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Sp3tre ClonEr
Posted - 2011.04.01 23:23:00 - [2251]
 

Lol at Greyscale how did CCP Seergs? (Darius J goon leader) do to get this through?

Monopoly on tech moons
Deklein and its almost all truesec between -0.7 and -1.0
Oh and fix ECCM against npc so if setup correctly its almost impossible to get jammed againt the npc's in deklein.

Did he sell you this in the form of Anti RMT and Anti botting?

If so well played Goons and Darius.

Just shows the only way to get in front in this game is not try and take some useless barren -0.2 0.0 and hope the supercap online crowd doesn't wipe you out in the first week (they will wait until u have gotten setup and spent your isk upgrading the system) but instead join Goons/ Test or the NC.

Seergs = Once a goon always a goon.

P.S
I'm not anti goon, i love watching your antics and having your ex leader get into CCP put on 15kgs then help push this through for you is masterful


bp920091
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.01 23:27:00 - [2252]
 

Originally by: Antigue

So I stick to it:
This has to be a joke coz this much stupidity in one single "idea" is even for CCP way over the edge.





You know, i really hope so, i really do.

However, considering that they have put it in the Feature page, censored it on the facebook page, and have yet to reply to the thread since post 400 (or roughly around there), this leads me to conclude that they are serious about this, which makes me rather sad about the direction this game is going with this update. This is after all, not a small change, whatever CCP thinks about it.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.04.01 23:32:00 - [2253]
 

Originally by: bp920091
Originally by: Antigue

So I stick to it:
This has to be a joke coz this much stupidity in one single "idea" is even for CCP way over the edge.





You know, i really hope so, i really do.

However, considering that they have put it in the Feature page, censored it on the facebook page, and have yet to reply to the thread since post 400 (or roughly around there), this leads me to conclude that they are serious about this, which makes me rather sad about the direction this game is going with this update. This is after all, not a small change, whatever CCP thinks about it.

Nothing is smaller in EVE than the players. At least compared to the devs egos and greed for the RMT revenue they expect.

Antigue
Posted - 2011.04.01 23:39:00 - [2254]
 

Originally by: mkmin
However, considering that they have put it in the Feature page, censored it on the facebook page, and have yet to reply to the thread since post 400 (or roughly around there), this leads me to conclude that they are serious about this, which makes me rather sad about the direction this game is going with this update. This is after all, not a small change, whatever CCP thinks about it.

Nothing is smaller in EVE than the players. At least compared to the devs egos and greed for the RMT revenue they expect.


Consider all the renters alt accounts for cynos, logistics and stuff.
It is not realistic to assume that a huge number of players will leave but it is very realistic to believe that they will not pay for additional accounts that will not serve them any longer.
So even concerning this side of the matter this has to be a joke rather then a well thought plan.

Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.04.01 23:40:00 - [2255]
 

Originally by: bp920091
Originally by: Lt Pizi
A properly fitted Guardian costs anywhere in the region of 120-150M, depending on where you buy it. While many replacement programs cover this ship, most do not cover the whole cost of the ship itself. This means that in order to get into fun enviornments

i agree with that
you should talk with your leaders, because logi ships should always be fully replaced

since you seem to be open minded .. you really should try other aspects of eve to make money , because shooting the same NPCīs over and over again will become booring and you leaving at 1 point anyway


I have talked to my leaders and while they will cover the ship, increaing costs due to warfare and replacing ships en masse (30 guardians does cost a lot to replace) means that only the ship itself can be replaced, no modules/rigs (which can cost a fair amount) is an inevitable change that has to be made for now. i have also tried other ways to make money, yet most of them take longer than i can commit during the average day. During the day, i can put at most an hour or an hour and a half into EVE, and during the weekend, there are too many operations going on that i do wish to take part in, seriously cutting down on the potential to make cash.

While one can argue that Complexes (the ones you have to scan down) do not take a long time, consider the fact that they do take a while to find/scan down/complete, with some of the harder ones (10/10) requiring more than 1 person, with rare exceptions.

Ratting in Sanctums/Havens are ideal for me, as they allow me to essentially make cash when i can, so i can actually pvp in decent ships during times where i can actually get fights. Taking them away for me for no real reason that was explained well (or made sense to any person living in 0.0 for any real time) really decreases my satisfaction and entertainment value with this game, because that is what it is after all, a "Game."


i always tell new players or older if they askme this

DON'T rat for a ship .. rat for something that creates passive income
DON'T sell a plex for a new ship ... buy something with it that generates passive income

this may mean that in the beginning you may fly not the best ships .. but in the long run you are able to afford more and more and don't HAVE to rat
you can do it for fun from time to time but you are not forced to like all the ppl complaining now

i understand that it is easy to just undock warp to a santum kill a few rats and see insta gratification when the wallet flashes
but in the long run its getting old

Casper Kaspersky
Posted - 2011.04.01 23:41:00 - [2256]
 

As many ppl in the beginning of the thread have already pointed out (and no I didnt read 75 pages) this does nothing for 0.0 as a whole. Politics are driven by alliance income for the most part. Which basically means moons. Which in turn means that for the alliance income nothing changes.

These changes only effect the wallets of the individual players and especially the smaller corps and alliances which do not get or get a lot good moons. Which in turn will make them have to turn to other sources for income. That is not inline with having more people live in 0.0 and certainly not more small corps / alliances.

The larger alliances will just continue to live of good moons and the general level of occupance in 0.0 will revert back to before dominion. Large blobs will still be large blobs and small scale pvp will be a lot less since most everyone making isk (be it carebears, pewbears or pvpers after a loss) will move to empire to run missions to replace stuff.

Better get supernodes ready for running the mission hubs. They will need it.

Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.04.01 23:44:00 - [2257]
 

Originally by: Antigue

Consider all the renters alt accounts for cynos, logistics and stuff.
It is not realistic to assume that a huge number of players will leave but it is very realistic to believe that they will not pay for additional accounts that will not serve them any longer.
So even concerning this side of the matter this has to be a joke rather then a well thought plan.


thats why ccp is so great
they do not listen to whiners nor to the threat of loosing a few accounts

they think their game is in "danger" and react
if they are right i dunno but i trust em more then all you armchair devs here

Lonely Island
Posted - 2011.04.01 23:56:00 - [2258]
 

Originally by: Casper Kaspersky
As many ppl in the beginning of the thread have already pointed out (and no I didnt read 75 pages) this does nothing for 0.0 as a whole. Politics are driven by alliance income for the most part. Which basically means moons. Which in turn means that for the alliance income nothing changes.

These changes only effect the wallets of the individual players and especially the smaller corps and alliances which do not get or get a lot good moons. Which in turn will make them have to turn to other sources for income. That is not inline with having more people live in 0.0 and certainly not more small corps / alliances.

The larger alliances will just continue to live of good moons and the general level of occupance in 0.0 will revert back to before dominion. Large blobs will still be large blobs and small scale pvp will be a lot less since most everyone making isk (be it carebears, pewbears or pvpers after a loss) will move to empire to run missions to replace stuff.

Better get supernodes ready for running the mission hubs. They will need it.


With any luck, lvl4s will be severly nerfed in hi-sec to fall into line with the risk/reward scale. Personally I think they should move all combat lvl4s to deep losec.

Joe Null
Posted - 2011.04.01 23:58:00 - [2259]
 

Edited by: Joe Null on 01/04/2011 23:58:10
Quote:

thats why ccp is so great
they do not listen to whiners nor to the threat of loosing a few accounts

they think their game is in "danger" and react
if they are right i dunno but i trust em more then all you armchair devs here



Correct me if I am wrong but dark rising is supposedly a pvp alliance, which has fun (amongst other things I am sure) to go into 0.0 and kill carebears, pewbears and whatever comes in front of their guns.
So how is it in your best interest if there are less ppl in 0.0 unless they are there to blob the living daylight out of you?

And the passive income you talk about is great. But if everyone in eve would be concentrating on that *same* passive income style the profits would be going through rock bottom sooner rather then later.

Zverushka
Posted - 2011.04.01 23:58:00 - [2260]
 

It is so stupid! I only yersterday 1st april paid 1,5bil for rent system with SS 0,112. Thank you CCP, that you said about patch 1st april, thank you. Give me my money back plzzz.
You so good understand 0.0 life and life alliance, you so much know about it, that even cannot make path to 20-28th numbers of month! But you cannot, Because really you don't understand nothing in nullsec life!

Squirrle
Posted - 2011.04.02 00:03:00 - [2261]
 

CCP Grayscales comment (but having a densely populated nullsec is less important to us)

yep but this is a game we play it is important to us null sec will just become another low sec a barren waste land that no one goes to

empire will becoming even more busy there will be less fights as less people in null sec as they will be in high sec farming those lvl 4 missions to pay for their accounts.
if ccp what more fights and less farming then get rid of paying for game time with isk people will then use there isk to by ships and killing stuff

even with lag in the big battles this is fun also when you get roams coming though all that will happen now is people will safe up and not fight also the markets will crash as how much minerals are purchased for replacing all this lost battle ships and cariers in these null sec wars.

ccp have not looked at the bigger picture miners isk will also drop as well people will not be blowing up as many ship

to stop high sec war dec that we be happening more they will just drop back to npc corps meaning this game gets less fun.

as a new palyer it concerns mean that this has just been decided nothing talked about csm not involed very bad

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.04.02 00:03:00 - [2262]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/04/2011 00:07:11
Originally by: Joe Null
Edited by: Joe Null on 01/04/2011 23:58:10
Quote:

thats why ccp is so great
they do not listen to whiners nor to the threat of loosing a few accounts

they think their game is in "danger" and react
if they are right i dunno but i trust em more then all you armchair devs here



Correct me if I am wrong but dark rising is supposedly a pvp alliance, which has fun (amongst other things I am sure) to go into 0.0 and kill carebears, pewbears and whatever comes in front of their guns.
So how is it in your best interest if there are less ppl in 0.0 unless they are there to blob the living daylight out of you?

And the passive income you talk about is great. But if everyone in eve would be concentrating on that *same* passive income style the profits would be going through rock bottom sooner rather then later.


I can reply since I have been in Dark Rising in my most fun times in EvE, including when there was Lt Pizi and others.

At DR they don't go after ratters or miners, they often make roams that go around blow PvPers. As such, removing a bunch of inflation generators is not going to affect DR at all, they are after figthers not after people who are crying because an AFK cloaker DARES to enter the system. Back at the time, an AFK cloaker for DR meant soon there'd be a dead cloaker or pew pew would be had anyway.

While I strongly believe the reasons Greyscale brought are not believable and don't solve 0.0 issues, he's surely going to remove a lot of 0.0 parasites who did not really earn the right to live there.

Casper Kaspersky
Posted - 2011.04.02 00:04:00 - [2263]
 

Originally by: Lonely Island
Originally by: Casper Kaspersky
As many ppl in the beginning of the thread have already pointed out (and no I didnt read 75 pages) this does nothing for 0.0 as a whole. Politics are driven by alliance income for the most part. Which basically means moons. Which in turn means that for the alliance income nothing changes.

These changes only effect the wallets of the individual players and especially the smaller corps and alliances which do not get or get a lot good moons. Which in turn will make them have to turn to other sources for income. That is not inline with having more people live in 0.0 and certainly not more small corps / alliances.

The larger alliances will just continue to live of good moons and the general level of occupance in 0.0 will revert back to before dominion. Large blobs will still be large blobs and small scale pvp will be a lot less since most everyone making isk (be it carebears, pewbears or pvpers after a loss) will move to empire to run missions to replace stuff.

Better get supernodes ready for running the mission hubs. They will need it.


With any luck, lvl4s will be severly nerfed in hi-sec to fall into line with the risk/reward scale. Personally I think they should move all combat lvl4s to deep losec.


Which, as a lot of ppl more eloquent then me have pointed out would just result into ppl running lvl 3 missions. Forcing ppl into lowsec / nulsec doesnt work unless they feel they benefit from it.

But then looking at your corp the first change that would benefit eve would be to forcefully remove everyone from npc corps after say 2-3 months. And maybe even remove (delay) local, outside of highsec. Which would probaly do more to get *good fights* then this.

Joe Null
Posted - 2011.04.02 00:10:00 - [2264]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Joe Null
Edited by: Joe Null on 01/04/2011 23:58:10
Quote:

thats why ccp is so great
they do not listen to whiners nor to the threat of loosing a few accounts

they think their game is in "danger" and react
if they are right i dunno but i trust em more then all you armchair devs here



Correct me if I am wrong but dark rising is supposedly a pvp alliance, which has fun (amongst other things I am sure) to go into 0.0 and kill carebears, pewbears and whatever comes in front of their guns.
So how is it in your best interest if there are less ppl in 0.0 unless they are there to blob the living daylight out of you?

And the passive income you talk about is great. But if everyone in eve would be concentrating on that *same* passive income style the profits would be going through rock bottom sooner rather then later.


I can reply since I have been in Dark Rising in my most fun times in EvE, including when there was Lt Pitzi and others.

At DR they don't go after ratters or miners, they often make roams that go around blow PvPers. As such, removing a bunch of inflation generators is not going to affect DR at all, they are after figthers not after people who are crying because an AFK cloaker DARES to enter the system. Back at the time, an AFK cloaker for DR meant soon there'd be a dead cloaker or pew pew would be had anyway.

While I strongly believe the reasons Greyscale brought are not believable and don't solve 0.0 issues, he's surely going to remove a lot of 0.0 parasites who did not really earn the right to live there.


Well thank you for your answer :)

I've been living in various 0.0 regions over the years on several chars and I will continue doing that, so me personally it doesnt hit to hard. At least for a long while. But in the end people tend to go where they can live. And living means pew, means adventure, means companionship, but also means being able to replace what you lose so you can keep on living. And this change only pushes eve even further to mega alliances and corps and further from small scale fun pvp.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.02 00:11:00 - [2265]
 

Originally by: Ashaai
Despite Greyscale indicating he would open a dialogue with us following the response to his blog, he has completely failed to do so. His follow-up posts were both days ago and completely nonresponsive to the issues raised by players in this thread. Nevertheless, the change still appears in the patch notes for Incursion 1.4 in what I can only assume is a cruel joke being played on us by the devs.

You're getting dismissed cause this thread is nothing but a big QQ with a lot of splerg and rage, not actual reasonable discussion.

Greyscale has already gotten positive feedback from (at least parts) of the CSM and SHC discussion is much in favor.

Skaarl
Posted - 2011.04.02 00:15:00 - [2266]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Ashaai
Despite Greyscale indicating he would open a dialogue with us following the response to his blog, he has completely failed to do so. His follow-up posts were both days ago and completely nonresponsive to the issues raised by players in this thread. Nevertheless, the change still appears in the patch notes for Incursion 1.4 in what I can only assume is a cruel joke being played on us by the devs.

You're getting dismissed cause this thread is nothing but a big QQ with a lot of splerg and rage, not actual reasonable discussion.

Greyscale has already gotten positive feedback from (at least parts) of the CSM and SHC discussion is much in favor.



yes elise randolph and company were the small minority of idiots sperging about how 0.0 is boring so of course SHC is all for this. they were the micro-community that pushed for the bad change to start with.

Mizukage Madara
Posted - 2011.04.02 00:48:00 - [2267]
 

well we are in april month . you know 1 april fool joke ? i think O/ Skaarl

Ashaai
Posted - 2011.04.02 00:56:00 - [2268]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
You're getting dismissed cause this thread is nothing but a big QQ with a lot of splerg and rage, not actual reasonable discussion.

Greyscale has already gotten positive feedback from (at least parts) of the CSM and SHC discussion is much in favor.


I think you misunderstand what dialogue means. There is a lot of splerg and rage here because there has been no discussion. They did not come here to discuss how this change could be made. They declared an ill-conceived, poorly executed change was going to happen and **** off if you don't like it.

If there is so much CSM and SHC support for this change (I strenuously doubt there's as much as you suggest), it's not showing up here. What is showing up here is a lot of disagreement both about the purpose of the change and its impact, much of it well-substantiated (which you've just clearly ignored because you don't care to read it).

So far as I can tell, supporters of this change justify their support either for reasons that have nothing to do with anything said in the devblog (nerfing isk sinks is important for the economy) or because they simply like "carebear tears." I have not heard a single cogent argument supporting the notion that this will have any meaningful, beneficial impact on the nullsec environment.

Greyscale's own comments are internally inconsistent, so...excuse me for thinking a change of this magnitude ought to have some better justification than "at least parts" of the CSM and SHC supporting it, compared to many others who don't and a dev who can't express himself clearly. That doesn't seem too much to ask.

Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:05:00 - [2269]
 

Originally by: Ashaai
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
You're getting dismissed cause this thread is nothing but a big QQ with a lot of splerg and rage, not actual reasonable discussion.

Greyscale has already gotten positive feedback from (at least parts) of the CSM and SHC discussion is much in favor.


I think you misunderstand what dialogue means. There is a lot of splerg and rage here because there has been no discussion. They did not come here to discuss how this change could be made. They declared an ill-conceived, poorly executed change was going to happen and **** off if you don't like it.

If there is so much CSM and SHC support for this change (I strenuously doubt there's as much as you suggest), it's not showing up here. What is showing up here is a lot of disagreement both about the purpose of the change and its impact, much of it well-substantiated (which you've just clearly ignored because you don't care to read it).

So far as I can tell, supporters of this change justify their support either for reasons that have nothing to do with anything said in the devblog (nerfing isk sinks is important for the economy) or because they simply like "carebear tears." I have not heard a single cogent argument supporting the notion that this will have any meaningful, beneficial impact on the nullsec environment.

Greyscale's own comments are internally inconsistent, so...excuse me for thinking a change of this magnitude ought to have some better justification than "at least parts" of the CSM and SHC supporting it, compared to many others who don't and a dev who can't express himself clearly. That doesn't seem too much to ask.


look at it from a larger PoV

the old saying is dont fly what you cant afford to loose

now look at certain alliances

they are far beyond that point
they welping titans after titans and supers fleets (and subcaps )
not so long ago loosing a few **** lost would break an ally
now you just shrug it off

what this change will bring is imo

- renters will pay less or stop paying at all
- the average Joe will demand a good ship replacement program and leaders will need to pay out , not loosing their 5th titan
and so on

will these changes be enough ? i doubt it
ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming

Antigue
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:21:00 - [2270]
 

Edited by: Antigue on 02/04/2011 01:29:53
Originally by: Lt Pizi

look at it from a larger PoV

the old saying is dont fly what you cant afford to loose

now look at certain alliances

they are far beyond that point
they welping titans after titans and supers fleets (and subcaps )
not so long ago loosing a few **** lost would break an ally
now you just shrug it off

what this change will bring is imo

- renters will pay less or stop paying at all
- the average Joe will demand a good ship replacement program and leaders will need to pay out , not loosing their 5th titan
and so on

will these changes be enough ? i doubt it
ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming


How terribly wrong you are.
This does not affect the large ALLIANCES at all as they got their income out our moongoo.
This does affect ONLY small alliances and players.
It will destroy a diversity of renters in space.
It will NOT AT ALL break the large alliances.
But it will destroy life in nullsec for at least 80% of the renters.
This means less conflict among renters and even bigger blobs.
This will mean less pew pew as there are only 2 options:
1) The freakin system is empty anyway
2) The system is worth it to keep sov and rat so there will be the blob concentrated.

In the end there will be a few huge powerblocks that control the entire nullsec and for younger players with lesser SP and no supers it will be almost impossible to join them.

The only thing this patch would be good for is to finally destroy most of the smaller NC corps/alliances.
But then again it is really sad that you need to patch away alliances and naps by punishing the common grunt.
So all this would be in favour of large alliances by completly destroying renters.
And donīt be fooled. There will not be any "good ship reimbursements" instead of titans.
Very much the opposite. If you can bring in supers you are welcome if not, then not.
So this is an extremly r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d. idea back to super blocks and away from small and medium scale pew pew.

Edit: The easiest way to create drama that will lead pretty soon into fights is to remove the options to set standings for alliances and corps outside their own alliance.
That would cause drama and lead to fights rather sooner then later.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:26:00 - [2271]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Ashaai
Despite Greyscale indicating he would open a dialogue with us following the response to his blog, he has completely failed to do so. His follow-up posts were both days ago and completely nonresponsive to the issues raised by players in this thread. Nevertheless, the change still appears in the patch notes for Incursion 1.4 in what I can only assume is a cruel joke being played on us by the devs.

You're getting dismissed cause this thread is nothing but a big QQ with a lot of splerg and rage, not actual reasonable discussion.

Greyscale has already gotten positive feedback from (at least parts) of the CSM and SHC discussion is much in favor.

I hope everyone remembers this. SHC forums now carry more weight than CCP's own forums. Proof yet again that CCP listen to whatever special interest groups that are kissing ass. CCP favors those who at least pretend to be their friends when they are doing something stupid. This is not the first time SHC has gotten stealth changes into the game because they are in bed with the devs.

Nipps McChesty
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:32:00 - [2272]
 

I find it most interesting they've removed the post about these changes on their Facebook page, which I had been closely following. Earlier, they were just deleting comments that were against this nerf, leaving the ones that were in support. Now the post has been completely removed. That leads me to believe that:

1. They couldn't maintain the illusion of 50-50 for / against this change they claimed, so they're obfuscating the facts by simply removing the posts, thereby not looking like total tools to the general Facebook public and being able to claim massive support from fans.

2. This is indeed an April Fool Joke and the change isn't really going to happen.

I tend to lean towards option 1.

Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:35:00 - [2273]
 

Originally by: Antigue
Edited by: Antigue on 02/04/2011 01:29:53
Originally by: Lt Pizi

look at it from a larger PoV

the old saying is dont fly what you cant afford to loose

now look at certain alliances

they are far beyond that point
they welping titans after titans and supers fleets (and subcaps )
not so long ago loosing a few **** lost would break an ally
now you just shrug it off

what this change will bring is imo

- renters will pay less or stop paying at all
- the average Joe will demand a good ship replacement program and leaders will need to pay out , not loosing their 5th titan
and so on

will these changes be enough ? i doubt it
ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming


How terribly wrong you are.
This does not affect the large ALLIANCES at all as they got their income out our moongoo.
This does affect ONLY small alliances and players.
It will destroy a diversity of renters in space.
It will NOT AT ALL break the large alliances.
But it will destroy life in nullsec for at least 80% of the renters.
This means less conflict among renters and even bigger blobs.
This will mean less pew pew as there are only 2 options:
1) The freakin system is empty anyway
2) The system is worth it to keep sov and rat so there will be the blob concentrated.

In the end there will be a few huge powerblocks that control the entire nullsec and for younger players with lesser SP and no supers it will be almost impossible to join them.

The only thing this patch would be good for is to finally destroy most of the smaller NC corps/alliances.
But then again it is really sad that you need to patch away alliances and naps by punishing the common grunt.
So all this would be in favour of large alliances by completly destroying renters.
And donīt be fooled. There will not be any "good ship reimbursements" instead of titans.
Very much the opposite. If you can bring in supers you are welcome if not, then not.
So this is an extremly r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d. idea back to super blocks and away from small and medium scale pew pew.

Edit: The easiest way to create drama that will lead pretty soon into fights is to remove the options to set standings for alliances and corps outside their own alliance.
That would cause drama and lead to fights rather sooner then later.


you just replying ? read it to the end

i highlight it for you

will these changes be enough ? i doubt it
ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming

be prepared to rage in a few month again

Mizukage Madara
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:39:00 - [2274]
 

Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Antigue
Edited by: Antigue on 02/04/2011 01:29:53
Originally by: Lt Pizi

look at it from a larger PoV

the old saying is dont fly what you cant afford to loose

now look at certain alliances

they are far beyond that point
they welping titans after titans and supers fleets (and subcaps )
not so long ago loosing a few **** lost would break an ally
now you just shrug it off

what this change will bring is imo

- renters will pay less or stop paying at all
- the average Joe will demand a good ship replacement program and leaders will need to pay out , not loosing their 5th titan
and so on

will these changes be enough ? i doubt it
ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming


How terribly wrong you are.
This does not affect the large ALLIANCES at all as they got their income out our moongoo.
This does affect ONLY small alliances and players.
It will destroy a diversity of renters in space.
It will NOT AT ALL break the large alliances.
But it will destroy life in nullsec for at least 80% of the renters.
This means less conflict among renters and even bigger blobs.
This will mean less pew pew as there are only 2 options:
1) The freakin system is empty anyway
2) The system is worth it to keep sov and rat so there will be the blob concentrated.

In the end there will be a few huge powerblocks that control the entire nullsec and for younger players with lesser SP and no supers it will be almost impossible to join them.

The only thing this patch would be good for is to finally destroy most of the smaller NC corps/alliances.
But then again it is really sad that you need to patch away alliances and naps by punishing the common grunt.
So all this would be in favour of large alliances by completly destroying renters.
And donīt be fooled. There will not be any "good ship reimbursements" instead of titans.
Very much the opposite. If you can bring in supers you are welcome if not, then not.
So this is an extremly r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d. idea back to super blocks and away from small and medium scale pew pew.

Edit: The easiest way to create drama that will lead pretty soon into fights is to remove the options to set standings for alliances and corps outside their own alliance.
That would cause drama and lead to fights rather sooner then later.


you just replying ? read it to the end

i highlight it for you

will these changes be enough ? i doubt it
ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming

be prepared to rage in a few month again



well we are expecting more pain .. not something that we are glad to hear. .i realy doubt that

Antigue
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:40:00 - [2275]
 

Originally by: Lt Pizi

you just replying ? read it to the end

i highlight it for you

will these changes be enough ? i doubt it
ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming

be prepared to rage in a few month again


How stupid is this?
We are not talking about enough we are talking about a stupid idea that will not even be a beginning.
You donīt need to watch where this is going to you just need to use your brain for like letīs say a second.
Obviously people in nullsec did use their brains and if this should not be just a silly joke, CCP did not.
Easy as it is.
But hey I know you trust their almighty wisdom and like thousands of replies from players all over nullsec is worth like nothing for you.

Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:42:00 - [2276]
 

what brain ??

they patched sanctums in and the moon goo revamp
now they takin it away

you rage
i applaud em to see the error ...

Mizukage Madara
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:45:00 - [2277]
 

Originally by: Antigue
Originally by: Lt Pizi

you just replying ? read it to the end

i highlight it for you

will these changes be enough ? i doubt it
ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming

be prepared to rage in a few month again


How stupid is this?
We are not talking about enough we are talking about a stupid idea that will not even be a beginning.
You donīt need to watch where this is going to you just need to use your brain for like letīs say a second.
Obviously people in nullsec did use their brains and if this should not be just a silly joke, CCP did not.
Easy as it is.
But hey I know you trust their almighty wisdom and like thousands of replies from players all over nullsec is worth like nothing for you.




well you are kinda right i dont think they give a ... about what we think .. but let us hope that they wont apply this patch (the hell is gone brake louse)

Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:47:00 - [2278]
 

do you really beleave the few few hundred of individuals that posted here are an even near to an educated guess what ppl think ?

Antigue
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:47:00 - [2279]
 

Originally by: Lt Pizi
what brain ??



Exactly. Now go and search your brain and stop *****shipping some CCP.

Nipps McChesty
Posted - 2011.04.02 01:50:00 - [2280]
 

I love how high sec griefers and low sec pirates seem to have all the answers about how things should be handled in 0.0.


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