD app? lol

ISD AeolusWind


Minmatar
ISD STAR
Posted - 2011.03.26 20:34:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
WOO HOO, blue bars and now an ISD member in my thread Cool Which one of you should I prod about my ISD app? lol


You'll want to talk to the lead that is in charge of the division you applied for. They can give you more specific information.

Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Posted - 2011.03.26 20:41:00 - [106]
 

**** YAH!

**** YAR!

YARRRR!!

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.26 20:53:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: ISD AeolusWind
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
WOO HOO, blue bars and now an ISD member in my thread Cool Which one of you should I prod about my ISD app? lol


You'll want to talk to the lead that is in charge of the division you applied for. They can give you more specific information.


Thanks very much AeolusWind Cool

Merende Macaco
Posted - 2011.03.26 20:55:00 - [108]
 

I laughed, I cried, I said

**** Yeah!

Now just ****ing get 'er done.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:04:00 - [109]
 

**** yeah!

StarRanger
Gallente
Royal Star Ranger Family
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:26:00 - [110]
 

Hell Yes, the females rule in this game!! I am so pleased Very Happy

Malkev
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:48:00 - [111]
 

Meh.

AterraX
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:58:00 - [112]
 

ZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz....

Wake me up when it's not a CGI trailer, but actual gameplay.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:59:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 26/03/2011 22:00:42
**** YEAH!


also; inb4 'station alts' ^_^

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:03:00 - [114]
 

Lot of people thinking this will take forever but if you break the trailer down it is essentially a matured Incarna + Dust. Dust... I don't really care about much. Incarna with ganking isn't that far off in my mind. Probably about a year. Once we're walking in stations with other players, which is the expansion after next, probably one more expansion until we can gank in them. And by then, Dust had better be out if they want it for this generation of consoles.I think what we are seeing is Eve in 24 months. And realistically all the Incarna bits in 12.

Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:04:00 - [115]
 

Time to train for a phoenix, I want to nuke some dust bunnies. Hopefully by the time it is released the missiles have big enough explosion velocity so the ground troops cannot speed tank them by running...

Also, **** Yeah!

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:08:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
I think what we are seeing is Eve in 24 months. And realistically all the Incarna bits in 12.

lol

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:12:00 - [117]
 

O.M.G. CCP can't even get a two and a half minute video right.

Seriously, what kind of plot was that? Let's hire ground troops to capture a planetary base and then just wipe out both the hired mercs and the base with an orbital strike. Why even bother *hiring* a ground assault if you're just going to nuke everything with a 10 second ortillery strike? How many freighters can you fly through that plot hole?

/facepalm

Kita Radeon
Gallente
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:19:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
I dont contradict myself, I dont know what it will be like


Originally by: Furb Killer
And yes I dont know what the future will be, but I dont claim I know that, I only know it wont be based on what was shown here.


Originally by: Furb Killer
(Btw how long do you think people will play a shooter where a few ships that are used as suicide gankers these days (dreads) can kill everyone without counter for them?)


Look, I'm all for constructive criticism. Unfortunately this is not it.

You are right though, never expect to do exactly what you see in the trailers, CCP's plans for world domination/presents is a lot of pipedreaming for now. I think most of this trailer is just an overview of their goals.

This is what I think they want to do
-Incarna (Obviously)
-Dust 514 (Again, obviously)
-Interaction between EVE and Dust, perhaps through Incarna.
-Possibly being able to affect Dust battles from EVE in a more direct fashion. Calling in air strikes from eve players?
-Possibly some kind of possibility to cause harm to other eve players in Incarna? I doubt this means turning it into a shooter though. Hopefully.

This is just MY interpretation on the goals of CCP. Assuming we will be able to blow away battlefields in Dust from eve or whatever is just silly.

Devalis
Minmatar
CyberShield Inc
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:21:00 - [119]
 

**** Yeah!

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.03.26 22:32:00 - [120]
 

- Dread looks like it might be hitting the plannet with dread-rails? Ok this is is quite a cool idea and might re-invent Dreads, which are currently sucking a bit.

- FPS pistol attack in station. In the video is awesome but FFA pistol-shooting in stations could be turd, could be cool, depending on the mechanics of it. A classic FPS point-n-shoot mode would be lame but maybe some kind of ability to 'assasinate' or kill with consequences could be ok. If done right.

- Station windows. Yeah they would be nice. I do like that idea.

- All the Dust stuff... when is this actually due to hit the shops? It's been a year since all the fancy Dust stuff at the last FanFest, what's new in this area?

- Nuke-from-Orbit. Probably cool if you like Dust - maybe its the Dust equivalent of a DD?


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