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Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.03.26 23:12:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Two step
Yay, at least I got an alternate spot. Thanks for all the support folks.

CCP guys, can you *please* post the *full* vote totals. It seems very strange to have an election and not see all the votes.


There is at least one person on this CSM who should be permabanned for engaging in RMT/botting. So IF the crackdown on this that we want happens that alternate spot will be an active spot :)

Ankerr Feranniss
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.03.26 23:23:00 - [62]
 

Congratulations to some of the elected (the ones elected by real players)!

It's quite a sad day to see the CSM so thoroughly exploited by the metagaming coalition, by the alliance who invented some of the worst things in game, and to have as a chairman one of the most devious players in the whole game.

Anyway he has always said he likes to scam and spy and to turncoat, so hats off to the (few) real players who actually voted for someone who will devote his whole time to ruin their day, and mock them while doing so Laughing

Tommy Blue
Black Lance
Posted - 2011.03.26 23:30:00 - [63]
 

Just become one person may choose to "lie, cheat, and scam" in the game does not mean they cannot effectively be a CSM. As long as the CSM is passionate about eve and have a solid understand on what is right/wrong, its all good.

And those of you who doubt democracy in this CSM...you obviously dont like Unions then, you know when they sponser certain political candidates... Welcome to real life.

Ender Black
Lone Star Exploration
Posted - 2011.03.26 23:39:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Ankerr Feranniss
Congratulations to some of the elected (the ones elected by real players)!

It's quite a sad day to see the CSM so thoroughly exploited by the metagaming coalition, by the alliance who invented some of the worst things in game, and to have as a chairman one of the most devious players in the whole game.

Anyway he has always said he likes to scam and spy and to turncoat, so hats off to the (few) real players who actually voted for someone who will devote his whole time to ruin their day, and mock them while doing so Laughing


Well, I was not a fan of The Mittani's scorched earth campaign but, you do realize we are talking about EVE Online, correct? This is the game that took metagaming to an art form and is the very thing that makes other news outlets, including the NY Times, write about it. It's that press, that mystique, the back-stabbing treasonous behavior that gains us new players.

Mittens, can be a douche-bag. He is a former D.C. lawyer which probably means he is slightly to moderately corrupt. But, he is undeniably one of the smartest players to log in and I think he deserves a fair chance. He loves this game, why would he try and destroy it?

It's bad form to post outside of C&P with your alt, mmmkay?

Commander TGK
Gallente
The Deep Space Armada
Posted - 2011.03.27 00:04:00 - [65]
 

Congrats to everyone except the Mittani, I personally find him to be the exact type of person that showcases the worst people of eve.

Riveting Tale Sibling
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:08:00 - [66]
 

Congratulations to the CSM candidates who worked for their vote...

Oh yeah, wait..

Trebor - Bribed for votes. (Seriously, Trebor? I was so in support of you having been one of the few returning candidates who attended EVERY CSM meeting.)
Goons - They're goons.. Please, prove me wrong.
S&M - Thank God. Please try to keep this crap pile under control.

Also, ITT Goons basically wave their weiners in everyone's face while spouting off typical "LOLWhiners" rhetoric.

Surprise.

NB4 - "Post on yer main! Rabblerabblerabble!" YARRRR!!

Shandir
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:25:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Riveting Tale Sibling

Trebor - Bribed for votes. (Seriously, Trebor? I was so in support of you having been one of the few returning candidates who attended EVERY CSM meeting.)


Did you actually read his 'bribe' page?
1) It did not actually verify you voted at all, nevermind who for
2) It told anyone applying this fact on that same page
3) He even said, you don't need to vote for me, just please vote

If anything, he was bribing people to be aware that they could vote, not to vote for him. And can anyone honestly say that more awareness of the CSM is a bad thing?

Dream Raven
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:25:00 - [68]
 

congratulations mittens!

adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:41:00 - [69]
 

Great... the only small scale pvp guy (prometheus exhental) does not get in because of the damn 0.0 blocks... Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad


And obvious cheating is obvious....Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad


Dream Raven
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.27 01:47:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: adriaans
Great... the only small scale pvp guy (prometheus exhental) does not get in because of the damn 0.0 blocks... Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad


And obvious cheating is obvious....Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad



He didn't get in because of Trebor.

Sirhan Blixt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.27 02:11:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: adriaans
Great... the only small scale pvp guy (prometheus exhental) does not get in because of the damn 0.0 blocks...


No. He didn't get in because he got fewer votes than the other guys who did get in. That's how these things work. Perhaps if more people in your pretend, imaginary world had voted in the CSM elections, then perhaps the CSM 6 roster might appear to more closely represent the demographic breakdown of those people in your pretend, imaginary world.

Likewise with <insert your favorite underrepresented, oppressed EVE minority here>.

Also, what sort of "small scale pvp" are you talking about? You have such fantastic notions!

Originally by: adriaans

And obvious cheating is obvious....


Yet only you have the perspicacity to tell. Perhaps if this cheating is so obvious, you might indulge us with an explanation?

Bobbeh
Minmatar
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.03.27 02:59:00 - [72]
 

Broken system isnt broken unless CCP says so.

Gratz to all the CSM Delegates.

Its good to see 0.0 get represented at the table, as the last few years have had a serious hate on for 0.0 alliances.

Maybe finally lvl 4's will get moved to lowsec so that people have a reason to go there, and lvl 5's to 0.0 only so that people have a reason to go there. Its silly that low sec is so under used because you make less money there than in highsec and 0.0. When is should be linear Highsec = Safest + least isk generation, Lowsec = Slightly Dangerous + Moderate isk generation, 0.0 = Very Dangerous + High Isk Generation.

Also i think every single member on CSM enjoys small scale pvp as much as they next guy. We are just forced into large scale pvp by our opposition, and mechanics of the game.

Very excited to see where this CSM will go.

Bob

Ackbarre
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.27 03:18:00 - [73]
 

I for one welcome our new CSM Overlords. And if you know what's good for you then you should as well.

Vekyn
Posted - 2011.03.27 03:24:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Vekyn on 27/03/2011 03:26:10
I voted Meissa.


To the Mittani: don't **** this up. If you turn this into a Goon CSM, you ruin it for everyone. And don't give us any of this 'friendship trumps conflict' *******s either. Make 0.0 something worth fighting for or GTFO.

EDIT: also - massive NC bloc during major nullsec overhaul? Derrrrp.

Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2011.03.27 03:46:00 - [75]
 

What's funny to me is that a lot of highsec and "pirate" types tried to ruin an area of the game that doesn't concern them, then got all whiny and hurt when we responded. Now they're flipping out that we might do the same to them. We won't, but it's still funny.

First off, quit freaking out that we're going to destroy the game. If we wanted to destroy the game, we'd push for a buff to supercapitals, which are the most broken part of warfare right now. Instead, we want them nerfed along with technetium (which is another huge advantage to us at current prices but terrible for the game). Will we still push to have jump bridges nerfed? Of course not, we know that nerfing bridges won't reduce blobbing, but it will make the game a lot less fun. My understanding is if we push for anything else, it'll be for improvements to the dominion sov system so that warfare is actually fun and maybe general isk-making improvements to all of 0.0, not just the north. As for highsec/lowsec stuff, Mittani's main goal from the beginning was to get CCP to push through the backlog of original CSM, so maybe all of those nifty ideas for improvements from CSMs before this one will get moved up in the queue, which is something I think we can all hope for.

Having said all that, though, I don't think most of the people who've been complaining incessantly will stop complaining no matter how the CSM goes. Of course, they're also too dumb to realize that the fact nothing we can do will change their opinion means there's no reason for us to try to begin with. You could approach this in a constructive way and get something done with us, or you could keep complaining and be irrelevant until the next CSM (when we launch another campaign like this and fill the CSM again).

Redd Dredd
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.27 05:37:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Vekyn
Edited by: Vekyn on 27/03/2011 03:26:10
... To the Mittani: don't **** this up. If you turn this into a Goon CSM, you ruin it for everyone...

EDIT: also - massive NC bloc during major nullsec overhaul? Derrrrp.


I'm curious to know
A) what could Mittani do, exactly, to mess this up, and
B) what would make it a "Goon" csm?

Could you provide examples of both please?

The Pigeon
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.27 05:41:00 - [77]
 

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LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.03.27 06:25:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: LordElfa on 27/03/2011 06:26:06
I don't give a **** who got elected.

Being a CSM member is like being the Queen of England, it sounds nice but you don't have any ****ing power.

Congrats toothless tigers board number ****ing 6.

If the NC did buy this election, they wasted their money. Who wants tea?

Ganthrithor
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.27 06:28:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Sethose Olderon
The only thing I have to say about this is, "What a joke." The CSM elections are supposed to be about democracy and the player's will. I think this election proves that neither of those principles are in play.

I believe, to quote something famous, "Something is rotten in the State of Denmark."


Something is rotten in the State of Iceland too.




















It's their delicacies lololololol

LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.03.27 06:37:00 - [80]
 

Look, to be honest, I really don't care if NC personally paid CCP for their win here, if they can get CCP to fix the damn game then I have zero complaints.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.03.27 07:08:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Mara Rinn on 27/03/2011 07:10:12
Originally by: Redd Dredd
I'm curious to know
A) what could Mittani do, exactly, to mess this up, and
B) what would make it a "Goon" csm?


A) Filibustering, along with clogging the CSM process up with nonsensical issues, constantly referring to minutes and requiring issues to be read out in full multiple times (a strategy recently used by the GOP to stall progress on health reform in the USA)
B) What makes it a "Goon" CSM is the majority of members being Goons. Also, see (A).

There is a disappointing level of sour grapes in this community. Over on Scrapheap Challenge there are even jokes about "running a book" on which Goon CSM rep will be first to violate the NDA.

Can this community please show some maturity and grow some metaphoric balls?

When life hands you lemons, you make lemonade. Given a presumably hostile CSM intending to force their own issues through by sheer weight of numbers (Goons: bringing blob warfare to your CSM), it is up to the community to respond in numbers.

Rather than wasting your time complaining that the Goon CSM isn't going to address your concerns, voice your concerns on the forums. Encourage your corpmates and friends to show their support for your concerns. Encourage your corpmates and friends to show their lack of support for herpderping Goon suggestions. Encourage your corpmates to support your concerns in crowd-sourcing iterations.

We have to assume that the Goon CSM will do everything in their power to stay in power, so they must at least keep the CSM process functioning. It is now up to the player base to participate in that process and keep the Goon CSM functioning for the whole community.

Best wishes to Seleene, Trebor and Meissa - don't let the Goons get you down!

(edit: "weight of numbers", herpderp)

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.03.27 07:28:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: LordElfa
Being a CSM member is like being the Queen of England, it sounds nice but you don't have any ****ing power.


The CSM are stakeholders in the development of EVE Online. The CSM - at the very least - gets to prioritize developer time spent on various issues, as moderated by CCP.

A power-bloc controlled CSM hostile to the community could - for example - astroturf support for extending range of JBs & jump drives, reducing fuel requirements for JBs, titan bridges, jump drives, etc; and then prioritize development time towards fixing those "issues". It would be up to CCP to turn around and say, "no, that's not how we want the game to work."

Even if CCP did veto those suggestions, the very fact that they appeared on the list would prevent other more worthwhile suggestions being considered.

Every democratic process is vulnerable to manipulation by special interest groups. Mittens is aware of this, and all that remains to be seen is how long he'll be able to keep motivating the Goon coalition to keep supporting him. Morsus Mihi and Razor might try to take military action against the Goons (extremely unlikely), but that won't stop the Goon agenda, since they don't need to be in a coaltiion, alliance or corporation to be organized.

There was some guy at Fanfest who got up and told the assembled masses that he didn't vote because he thought his vote wasn't going to amount to anything. People like him need to be encouraged to vote. It takes less effort to vote than to whine on the forums about Goons overrunning the CSM.

Even worse, nullsec power blocs can generate a huge astroturf potential by sponsoring extra accounts with the profits from moon goo, sanctum spamming and other high-income nullsec activities.

ISK faucets need to be shut. ISK sinks need to be opened wider. Watch for these issues to be addressed by the Goon CSM, in favour of their astroturfing activity.

Nikki Blonde
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.27 07:34:00 - [83]
 

GoonSwarm CSM candidate bought votes.

I hope that CCP continues to ignore CSM members as they did before... Embarassed

Garricky
Posted - 2011.03.27 08:38:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Garricky on 27/03/2011 08:38:52
Yah unfortunately this has made the CSM into a pathetic joke despite the few real candidates getting elected (good luck to you three). Well they made their own bed and now must lay in it. Shame really... people were starting to respect the CSM. Now it's back to zero. Well done you jackasses. No tears here (don't feed the animals) but very sad. You hurt the game. Congrats. Rolling Eyes


Originally by: Nikki Blonde
GoonSwarm CSM candidate bought votes.

I hope that CCP continues to ignore CSM members as they did before... Embarassed

i hatechosingnames
Gallente
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.27 08:39:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: The Pigeon
beep boop ... I am a cheating robot that voted for The Mittani... beep bop boop


goddam robots...

congrats to the CSM candidates... save our sanctums :D

Garricky
Posted - 2011.03.27 08:44:00 - [86]
 

I am sure they will fix the game to your exact specifications... as that is what goons do isn't it? You short-sighted dunce. Rolling Eyes

Originally by: LordElfa
Look, to be honest, I really don't care if NC personally paid CCP for their win here, if they can get CCP to fix the damn game then I have zero complaints.

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.03.27 09:54:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Vekyn
Edited by: Vekyn on 27/03/2011 03:26:10
I voted Meissa.


To the Mittani: don't **** this up. If you turn this into a Goon CSM, you ruin it for everyone. And don't give us any of this 'friendship trumps conflict' *******s either. Make 0.0 something worth fighting for or GTFO.

EDIT: also - massive NC bloc during major nullsec overhaul? Derrrrp.


Thanks for the votes!

I wouldn't worry too much about Mittens, what people run on to get elected, especially in the case of people who are used to troll others, is different from what they do when they get in. Also, the chairman has 0 power, except to open sessions and collect the topics to be discussed during the CSM meetings.

Also, no matter whether one likes the guy or not, he's a bright fellow whose point of view needed to be represented, albeit not necessarily agreed with ;-). The way things work, the CSM brings subjects up for discussion with CCP, and when we get to discuss with CCP, we argue for (or against :p) the inclusions of said subjects in the backlog. People who somehow managed to get retatded topics up for discussion in the past got mostly ignored...

We'll see how it all turns out, but I'm not like "oh my god this is the end of the world!".


Serious Internet Politician
www.seriousinternetpolitician.com
Posted - 2011.03.27 11:00:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Vekyn
Edited by: Vekyn on 27/03/2011 03:26:10
I voted Meissa.


To the Mittani: don't **** this up. If you turn this into a Goon CSM, you ruin it for everyone. And don't give us any of this 'friendship trumps conflict' *******s either. Make 0.0 something worth fighting for or GTFO.

EDIT: also - massive NC bloc during major nullsec overhaul? Derrrrp.


Thanks for the votes!

I wouldn't worry too much about Mittens, what people run on to get elected, especially in the case of people who are used to troll others, is different from what they do when they get in. Also, the chairman has 0 power, except to open sessions and collect the topics to be discussed during the CSM meetings.

Also, no matter whether one likes the guy or not, he's a bright fellow whose point of view needed to be represented, albeit not necessarily agreed with ;-). The way things work, the CSM brings subjects up for discussion with CCP, and when we get to discuss with CCP, we argue for (or against :p) the inclusions of said subjects in the backlog. People who somehow managed to get retatded topics up for discussion in the past got mostly ignored...

We'll see how it all turns out, but I'm not like "oh my god this is the end of the world!".




Yay Meissa \o/ I will be having drinks in your name.
Well done to the Mittani aswell.

This is going to be an awesome CSM :P

Ankerr Feranniss
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.03.27 11:02:00 - [89]
 

Yep, I'd post with my main if this wasn't a Goon-related thread, and anyone who doesn't understand why is a ****** :-P

I'm not against 0.0 alliances, in fact I like 0.0 and have been there, plus I'll probably return in the future.
That doesn't mean that 0.0 must be "the game", nor it should be "MetaEVE Online" or "PirateTearReclaimer Online"...
EVE is a game providing opportunities, and it's ok for sure to have people choosing to do whatever they like, as long as the chances are fair on all the sides.

So, what is wrong in a CSM where more than 20% votes are Goons, more than 60% are 0.0 (NC) powerblocks?
It is the sheer unbalance of representativity, plus the explicit agenda that said powerblocks are already pushing forward.
If you fail to see that, again, you're ******ed and probably a flatfish Laughing

Goons surely can do their game, but saying they want it to be better for everyone, well, it's completely out of this world, and not even Mittani would ever be able to say that without laughing his tears off...
In fact, he didn't even ever try Laughing

As everybody already can see, there's ppl starting the usual pirate whining "move L4s in lowsec, L5s to 0.0" since the poor poor kids don't have enough targets to gank yet, do they?
This kind of thinking is what obviously would ruin the game economy, plus reduce the playerbase, but they lack the brains to see that, or maybe they just push these stuff forward to keep other issues hidden.
Why don't we all talk about a bounty system an pirate retribution system that's completely useless?
Why don't we all talk about the actual impossibility of travelling through 0.0 unless blue to the sov holders?
There are lots of other ways to bring more life into lowsec and 0.0 by balancing the odds for good, but pirates and powerblocks don't want that, they simply want more revenue and fun for them.

Again, good luck to the three indipendent CSM members, it will be hard work to keep the 6th CSM a decent place at all...Confused

Golar Crexis
Posted - 2011.03.27 11:28:00 - [90]
 

I have one account, I'm based in hi-sec and I voted for mittens.
Two reasons.

1. I want null-sec fixed so I can move there proper with my corp/alliance.
2. He is a goon. those guys know how to have fun.


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