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Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr
Jewberg Trade Federation and Bank
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:25:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Ace Frehley
I lulz at the whine here.

Why is it so bad? It is not like regions in 0.0 been dead before the "equal crap space" was launched. Look at Provi, 1 of the worst regions if you look at it. Still CVA and their dudes manage to build a region that prosperd without moongoo and sanctums. Most of CVA space was build before Dominion I think.
And for people who played back in castor era and before you could build stations, every region was populated. In the very early era of eve, some regions dident even have stations. Then stations came in none-npc space, often 3 stations per region sometimes just 2, and maybe 5-6 jumps between factory and refinery station, and people lived in the new frontier with no problem. It is all about adopting the current living conditions.

I think this new era of non equal space will do more good for 0.0 space then this sanctum crap is. Alliances who control space will have to come up with new ways to make isk. maybe open up their space to third party people who travel to their space to do trade, build etc. We get an era of neutral workforce that generate isk to the alliance by their actions. Not as it is today, when alliance closes it space and kill everything that comes near or blue it. Atlast we maybe get a civilian third party commercial era of 0.0 space, and manage to create something ISS failed to do.


CVA built a region, used to have it. Back in the day without dominion sov bills. CVA is gone, the sob bills of dominion for stations with the crappy non-upgradeable systems of pre-dominion makes a fail which what CVA did will never happen in the future.


Painpill
Minmatar
Open Space Mining and Resource Extraction
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:34:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Zaber Xavier
are yall really that narrow minded that all yall saw was me ****ed off bout the sanctums. i was making an example and the main point in that whole deal is that ccp has yet too fix the main problem and they will keep dodging it until they have no more subscritpions playing their game. (ITS THE LAG ISSUE) we have seen that they cant handle what they want more of so they are trying too create more of good i like it but first lets stick with the main problem at hand we see it or read about or hear about all the time LAG MAJOR MAGOR LAG in the fleet battles with they want more fighting in null sec ok but what has been stopping most of it is that the node cant handle what is brought too the table soo they need too first find that code or something that keeps going wrong and fix it.


lol NO NO NO

the issue here are NAP's

WHY would you need 3000 doods to fight 300? are you all really that mindless that you cant do anything without Major Alliances holding your hands? Seriously get off that teet

Miagi Sans
Amarr
PURgE-Corp
PURgE Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:39:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Armeggeda iscariah
* Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec

this made me laugh Rolling Eyes

yeah i don't get it either....how is this supposed to help?

Revolution Rising
Minmatar
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.03.28 20:10:00 - [64]
 

why shouldn't it be nerfed?

People can mine 6-10 hours a day and collect 1b at the end of the week.

Ratters rat for 3 hours a day and get 2 x 1b isk drops and a couple worth 500m each.

gf.
(no that wasn't short for good fight).

MuppetsSlayed
Minmatar
Strategic Syndicate
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.03.28 20:12:00 - [65]
 

0.0 is already far too over crowded with the current amount of worthwhile anomolies.

Only 4 per system currently means we all need to group up.
The spawn rates are currently far to slow as it is now.

http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc325/MuppetsSlayed/too_crowded.png

And you want to make this worse?
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND

lwxsky oli
Minmatar
FACTS on EVE
Posted - 2011.03.28 21:08:00 - [66]
 

Nerf everything. Only thing will last for ever is macro bots.

Already 30% characters using bots making one billion isk per day.

So who give a xxxx about all these changes. LOL

Grml Z
Amarr
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.28 21:11:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: MuppetsSlayed
0.0 is already far too over crowded with the current amount of worthwhile anomolies.

Only 4 per system currently means we all need to group up.
The spawn rates are currently far to slow as it is now.

http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc325/MuppetsSlayed/too_crowded.png

And you want to make this worse?
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND


Ahh,too crowded you say?
You know what might help there? Not having 100.000+ people on blue.
Reset some people and fight for your isk making space. Very Happy
But,oh yeah right,that is what those changes are about.

Good work CCP,keep it coming, make the drake blob cry. Twisted Evil


ScrewBall
Amarr
Alpha Empire
Posted - 2011.03.28 22:24:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Grml Z
Originally by: MuppetsSlayed
0.0 is already far too over crowded with the current amount of worthwhile anomolies.

Only 4 per system currently means we all need to group up.
The spawn rates are currently far to slow as it is now.

http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc325/MuppetsSlayed/too_crowded.png

And you want to make this worse?
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND


Ahh,too crowded you say?
You know what might help there? Not having 100.000+ people on blue.
Reset some people and fight for your isk making space. Very Happy
But,oh yeah right,that is what those changes are about.

Good work CCP,keep it coming, make the drake blob cry. Twisted Evil





What he said

Si'ren
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.28 22:36:00 - [69]
 

I support the current dev blogs regarding the updates to 0.0, specifically with jump bridges and anomolies.

ScheenK
Gallente
Constantine.
Posted - 2011.03.28 22:54:00 - [70]
 

NC and pets will surely cascade in the event that their plexs are tooken away from them, fidelas constans

do you even profit from sanctums and havens? guristas give you guys a good run for your money, check their killboard for more details!! ugh

Stevie EsGe
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.29 02:23:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
If you aren't keeping up with the dev blogs, please read the latest one, in which CCP speaks about removing all of the "good" anomalies from high truesec 0.0 systems. CCP once again shows a clear lack of understanding of game mechanics, if they think this will in any way "help" 0.0. Please comment in this thread to add your voice to the protest against this. In the past CCP has changed their mind when they see too many people are unhappy about the change.


Good call of CCP, And u immidiatly show that yer alliance is fcked when it comes ingame. Been around yer space last few days, didnt know station spinning is so much fun.

xXx

Venetian Tar
Caldari
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.29 02:48:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Stevie EsGe
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
If you aren't keeping up with the dev blogs, please read the latest one, in which CCP speaks about removing all of the "good" anomalies from high truesec 0.0 systems. CCP once again shows a clear lack of understanding of game mechanics, if they think this will in any way "help" 0.0. Please comment in this thread to add your voice to the protest against this. In the past CCP has changed their mind when they see too many people are unhappy about the change.


Good call of CCP, And u immidiatly show that yer alliance is fcked when it comes ingame. Been around yer space last few days, didnt know station spinning is so much fun.

xXx


http://i.imgur.com/HL1ZR.jpg

Your posting makes kittens cry. In fact it's so bad, Jesus wants to kill them.

fpshacker
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.29 02:57:00 - [73]
 

a lot of NC tears in this thread. Cry more you terrible pveing scrubs.

momtherussiansbadtouchme
Gallente
E0 Corp
Innovia Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.29 03:19:00 - [74]
 

Who is bigger at this point? the NC or the DRF? DRF has 15 regions. More then NC and CAAASEROL put together by one. Not trying to stir **** up. Just honestly asking.

Latino lover
Minmatar
SEX WITH PENYS
Posted - 2011.03.29 04:06:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 04:06:13
oh noes they gonna nerf farmers
love carebears tears

Bobbechk
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.29 07:37:00 - [76]
 

maby OP should buy some nice systems in Delve from us

Ltd SpacePig
Amarr
FISKL GUARDS
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.03.29 09:01:00 - [77]
 

I think this is great news :) I know this will upset a lot of the lazy 0.0 carebears that just wants to sit in a system all the time running havens and sanctums. If you want peace.. move to highsec and run mission.. 0.0 is about war and conflict not about peace and carebearing. There is just to much good space these days and that leads to a static 0.0 witch will be boring. Will this hurt NC? Yeah it will.. but it will hit the rest of us to, but its good for us.

CCP.. i know you will get a lot of screaming over this but its the right thing to do.. keep up the good work :)

knobber Jobbler
Caldari
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.29 10:29:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Latino lover
Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 04:06:13
oh noes they gonna nerf farmers
love carebears tears


So you make your ISK how? AFAIK everyone in this game is a carebear to one degree or another. Apart from the RMT people and botters that is. Which one are you?

One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.

Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.03.29 10:46:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: knobber Jobbler

One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.

Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.


- HighSec moon mining is lucrative?
- building capital ships in high sec is 'possible'?
- asteroids in high sec produce product equally or better value?

Oh wait, you're picking your own stats to care about and ignoring the lucrative parts by comparing agent missions to what may end up being (for your system) 'constant flow' anomalies! Yawn ...

By the way:

An anomaly is any occurrence or object that is strange, unusual, or unique. It can also mean a discrepancy or deviation from an established rule, trend, or pattern.

CCP didn't delivery 'anomalies', they delivered *continuous* 'agentless' missions.

This + all of 0.0's originally planned faucets of ISK apparently is a bit higher than needed.

CCP seem think this didn't work because, instead of causing you to splinter and fight or become one alliance, you chose to become faceless numbers of blues.



knobber Jobbler
Caldari
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:16:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: knobber Jobbler on 29/03/2011 12:18:29
Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: knobber Jobbler

One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.

Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.


- HighSec moon mining is lucrative?
- building capital ships in high sec is 'possible'?
- asteroids in high sec produce product equally or better value?

Oh wait, you're picking your own stats to care about and ignoring the lucrative parts by comparing agent missions to what may end up being (for your system) 'constant flow' anomalies! Yawn ...

By the way:

An anomaly is any occurrence or object that is strange, unusual, or unique. It can also mean a discrepancy or deviation from an established rule, trend, or pattern.

CCP didn't delivery 'anomalies', they delivered *continuous* 'agentless' missions.

This + all of 0.0's originally planned faucets of ISK apparently is a bit higher than needed.

CCP seem think this didn't work because, instead of causing you to splinter and fight or become one alliance, you chose to become faceless numbers of blues.





Moon mining is a corp wide thing. It just about produces enough to sustain a system, it in no way produces enough to fit out a corporation of say 100 people who might live and defend there.

Building capital ships takes large corps and alliances. Even for 1000+ man alliance its not the easiest of enterprises. To do that you need to hold sov, to to hold sov you need ships and pilots, to get ships you need ISK. To get ISK you need an income for individual corp members.

Yes, 0.0 belts are better than high sec. So does everyone now have to become a miner to get ISK? Won't that flood the market and devalue it? Won't that cause queues for belts? Won't that have serious repurcussions in the market place? Maybe the only benefit is deadspace gear will become less common.

Apart from botters 0.0 works right now. CCP should look at Faction Warfare, low sec content, nerfing wormhole income, adding high sec content, fixing bugs, rebalancing hybrids, not ****ing around with something that works right now.

Its not like people don't come and take us faceless blues on. Recently we've had Evoke and buddies attack us twice, two wars with the DRF and PL. Its not like no action is going on in 0.0. Its just action between large groups of organised players.

More to the point, these 0.0 changes won't help new corps come to 0.0. All it might mean is crap systems become unoccupied, fill up with small/disorganised corps, they get crushed and there wrecks salvaged for extra income. The small corps that occupy these crap systems can't make money from them, enough to replace losses so go back to high sec. Who does this change help? No one.

I might eventually support some sort of changes like this, eventually. First though CCP should deal with the bot and RMT issue. Thats a source of ISK income that needs to be tackled, especially when it fund 0.0 invasions and pays for mercenary alliances. Only then should they make economic changes to EVE which affect EULA abidding players. That isn't to much to ask.

Ripperljohn
Caldari
Ore Mongers
Indecisive Certainty
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:41:00 - [81]
 

so

overall less ratting systems, which means ppl gotta share their sanctums
lot's of stations in now useless areas
ppl gotta learn to chain again


now why do i think that's a great change...

knobber Jobbler
Caldari
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:47:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Ripperljohn
so

overall less ratting systems, which means ppl gotta share their sanctums
lot's of stations in now useless areas
ppl gotta learn to chain again


now why do i think that's a great change...


But what will it change? Short term it might mean some SOV changes hands, in the long term it means the power blocs will just live in those better systems. THis isn't a long term soluton but a short term knee jerk to Greyscales executive hardon.

Myz Toyou
Minmatar
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:49:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Ripperljohn
so

overall less ratting systems, which means ppl gotta share their sanctums
lot's of stations in now useless areas
ppl gotta learn to chain again


now why do i think that's a great change...


uhm, be prepared to get anry mails from your NC brosefs for not blowing the same "whine" horn.

Ripperljohn
Caldari
Ore Mongers
Indecisive Certainty
Posted - 2011.03.29 12:54:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: knobber Jobbler
in the long term it means the power blocs will just live in those better systems.


yo Tech yo

BuckStrider
Caldari
Nano-Tech Experiments
Posted - 2011.03.29 13:12:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: knobber Jobbler
Originally by: Latino lover
Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 04:06:13
oh noes they gonna nerf farmers
love carebears tears


So you make your ISK how? AFAIK everyone in this game is a carebear to one degree or another. Apart from the RMT people and botters that is. Which one are you?

One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.

Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.

I'll bet you never lived in a wormhole 'cause you seem to be talking out of your ass

DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.29 13:46:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Who cares eve is dying anyway Cool


Indeed Neutral




Latino lover
Minmatar
SEX WITH PENYS
Posted - 2011.03.29 14:21:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 14:22:37
Originally by: knobber Jobbler
Originally by: Latino lover
Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 04:06:13
oh noes they gonna nerf farmers
love carebears tears


So you make your ISK how? AFAIK everyone in this game is a carebear to one degree or another. Apart from the RMT people and botters that is. Which one are you?

One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.

Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.


A smart person wouldnt ask that question , there are a lots of ways to make way more isk and spend way less time then farming ...but I get for carebears this game its kinda hard...

And I love how every farmer emo raged but if they were playing since 1 year ago when they boosted the anomalies I would understand , but untill dominion how they made their isk ?:)) idiots

knobber Jobbler
Caldari
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.29 15:19:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Latino lover
Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 14:22:37
Originally by: knobber Jobbler
Originally by: Latino lover
Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 04:06:13
oh noes they gonna nerf farmers
love carebears tears


So you make your ISK how? AFAIK everyone in this game is a carebear to one degree or another. Apart from the RMT people and botters that is. Which one are you?

One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.

Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.


A smart person wouldnt ask that question , there are a lots of ways to make way more isk and spend way less time then farming ...but I get for carebears this game its kinda hard...

And I love how every farmer emo raged but if they were playing since 1 year ago when they boosted the anomalies I would understand , but untill dominion how they made their isk ?:)) idiots


Everyone has a carebear trade to make the ISK for PVP. I guess you must mine from your losses? I like to fly logistics ships. But I also need to make ISK within the means of the character I have.

So I can station trade (done it before, full of bots), mine (more bots, crap market unless I run half a dozen accounts), make stuff (don't have the character with the skills), do datacores (already saturated and getting a nerf), rat and do missions and I can buy and sell GTC's. If you remove a money making option people will gravitate towards others diluting that.

Now why don't you offer something constructive to this thread instead of trolling? You don't have to be a difficult.;)

Marconus Orion
Amarr
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.29 15:31:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: DurrHurrDurr
If sanctums die I'll just start botting. PvE is a boring pain in the ass; it's watching three gray bars turn red. Make it more of a pain and I'm just going to automate it.


Cool idle threat bro.

El Liptonez
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.03.29 15:31:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: El Liptonez on 29/03/2011 15:32:56
Originally by: momtherussiansbadtouchme
TLDR with that system losses of high end sites are
DRF 30% loss across 15 regions
PL 26% loss on one region
NC 57% loss across seven regions
CAAASEROL 50% loss across seven regions
Nulli Secunda 33$ loss on one region
DC 48% loss across 3 regions
Ev0ke 93 percent loss on one region


Since PL and Ev0ke are known for constant ratting, they really should care. Wait maybe not. DRF percentage kinda shows that they didn't mindlessly drop sov and stations over all the ****tiest places humanly possible.

Edit: Also lol @ all the PVPers needing to rat for their losses. Maybe stop sucking at either making ISK or PVP.


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