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The Slagh
Amarr
Universal Peace Operation
Posted - 2011.03.27 06:29:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: terrible nc carebears
what the **** they are turning off our isk faucet now we will have to actually care about what space we hold


ez life is over for you guys

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.03.27 08:22:00 - [32]
 

So CCP thinks that coalitions and alliances that have been allys and friends some for years, are going to backstab and start fighting each other over...sanctums? It still amuses me how CCP seems so disconnected from their own game.

Zaber Xavier
Caldari
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.03.27 08:35:00 - [33]
 

from what i can tell yall enjoy broken nodes and system crashes necause of conflict . well if you create more conflict then you get more large scale fights. which at the same time crashes the node more so before we going nerfing 0.o lets try getting the correct codes or lines that can hold a node up of 2500players on it or more with no lag what soo ever. so yes i am against the nerf. yes i am a grunt i am not stupid but i know what i have too do too make monety too fight and too make **** like missions is soo much bs its just bad. soo ccp fix your freckin game first before you start making any changes. and stop adding **** wait until the ;lag codes or lines are fixed
cause all your gonna do is loose more and more peopleEvil or Very Mad

Comy 1
Amarr
Ore Mongers
Indecisive Certainty
Posted - 2011.03.27 10:12:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
So CCP thinks that coalitions and alliances that have been allys and friends some for years, are going to backstab and start fighting each other over...sanctums? It still amuses me how CCP seems so disconnected from their own game.


Sanctums means nothing, that's why this thread was created.

Farham
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.03.27 15:19:00 - [35]
 

" Originally by: Farham


I wonder how all the corps and alliances who have dropped crap loads of stations in really crappy sec space are feeling about now.

Laughing



You talking about yourself?"



Yes, Since I live in Vale of Silent....


xKillswitchx
Caldari
APEX ARDENT COALITION
NEM3SIS.
Posted - 2011.03.27 15:37:00 - [36]
 

The reason why CCP is doing this is because they want to encourage us to have moer fights over resources. The problem I see with this is we already have massive fights in null sec with tons of regions being flipped over the last 6 months. Yet in all of this fighting. CCP has yet to have improved the lag. Instead, they continue to give us more and more "upgrades" that they say are helping to improve the game yet they still haven't fixed the fundamental problem of lag.

Introducing more things like what they are talking about is only going to **** people off and nerf the game. If this is truly the way they want to go why not make most of null sec empire space and be done with it. Saying that -.1 to -.2 only gets this anomaly and so on is stupid. If that's how its going to be then why not get rid of the various levels of null sec one true sec standings.

I honestly think if CCP goes through with this massive nerf of null sec they are going to lose the vast majority of players. There will be even more swaths of null sec that is left unclaimed and not used because there will only be small pockets of a region that is even worth upgrading. The whole point of doing the upgrades was to allow people to take a crappy system and make it usable to allow them to make isk. It created minnie empires and that was the entire goal and intent. It did what it needed. Let's leave the system the way it is and let's work on fixing the existing problems.

JusyFrut
Caldari
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.27 15:56:00 - [37]
 

Can i please have what CCP Greyscale has been smoking / drinking it obviously works very well!

xXxSatsujinxXx
Gallente
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.03.27 18:49:00 - [38]
 

ZOMGRAGERAGEOMGZ

How did we live before sanctum farms came along?

I seem to remember hearing a load of whining for the last few months about no ratters being in belts anymore, instead they're tucked up safe in sanctums and hard to catch wahwah. CCP fix it for you pvp'ers, and all of a sudden you're whining hard about your carebear backbone.


SXyWhile
Gallente
Echo Roaming Industries
Posted - 2011.03.27 18:55:00 - [39]
 

Do what you want. Too many ****ing carebears in this ****ing game. Make them angry so they start pvping.

- S

I Legionnaire
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.03.27 19:21:00 - [40]
 

I fully support the proposed changes.

Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.27 19:28:00 - [41]
 

What? A step toward having terrible space offered to terrible players?

momtherussiansbadtouchme
Gallente
E0 Corp
Innovia Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.27 19:58:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: momtherussiansbadtouchme on 27/03/2011 19:59:23
Link to spreadsheet form of scrapheap chart

For those of you that don't mind clicking links, here's the graph in a Google spreadsheet.

To get the numbers i took:
<-.2 at -4 sites as that removed all havens and sanctums
-.3 to -.4 at -2 sites which leaves havens but no sanctums
-.5 to -.6 at -1 for 2 havens and 1 sanctum
-.7 to -.8 at +1 for 2 haven 2 sanctums and the extra
-.9 to -1.0 at +2 for 3 and 3

If my numbers are off on those if someone wants to tell me what the proper numbers more likely are per field I can change it pretty fast

TLDR with that system losses of high end sites are
DRF 30% loss across 15 regions
PL 26% loss on one region
NC 57% loss across seven regions
CAAASEROL 50% loss across seven regions
Nulli Secunda 33$ loss on one region
DC 48% loss across 3 regions
Ev0ke 93 percent loss on one region

Zaber Xavier
Caldari
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.03.27 22:09:00 - [43]
 

are yall really that narrow minded that all yall saw was me ****ed off bout the sanctums. i was making an example and the main point in that whole deal is that ccp has yet too fix the main problem and they will keep dodging it until they have no more subscritpions playing their game. (ITS THE LAG ISSUE) we have seen that they cant handle what they want more of so they are trying too create more of good i like it but first lets stick with the main problem at hand we see it or read about or hear about all the time LAG MAJOR MAGOR LAG in the fleet battles with they want more fighting in null sec ok but what has been stopping most of it is that the node cant handle what is brought too the table soo they need too first find that code or something that keeps going wrong and fix it.

Wicked X
Gallente
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.27 22:43:00 - [44]
 

Sounds like some great changes.
Keep up the good work CCP and dont let the whining carebears stop you.
Coalitions whining about those changes means it has the effect you hope for.

Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2011.03.27 23:17:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Wicked X
Sounds like some great changes.
Keep up the good work CCP and dont let the whining carebears stop you.
Coalitions whining about those changes means it has the effect you hope for.


Well, since youz guyz make isk from contracts, what happens when all the targets leave nul? It's trickle-down economics.

You gonna follow the bears to hisec and start war-decing for isk?

Misanth
Amarr
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.27 23:42:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: xXxSatsujinxXx
ZOMGRAGERAGEOMGZ

How did we live before sanctum farms came along?

I seem to remember hearing a load of whining for the last few months about no ratters being in belts anymore, instead they're tucked up safe in sanctums and hard to catch wahwah. CCP fix it for you pvp'ers, and all of a sudden you're whining hard about your carebear backbone.


You mean someone else remembers the days before sanctums, lv4's, easy logistics in null.. when beltratting was the way to make isk and smallscale roaming PvP was still happening?

I guess the OP has a point. It is so nice to have all carebears cluttered up in a fortress home system, pretty safed up in sanctums with every defensive tool seconds away. Farming isk at (the very least) a double lv4-rate, and no reason to care in what region you live. Yes, it does sound sensible..

..but then, a portion of my corp taxes goes straight to me, so ehrm. *cough* Razz

5n4keyes
Caldari
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.03.28 01:08:00 - [47]
 

The problem isnt that they are removing Havens and Sanctums from alot of EvE, its that its a massive backtrack on the vision for 0.0.

CCP has stated they want all of 0.0 to be filled up and useable, which is why the upgrades were introduced, this allowed the smaller alliances to get somewhere in the game, they could have that crappy constellation that the big guys didnt want, carve there little bit of 0.0, this worked really well.

Added to this, people were then able to generate some nice income, which ment having an extra account, or two, or three.

Yes the anoms effected PVP, but this is being fixed to an extent, by the changes to the on board scanner, making it easier to find a ratter. Hell take it one step further, and put anoms on the overview like Incursions if you really want to.

These changes will once again devalue 0.0, and with the changes to Agents, its going to drive people back to empire, and them alts that came with the extra income, will be deactivated.

Chaosmancer
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.28 08:01:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
So CCP thinks that coalitions and alliances that have been allys and friends some for years, are going to backstab and start fighting each other over...sanctums? It still amuses me how CCP seems so disconnected from their own game.


As a member of -42- I'm sure you've seen your fair share of drama over who's got dibs on anoms.

Marconus Orion
Amarr
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.28 08:35:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: 5n4keyes
its a massive backtrack on the vision for 0.0.


The vision for 0.0 is not back tracking. The vision is evolving. Just like any changes, it will cause players to rethink how they play the game. Forge new allies, sever old ones. Abandon old strategies and formulate new ones.

Changes to the game is nothing new to players. Especially EVE players. What was the phrase NC was screaming at the top of their lungs when the nano nerf was announced because they couldn't handle small fast roaming gangs running circles around their blobs? Ah yes...

Adapt or die!

Pesadel0
Minmatar
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.03.28 09:29:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: 5n4keyes
its a massive backtrack on the vision for 0.0.


The vision for 0.0 is not back tracking. The vision is evolving. Just like any changes, it will cause players to rethink how they play the game. Forge new allies, sever old ones. Abandon old strategies and formulate new ones.

Changes to the game is nothing new to players. Especially EVE players. What was the phrase NC was screaming at the top of their lungs when the nano nerf was announced because they couldn't handle small fast roaming gangs running circles around their blobs? Ah yes...

Adapt or die!


Of course is backtracking , because you know some people including you apparently played before anomalies were introduced , so we will be back to pre-anomaly days , when 0.0 was more empty than it is today.

It will generate more PVP?I mean really what the hell are you guys smoking?People will just move on to empire and farm L4 with the alts and make a s*** of cash and safer.

Myz Toyou
Minmatar
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2011.03.28 09:32:00 - [51]
 

Good stuff by CCP, just check how much bounty payout increased since they implemented Eldorado for every 0.0 system. At the moment wars last months on end and ending mostly in a stalement. Before the changes to Eldorado wars were lost because the grunts run out of ISK after 4-10 weeks and therefor bailed to greener pastures.
Also less ISK, less Supers or atleast they`re not getting that fast replaced as it happens now -> Good

Moar tears please.

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.28 09:43:00 - [52]
 

I lulz at the whine here.

Why is it so bad? It is not like regions in 0.0 been dead before the "equal crap space" was launched. Look at Provi, 1 of the worst regions if you look at it. Still CVA and their dudes manage to build a region that prosperd without moongoo and sanctums. Most of CVA space was build before Dominion I think.
And for people who played back in castor era and before you could build stations, every region was populated. In the very early era of eve, some regions dident even have stations. Then stations came in none-npc space, often 3 stations per region sometimes just 2, and maybe 5-6 jumps between factory and refinery station, and people lived in the new frontier with no problem. It is all about adopting the current living conditions.

I think this new era of non equal space will do more good for 0.0 space then this sanctum crap is. Alliances who control space will have to come up with new ways to make isk. maybe open up their space to third party people who travel to their space to do trade, build etc. We get an era of neutral workforce that generate isk to the alliance by their actions. Not as it is today, when alliance closes it space and kill everything that comes near or blue it. Atlast we maybe get a civilian third party commercial era of 0.0 space, and manage to create something ISS failed to do.

Rico Minali
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.03.28 10:38:00 - [53]
 

Reading stuff about pve and anomolies...Attempting to care.... No, still dont care about pve.

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.28 11:47:00 - [54]
 

people lived in crap true systems before ccp went on a :sperg: lets make every one equal **** idea.

every one isn't equal so stop the qq plx Mad

Hei'di
Amarr
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.28 12:11:00 - [55]
 

don't be afraid my beloved grunts!
that's the only 0.0 change upcoming so u should be more than happy. everything beyond that
prolly won't pass any meeting of the paper tiger aka csm especially with the guys in it.
so in the end there will be fewer proper anomalies and everything else remains the same, that's
definately what i call a massive change in the 0.0 environment.

cheers

FlameGlow
Caldari
Avalon Guards
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2011.03.28 12:31:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Armeggeda iscariah
* Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec

this made me laugh Rolling Eyes


They said the same about dominion, because you know, grinding hundred million EHP of sov structures for weeks is really friendly to new alliancesRolling Eyes
Same anoms everywhere may remove one of reasons for conflict, but it sure makes a lot more of 0.0 worth living in, instead of just sticking to lvl 4s in empire.

Heptameron
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.28 13:34:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Delinquent00
I think more and more NC are starting to hate themselves. When will they realize they are so hated? ;p


I hate myself so much I spank my monkey every night... I tried choking my chicken but just wasn't the same.

Zaber Xavier
Caldari
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.03.28 16:25:00 - [58]
 

guys yall are dumber then i thought or tyall are rping soo hard that yall do not want too see the truth. Who gives a fly **** about the ****ing sanctiums its the ****ing lag we really want them too fix they have had how many times too fix it and they keep dodging the issue by bringing more new crap out well **** the new crap and fix the ****ing lag if a node cant with stand the fights like the drf and nc has been having then we do not need anymore ****ing new **** just to hide the lack of concern for the problem at hand so all you rping pieces of ****s wake the **** up and smell the ****ing coffee damn yall

m3rb3aSt
Minmatar
Advanced Component Research Enterprise
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.28 17:26:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Zaber Xavier
guys yall are dumber then i thought or tyall are rping soo hard that yall do not want too see the truth. Who gives a fly **** about the ****ing sanctiums its the ****ing lag we really want them too fix they have had how many times too fix it and they keep dodging the issue by bringing more new crap out well **** the new crap and fix the ****ing lag if a node cant with stand the fights like the drf and nc has been having then we do not need anymore ****ing new **** just to hide the lack of concern for the problem at hand so all you rping pieces of ****s wake the **** up and smell the ****ing coffee damn yall


Wow you type like a ******.

Also here is a decent solution. Keep it the same and just add new anomalies to -.8 and better systems. They would be like sanctums but even tougher with more high end BSes. Maybe even add ELITE BATTLESHIP NPCS!!

That way no one gets the shaft, everyone is happy, and really good space is now actually worth fighting for!

Myz Toyou
Minmatar
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2011.03.28 17:47:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: m3rb3aSt


Wow you type like a ******.

Also here is a decent solution. Keep it the same and just add new anomalies to -.8 and better systems. They would be like sanctums but even tougher with more high end BSes. Maybe even add ELITE BATTLESHIP NPCS!!

That way no one gets the shaft, everyone is happy, and really good space is now actually worth fighting for!


The new CSM line up will also force CCP to spawn Officers every 60min in every belt because the current system is unfair Evil or Very Mad


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