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Klam
Amarr
FACTS on EVE
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:40:00 - [1861]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren

Ed: And apparently I must have spent 14 hours a day for 3 solid years belt ratting in 0.0 to pay for all my PVP ships. Rolling Eyes


14 hours a day ratting? No. 14 hours a day on the forum instead of actually playing. Quite possible.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:44:00 - [1862]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 30/03/2011 21:48:56
Originally by: Xel Ra
...


Meh, there's a couple thousand but I'm not going to tell you where they are. Also, I had to go hunt for the last time I had a hauler posted to any killboard. ;-) With regards to economics: at least have your model make some sense. That's always a good first step. ;-)

-Liang

Ed:
Quote:
14 hours a day ratting? No. 14 hours a day on the forum instead of actually playing. Quite possible.


Naw man, I forum ***** at certain times of the day and play at others. I spend a fair amount of time waiting on builds/tests to run. Once I get home, the forums are quite dead anyway so it works out great for my play time. ;-)

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:45:00 - [1863]
 

Originally by: Klam
Originally by: Liang Nuren

Ed: And apparently I must have spent 14 hours a day for 3 solid years belt ratting in 0.0 to pay for all my PVP ships. Rolling Eyes


14 hours a day ratting? No. 14 hours a day on the forum instead of actually playing. Quite possible.


Has anyone actually posted more on this issue than Liang? For someone who has no idea what it's like to live in 0.0 he sure is desperate to have his own view validated and to boldy go against the tide, proving that only he, in his infallible wisdom, is worthy of being recognized as wise and shrewd to see through the smokescreen that is everyone else's opinion. Oh, noble Liang, we are fortunate to be in your holy presence, you empire hugging troll.

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:46:00 - [1864]
 

Originally by: Xel Ra

Has anyone actually posted more on this issue than Liang?


yep...whiny carebears.

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:48:00 - [1865]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Xel Ra
...


Meh, there's a couple thousand but I'm not going to tell you where they are. Also, I had to go hunt for the last time I had a hauler posted to any killboard. ;-) With regards to economics: at least have your model make some sense. That's always a good first step. ;-)

-Liang



Way to take the high road....and say nothing meritorious and contribute nothing to the discussion, but then that's nothing new, to judge from your posts.

Oh, you put on quite the affectation of noble good grace when it suits you to avoid anything substantive, but what a poor charade. You need to work on the acting skills, amigo. I recommend not trying out corp infiltration just yet.

NenYim
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:48:00 - [1866]
 

CPP = STUPID... u r STUPID 2 think this is a good idea!

here's a stupid question.. when a alliance gets space... what r they going 2 do 2 make a income....FAIL! u just took that option AWAY! your going 2 force ppl back 2 highsec..... IDOTS!

FACEPALM!

Rene Winter
Militant Mermen
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:49:00 - [1867]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren


I've spent more time with hostiles on grid with my mission ship in high sec and low sec than in 0.0 Intel channels are fantastic for reducing actual risk of PVE in 0.0 to near 0.

-Liang



Sure the risk is low with good intel but you are not going to be generating isk if you actually use said intel to avoid fights. And that if you want good intel vs incedental intel that means somebody is out there not making isk.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:49:00 - [1868]
 

Originally by: VIncent Vance
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Marconus Orion
please give me attention i'll even use red letters for it

The crux of the matter is that sanctums were BARELY better than level4s as it is.
Making vast regions of 0.0 worse then Empire can't possibly do anything good for the game. Why should I make less isk/hour in 0.0 when i could do it in highsec with less risk? Why should a group of people share the bad anoms in 0.0 when a single level4 system can support infinity people making better isk/hour?


Indeed, lvl4 missions in hi-sec empire need to be severely nerfed, or at least moved out to losec.


I think the only result that would have would be making lots of people just flat out quit altogether. Plenty of the mission running carebears might not want to move out to lowsec/0.0. Right now the carrot and stick for the mission runner is balanced well enough to keep them playing to buy the next big thing, which is what gives value to much of the 0.0 loot drops, and FW LP store. Take away the bears and you're destabilizing the game badly enough it could destroy it. But I guess CCP's working hard on making the game implode anyway, so probably just as well.

Jennifer Gemini
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:51:00 - [1869]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Gemini on 30/03/2011 21:51:24
CCP -- sorry. You messed up on this one. Really, you did. This is going too far now, you're deleting replies that tell people to shove it up your ass? Have fun ****ing off even MORE customers.

My advice:
- Delete this thread
- Delete the blog post
- Pretend it never happened
- ???
- Profit

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:52:00 - [1870]
 

Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Originally by: Xel Ra

Has anyone actually posted more on this issue than Liang?


yep...whiny carebears.


Hi Irrelevant,

I notice you're not capable of much thought more than a brief phrase at a time.

Sincerely,

Youboreme

Hrdlodus
Gallente
Bohemian Veterans
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:56:00 - [1871]
 

Edited by: Hrdlodus on 30/03/2011 22:10:51
i am just realy excited about this incoming change! atm there is loads of ppl trying to rat to get some isk and we must share anoms to get something out of it. and 50% of time its dangerous to rat because there are cloaked reds/neuts in system (with friends around). after the change the number of ppl per system will double (i am optimist), cloaked reds/neuts will be more in one system. this will be just great Very Happy you can just tell us to return to high sec instead of this you know... but i think something like this have already been writen down by someone. i just needed to spit it out too
live long and prosper?
☺/

edit: question: or is there going to be a way to probe out cloaked ships in system? (at least that would be some + here...)

Oguras
Gallente
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.03.30 22:10:00 - [1872]
 

Originally by: Hrdlodus
i am just realy excited about this incoming change! atm there is loads of ppl trying to rat to get some isk and we must share anoms to get something out of it. and 50% of time its dangerous to rat because there are cloaked reds/neuts in system (with friends around). after the change the number of ppl per system will double (i am optimist), cloaked reds/neuts will be more in one system. this will be just great Very Happy you can just tell us to return to high sec instead of this you know... but i think something like this have already been writen down by someone. i just needed to spit it out too
live long and prosper?
☺/


Weren't you living in pre-sanctum era in providence? Somewhat you have managed to get isk for your :pvp: (or did you not back then?).. Very Happy

Hrdlodus
Gallente
Bohemian Veterans
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.03.30 22:17:00 - [1873]
 

Originally by: Oguras
Weren't you living in pre-sanctum era in providence? Somewhat you have managed to get isk for your :pvp: (or did you not back then?).. Very Happy

back then i was mining in hisec and didnt know anything about 0.0 space tbh Laughing i know i will get by somehow if i must, but i will be one of hundreds of pilots that need to get by somehow... and doing lower anoms than havens/sanctums wont solve the problem... and this realy isnt nerf against alliances or powerblocks. this is nerf against small corps/alliances and players... (small gang pvp, plexes, better ships, expensive skill books... there is loads of things what you need isk for...)

Akuma Gouki
Amarr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.30 22:22:00 - [1874]
 

This is kinda just screwing over the average 0.0 pilot with no other real benefits. We had this system originally, and it just plain sucked that a lot of us were forced to get crap money and crap spawns because the alliance stayed in a particular area due to good moons. None of us saw any of that isk. Sure, the alliance might've had somewhat decent reimbursement programs, but even those were limited and so most pilots were unable to fly whatever they wanted on their own dime. Poor pilots = boring fleet compositions and less likelyhood of them actually participating in fleets instead of whoring up the belts. Also, what the heck was the point of introducing infrastructure hubs and whatnot if we're just gonna go right back to the old system?

tldr: This is going to change nothing with alliance politics and just screw over individual pilots.

-1 subscription

shistelshik
Posted - 2011.03.30 23:05:00 - [1875]
 

Horrible idea CCP. Leave SOV alone!

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2011.03.30 23:07:00 - [1876]
 

Originally by: Akuma Gouki
Poor pilots = boring fleet compositions and less likelyhood of them actually participating in fleets instead of whoring up the belts.


hahaha you guys drakes and t1 fit maelstroms. You don't need sanctums for that.

Wingshard
Order of the Sable Shield
Posted - 2011.03.30 23:09:00 - [1877]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren

Originally by: Wingshard

Why should anyone claim this so called "worthless space" that ...
has to be paid for on a constant basis
has to be upgraded before its even partly useful as its now for several billions of isk (not even counting the freighter to transport the i-hub)



Three things:
- People want their name on the map
- People think it helps recruitment
- It doesn't have to be upgraded to be useful space.

Originally by: Wingshard
A bunch of stuff about upgrades


See #3.

-Liang




1.People want their name on the map?

Indeed i bet some people use that to stroke their ego but random person putting a tcu up and paying for upkeep to "have a name on the map" wont make any use of the system or bring warfare besides other people being "meh" dropping some supers / dreads on it and over.


2. You kidding? Go in recruitment channel and see how much people lie about "we have 0.0 space". Not to mention that it would be more hurtful to a corporation to be like "yeah we are awesome here use our space" and you end up in one of the said total crap systems.

3. So a 5 belt -0.2 security status is useful without upgrades?

Lets see.
You can do ratting for FAR less income than doing lvl 4 missions and factionspawns in -0.2...lol. (sersiously who are you kidding?)
You cant mine abc ore nor do you have decent supply of other higher class ore.
You probably get some exploration sites every couple of days...if even.

Infact if the ore is depleted (the good one thats not accessable in empire) and there are no explortion sites spawning such a system would need a lot of the income from ratting to sustain the upkeep cost. Which would mean you rent space to rat for the sake of renting space.

This concept does NOT support upcomming alliances, does NOT allow them to fund the desired warfare and will also be no reason to have warfare about if not used as staging system.

Personaly i think that a lot of what you, some other people and exspecialy Greyscale read into this idea is more wishful thinking than anything else that might would come close to realism.

The way of how 0.0 was populated before the upgrade system shows it wont work and speaking of "if theres less of something valueable there will be more conflict about it" is also wrong as shown by highend moons. Its wishful thinking at its best.

Lord Zoran
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.30 23:15:00 - [1878]
 

And Liang is back, after a full 14 hours of rest he is back for another 10 hours of training. This guy really knows no limit when it comes to his "sport" of choice. As he eats his greasy bucket of chicken while frantically typing away, is there anyone that could challenge this recluse of a man at this highest level of sport.

Some say he hasent seen sunlight in over a year, others say if you see his face you will die of shock, all we know is he is called Liang.

Posted - 2011.03.30 07:44:00

Posted - 2011.03.30 21:27:00

antsrkool
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.30 23:18:00 - [1879]
 

is this a april fools day join. this idea is total ******ed. cancel this plan.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.30 23:30:00 - [1880]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 30/03/2011 23:37:43
Originally by: Lord Zoran
And Liang is back, after a full 14 hours of rest he is back for another 10 hours of training. This guy really knows no limit when it comes to his "sport" of choice. As he eats his greasy bucket of chicken while frantically typing away, is there anyone that could challenge this recluse of a man at this highest level of sport.

Some say he hasent seen sunlight in over a year, others say if you see his face you will die of shock, all we know is he is called Liang.

Posted - 2011.03.30 07:44:00

Posted - 2011.03.30 21:27:00


lolz. I'm bookmarking this poast.

-Liang

Ed: OH SNAP I remember you! You're the guy that thinks games, by definition, are supposed to be easy and hates sports. LOLZ! Laughing

Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2011.03.30 23:31:00 - [1881]
 

With all these people threatening to rage quit this could be the lag fix patch we have been waiting for Very Happy



Sadly they wont quit, it's just the usual angry carebears stomping their feet when you dare to touch their precious isk farms

Hesperius
Posted - 2011.03.30 23:45:00 - [1882]
 

Edited by: Hesperius on 30/03/2011 23:45:37
Originally by: Lord Zoran
And Liang is back, after a full 14 hours of rest he is back for another 10 hours of training. This guy really knows no limit when it comes to his "sport" of choice. As he eats his greasy bucket of chicken while frantically typing away, is there anyone that could challenge this recluse of a man at this highest level of sport.

Some say he hasent seen sunlight in over a year, others say if you see his face you will die of shock, all we know is he is called Liang.

The guy who started #fitfleet? The one who promotes health and fitness all the time?

Looking good man.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.30 23:56:00 - [1883]
 

Originally by: Hesperius
Edited by: Hesperius on 30/03/2011 23:45:37
Originally by: Lord Zoran
And Liang is back, after a full 14 hours of rest he is back for another 10 hours of training. This guy really knows no limit when it comes to his "sport" of choice. As he eats his greasy bucket of chicken while frantically typing away, is there anyone that could challenge this recluse of a man at this highest level of sport.

Some say he hasent seen sunlight in over a year, others say if you see his face you will die of shock, all we know is he is called Liang.

The guy who started #fitfleet? The one who promotes health and fitness all the time?

Looking good man.

Oprah Winfrey and Dr Phil promote fitness all the time too, but their asses are as fat as ever. Just because some jackass spews crap, and just because people are stupid enough to occasionally take it seriously, doesn't confer expert status.

RimasEG
Posted - 2011.03.31 00:05:00 - [1884]
 

So... CCP is moving some of the the few reasons to live in null sec over to higher sec systems.

Great idea, nice way to kill pvp in nullsec.

The funny thing is that CCP thinks this will make nullsec alliances PVP more for more space when in fact this change will make nullsec space less valuable hence lesser reason to PVP in nullsec or own nullsec space.

How can you PVP more when you have less ISK? IF you have less ISK you will PVP LESS.

Casual nullsec players are done for. Only people that can devote a decent amoutn of time will get to pvp in nullsec.

Erick Odin
Amarr
Local-Spike
Posted - 2011.03.31 00:14:00 - [1885]
 

How do you guys expect CCP to make money with time codes if there are all these sanctum isk faucets?


Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.03.31 00:15:00 - [1886]
 

Whats up with all the spergs jumping at Liangs throat in here, he's one of the few posters on these forums that have a really profound understanding of this game as well as years of actually constructive posting history.

Although he's admittedly grown somewhat bitter lately, his opinion holds far more weight than all the random whining in here combined.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.31 00:18:00 - [1887]
 

Originally by: Omara Otawan
Although he's admittedly grown somewhat bitter lately


Hrm. You should evemail me with some examples - I thought I was getting happier as a whole... Embarassed

-Liang

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.31 00:22:00 - [1888]
 

Originally by: Omara Otawan
Whats up with all the spergs jumping at Liangs throat in here, he's one of the few posters on these forums that have a really profound understanding of this game as well as years of actually constructive posting history.

Although he's admittedly grown somewhat bitter lately, his opinion holds far more weight than all the random whining in here combined.


People on these forums arent judged by their personal qualities or feats, they're judged solely by their opinion on the current thread.

If you are against the change you are automatically an NC whiner, and if you are for the changes you are a good true-sec dwelling troll.

Gabriel Grimoire
Amarr
Ascendent.
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.03.31 00:23:00 - [1889]
 

Originally by: Omara Otawan
Whats up with all the spergs jumping at Liangs throat in here, he's one of the few posters on these forums that have a really profound understanding of this game as well as years of actually constructive posting history.

Although he's admittedly grown somewhat bitter lately, his opinion holds far more weight than all the random whining in here combined.


Probably has something to do with the fact that everything he posts comes off as smug, elitist, dismissive, holier-than-thou, mocking, and a consistent habit of CCP brown nosing.

Just a shot in the dark. Rolling Eyes

Welsige
Gallente
Ad Vita Noctu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.31 00:25:00 - [1890]
 



All I will say is that i do not like that change, and hope CCP will see it before damaging the game.


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