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Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.04.04 17:58:00 - [2701]
 

Originally by: Trina Forrest
Originally by: Liang Nuren

You do realize that running sanctums is exactly the wrong way to finance playing Eve this way?

-Liang

Ed: Send me an evemail and I'll outline some basic tips that can let 5-10 minutes twice a week finance your eve playing and as many PVP losses as a competent player is likely to have.


67k? wow our numbers grow with each post truely amazing.
...
This makes the game unique, fun, and interesting.


May I kindly ask what in the **** you are responding to in my post?

-Liang

Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.04.04 17:59:00 - [2702]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Trina Forrest
Originally by: Liang Nuren

You do realize that running sanctums is exactly the wrong way to finance playing Eve this way?

-Liang

Ed: Send me an evemail and I'll outline some basic tips that can let 5-10 minutes twice a week finance your eve playing and as many PVP losses as a competent player is likely to have.


67k? wow our numbers grow with each post truely amazing.
...
This makes the game unique, fun, and interesting.


May I kindly ask what in the **** you are responding to in my post?

-Liang


There's a post about halfway through the page that says something similar to that. I suspect he just hit the quote button on the wrong message.

Vhal Vhindiscar
Posted - 2011.04.04 17:59:00 - [2703]
 

Edited by: Vhal Vhindiscar on 04/04/2011 18:00:08
Can we stage a recall for Greyscale? If only devs were electable.

This is why 0.0 ran en mass for this years CSM. CCP does NOT understand how we live or play. Add my name to the threadnaught as voting 'No Confidence' in ccp.

Nobody fights over anoms. They simply try to squeak out a living using them. Cut the anoms and you cut pvp and totally blow away the reasoning for this entire fiasco. Honestly, log off tanks for awhile and join eve 0.0. We're having a blast out here in SPITE of your meddling.

Orian NiKunni
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:00:00 - [2704]
 

CCP are you even reading this thread?

Trina Forrest
Caldari
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:00:00 - [2705]
 

Liang, I simply hit quote instead of reply.

bp920091
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:03:00 - [2706]
 

On a second note, i would like to wonder why people are so concerned about inflation. Any reasonable economist KNOWS that inflation is not an issue (when it is below 50%, which it is NOWHERE near right now) because people make more and can spend more on items. Inflation is only detrimental to people holding capital, not making capital, as their purchasing power will not decrease by very much. Considering that inflation is roughly 4.1% (page 28 of QEN, with most of the inflation because of the noctis (page 27)) and the population growth rate is roughly 10.59% (page 11 of the QEN), this means that inflation should not be a problem at ALL.

This is a common misconception of people who have not had any experience in economics, yet it seems to cause nothing but grief in most population, including the EVE population.

Elder Man
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:10:00 - [2707]
 

Originally by: bp920091
On a second note, i would like to wonder why people are so concerned about inflation. Any reasonable economist KNOWS that inflation is not an issue (when it is below 50%, which it is NOWHERE near right now) because people make more and can spend more on items. Inflation is only detrimental to people holding capital, not making capital, as their purchasing power will not decrease by very much. Considering that inflation is roughly 4.1% (page 28 of QEN, with most of the inflation because of the noctis (page 27)) and the population growth rate is roughly 10.59% (page 11 of the QEN), this means that inflation should not be a problem at ALL.

This is a common misconception of people who have not had any experience in economics, yet it seems to cause nothing but grief in most population, including the EVE population.



Absolute load of crap. Go back to school and learn something useful. No basis of fact at all.


Elder Man
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:19:00 - [2708]
 



CCP reads the thread. They just don't give a S**t what anyone thinks. They don't play
in 0.0 where you have to fight. If they do, there probably just razor carebears.







bp920091
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:25:00 - [2709]
 

Originally by: Elder Man
Originally by: bp920091
On a second note, i would like to wonder why people are so concerned about inflation. Any reasonable economist KNOWS that inflation is not an issue (when it is below 50%, which it is NOWHERE near right now) because people make more and can spend more on items. Inflation is only detrimental to people holding capital, not making capital, as their purchasing power will not decrease by very much. Considering that inflation is roughly 4.1% (page 28 of QEN, with most of the inflation because of the noctis (page 27)) and the population growth rate is roughly 10.59% (page 11 of the QEN), this means that inflation should not be a problem at ALL.

This is a common misconception of people who have not had any experience in economics, yet it seems to cause nothing but grief in most population, including the EVE population.





Absolute load of crap. Go back to school and learn something useful. No basis of fact at all.




Hmm, considering that i have had 3 economics teachers who have all told me the same thing, with them having doctorates in economics and real life experience, perhaps it is you that really need to "Go back to school and learn something useful."

I will go into more detail about this here, since you obviously do not understand much about inflation.

Inflation essentially means that the purchasing power of money decreases. If the income sources into an economic system were stagnant, or increasing at a lower rate than inflation, then inflation means that people's money has less purchasing power. The only problem with inflation is when it becomes Hyperinflation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation, i know, it is wikipedia, but it does give you the general idea of what hyperinflation is). Considering that the rate that money is coming into the EVE economy is 11% higher (page 18 of QEN), and inflation is below this, isk is actually buying more ships than ever before.

While this may not be true for you, from a Macroeconomics perspective, the EVE economy has no danger from inflation, and inflation will not be an issue until it becomes out of control (>50% per year, and that is being VERY conservative). in fact, this means that the average person can buy roughly 2% more ships than they could before (11% increase in money, 9% increase in people, 11-9 = 2% gain per person, approximately).

If you have other views, please express them and EXPLAIN them, providing general knowledge or cited sources, rather than just dismissing findings that you may not disagree with for seemingly no reason.

Draked
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:26:00 - [2710]
 

Then i guess its back to WOW againCrying or Very sad wonder how ccp will stand WHEN they lose 10000 accounts atleast. Im guessing after about 1-2 months after everyone moved to empire they will realise that its not for them and stop playing all togetherCrying or Very sad

Selpy
Caldari
Penumbra Military Industrial Complex
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:34:00 - [2711]
 

Originally by: bp920091
just throwing these numbers out there, the North has a total population of 19,659 (page 9 of the QEN, this is Characters on Active Accounts). Assuming that the average 0.0 player has 2 accounts (probably more, but im feeling generous), the NC has around 10,000 accounts in it. Oh, and the regions that are considered the north are (Geminate, Vale of the Silent, Tribute, Venal, Branch, and Tenal). So if you take the two fronts that the NC currently has (west and east), you have approx 5,000 accounts per front (simple division by two). Considering the numbers that I see in fleet fights, which are roughly 2000 on high demand operations (LXQ2-T, O2O-2X, and other major fights), this is not anywhere close to the 1% pvp participation rate that you claim. This number may even be higher than 2000, as the NC operates in ALL timezones, so you have to at least double the numbers of people fighting to get an accurate account.

So, what you can take from this is that out of the 10,000 accounts residing in the NC, approx 8,000 are people who pvp (at least part time), giving a participation rate of 80%. Try and do a little bit of research before you throw claims around, all this does is decrease the chance that people will take you seriously.

Oh, if you also want to take a look at the production in 0.0, take a look at page 36 in the QEN, it shows the mass produced in all regions. Factor in the amount of supercarriers and titans produced in 0.0, and the north doesnt look to "carebear" does it?

For those of you wishing to verify my claims yourself, here is the link to the most recent QEN http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf
Any wishes to verify kills or battles can be found on most killboards, such as Battleclinic.com, check for yourself if you do not believe me.



Unfortunately, posting facts is a waste of time. You can have the solid evidence straight from CCP, as it is here, and you'll still get the same comments from the naysayers. They failed at Eve with their playing model, and therefore assume that if you're successful in one way or another, you must be a carebear with 15 active accounts making billions of isk running sanctums.

Note that the majority "0.0 experts" praising these changes tend to be either Empire-dwelling griefers whose idea of PvP is war deccing noobs and blobbing them, or low sec pirates that sit at high sec gates blobbing anyone that comes through. The only 0.0 experience most have is going on the occasional roam in NPC 0.0 where all they do is gank industrial ships and ratters. They really have no more of a clue about 0.0 issues than apparently CCP does.


Skaarl
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:35:00 - [2712]
 

Originally by: Evelgrivion
If you read the latest QEN, it becomes painfully obvious why this sanctum/haven change is being implemented.

Main points:
  • The south is becoming depopulated
  • The monetary supply is increasing dramatically, to the point where even CCP's normally muted QENs are proclaiming doom if something isn't done to fix it - from 67.6 trillion ISK added in Quarter 3 to 75.7 trillion added in Quarter 4. The bulk of this increase comes from nullsec anomaly farming; this increase is substantially greater than the mission payout increases over the same quarter.
  • Supercaps are everywhere, and everyone is buying more capitals
  • The tonnage of ships in demand per capita has been decreasing substantially over the last six months. This means people aren't dying and replacing their ships nearly as much as before.


Too much money means too many people get along. This can be seen in everything from the ever growing urbanization of trade hubs to the aforementioned drops in demand for ships. Eve needs more conflict, and Greyscale looks like he's on the money with this change to address it.


errmmmm.... and 11% increase in bounty payout and a 9% increase in subscriptions over the same period. thats not that much of an actual increase. and a 3% increase in the amount of mission rewards means that of the 2% difference between population growth and income growth is actually accounted for in part by you guessed it, bounties from missions.

however once again, CCP greyidiots changes that are upcoming have nothing to do with inflation, the economy or the number of people running anoms in 0.0. they are to generate more conflict to get people to attack "better" space for their ratting. its a non-sensical argument that pretty much everyone outside of the scrapheap challenge l33t 13 year olds recognize as being a bogus claim.

Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:41:00 - [2713]
 

Originally by: bp920091
Originally by: Lt Pizi
im talkin about chars , you accounts prolly

but is 5% of the accounts fighting realy better ?



just throwing these numbers out there, the North has a total population of 19,659


you forgot to mention your 23k blues in the west, hth

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:41:00 - [2714]
 

Originally by: bp920091
Originally by: Elder Man
Originally by: bp920091
On a second note, i would like to wonder why people are so concerned about inflation. Any reasonable economist KNOWS that inflation is not an issue (when it is below 50%, which it is NOWHERE near right now) because people make more and can spend more on items. Inflation is only detrimental to people holding capital, not making capital, as their purchasing power will not decrease by very much. Considering that inflation is roughly 4.1% (page 28 of QEN, with most of the inflation because of the noctis (page 27)) and the population growth rate is roughly 10.59% (page 11 of the QEN), this means that inflation should not be a problem at ALL.

This is a common misconception of people who have not had any experience in economics, yet it seems to cause nothing but grief in most population, including the EVE population.





Absolute load of crap. Go back to school and learn something useful. No basis of fact at all.




Hmm, considering that i have had 3 economics teachers who have all told me the same thing, with them having doctorates in economics and real life experience, perhaps it is you that really need to "Go back to school and learn something useful."

I will go into more detail about this here, since you obviously do not understand much about inflation.

Inflation essentially means that the purchasing power of money decreases. If the income sources into an economic system were stagnant, or increasing at a lower rate than inflation, then inflation means that people's money has less purchasing power. The only problem with inflation is when it becomes Hyperinflation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation, i know, it is wikipedia, but it does give you the general idea of what hyperinflation is). Considering that the rate that money is coming into the EVE economy is 11% higher (page 18 of QEN), and inflation is below this, isk is actually buying more ships than ever before.

While this may not be true for you, from a Macroeconomics perspective, the EVE economy has no danger from inflation, and inflation will not be an issue until it becomes out of control (>50% per year, and that is being VERY conservative). in fact, this means that the average person can buy roughly 2% more ships than they could before (11% increase in money, 9% increase in people, 11-9 = 2% gain per person, approximately).

If you have other views, please express them and EXPLAIN them, providing general knowledge or cited sources, rather than just dismissing findings that you may not disagree with for seemingly no reason.


Might I enquire how the Noctis produces inflation?

Imouto Tan
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:44:00 - [2715]
 

Edited by: Imouto Tan on 04/04/2011 18:45:52
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: RabbidFerret
Originally by: Imouto Tan

Maxed with all relevant skills, mid-tier deaspace fit tengu, missile implants, I make about 25m ticks (75m/h) in Sanctums. (What some in this thread refer to as "blizting + nicely fitted gankboat, abundant skillset and intensive in game focus.")
Think I can replace a 1.5-2B carrier in 2 to 3 hours?
Hell, most nullsec grunts can't even do what I do. So what, if you can't PLEX your way into a maxed tengu toon a 1.5B HAM tengu, don't go into nullsec?

The point is that Sanctums are already barely comparable to L4's, and anything below sanctums is significantly less. What CCP proposes is to thus make sure that empirebears have all the isk, because nullbears are now even LESS able to make isk by comparison, and are more likely to lose it.

So, yes Lost'In'Space, he doesn't want to grind. He doesn't want to grind because
1) For the Nth time, Level 4's give a lot of ISK, and only sanctum COMPARES to it. Not even beats it by any reasonable margin, just merely holds up to comparison. Anything below, and you're better off with L4's.
2) 0.0 has more ISK sinks.
3) Go [explitive] yourself.

-1/10 troll


This is the most constructive comment I've seen so far.


Except that, like most of the blatant liars in this thread, he's completely handwaving away the 10/10 escalations and faction spawns that appear in anomalies. Which, when I was doing them fairly casually last summer, were good for an extra bill a week or so


10/10 escalations have no sustainability. How many people get them a week? And generally these are the guys who sanctum enough every day for it to be a 9-5 job. In a small two-constellation area -- and I know most of the avid ratters in my alliance -- there's 0-2 a week, TOPS. Depending on your space, you need a high skill, 1-3B tengu to be 10/10 solo-capable with any reliability. There's also the matter that it is almost in someone else's space on the other side of the region.

Faction spawns? Faction spawns' quality and quantity both depend on trusec(belts)/type(anom). Bad trusec systems already see crappy faction spawns in belts and have them far more rare than good trusec systems. Now there's no sanctums and havens in those systems either, so even the faction spawn at the end of an anom (which happens for me about once every ~15-20, sometimes more, anoms) can only be a BC with nary a drop?

I live in null too, I've been doing 10/10s occasionally for isk too, but guess what, soloing 10/10s for isk is the exception, not the rule.

So let me explain how this works:
- Bad trusec systems will now be TRULY BAD (superbad, terribad, incredibad, strongbad). Small alliance pilots will be severely handicapped. They won't ever lose space (protection from Big Brother, because BFFs unless drama causes reset), nor will it be worth it for other small alliances to try to take it.
- Sov Wars will still be fueled by lulz, great justice, and INTERNET HAET. And moons, apparently some people find that important. Wink
- Assuming CCP's implication that alliances (read: not the pilots) are funded by anoms is true, this will cause small alliances to flock to coalitions for moon access, and reciprocate with tighter relationships and more x's. Tl;dr stronger coalitions.
- Assuming the implication isn't true, there won't be changes to alliances. Non-sov PVP will be scaled down in all manners -- frequency, size of engagements, variations in fleets -- to reflect the vast majority of grunts' thinner wallets.
- Empirebears will be even richer, because they will make isk easier on average but without having to toss ships into a meatgrinder. Think Hulkageddon or those solo-sleipnir gankers are an isk sink? They're not.

Whether cloakers would be necessarily more dangerous is debatable. I don't like them as is, but I can't think of a way to nerf them without severely impacting solo pvp and wulfpax negatively.
Anyhow, I guess that isn't a topic for this discussion.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:44:00 - [2716]
 

Originally by: Selpy
Originally by: bp920091
just throwing these numbers out there, the North has a total population of 19,659 (page 9 of the QEN, this is Characters on Active Accounts). Assuming that the average 0.0 player has 2 accounts (probably more, but im feeling generous), the NC has around 10,000 accounts in it. Oh, and the regions that are considered the north are (Geminate, Vale of the Silent, Tribute, Venal, Branch, and Tenal). So if you take the two fronts that the NC currently has (west and east), you have approx 5,000 accounts per front (simple division by two). Considering the numbers that I see in fleet fights, which are roughly 2000 on high demand operations (LXQ2-T, O2O-2X, and other major fights), this is not anywhere close to the 1% pvp participation rate that you claim. This number may even be higher than 2000, as the NC operates in ALL timezones, so you have to at least double the numbers of people fighting to get an accurate account.

So, what you can take from this is that out of the 10,000 accounts residing in the NC, approx 8,000 are people who pvp (at least part time), giving a participation rate of 80%. Try and do a little bit of research before you throw claims around, all this does is decrease the chance that people will take you seriously.

Oh, if you also want to take a look at the production in 0.0, take a look at page 36 in the QEN, it shows the mass produced in all regions. Factor in the amount of supercarriers and titans produced in 0.0, and the north doesnt look to "carebear" does it?

For those of you wishing to verify my claims yourself, here is the link to the most recent QEN http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf
Any wishes to verify kills or battles can be found on most killboards, such as Battleclinic.com, check for yourself if you do not believe me.



Unfortunately, posting facts is a waste of time. You can have the solid evidence straight from CCP, as it is here, and you'll still get the same comments from the naysayers. They failed at Eve with their playing model, and therefore assume that if you're successful in one way or another, you must be a carebear with 15 active accounts making billions of isk running sanctums.

Note that the majority "0.0 experts" praising these changes tend to be either Empire-dwelling griefers whose idea of PvP is war deccing noobs and blobbing them, or low sec pirates that sit at high sec gates blobbing anyone that comes through. The only 0.0 experience most have is going on the occasional roam in NPC 0.0 where all they do is gank industrial ships and ratters. They really have no more of a clue about 0.0 issues than apparently CCP does.




Oh the humor in saying that people OUTSIDE of 0.0 are all blobbers.

R O F L

BTW, get your alliance to start fielding ships for its CTA's. TADA, no problem anymore. No more tears. No more whining. Moon goo = cta fleet ships.

Though, please, send your PVP nub-tastic, blobbing, talentless, whiny piece of sh*t player base (you know 90% of nullsec) back to empire so that the orphanage can gank all of you r*tards. Twisted EvilTwisted Evil

Jeralin
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:49:00 - [2717]
 

91 pages of replys, and it's still in the patch notes.


Clearly CCP couldn't give a **** what their subscriber base thinks.


CCP Fail cascade imminent?

Trina Forrest
Caldari
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:52:00 - [2718]
 

I love how more trolls continue to say this will impact the NC, with its 10000000000000 care bears, truth is it wont. Well step up our reimbursement program, well continue to dominate, and this just impacts the small guys.

This actually benefits the big alliances, we already have plans to adapt and things are in motion so the majority of our alliance members will not be impacted. What this will do is prevent any small guys, like the orphans, from ever being able to compete. Yes go grind your level 4s to come out to 0.0 only to realize you were better off in high sec?

This will not promote great wars, this will not reduce super caps being built (that are used for pvp). No... CCP did give everyone who upgraded their systems a big **** you which was kind of halarious, but in the end yes this will screw the little pvpers.

and btw noctus does not increase inflation, in economics a good which is traded for currency and is not a currency in of its self can not contribute to inflation, currently all noctic's hope to help with the hyper rise in the cost of minerals, but if you don't understand the first principles of economics then this was all useless rofl.

Imouto Tan
Posted - 2011.04.04 18:57:00 - [2719]
 

Originally by: Jeralin
91 pages of replys, and it's still in the patch notes.


Clearly CCP couldn't give a **** what their subscriber base thinks.


CCP Fail cascade imminent?


In the end, no. Every MMOG is, at its core, based on the addiction model of sales. Which means no significant enough portion of playerbase will unsub to affect CCP, and thus CCP won't care.

Also, if you look at CCP's history there is a certain... pride, at stake in everything they say or make. They don't ever change their minds about something unless such absolutely overwhelming evidence is slammed so repeatedly into their faces that they can't help but finally go back on it...
... and come out with something equally stupid the next day.
Even when they fix an issue, they like to do it in such a way that seems to say "fine, we'll change it, but it's not like any of us were at fault anyway."

Like a 5 year old, they consider their changes GOOD in the isolated universe they dreamt up in their mind that doesn't actually model or reflect reality.
Also like a 5 year old, they are stubborn and hate to be wrong, and thus are more likely to stick their guns if you call them out for being stupid.

Sascha87
Gallente
Out-of-Space
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:00:00 - [2720]
 

Edited by: Sascha87 on 04/04/2011 19:04:29
it's so sad , that no one frome ccp , give a answere to this thread !

i started a petition , i was asking : what will happend with our i-hubs and our military lvl 5 , if we dont get any sanctums and heavens ,.

the answere was : we cant tell you informations about the patch , read the forum ,.

so the changes are classified as : TOP SECRET

[EDIT]
I have no idea if its alowed , but i post the petition answere now !
It is in German , so the ppl can translate it via google , and the german ppl here can have some fun ,

Quote:
Hallo,

Leider können wir Ihnen hier keine weitergehenden Informationen zukommen lassen. Wir wissen ebenfalls nur das was in dem erwähnten Dev Blog steht. Und selbst wenn wir mehr wüßten dürften wir dies nicht weitergeben. Halten Sie sich bitte an unsere Homepage und unser Forum um immer auf dem neusten Stand zu sein.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
GM Ochlavita
EVE Online Kundendienst

bp920091
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:01:00 - [2721]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: bp920091
Originally by: Elder Man
Originally by: bp920091
On a second note, i would like to wonder why people are so concerned about inflation. Any reasonable economist KNOWS that inflation is not an issue (when it is below 50%, which it is NOWHERE near right now) because people make more and can spend more on items. Inflation is only detrimental to people holding capital, not making capital, as their purchasing power will not decrease by very much. Considering that inflation is roughly 4.1% (page 28 of QEN, with most of the inflation because of the noctis (page 27)) and the population growth rate is roughly 10.59% (page 11 of the QEN), this means that inflation should not be a problem at ALL.

This is a common misconception of people who have not had any experience in economics, yet it seems to cause nothing but grief in most population, including the EVE population.





Absolute load of crap. Go back to school and learn something useful. No basis of fact at all.




Hmm, considering that i have had 3 economics teachers who have all told me the same thing, with them having doctorates in economics and real life experience, perhaps it is you that really need to "Go back to school and learn something useful."

I will go into more detail about this here, since you obviously do not understand much about inflation.

Inflation essentially means that the purchasing power of money decreases. If the income sources into an economic system were stagnant, or increasing at a lower rate than inflation, then inflation means that people's money has less purchasing power. The only problem with inflation is when it becomes Hyperinflation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation, i know, it is wikipedia, but it does give you the general idea of what hyperinflation is). Considering that the rate that money is coming into the EVE economy is 11% higher (page 18 of QEN), and inflation is below this, isk is actually buying more ships than ever before.

While this may not be true for you, from a Macroeconomics perspective, the EVE economy has no danger from inflation, and inflation will not be an issue until it becomes out of control (>50% per year, and that is being VERY conservative). in fact, this means that the average person can buy roughly 2% more ships than they could before (11% increase in money, 9% increase in people, 11-9 = 2% gain per person, approximately).

If you have other views, please express them and EXPLAIN them, providing general knowledge or cited sources, rather than just dismissing findings that you may not disagree with for seemingly no reason.


Might I enquire how the Noctis produces inflation?


Of course, the noctis produces (not sure if that is the right word, but we will go with it) inflation because of the incredibly large amount of isk and minerals sunk into the production of the noctis (page 25), dramatically increasing the value of said minerals. If minerals are increasing in price due to a new ship that is created, (and 54,509 is a large number of ships (page 25), the isk value of these minerals will increase, due to there being the same amount of supply (roughly), which will increase the amount of inflation (as inflation means that isk has less purchasing power).

Some data about how many minerals were used in production of the noctis in quarter 4 is as follows.
Isogen, 3M units
Mexallon, 18M units
Pyerite, 58M units
Tritanium, 209M units

Some other interesting information is that about 16% of the "total quantity of Pyerite, Mexallon and isogen used for ship production in the month of december went toward production of the Noctis. The ratio was 14% of tritanium." This is a huge drop in the amount of minerals simply available for production in other items, thus increasing inflation as to buy the same amount of minerals, you have to pay more isk.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:04:00 - [2722]
 

Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 04/04/2011 19:06:43
Originally by: bp920091
If you have other views, please express them and EXPLAIN them, providing general knowledge or cited sources, rather than just dismissing findings that you may not disagree with for seemingly no reason.

If you'd actually have paid attention, you'd have known that ISK per capita has been increasing at around 2-3% PER MONTH the past year, so that would make it between 30-40% annually which is pretty much at the hyperinflation level you mentioned.

And your economics doctorates (the three dirty socks you talk to since you got no friends) can go live in a place with that kind of high inflation, I'm sure it's a paradise of theoretical economics.

Bael Gar
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:09:00 - [2723]
 

Will we get reimbursement for TCU`s, HUB`s and upgrades in 0.1 - 0.2 systems, wich will become absolutely worthless without any top level anomalies?

Just another example when CCP changes the rules AFTER players paid valuable amount of ISK`s for nothing. Previous example was Industry level upgrades. They told us that mining sites will respawn EVERY DAY. We have bought expensive upgrades, spend huge amount of time to rise the industry level, and what?
"We are sorry, we were wrong, you will not get what you paid for! The sites will respawn only each three days. And we are not bothered, that with this rate there are not enought asteroids in a HOLE system, to maintain 5 level of Industry index" (c) CCP

bp920091
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:12:00 - [2724]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: bp920091
If you have other views, please express them and EXPLAIN them, providing general knowledge or cited sources, rather than just dismissing findings that you may not disagree with for seemingly no reason.

If you'd actually have paid attention, you'd have known that inflation per capita has been at around 2-3% PER MONTH the past year, so that would make it between 30-40% annually which is pretty much at the hyperinflation level you mentioned.

And your economics doctorates (the three dirty socks you talk to since you got no friends) can go live in a place with that kind of high inflation, I'm sure it's a paradise of theoretical economics.


You know, i am wondering where you are getting this 2-3% per month value, as i am getting such numbers as a 4.7% increase in the Consumer Price Index in quarter four, which is not bad at all (QEN, 30). If you could, please keep insults and personal attacks to a minimum, I definitely do have RL friends, hence the reason why i do not spend all of my time playing EVE (that, and paying for things like food is rather important). All personal attacks that you make are simply lessening others opinion of you.

Also, i yet to see any real backing to your claims, other than "I said so"

bp920091
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:17:00 - [2725]
 

Originally by: Bael Gar
Will we get reimbursement for TCU`s, HUB`s and upgrades in 0.1 - 0.2 systems, wich will become absolutely worthless without any top level anomalies?

Just another example when CCP changes the rules AFTER players paid valuable amount of ISK`s for nothing. Previous example was Industry level upgrades. They told us that mining sites will respawn EVERY DAY. We have bought expensive upgrades, spend huge amount of time to rise the industry level, and what?
"We are sorry, we were wrong, you will not get what you paid for! The sites will respawn only each three days. And we are not bothered, that with this rate there are not enought asteroids in a HOLE system, to maintain 5 level of Industry index" (c) CCP


I, unfortunately, believe that we will definitely not get any reimbursement for TCUs, IHUBS, or any upgrades. the reasons why follow

1. CCP believes that people will be "happy" to keep running Hubs in systems
2. There have been very few refunds by CCP to alliances (scanning array was one) for any Sovereignty related structure (stations, POSs, IHUBs, and TCus).

I really do wish that CCP at least replied to this thread recently, if nothing else then to ignore us again by saying "Our models predict that XXX will happen."

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:23:00 - [2726]
 

Originally by: Skaarl

errmmmm.... and 11% increase in bounty payout and a 9% increase in subscriptions over the same period. thats not that much of an actual increase.



Actually, that points to a very deep problem indeed - because that 9% increase in subscriptions is full of people who simply don't have the SP necessary to pump ISK into the economy in large scale.

-Liang

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:24:00 - [2727]
 

Originally by: bp920091
Also, i yet to see any real backing to your claims, other than "I said so"

Nope, I'll only say 'I said so' and I'm talking of money supply inflation, not price level inflation.

bloody johnroberts
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:30:00 - [2728]
 

ccp gayscale will not reply to this thread as he has no point to make the last post was a auto response and as such proves point blank his total lack of brain matter.
still theres always auditioning for gnomeo and juliet 2 he might do well

Philana Moon
Posted - 2011.04.04 19:38:00 - [2729]
 

Edited by: Philana Moon on 04/04/2011 20:23:04
Edited by: Philana Moon on 04/04/2011 19:52:31
-1

This patch sucks. Lot of small alliances have no chance to survive. They pay lot of isk to hold 0.0 space. Rest of the money goes to pvp. Most 0.0 space are useless now, Geminate, Insmother,
Cloude Ring, Paragon Soul, Providence, Pure Blind, large part of Scalding Pass, Tribute. The biggest winner are the drone
russians and goonswarm federation at deklein.

So CCP Greyscale you're a russian or old goonie?


if you think, that the players have to much money. Cancel the ship insurance, decrease the mission reward at 20%, lower the drop rate at officer and death space items. Cancel the moon gold ****. NC has over 120 tech moons, they make over 1.000b each month for nothing.. 'Ello 'ello 'ello, wot's goin' on ?

if you think that we have to many super capitals, adjust the refining rate at railguns.

But, don't sh*t on small alliances and take them the chance to grow at 0.0

Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.04.04 20:08:00 - [2730]
 

Originally by: Philana Moon
Edited by: Philana Moon on 04/04/2011 19:52:31
-1
. Lot of small alliances have no chance to survive. They pay lot of isk to hold 0.0 space and need the
money to pay rent and/or concord fee. R



pls i beg theee

read this again and tell me whats wrong
i highlighted the parts


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