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Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Posted - 2011.04.06 10:02:00 - [2911]
 

Edited by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit on 06/04/2011 12:23:17
Edited by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit on 06/04/2011 10:05:21
You're wrong man, i'am a stupid carebear and a sanctum gives 500M / hour.

So please use my numbers and recalculate.

Edit 98 pages.... well this patch affects a few people, i don't see a 98 pages topic to welcome the incursions or something else.

Edit number 2 : did i say 500M/H i was wrong it's 2B/H

Jenny d'Orrin
Posted - 2011.04.06 10:05:00 - [2912]
 

Edited by: Jenny d''Orrin on 06/04/2011 10:07:50
I can't believe Liang is actually still talking to you nublets.


If your only reason to want anoms is "cuz it's everyman's FAIR income" then I have news for you: Life/eve isn't and isn't supposed to be.

Good points were made about how the current system allows for a great deal of control, but none of the players demanded it from their CEO for years. Rolling Eyes
And most of the CEO's in EvE know nothing about business or corporate governance.

The only voice or vote you, the grunts, have that counts, is the one with your feet. Don't like current mechanics? Leave. Don't like current leadership? Leave. Don't like current distribution? Leave.

Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Posted - 2011.04.06 10:07:00 - [2913]
 

Originally by: Jenny d'Orrin
I can't believe Liang is actually still talking to you nublets.


If your only reason to want anoms is "cuz it's everyman's FAIR income" then I have news for you: Life/eve isn't and isn't supposed to be.

Good points were made about how the current system allows for a great deal of control, but none of the players demand it from their CEO/fellow players. Rolling Eyes


I just can LOL on that... What does " life " is doing here ?

Jenny d'Orrin
Posted - 2011.04.06 10:09:00 - [2914]
 

Edited by: Jenny d''Orrin on 06/04/2011 10:11:11
Role-playing game -> Life simulator?

Ohsnap.



It's no coincidence that the people actually making the valid points have some level of market/corporate-insight. While the grunts are still the ones whining here about how it all just isn't fair and those top 10% make too much ISK in accordance to their measly pay. Seems "real" enough to me :)

Tia Langs
Obscure Ops
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.04.06 10:59:00 - [2915]
 

98 pages and Greyscale still think this is the best idea after sliced bread :(

nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:09:00 - [2916]
 

Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 11:12:54

98 pages of bull**** whine and counterwhine does mean nothing.
Its still CCPs game. I respect them doing this step despite of ****ed carebears across the half of eve's 0.0, but there are things which have to be done.

Karin Habibi
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:20:00 - [2917]
 

you honestly think nerfing anomolies will make it easier for a n00b alliance/corp to take space in nullsec??? hahaha where in the blazes is a n00b corp going to get the 14 titans and 23 motherships needed to take a system? as well as the forty-lebben dozen bs's and below....

CCP, if you want ppl to take space, make space easier to take!

Civire Dissension
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:39:00 - [2918]
 




It wasn't a personal insult. It's simply a fact - if people stand around doing nothing about social injustices because they're too lazy... they're cattle.

-Liang

So, tell me, Liang, what do we call someone who tells us cattle how happy we should be to be going to the slaughterhouse??
Fulla Bull sounds like a good start...

Civire Dissension
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:43:00 - [2919]
 

Edited by: Civire Dissension on 06/04/2011 11:44:34
Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Edited by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit on 06/04/2011 10:05:21
You're wrong man, i'am a stupid carebear and a sanctum gives 500M / hour.

So please use my numbers and recalculate.


I'm a stupid nullseccer and i been running these things since they came out. will you PLEASE come out here and show me wtf i am doing wrong?? best i have EVER done is a 15mill wallet tick, and that was with a faction spawn.

really, who fed you that stuff, and why do you like the flavor so much? better to fertilize the back 40 with it.

Levistus Junior
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:44:00 - [2920]
 

Edited by: Levistus Junior on 06/04/2011 11:44:36
Originally by: nano bobcat
Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 11:12:54

98 pages of bull**** whine and counterwhine does mean nothing.
Its still CCPs game. I respect them doing this step despite of ****ed carebears across the half of eve's 0.0, but there are things which have to be done.


I'd be willing to give CCP much more leeway with this 'we know what's best, trust us, it will be cool in the end' approach if they had't proven their lack of understanding of their own game mechanics and a 'promise a lot, deliver little, move to the next shiny features and don't talk of it ever again' mentality in pretty much every expansion after Apocrypha.

CCP has made so many stupid moves that it's entirely understandable that most people would suppose any given move is stupid until proven otherwise.

Antigue
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:44:00 - [2921]
 

Originally by: nano bobcat
Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 11:12:54

98 pages of bull**** whine and counterwhine does mean nothing.
Its still CCPs game. I respect them doing this step despite of ****ed carebears across the half of eve's 0.0, but there are things which have to be done.



Basically all you are saying is that you are more pr0 then most nullsec inhabitants.

But then look who is talking:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=nano+bobcat

You are terrible. Seriously, EvE doesnīt want you. No matter if this is your main or just an alt and youīre not having the balls to post with your main.

Take that Liang guy with you that is so much informed about nullsec that he never heard about awoxers.

Oh LostinSpace also belongs to you guys, as he is so pr0 that he even doesnīt know how much isk can be made an hour in a sanctum while still pretending to have any clue about life in nullsec.

So go away. You are simply terrible. Us donīt want you.



Lost'In'Space
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:47:00 - [2922]
 

Edited by: Lost''In''Space on 06/04/2011 11:51:23
Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Edit 98 pages.... well this patch affects a few people, i don't see a 98 pages topic to welcome the incursions or something else.


I don't see 98 pages to the dominion expansion when they introduced this 0.0 upgradable anomaly, so, what's your point?

Originally by: Tia Langs
98 pages and Greyscale still think this is the best idea


that's because it is

Originally by: Jenny d'Orrin
I can't believe Liang is actually still talking to you nublets.

Yeah, I can't believe it either, even after some personal insults

Originally by: Antigue
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=nano+bobcat

You are terrible.


OH WOW, KILLBOARD STATS

Aren't you the same guy who picked on someone and said all his kills were in low-sec and accused others are failing to read killboard, when that person had his last kills in 0.0?

You seemed bitter, did they crush your isk farming ability? are your systems in -0.0 to -0.245 now?

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:50:00 - [2923]
 

CCP are you actually going to say ANYTHING on this?

Nearly 100 pages on this and all we get "oops this isnt popular, well look into it" post and then all you do is sweep it under the carpet and carry on.

Antigue
Posted - 2011.04.06 11:50:00 - [2924]
 

Originally by: Lost'In'Space
Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Edit 98 pages.... well this patch affects a few people, i don't see a 98 pages topic to welcome the incursions or something else.


I don't see 98 pages to the dominion expansion when they introduced this 0.0 upgradable anomaly, so, what's your point?

Originally by: Tia Langs
98 pages and Greyscale still think this is the best idea


that's because it is

Originally by: Jenny d'Orrin
I can't believe Liang is actually still talking to you nublets.

Yeah, I can't believe it either, even after some personal insults


Would you guys just stop glorifying yourself with alt chars?
Show me killboards and I will take you serious (maybe).
Other then that itīs just a troll.

nano bobcat
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:00:00 - [2925]
 

Originally by: Antigue

Would you guys just stop glorifying yourself with alt chars?
Show me killboards and I will take you serious (maybe).
Other then that itīs just a troll.

so, this is my KB: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Mark+Hadden
this means, im more pro than you and you should STFU, right?

Levistus Junior
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:01:00 - [2926]
 

Originally by: Lost'In'Space


I don't see 98 pages to the dominion expansion when they introduced this 0.0 upgradable anomaly, so, what's your point?




There weren't any abut that subject specifically because it was overshadowed by other more important matters.
Do I need to remember you of the threadnaughts asking for Nozh's head after attempting to revert the supercap rebalance or the endless discussions about the new sov mechanics?

Triksia Bonsol
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:03:00 - [2927]
 

Edited by: Triksia Bonsol on 06/04/2011 12:03:29
I spent some time, to help you with translation of this "soul-scream", origin message in russian:
Originally by: eye RZ
Мне вот интересно, сотрудники ССР работают на чистом энтузиазме что ли? Или может ваши учредители не в курсе, чем вы там занимаетесь? Чтобы набрать 10кк и больше подписчиков вам надо упрощать игру, а не усложнять её как сейчас. Вы должны понимать, что большинство игроков на планете Земля - карибасы (ПВЕ-шники), им не нужны постоянные войны за что-либо. Придумайте уже что-то новенькое, а то опять очередной бред.

Извините за русский.

З.Ы. Любителям пострелять: больше карибасов - больше целей, надеюсь вы это понимаете.


and how I can translate this (my additions/comments marked italic)

"I am really interested of what for the CCP Hf employees are working for - is it row enthusiasm ? Or may be CCP shareholders (owners) doesn't know anything about what are you doing there ?
If you want to acquire more subscribers (for example your management have the goal to get the total count of 10 millions somewhere) - you do not need to make game-playing harder (not difficult but hard) - you need to make the PLAYING game easy (remember blog "little things stay little"). You should know (always remember) that the most of players are care-bears (not members of claim-holders/renters/PvP alliances who do not need in personal income - all the need for fighting - they can simply get in hangars and reimbursements after operations/CTA). They really don't need constant wars (do not care about any invasions and re-capturing space). Better make something really new, not like this another nonsense.

Sorry for Russian language (sorry for not so good English)

Post Scriptum.
To those who like to shoot: more care-bears/npc-hunters more targets, I wish you can understand this"

P.S. from me
CCP did not understand how much part of their subscribers who are NOT using bots or macros, and simply trying to play interesting MMORPG game for only 1-3 hours a day to get some ISK to spent them to fun and they simply did not post at this forum because of they can't speak/write English here (but may at Russian/French/Deutsch)

Antigue
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:03:00 - [2928]
 

Originally by: Lost'In'Space
OH WOW, KILLBOARD STATS

Aren't you the same guy who picked on someone and said all his kills were in low-sec and accused others are failing to read killboard, when that person had his last kills in 0.0?

You seemed bitter, did they crush your isk farming ability? are your systems in -0.0 to -0.245 now?


You are so clueless that it is almost lovely again sweetheart.

Some people can read killboards. So they know more then just some stats. Weird, isnīt it?

So maybe your misinterpretation "OH WOW KILLBOARD STATS" may result from a little lack of knowledge?

I challenge you to join a nullsec corp and start learning before you make yourself look stupid on forums mate.

Lost'In'Space
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:04:00 - [2929]
 

Edited by: Lost''In''Space on 06/04/2011 12:07:11
Originally by: Levistus Junior
Do I need to remember you of the threadnaughts asking for Nozh's head after attempting to revert the supercap rebalance or the endless discussions about the new sov mechanics?

Yes

P.S. No, I am not an alt of anyone whom I tried to "glorify"

Levistus Junior
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:09:00 - [2930]
 

Originally by: Lost'In'Space
Edited by: Lost''In''Space on 06/04/2011 12:07:11
Originally by: Levistus Junior
Do I need to remember you of the threadnaughts asking for Nozh's head after attempting to revert the supercap rebalance or the endless discussions about the new sov mechanics?

Yes

P.S. No, I am not an alt of anyone whom I tried to "glorify"


Dominion related treadnaught:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1217073

Antigue
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:09:00 - [2931]
 

Originally by: nano bobcat

so, this is my KB: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Mark+Hadden
this means, im more pro than you and you should STFU, right?


Nope that means you should post with your main char and not pretend to be someone you might not be.
Then we could see if you are living in nullsec and got nullsec experience.
Then we can propperly discuss nullsec issues.
So got nothing to do with stats.
Got it now?

Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:13:00 - [2932]
 

Please remember that we are here to make a game that you all love to play. None of us comes to work thinking of ways to enrage the playerbase. As the Lead Game Designer, I take my responsibility seriously and that includes taking responsibility for any decisions made by our team. To me, EVE is much more than a job, it’s something I’m passionate about constantly improving. I promise you I want EVE to thrive just as much as you do.


Thanks for listening
CCP Hammerhead
Lead Game Designer

Well times are changing ....

Myz Toyou
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:16:00 - [2933]
 


Danastar
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:17:00 - [2934]
 

Originally by: Civire Dissension
Edited by: Civire Dissension on 06/04/2011 11:44:34
Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Edited by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit on 06/04/2011 10:05:21
You're wrong man, i'am a stupid carebear and a sanctum gives 500M / hour.

So please use my numbers and recalculate.


I'm a stupid nullseccer and i been running these things since they came out. will you PLEASE come out here and show me wtf i am doing wrong?? best i have EVER done is a 15mill wallet tick, and that was with a faction spawn.

really, who fed you that stuff, and why do you like the flavor so much? better to fertilize the back 40 with it.



just for informaton:

Angel Sanctums/Havens have 1.1/1.2 mil BS

using 1 thanatos, you'll get abt 60-90 mil/h. Depends on how lazy you are and if you have fast access to free anoms

2 thanatoses will get you in 90-120 mil/h range

1 thanny + nyx and you are in 120-150 mil/h range

2 nyxes equals 150-180 mil/h

Good combo is thanny + machariel also, but havent tried it as it requires more efforts and control.

These numbers, again, are for Angel anomalies and with 10% corp tax. Ratting in Pure Blind for instance will get you less isk/h ratio as the BS there have worse bounty.

Iago TwoHeart
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:19:00 - [2935]
 

DAMN YOU CCP!!!
I ONLY JUST STARTED PLAYING IN THE LATE PART OF LAST YEAR. LIKE OCTOBER/NOVEMBER.
I'VE TRIED A LOT OF STUFF SINCE I GOT HERE.
I'VE ONLY JUST JOINED A 0.0 CORP.
THE RATS ARE BOUNTIFUL.
AFTER SPENDING OVER 250 QUID TO PLAY THUS FAR AND FUEL MY ADDICTION FOR PAIN(SARCASM!!!!)
NOW I FIND THAT EVERYONE IS UNHAPPY CAUSE OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO TO OUR STOMPING GROUNDS.
YOU WANT MORE CONFLICT? GET THE RATS TO FIGHT EACH OTHER YOU GITS.
CAUSE I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK I'M RESUBSCRIBING AFTER THIS MONTH IF THE COUNTLESS RICHES I WAS PROMISED BY MY RECRUITER TURN OUT TO BE, WELL, THERE 2 DAYS AGO, NOT AFTER TODAY.

SO, POTENTIALLY YOU LOSE A PASSIONATE PLAYER.

BUT BLEGH.

If you can so easily ignore so many pages of veteran's complaints then what do you care about losing noob blood?

Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:19:00 - [2936]
 

Edited by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit on 06/04/2011 12:20:48
you forgot 1 point :

This numbers are for 1 member as there is not enough valuable anom to farm at 2 people in the same system with 2 caps and chaining anoms....

Edit: and you know that it is really easy to have 1 player by system in eve...

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:23:00 - [2937]
 

Come on everybody, we can't be slacking NOW!!!

There's still a couple hours before the patch goes live so we can get 100 pages of whine to show CCP we care.

Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:25:00 - [2938]
 

Cause you think they care about that ?

They have their goals players have different ones. We are on eve to play they are on eve to earn REAL money.

Torenc
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:27:00 - [2939]
 

it is posible atleast was. chanin with 2 chars 1 system. And gived good amiunt off isk to fast recover from battles, but now that wil end wie agein wil see less battles. Pilots in small ainces wioth dont have reinbursments wil fight less then befor or bring high sec alts alts out to empire to farm missions.

This days was 1 hour almost 1 BS if you farm with 2 chars and atleast tengu or carrer, ader hour interceptor plus fiting, and fiting for BS.

Now if agein wil need belt rating that wil take 4-5 hours to gain the same so les time for battles, ccp calcualtions its wrong they not looking from isk/h but looking over all and that wrong.

Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.04.06 12:27:00 - [2940]
 

Originally by: Bill Andrex
This is a stupid change on behalf of CCP. CCP Greyscale might be happy at the changes over his morning coffee, but us players are certainly not happy at the changes proposed.

The current system is fine, it works well and does what it intended. Now we are moving to a system that works well but doesn't do what it intended in the first place. The idea was to spread people about in nullsec so that systems could sustain a higher 0.0 population.

CCP have now gone ahead and shot that idea in the foot. It will now be harder for newer up and coming Alliances to carve out a living in 0.0. It won't effect existing 0.0 Alliances as they make their ISK from moon goo, all CCP you have done here is gimp the little guy who is trying to make a living.

The little guy is going to spend less time in fleets and more time trying to scratch out a living to make a little ISK to replace his losses. Why take away the incentive for people to move from empire to 0.0?

CCP you have dropped the ball here. Evil or Very Mad


thats you ? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Bill+Andrex#kills

looks like you are pvp ing 1 a week and look at your losses ... if you cant replace that .. then hope is lost


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