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Sovox
Amarr
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:07:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: Sovox on 02/04/2011 01:41:15

So much NC hate here! And you really think it matters or will hurt us in any shape or form? Like we have never adapted to any nerf or change in EVE before..

All this nerf does is hurt the younger players and newer alliances or people who do not have the patience to scan down a plex here and there.

Sure i do anoms once in while while getting drunk listening to music or talking on the phone but considering that one can find at a very casual pace i might add, up to 3 to 5, 6/10, 8/10 a month generating 2 billion to 5 billion a month depending on loot. I would say thats more than enough to pay for plex cards and PVP including the nice SRP most NC corps provide. The anoms mean jack to most of us older players, and one would have to run about 40 to 60 sanctums a month (Yuck!!) vrs casual scanning.

So like i said all that will suffer is the younger players still trying to build an isk bank roll and progress or just keep up with pvp costs but do not have the skills or knowledge about scanning. So hats off to CCP who will have removed the artificial isk barrier between rich old players and Alliance's to the new poor players and new alliances and create a real barrier. I am sure that will have a positive effect on EVE.Confused

Funny to see all the haters who want the moon goo more spread out though cause apparently they don't know where it is and need CCP to give them a moon, and yet CCP needs to to try to invent more reasons to have wars. QuestionNeutralTry removing Paying rent to Concord for sov space for starters. Whats the point of taking space when after the sov war you are wondering who actually won cause now you are stuck paying for junk space you don't want. IRC and others live in 0,0 cause of this!!

g0ldfinger07
Amarr
Nexus.6
Posted - 2011.04.02 21:44:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Mr Peanut420
Don't be fooled, many many people are against this change. Many alliances put a lot of resources into developing space that anoms made worth while. This was CCPs stated intention, to populate 0.0. Now CCP is going to go and change the rules and make those investments worthless. That is going to seriously harm the integrity of the game and drive people away.

The casual pvper does not get moon goo or tax money or anything. They rat for their isk and pay real money for their accounts. They can't take space or start wars, only people with supercaps can do that. All they do is find another game, cause this one became too annoying.


The only people against this are worthless carebears that think pvp in eve= point and click and fly their **** drakes.

I for one fully endorse and support this change and why is there all this whine like people didn't live in null sec pre dominion i for one have lived and prospered in eve for the longest time. there is soo many ways to make isk beyond ratting.

Your all just a bunch of wow players that think the only way to make ingame currency is to grind. or maybe you dont want to make an alt to create isk. A vast majority of pvprs do this its just the nature of the beast. You wont be missed if you live null sec go and live eve ccp will not care dont you know living in null sec means you are the minority of this game ccp left us a long time ago.

Welcome to eve kick rocks if you dont like a tough game.


Mr Peanut420
Caldari
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.04.02 23:25:00 - [153]
 

Edited by: Mr Peanut420 on 02/04/2011 23:50:22

Those other ways to make isk have always been there and they just can't support the numbers that we now see in weak truesec regions. They were ghosttowns compared to what they are now. Bait and switch I say.

As for that hateful elitest stuff...not becoming of gentleman or a bff (good job ccp its already working on one guy).

edit: goldwhatever just booted from MM?

GambbiT
Gallente
ROMANIA Renegades
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2011.04.02 23:44:00 - [154]
 

well probably some alliance will loose renters, drone region wont be affected bots will still rule in belts. but hey we can all join NC, nice and warm there , bff forever and we gone be smack by the rest of the 15% eve null sec . o well ccp sucks time after time again and again and again and again and again and again and again, and we still PAY for our subscritions.they probably get lots of laughs reading this forum , " hey ccp something look at the fouls crying on the forums hahhahaahahha "

Justin Cody
Caldari
T.A.L.O.N. Company
B4D W01F
Posted - 2011.04.03 08:23:00 - [155]
 

I have an idea....wait nevermind. WHAT'S THE POINT OF UPGRADES IF THEY DON'T UPGRADE CCP. The upgrades cost me the same whether they give me super-silver-ponies-in-space sanctums, or dark brow poo hubs. so now I get to spend the SAME isk as any of the better true sec areas for less value derived. awww gee.

Maybe you can manipulate the true sec to make up for this. or maybe you'll just tear apart the one thing small alliances had going for them. good jorb you made the big guys bigger. This reminds me of what happens when govts pass more 'regulation' for your benefit but are really putting the screws to your ability to stay in business so the big guys will keep donating campaign cash.

nice...corporate syndicalism writ large in space.

boo3916
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.04.03 08:38:00 - [156]
 

I LOVE ALL THESE CAREBEAR TEARS, CRY SOME MORE Twisted Evil

Beowulff Schaefer
Amarr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.04.03 15:58:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: Beowulff Schaefer on 03/04/2011 15:58:25
Originally by: g0ldfinger07
there is soo many ways to make isk beyond ratting.


I hate to destroy your child-like innocence but ... there may be a lot of ways to make isk but there are not many ways to create ISK. Mission rewards. Selling to NPC merchant buy orders. Ratting. Everything else is just taking money from players who got it from other players who ..... got it from mission rewards, selling to NPC merchant buy orders or (you guessed it) ratting.

CCP surely has the data to speak definitively on how much of the universe wide ISK creation comes from 0.0 anoms vs. the other sources. IMO the first and biggest change this will be deflation. Even if the number of cash generating anoms remains constant, the ability to shut those down anoms with AFK cloakers is going to go up, so this change will lower ISK production from anoms and I think that's going to create a deflationary period. PLEX will sell for less. Minerals will sell for less. Prices will come down.

We will see.

I think there's very little chance that CCP gets what they want out of this change. The issue with 'lack of serious SOV warfare' has little to do with incentive -- people love blowing each other up and taking their toys -- and everything to do with the defender getting almost unilateral control of engagement timing.

As someone else posted, this change really just makes 0.0 smaller and that's going to have the effect of raising the barrier to entry to 0.0.

Spazz21
Amarr
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2011.04.03 18:00:00 - [158]
 

This kills casual gaming, you won't be able to log in, rat a bit and make some money. Then spend said money on ships to blow up until your ship blows up.

Maybe we should just boycott selling stuff in empire and all null alliances blue to each other. I know it sounds impossible, but it'll be a good way of saying **** You to CCP for not listening to what the players want.

SmashTech
Minmatar
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.04.03 18:20:00 - [159]
 

HELLO WE ARE CCP WE HAVE BRILLIANT PLAN TO DRIVE PLAYERS BACK TO LEVEL 4 MISSIONING IN HIGHSEC WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR IT WELL HERE IT IS NO THERE WILL NOT BE ANY DISCUSSION OF IT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING IT APRIL 5TH HAVE A NICE DAY THANK YOU COME AGAIN


Good god I hate you CCP. Not bothering to resub this alt account. Probs not gonna bother with the main either once Incarna turns out to be as terrible as I'm betting it will be.

Chaosmancer
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.04.03 18:26:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Spazz21
This kills casual gaming, you won't be able to log in, rat a bit and make some money. Then spend said money on ships to blow up until your ship blows up.

Maybe we should just boycott selling stuff in empire and all null alliances blue to each other. I know it sounds impossible, but it'll be a good way of saying **** You to CCP for not listening to what the players want.


Yes, because CCP is removing all anomalies and all missions... Way to overreact pal.
But go ahead, unsub and send CCP a message! it's amazing you've stayed this long with the crappy pve mechanics since it's evidently the only thing about eve you enjoy.

Spazz21
Amarr
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2011.04.03 20:48:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Chaosmancer
Originally by: Spazz21
This kills casual gaming, you won't be able to log in, rat a bit and make some money. Then spend said money on ships to blow up until your ship blows up.

Maybe we should just boycott selling stuff in empire and all null alliances blue to each other. I know it sounds impossible, but it'll be a good way of saying **** You to CCP for not listening to what the players want.


Yes, because CCP is removing all anomalies and all missions... Way to overreact pal.
But go ahead, unsub and send CCP a message! it's amazing you've stayed this long with the crappy pve mechanics since it's evidently the only thing about eve you enjoy.


Lol silly troll. Don't remember saying anything about quitting or removing anything. Just the fact that CCP is taking a nice hot dump on the players. Maybe you should pull your thumb out your ass and Learn to read? Greaaaat... Thhaaannnkkss.

Oh, and rage moar plaze, it brings me great pleasure knowing you have nothing better to do but ***** at people on the interwebz.

JerseyBOI 2
Gallente
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.04.03 21:47:00 - [162]
 

NERF JUMP BRIDGES FOR 2011!

B0k Ch0i
Gallente
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Black Core Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.04 05:34:00 - [163]
 

Quote:

Expected consequences

* Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space


As if they aren't already...
Quote:

* In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals


huh... , did you ever hear of strategy? Or are you expecting a bunch of r-tards to immediately invade -0.0, without support or logistics? Oh wait, i guess the coalitions are supposed to break up into a bunch of squabbling rat packs over a single true sec system...
Quote:

* Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec


I don't think the current owners are going to take that very well...
Quote:

* Coalitions will be marginally less stable


The key word here is "marginal," coalitions are based on the benefits of teamwork, which will be enhanced by the restrictions placed on the younger players through the nerf. (And it is a nerf with a happy face, you know it is...)

Quote:

* Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)


err... strategically inconvenient, uh... doesn't that make the strategically convenient 0.0 even more desirable (in order to setup the logistics to the good stuff)? I doubt that the Red alliances are gonna stop wanting geminate so they can focus on "strategically inconvenient" truesec...

This is just gibberish put forward as justification for a pure nerf...


Chaosmancer
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.04.04 06:16:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Spazz21
Originally by: Chaosmancer
Originally by: Spazz21
This kills casual gaming, you won't be able to log in, rat a bit and make some money. Then spend said money on ships to blow up until your ship blows up.

Maybe we should just boycott selling stuff in empire and all null alliances blue to each other. I know it sounds impossible, but it'll be a good way of saying **** You to CCP for not listening to what the players want.


Yes, because CCP is removing all anomalies and all missions... Way to overreact pal.
But go ahead, unsub and send CCP a message! it's amazing you've stayed this long with the crappy pve mechanics since it's evidently the only thing about eve you enjoy.


Lol silly troll. Don't remember saying anything about quitting or removing anything. Just the fact that CCP is taking a nice hot dump on the players. Maybe you should pull your thumb out your ass and Learn to read? Greaaaat... Thhaaannnkkss.

Oh, and rage moar plaze, it brings me great pleasure knowing you have nothing better to do but ***** at people on the interwebz.


Look at you raging <3

Lancard
Caldari
Endless Destruction
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.04.04 06:51:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Greyscale
Expected consequences

* Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space
* In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals
* Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
* Coalitions will be marginally less stable
* Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=883



I oppose the anomaly nerf....

...simply because this change will provide less incentive for players to be in 0.0 which will most likely cause population deflation of sov null-sec. Additionally, it seems that having 'more conflicts' could be better achieved by spawning the BPCs/parts/etc for the next new FTOM ship in a few, select regions (kinda like why ppl go to WHs to farm T3 ships/ISK and will POS bash over preferred WHs).

Thus this change seems like eve is taking 1 step forward (which is creating more conflict, if any) and 10 steps back (most likely significantly deflating sov null-sec).

tl;dr version:
I like boobies

g0ldfinger07
Amarr
Nexus.6
Posted - 2011.04.04 14:10:00 - [166]
 

All your tears belong to ccp.

Brace yourself you horrible null sec leeches the nerf bat is coming enjoy hope all you whiny carebears run screaming back to high sec and dropping all ur shiny stuff out your poop tube.

As far as being booted out of mihi that's hardly the case with all the swinging ccp is bout to d with the nerf bat I'm going back to small gang pvp as I enjoy nothing more than licking your carebear tears after popping your ship you spent hours and hours wow style grinding to get

And to the other gentlemen sure you can speculate on what does what to this market in this game but little do you know just like in r.l a few hold the mass majority of the wealth and can dictate the flux of the market. I've made billions off of pvp suprise carebear it happens.

I've made billions building t2 mods abd I've made billions building capitals. So as far as saying that the market will suck because your no longer gonna be handed 95% risk free isk is silly the market was lower before anoms so with less demand=more supply or don't you understand fundamental econmics.

See ya in space cowboy
G0ldfinger07

Svetlanna
Amarr
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.04.04 14:52:00 - [167]
 

CCP marketing approach: FOOD for the masses = more $$$.
It use to be a 3* gastronomic restaurant, it is turning into a bad junk food chain. Crying or Very sad

TommyMc88
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:27:00 - [168]
 

This really is a terrible 0.0 idea. Got to say it, the points which CCP make that it will be good in the long term are the points that I can see make it fail.

Make coalitions less stable. I guess the idea is to make some fail, the major ones won't fail they are far too stable for that. And you can't fault them for that.

Make it easier for smaller alliance to get a foothold in nullsec... how? Like what the **** are they gonna do? Take some crappy system that makes them no isk, then fail and go back to highsec? Try take a good truesec then get some angry bigger alliance **** face them because they have too many crappy systems for their members to make no isk.

If you guys(CCP) have taught this through very clearly you need better people thinking it out, eg: the playerbase. Because that really is the worst idea I've ever heard of.

/end rant. Cop on CCP.

Si'ren
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:36:00 - [169]
 

Guys, come-on.. Just start belt-ratting like the old days and stop crying. If you're mad about not making as much isk maybe you should ask your alliance leaders to share some of that sweet, sweet tech profit with the lower-class fodder.

Just a thought.

Graham Bauval
Caldari
Malevolence.
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.04.04 15:49:00 - [170]
 

They just want to make it easier for DUST 514 players to be able to actually fight other players and not just NPC's...yea I said "DUST 514" Laughing

ed jeni
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:27:00 - [171]
 

well in a world of bad ideas this is one of the worst to come from CCP in quite a while.
there are a lot of rants (and yes tears too) in this thread which seem politically motivated but perhaps keeping on the subject is more productive.

as was said by others, everyone in EVE is a carebear from time to time, myself and my fellow corpies run sanctums to earn ship tokens to spend on pvp, now we all have lives and the time we spend in eve (for us) is split 50/50 earning isk then blowing it up on pvp giggles.

with this nerf we will have to change our time to 70/30 earning isk/blowing stuff up.

i am pretty sure a bunch of our pilots will head back to hi-sec as at least there they can run lvl 4's to earn isk and find what hi-sec pvp they can. the rest will stay and be unhappy with the situation.

"go find better space" well as a small corp that just aint gonna happen with so many large corp/alliances looking for the most lucrative systems. so this will leave 0.0 to the larger corps while the small guys run to hi-sec to better fill their wallets doing lv 4's

generally this will lead to many small 0.0 corps either folding, or quitting, now we can all see this, its as plain as day, so why would CCP do such a thing?

well the reason i think is that players are left with a choice, leave 0.0 with its risks/rewards and enjoyment or buy a few plex/GTC to replace the isk income they have lost, win/win for CCP.

or look to running a few bots to replace lost income, not ideal but when faced with the permaban or do i quit because my patience is running out, there are a hundred things wrong with EVE currently that as a player base we have constantly asked to be resolved CCP say they listen to the players, well why then do we have a hundred outstanding problems that need fixing and CCP come up with a 0.0 nerf? perhaps fix things like hybrids/balance moon goo/lag/gui/mkt problems etc etc before handing us this problem to fix somthing that really wasnt broke, nice one CCP truly listening to the players !


knobber Jobbler
Caldari
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:38:00 - [172]
 

I don't think anyone will leave 0.0, or be forced to. It might mean less new corps go to 0.0 if there is less money to be made.

After all, you have to have ISK to PVP and bounties are one of the sole things in EVE, apart from missions that inject ISK into the economy. Everything else is just recycling ISK. That officer mod found in a Sanctum thats sold to a high sec carebear is just ISK recycling, not adding new ISK to the economy.

Its certainly a kick in the nuts to single account players like myself who have to balance EVE with real life and have little desire to ever do carebearing. I'll just end up buying more GTC's to sell. I just hope the price doesn't drop!

TommyMc88
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.04.04 16:54:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: knobber Jobbler
I don't think anyone will leave 0.0, or be forced to. It might mean less new corps go to 0.0 if there is less money to be made.

After all, you have to have ISK to PVP and bounties are one of the sole things in EVE, apart from missions that inject ISK into the economy. Everything else is just recycling ISK. That officer mod found in a Sanctum thats sold to a high sec carebear is just ISK recycling, not adding new ISK to the economy.

Its certainly a kick in the nuts to single account players like myself who have to balance EVE with real life and have little desire to ever do carebearing. I'll just end up buying more GTC's to sell. I just hope the price doesn't drop!

I guess CCP gets what they are after then.

Nuramori
Amarr
Drama Llamas
Posted - 2011.04.04 17:02:00 - [174]
 

I've read a large number of the posts on this thread but haven't seen anyone note that the nerf is for ccp's benefit, not to make eve more interesting. Many people have more than one account, using one to make isk, but thats usually to pay for gtcs and play for free on all their accounts

The change is likely to make isk generation less for players and force people to pay for accounts rather than just isk mine and not put real money in CCP's coffers. someone should redo an excel sheet to see if the changes break the threshold of monthly isk generation vs market value of gtc/plex to cover a minimum of two toons. .

Xolax Castle
Minmatar
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.04.04 17:24:00 - [175]
 

I remember a time where you could go on a roam and know you were going to run into Ravens ratting in belts... THAT TIME IS BACK!

1st: CCP is just responding to my petition on moving carebears out of the bunkers and back into the line of fire! Glad to know you listen CCP!

2nd: They are nerfing Drakes and restoring the endangered Raven back into its natural habitat! Where they can florish again being hunted by the average solo roamer!

So all the carebears that have been building up isk... its time to go back to high sec where you can be safe running level 4's. Prepair for the AFK cloakers to take flight once again on a true sec system near you! Twisted Evil

Wu Phat
Caldari
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:11:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: Wu Phat on 04/04/2011 18:14:17
Originally by: TommyMc88
This really is a terrible 0.0 idea. Got to say it, the points which CCP make that it will be good in the long term are the points that I can see make it fail.

Make it easier for smaller alliance to get a foothold in nullsec... how? Like what the **** are they gonna do? Take some crappy system that makes them no isk, then fail and go back to highsec? Try take a good truesec then get some angry bigger alliance **** face them because they have too many crappy systems for their members to make no isk.



+10 Three things should happen with this nerf.

Arrow All the carebears leave and go back to high sec or migrate to alliances or corps with better true sec areas.

Arrow Stop or slow Power blocks renter income in poor true sec areas.

Arrow Take more money out of eve, effectively making you buy more plex or bot for the quick buck.

Also like he said above, I don't see larger alliances / Power Blocks letting anyone take space just becasue they don't want it. You pay rent or they just leave the system sovereignty-less.

Originally by: Xolax Castle
I remember a time where you could go on a roam and know you were going to run into Ravens ratting in belts... THAT TIME IS BACK!



If you want to farm Ravens now there are plenty of bot ravens to be caught in immensea. Try to catch all the Ravens you want in that region.

Xolax Castle
Minmatar
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:23:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Wu Phat
Originally by: Xolax Castle
I remember a time where you could go on a roam and know you were going to run into Ravens ratting in belts... THAT TIME IS BACK!



If you want to farm Ravens now there are plenty of bot ravens to be caught in immensea. Try to catch all the Ravens you want in that region.



Everyone knows that bot ravens dont have real tears!

Wu Phat
Caldari
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:32:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Xolax Castle
Originally by: Wu Phat
Originally by: Xolax Castle


If you want to farm Ravens now there are plenty of bot ravens to be caught in immensea. Try to catch all the Ravens you want in that region.



Everyone knows that bot ravens dont have real tears!


Real people play this game what ??? You lie!!!!

Berrik Radhok
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:05:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Si'ren
Guys, come-on.. Just start belt-ratting like the old days and stop crying. If you're mad about not making as much isk maybe you should ask your alliance leaders to share some of that sweet, sweet tech profit with the lower-class fodder.

Just a thought.


GSF goes through approximately 75 billion a month just to pay for essential alliance infrastructure. Believe me, there is no magical fountain of tech goo flowing directly into the director's pockets. Holding space is goddamn expensive as hell.

Bagehi
Caldari
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:44:00 - [180]
 

Goodbye to the Provi alliances. I am amused that NC(dot), AAA, and Atlas people are giggling with delight about this change. The nerf bat is aimed squarely at your space my old friends.


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