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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Gallente
Rim Worlds Republic
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.04.04 21:03:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
Goodbye to the Provi alliances. I am amused that NC(dot), AAA, and Atlas people are giggling with delight about this change. The nerf bat is aimed squarely at your space my old friends.



That might be why NCdot, evoke, and friends are currently doing a bum rush to cloud ring before the nerf happens. Deep down they know how horrible CVA space is, and how costly it will be to pay for upkeep in all the systems with stations.

If plexes increase in spawn rate, it must be now a 2% chance to find one in any one system in a day that has not already been done, vs the 1% chance it used to be.

Katcaeks
Caldari
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.04 22:15:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Xolax Castle
I remember a time where you could go on a roam and know you were going to run into Ravens ratting in belts... THAT TIME IS BACK!

1st: CCP is just responding to my petition on moving carebears out of the bunkers and back into the line of fire! Glad to know you listen CCP!

2nd: They are nerfing Drakes and restoring the endangered Raven back into its natural habitat! Where they can florish again being hunted by the average solo roamer!

So all the carebears that have been building up isk... its time to go back to high sec where you can be safe running level 4's. Prepair for the AFK cloakers to take flight once again on a true sec system near you! Twisted Evil



Not sure if you're a troll or just on paint fumes there, but this change is just going to force smaller groups to leave null or never go in the first place. CCP's supposed current goal was to have null easier for smaller groups to enter and hold sov, with this change I can't see a smaller alliance bothering. Less smaller groups means less "skirmish battles" and more blobfests between superpowers.

What's more interesting is if you read the quarterly economic report, it reads that EVE currently runs the risk of inflation and that NPC bounties are a huge source of ISK generation. Seems more like a knee jerk reaction to try stop inflation to me in that A generates LOTS of ISK, nerf A, prevent inflation. I don't think this solution is well thought out with what it holds for null sec and CCP pushing out the "big battle for space" image.

Rymker Artiwango
Minmatar
BlackWatch Industrial Group
Posted - 2011.04.04 22:22:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Rymker Artiwango on 04/04/2011 22:22:28
I didn't get past the first few pages...
With everyone complaining that CCP needs to fix the lag first...

I really think this is a sneaky way to fix the lag. By attempting to destroy the large empires (Coalitions) able to field 1000+ ships per side prematurely, they decrease the size of the fleet battles to a more manageable size for the game/servers to handle.

Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.04.04 23:09:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Katcaeks
I don't think this solution is well thought out with what it holds for null sec and CCP pushing out the "big battle for space" image.


The dominion patch was not well thought out for CVA, but I didn't see you championing them. EVE changes all the time, it's what keeps it fresh, when you start complaining too much about a change it means you got too used to the status quo. Do you really want things to stay the same?

(Your definition of big battle for space is off from mine by a factor of nearly 10, and please count the ships in CCP's trailers even we have a bigger fleet)

Heinky
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.04.05 00:39:00 - [185]
 

If they ever come out with a patch that the eve community DOESN'T complain about, i'll truly be worried.

iciingdeath
Amarr
APEX ARDENT COALITION
NEM3SIS.
Posted - 2011.04.05 15:45:00 - [186]
 

CCP SUCKS EVEN MORE EVERY DAY IF THEY KEEP DOING THISShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked


Renu
Minmatar
Rebels of Shakuras
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2011.04.05 18:18:00 - [187]
 

If CCP is worried about lack of dynamics in 0.0 conquest they should of unlock Jove ( still my dream to get there) and not to nerf 0.0 anoms cos ppl in empire who are jst scamming in jita with alts 24/7 think its not enough revenues compare to 0.0 risk takers ...

gala gidas
Amarr
Parental Control
HELL4S
Posted - 2011.04.05 19:02:00 - [188]
 

Hi,i used to play this silly game called EVE because of the so called difficulty that it has...
Its really amazing how so many players are wondering how to make ISK and develop as players in this game when it is so easy that even ******s can do it.You dont need blues,you dont need moon goo or T2 BPOs,you dont even need to know about marketing.

Just accept the fact that more than 99% of EVE players are actually idiots that the only thing they can do properly(and not always) is join a gang-blob and tap some buttons randomly...
Its so funny that the most ignorant people are the null sec players when it comes to ISK making(if you exclude boting).No wonder why you gus grind lag for so many years while your leaders selling back ISK to you for real money preteding to be a "russian" botter.
Fact is that if you have a small corp of lets say 10 players plus their alts they can easily generate more than 300 BIL per month as a corp without having them playing more than 3 hours per day..I cant begin to wonder how much more ISK one could make before the change of the AOF doomsday tbh but my guess is a lot more..either way..now that i am not playing anymore..no you cant have my stuff,i already gave them to friends and yes it was a lot of expensive crap:P
Keep grinding tools...

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.04.05 19:25:00 - [189]
 

for everyone planing on quiting.

Please put up contracts with all your stuff to me: Ace Frehley YARRRR!!

Kiss and hug whiners ♥

Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr
Jewberg Trade Federation and Bank
Posted - 2011.04.05 21:09:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: gala gidas
Hi,i used to play this silly game called EVE because of the so called difficulty that it has...
Its really amazing how so many players are wondering how to make ISK and develop as players in this game when it is so easy that even ******s can do it.You dont need blues,you dont need moon goo or T2 BPOs,you dont even need to know about marketing.

Just accept the fact that more than 99% of EVE players are actually idiots that the only thing they can do properly(and not always) is join a gang-blob and tap some buttons randomly...
Its so funny that the most ignorant people are the null sec players when it comes to ISK making(if you exclude boting).No wonder why you gus grind lag for so many years while your leaders selling back ISK to you for real money preteding to be a "russian" botter.
Fact is that if you have a small corp of lets say 10 players plus their alts they can easily generate more than 300 BIL per month as a corp without having them playing more than 3 hours per day..I cant begin to wonder how much more ISK one could make before the change of the AOF doomsday tbh but my guess is a lot more..either way..now that i am not playing anymore..no you cant have my stuff,i already gave them to friends and yes it was a lot of expensive crap:P
Keep grinding tools...


Explain, how would a corp be making 300 billion per month without having to play more then 3 hours a day (or 30 bil per player per month). Would this be in null sec space. Because a point would be, something needs to be of value (and needs to be able to go around) for a large portion of eve players for them to experience it, otherwise diminished capacity for it to sustain large numbers of players or draw to ever have them come here.

If its PI making a refined PI like coolant, I would think it be closer to 50-70 mil a week per char or 200 per month (x3 if using every char on account). If its trading, I don't think I get anywhere near that, and I do it in about every region of the NC with a wide variety of ice and fuels, and no, no one else can do it because I am already doing it. Tell us your 'idea', otherwise I and anyone else will assume its bull****, or high sec trading which requires having hundreds of billions of isk it invest in it to start with in order to make those amounts of money.

What makes people mad about this change is that it makes level 4s in empire more lucrative then the vast majority of null sec. If you want to do something about mindless static income, try tackling the mission hubs with hundreds of people who never have to check Intel channels, be aligned or have save points prepared. You would think lower sec space would have a 'bit' more reward being the sort of endgame people have to use force or bribes to have access to, along with paying sov bills. Something should be of value in null sec to drive people to live in it, you know crops that others can burn, which some people requested to want to do that. If it is a desert, no crops, few players.

gala gidas
Amarr
Parental Control
HELL4S
Posted - 2011.04.06 08:23:00 - [191]
 

It seems you covered all the map of EVE except low security systems.I mean the actual 0.1-0.4 systems.
You also remembered that there are lvl4 missions but you forget that there are lvl5 missions also.Do them properly,playing smart and you can reach easily doing 5-6 per hour if you are using crappy T1 BSs(main+alt) or go hardcore on them and do them with a MOM and do 10+ per hour.After doing the math you will find out that its not really a big deal to do 1,5MIL loyalty points in 3 hours missioning with BSs or my highest runs of 2,5 MIL LPs in 3 hours like i used to.
Ofc many will say that its not possible to run so many missions so fast especially in low sec.I ve heard the argument that you cant do 5's so fast when lvl4 missions are taking os much time.Well,thank god people are thinking this way because if EVE players were smart i wouldn't be playing this game for free in the first place.
If your corp and alliance-coalition leaders were actually thinking how to develop newb players iot make them good in this game they would told you how they make ISK.Instead look at you silly renters and alliance grunts opening trading windows like peasants to get a crappy ship payed back when you actually play to help your leaders make ISK.
Best thing of the hole deal?ISK goes directly to the memberbase and not to some director's or CEO's fat wallet.
A player under proper corp guidance can easily play for free and fly a suprcap in less than 10 months in the game.There are numerous perfectly trained characters in the forums.I dont really know if i was a "proper" supercap pilot or never really cared if i could fly like a pro a deadspace fitted active tanked sleipnir(in a full crystal clone ofc)because tbh their actual value to me was the same the typical grunt has for the stupid drake he flies after all these years in this game.
The biggest problem in EVE isnt some faulty game mechanics.The only thing broken in this game is the memberbase itself.If the memberbase was actually good or had the slightest balls to man up(in a game lol) and try to become something better than a renter,the game itself would have been a lot better with numerous smaller,smarter and more efficient entities.
Instead of that,you are eating the same crap everyday about how good is to defend the wallet of other players.
For me personally thats the only reason i dont play EVE anymore.Whats the point of playing a game when the most important asset the memberbase are idiots?

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.04.06 09:50:00 - [192]
 

Ok, interesting move.

Now, will CCP reduce the cost of infrastructure currently deployed to systems with a high true sec status now?

Stygian Knight
Minmatar
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.04.06 10:27:00 - [193]
 

This is actually the best thing for EvE after nano and missile nerf.

I love the bear tears here.

More wars and destruction coming Twisted Evil


Rick Starkiller
Caldari
Intergalactic Serenity
Ev0ke
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:01:00 - [194]
 

Nice one CCP *thumbs up*

All those 0.0 Carebear whiners shall adapt or die! It's ZERO Space and not Hello Kitty Space.
Makin Money for destroying Money thats the Circle of Live in Eve and the Way it should be!
Not makin Money and Money and Money and Money !!!

Velios
Minmatar
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:59:00 - [195]
 

I've lived with the consequences of every other CCP change to EVE quite happily in the past - I don't see why this one will be so bad. All things are relative and so long as wealth is distributed evenly throughout 0.0 then I'm OK with it personally.

Myz Toyou
Minmatar
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:14:00 - [196]
 


Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr
Jewberg Trade Federation and Bank
Posted - 2011.04.06 13:30:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: gala gidas
It seems you covered all the map of EVE except low security systems.I mean the actual 0.1-0.4 systems.
You also remembered that there are lvl4 missions but you forget that there are lvl5 missions also.....


I'm not sure how you can run something smarter, in order to speed run missions you need allot of DPS, which is what people configure ships for anyway for doing missions.

But at least might be something outside level 4's that make better isk. But..... this still goes back to the same problem of a growing lack of things to draw people to null. What you suggesting is that one of the greatest resources in the universe are level 5 mission hubs.

Guess might do some moving.

hears
Minmatar
Gossip Girls
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:29:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Sephiroth CloneVII
Originally by: gala gidas
It seems you covered all the map of EVE except low security systems.I mean the actual 0.1-0.4 systems.
You also remembered that there are lvl4 missions but you forget that there are lvl5 missions also.....


I'm not sure how you can run something smarter, in order to speed run missions you need allot of DPS, which is what people configure ships for anyway for doing missions.

But at least might be something outside level 4's that make better isk. But..... this still goes back to the same problem of a growing lack of things to draw people to null. What you suggesting is that one of the greatest resources in the universe are level 5 mission hubs.

Guess might do some moving.


after reading that i KNOW why you are a Renter Laughing

most intelligent players Blitz L5 Missions and and so manage quite a few a Hour.

necrodon
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:35:00 - [199]
 

seriously what a bunch of whining ***gots.

oh noes my plexes


hears
Minmatar
Gossip Girls
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:41:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: necrodon
seriously what a bunch of whining ***gots.

oh noes my plexes




so true

makes me wonder what they did before there where anomalies ?

BBJ Shepard
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.06 14:41:00 - [201]
 

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Nestor Laurenitis
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.04.06 15:48:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: SirJoJo
atm eve is from fountain to geminate one big happy party and that can only happen because there no conflict of interest happening, they all have the same value of space and they a are all happy, and its pretty much the same in the south just not on such a big extend as in the north.


+1

I'm a big fan of any change that sews dissent and weakens major power blocks. If you spend more time trying to find and exploit Havens then you spend trying to figure out how to get your neighbor to fight you in this game I've got no sympathy for you.

I don't really know how much conflict these changes will generate due to my general lack of respect for the entities within the NC, however. I suspect they want a great blue and safe home to live in more than they want to actually TAKE something better for themselves.

My only regret would be fewer potential targets in space as easily probable Havens, but if that spices up the overall community with conflict it would be worth it.

Capricorn 0ne
Caldari
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.04.06 15:53:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: hears
Originally by: necrodon
seriously what a bunch of whining ***gots.

oh noes my plexes




so true

makes me wonder what they did before there where anomalies ?



I got 4 or 5 alt's in battle ships and ran level 3 missions all day, **** was so cash. U jelly?

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.04.06 17:16:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: hears
Originally by: necrodon
seriously what a bunch of whining ***gots.

oh noes my plexes




so true

makes me wonder what they did before there where anomalies ?



They traded timecards for isk in the timecard bazaar forum.

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.10 11:44:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Ed Rush
Edited by: Ed Rush on 26/03/2011 15:37:20
but hey.. we get to walk in our captains quarters ! no need to undock! better than ratting or pewpew!


no longer will people be forced to ship spin in station hangers, soon you will be able to run in circles in your pilot's quarters, cause thats totally worth 6-9 months of development, design, and manpower.

xKillswitchx
Caldari
APEX ARDENT COALITION
NEM3SIS.
Posted - 2011.04.10 19:07:00 - [206]
 

This is just another way that CCP is showing that they really do not listen to the players nor do they actually care about them. First CCP wanted to get as many people out into null sec, now that they have done that. They nerf the whole thing. Frankly its time to go find another MMO if this is how they want to run their operation.

Linium
Minmatar
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2011.04.11 15:20:00 - [207]
 

I really like the new anoms system ccp. A good job well done.

Lorin Edehiel
Minmatar
Northmoor Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.11 15:25:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Ed Rush
Edited by: Ed Rush on 26/03/2011 15:37:20
but hey.. we get to walk in our captains quarters ! no need to undock! better than ratting or pewpew!


no longer will people be forced to ship spin in station hangers, soon you will be able to run in circles in your pilot's quarters, cause thats totally worth 6-9 months of development, design, and manpower.


haha, so true.
i hope they add some guns so i could shot myself in the bloody head in that station.

again, cccp is devel. this game in the right direction.
cheers

Murq
Minmatar
Deep Space Expedition.
Posted - 2011.04.11 15:57:00 - [209]
 

I hope they re'balance' 0.0 every 12 months. :)

The more occupied a region is, the less valuable it becomes. Spread out ***gots so ROAMS have value.

Anitta Blake
Caldari
BSC LEGION
Split Infinity.
Posted - 2011.04.11 21:03:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Nestor Laurenitis

+1

I'm a big fan of any change that sews dissent and weakens major power blocks. If you spend more time trying to find and exploit Havens then you spend trying to figure out how to get your neighbor to fight you in this game I've got no sympathy for you.



the only problem is that this only weakens the smaller corps in 0,0 major power blocks have lots of moons and large cap fleets to call on.

when i say smaller corps i mean like 40 - 60 man units that want to stand alone out side of the power blocks.

this will come down to "when you cant beat them join them" game play giving more power to the power blocks by more numbers joining ,so we will end up 3000+ vs 3000+ fights in one system and we all know the game cant handle that.

CPP just killed the small guys in 0.0 that is all this has done no power blocks will brake up due to these changes.


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