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Cassius Hawkeye
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:21:00 - [1801]
 

I feel this is a good change to bring back a bit of balance in the eve 0.0 economy.

I remember grinding ****ty rats in crap systems/ to get my first battleship, and the pain of losing it. 0.0 shouldn't be a free isk printing machine. Belt rats, PI, mining, havens/sanctums in other system still provide more than enough isk to many new players.

I look forward to 0.0 being a bit tougher, with more reason to fight over richer regions / systems. Having the potential for every system to be the same for isk making was always wrong, and i am glad ccp is fixing it.

P.S - i benefit from sanctums - i will miss the easy isk, but i will just go back to other ways to make isk.

orphenshadow
Gallente
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:23:00 - [1802]
 

Originally by: Proats
Guys, guys, you're getting worked up over nothing. This is clearly an April Fool's prank. CCP can't possibly that dumb.


Let's hope.

However,

To anyone saying that pvp'rs who oppose these changes arent pvpr's consider this.

I do not farm sanctums, Hell i cant stand the thought of shooting npc's. But I need to fund my hull mining habits. Currently my alliance has upgrades our space, i can spend an hour a week running a sanctum to get me enough ships to enjoy the rest of the week.

You take those away i either have to go all the way to highsec and run missions, or into a wh, taking me out of pvp for longer amounts of time. Or i just buy a botting program and join the rest of them...

Not only that as someone who roams around frequently with his corpies looking for dumbasses running sanctums, its going to suck having everyone clumped into a few systems. It will only make the rich richer and keep more of them blobbed into one space. Where as right now there are plenty of upgraded systems in dead end pipes etc. where you can run in with a few ppl gank the unsuspecting idiot in a carrier and gtfo.

I just don't see any of the outcomes listed in the op as actually having anything to do with these changes.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:26:00 - [1803]
 

Originally by: Gariboldi Phiron
Quote:
You are forcing people out from 0.0 back to the empire to do missions

QFT

L4 missions are already nearly as profitable as anomalies and (other than during war decs) they are far safer to do. Everyone will naturally gravitate to the most profitable use of their time (that they can stand doing) and removing anoms will just shift that right back to the previous king of isk grinding.

I wish the players could fire one ccp staffer a year for being a moron, because Greyscale would get my vote this year.


You're forgetting that they are going to nerf level 4 missions as well. No more 7k LP kill missions. 3k lp at best.

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:27:00 - [1804]
 

Originally by: Spartan dax
Originally by: Malcanis
No, seriously though. Virtually all the people crying about how this change will "ruin PvP" or whatever are blatantly no kind of PvPers themselves and never will be. Check the facts before you listen to them.

Even the few that do actually participate have losses so light that 3 hours of casual belt-ratting a month will replace those losses, and that's assuming that their alliances don't do any reimbursement at all. Which most of them do.

Let's be frank here: the outrage in this thread largely originates from full-time sanctum huggers who are stockpiling ISK for a supercap to let them run sanctums even harder, just like they used to run level 4s in Motsu to buy X-type fitted Golems in order to run level 4s even more. It has absolutely nothing to do with "PvP" because they wouldn't know what PvP was if it gave them a business card that had "I am PvP" on it. Most of their alliances will almost certainly be glad to see the back of such CTA-dodging deadweight and their "fifty accounts" (all paid for by doing nothing but run Sanctums)


Lulz. Malcanis telling the truth in his usual succint way.


Malcanis is a joke and a troll. But at least he always has his Kugu fanbase to plusrep him and make him feel like a big man on the Internet. It's important to have friends....somewhere.

Kalothea
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:28:00 - [1805]
 

Originally by: Gariboldi Phiron
I wish the players could fire one ccp staffer a year for being a moron, because Greyscale would get my vote this year.


Until this last blog, I would have completely disagreed with you. Now, I'd be making sure the door DID hit him in the a$$ on the way out.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:28:00 - [1806]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale

Morning all,

Just wanted to drop a few points to think about in here now that I've had some sleep. I'm still mulling over the arguments presented, just wanted to add in some things to the discussion here so our though processes are more closely aligned.

- Assuming the same pilots-per-anom ratio, increasing the number of good anoms in a given area has no impact on the average ISK per pilot. It does affect the carrying capacity of a given system, and it does make it more cost-effective to ensure your space isn't over-saturated, but if a given alliance already has sufficient capacity for their players, then short of a major recruiting drive this change is just going to save them a bit of money at the alliance level by allowing them to pay for a smaller number of systems. Other than that it doesn't really have an effect on their income.


Yup, because lvl 3 missions are just as good as lvl 4's because there are just as many lvl 3 agents. Rolling Eyes No! The choke point for isk/hour in any high end PVE is DPS. The **** anoms might be okay for noobs in their T1 cruisers where you hit the player's cap before you hit the anom's cap (same reason why lvl 4 missions in a frig don't pay any better than lvl 1 or 2's.)
Quote:

- Historically it's extremely rare that space will stand empty for any extended period ("claimed wastelands" have historically and AFAIAA been highly correlated with the presence of high-value moons, which is a separate issue). People live in Outer Ring. The population density/carrying capacity of low-value space can be affected, but I would not expect any area of space to be truly empty for long.


Remember the AFK empires? That's what you want to go back to? That's flat out stupid. Nobody's going to want to actually LIVE in space with absolute worst income/hour in the game. Look at all the lvl 3 mission hubs. Oh wait, there are none? I wonder why?
Quote:

- Related to this, the current concern about low-value space as it relates to new alliances is that, because it can be upgraded to be almost as good as anywhere else in the game, there's little incentive to move along once you're there. Dominion worked well with getting these regions more useful and more occupied, but we're concerned that unless the current tenants have a good reason to want to leave behind the infrastructure they've built up and move on to better areas, the next crop of prospective alliances are going to find they have nowhere to go.


Nobody's going to move until they've paid off their investment. The small alliances who move to any specific single 0.0 system will not move out until they've built up their asset pool to pay off the previous investment and possibly the next investment, or the alliance ends it's natural life cycle. They won't leave behind billions of isk in upgrades for better systems, but they will leave it behind to do lvl 4 missions.

No, if you want sov to be more volatile, you won't require super-caps to take it or even to disrupt it. Make sov upgrades disruptible by cruiser fleets, cut the EHP supercaps and sov structures to practically nothing. Buff dreads. Then you will see people concentrating their defenses.
Quote:

- Absolute sec status counts are somewhat misleading in this context, because with the proposed changes you only need a few good systems to balance out a lot of bad ones. Two upgraded -0.9 or lower systems are equivalent to a fully-upgraded constellation under the current mechanics. The thing we were looking at most when evaluating numbers for this was how many "good" systems a region had. If a region is 80% dross but you can support your entire alliances from the remaining 20%, then you're in a pretty decent place.

And the big alliances just hand out their good truesec like candy. Rolling Eyes Because the renters just starting out in 0.0 have any chance whatsoever of renting a an entire whole region or even a whole constellation. Rolling Eyes

Jennifer Gemini
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:28:00 - [1807]
 

Originally by: Renan Ruivo
Originally by: Gariboldi Phiron
Quote:
You are forcing people out from 0.0 back to the empire to do missions

QFT

L4 missions are already nearly as profitable as anomalies and (other than during war decs) they are far safer to do. Everyone will naturally gravitate to the most profitable use of their time (that they can stand doing) and removing anoms will just shift that right back to the previous king of isk grinding.

I wish the players could fire one ccp staffer a year for being a moron, because Greyscale would get my vote this year.


You're forgetting that they are going to nerf level 4 missions as well. No more 7k LP kill missions. 3k lp at best.

>Extremely low risk of losing ship
>Nerfs only really go into play when lots of people try to use the same agent.
>Nullsec is reversed, they are trying to force everyone into a few systems. Yay for even MORE lag?

None of these changes make any logical sense. I now have no choice but to conclude that CCP is trolling us.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:44:00 - [1808]
 

Originally by: Xel Ra
Originally by: Spartan dax
Originally by: Malcanis
No, seriously though. Virtually all the people crying about how this change will "ruin PvP" or whatever are blatantly no kind of PvPers themselves and never will be. Check the facts before you listen to them.

Even the few that do actually participate have losses so light that 3 hours of casual belt-ratting a month will replace those losses, and that's assuming that their alliances don't do any reimbursement at all. Which most of them do.

Let's be frank here: the outrage in this thread largely originates from full-time sanctum huggers who are stockpiling ISK for a supercap to let them run sanctums even harder, just like they used to run level 4s in Motsu to buy X-type fitted Golems in order to run level 4s even more. It has absolutely nothing to do with "PvP" because they wouldn't know what PvP was if it gave them a business card that had "I am PvP" on it. Most of their alliances will almost certainly be glad to see the back of such CTA-dodging deadweight and their "fifty accounts" (all paid for by doing nothing but run Sanctums)


Lulz. Malcanis telling the truth in his usual succint way.


Malcanis is a joke and a troll. But at least he always has his Kugu fanbase to plusrep him and make him feel like a big man on the Internet. It's important to have friends....somewhere.


Since you don't have a single kill or loss on battleclinic, then my "joke and a troll" would seem to be 100% precisely correct in your case.

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:45:00 - [1809]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Xel Ra
Originally by: Spartan dax
Originally by: Malcanis
No, seriously though. Virtually all the people crying about how this change will "ruin PvP" or whatever are blatantly no kind of PvPers themselves and never will be. Check the facts before you listen to them.

Even the few that do actually participate have losses so light that 3 hours of casual belt-ratting a month will replace those losses, and that's assuming that their alliances don't do any reimbursement at all. Which most of them do.

Let's be frank here: the outrage in this thread largely originates from full-time sanctum huggers who are stockpiling ISK for a supercap to let them run sanctums even harder, just like they used to run level 4s in Motsu to buy X-type fitted Golems in order to run level 4s even more. It has absolutely nothing to do with "PvP" because they wouldn't know what PvP was if it gave them a business card that had "I am PvP" on it. Most of their alliances will almost certainly be glad to see the back of such CTA-dodging deadweight and their "fifty accounts" (all paid for by doing nothing but run Sanctums)


Lulz. Malcanis telling the truth in his usual succint way.


Malcanis is a joke and a troll. But at least he always has his Kugu fanbase to plusrep him and make him feel like a big man on the Internet. It's important to have friends....somewhere.


Since you don't have a single kill or loss on battleclinic, then my "joke and a troll" would seem to be 100% precisely correct in your case.


I know better than to feed the trolls. My posting alt is very good for doing just that. Keep on trying hard. You are good at it.

Woodiex3
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:45:00 - [1810]
 

Well after days of reading this thread
not even bothering to login game.

I decided to nerf CCP income $ like they will mine
(3 accounts canncelled).

it goes boths ways while my accounts wont matter to them
on this issue they will do what they want.
Hopefully it will make them think twice next time.

Hopefully the ppl who came up with this change will get tagged with "idea that killed 10,000 accounts"

it all comes down to plex and microtransactions.
in theory it will have an higher $ for CCP no matter how many ppl play.

you can dress this patch up how ever you like,
the eve players are smatter than the average bear.
and see straight through it.


Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:47:00 - [1811]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
I currently don't do much PVP because I'm still not yet at the point where I can do anoms quickly enough to generate serious income.


What kind of "serious income" do you think you need in order to PvP?

Seriously, no troll, I'm interested. A rough ISk-per-month figure: how much do you think need?

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:48:00 - [1812]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
I currently don't do much PVP because I'm still not yet at the point where I can do anoms quickly enough to generate serious income.


What kind of "serious income" do you think you need in order to PvP?

Seriously, no troll, I'm interested. A rough ISk-per-month figure: how much do you think need?



Why don't you educate us, since the Initiative proved how to be oh-so-successful at making a go in nullsec.

oldmanst4r
Minmatar
oldmanst4r's Corporation
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:48:00 - [1813]
 

Edited by: oldmanst4r on 30/03/2011 18:56:01
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: oldmanst4r
No need to be a complete ******* about it. Just because it wasn't your pet game mechanic that was nerfed this time doesn't mean you should jump for joy when someone else gets screwed. Particularly in this case, when it is unclear as to whether the anomaly changes will have CCP's intended effect.


I'm really not trying to be an ******* about it or gloat - and I apologize if it comes off as that way. Its not that I'm rejoicing that you are losing your magic ISK fountain. I'm rejoicing that something that breaks the game is going away. Although must admit to enjoying some of the more outlandish tears too. Really, I know this change is going to suck for some 0.0 bears - especially in the short term. But, its a good change for the game and no amount of tinfoil or frothing at the mouth rage is going to change that.

With regards to High Sec L4s and Sanctums: I think its important to remember that Havens/Sanctums are enormous raw ISK faucets. L4s, when run in such a manner as to compete with running Sanctums, are very nearly an ISK sink to the game. Most of your ISK comes from LP, and LP requires raw ISK inputs on top of contract/market costs. Furthermore, it requires market research to know what to sell... and some self restraint not to crash your own markets.

-Liang


Liang, I'm not whining about my isk faucet being nerfed. I don't even live in null at the moment, although I did spend about six months in null post-dominion. I understand how the EVE economy works, and I am a supporter of changes that improve it.

What I don't like is CCP devaluing null for the average player relative to high-security space. If the problem is isk sinks and faucets, there are literally a thousand ways they could decrease the isk payout of sanctums and still make them pay just as well as they do now.

When I lived in null and ran sanctums I found them to be marginally more profitable than high-sec lvl4s at best. Their attractiveness was their convenience. In my opinion, making isk in null should be at least as easy as making isk in the safety of high sec, considering the amount isk you spend on day to day operations. Now you can argue, that making isk in EVE is too easy, and that lvl 4s should be nerfed as well. That's fine, but in order for 0.0 to be attractive, high-sec players must feel like the rewards for living there are higher than the rewards for living in high-sec, otherwise they won't move there.

What this change is going to do is make 0.0 less attractive. It will also reduce the amount of isk flowing into the economy. Shrinking the isk faucet may be a good thing, but I think we all agree that making null less attractive is not. Besides that, the stated reason for this change is to increase the amount of conflict, and it seems to me, to be a rather haphazard way of fulfilling that goal.

Edit: I'm sorry for calling you an ******* in my last post, that was uncalled for. I just don't like it when people gloat over other people's playstyle getting nerfed, whether it's for the good of the game or not. Wink

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:50:00 - [1814]
 

Originally by: Xel Ra
Originally by: Malcanis


Since you don't have a single kill or loss on battleclinic, then my "joke and a troll" would seem to be 100% precisely correct in your case.


I know better than to feed the trolls. My posting alt is very good for doing just that. Keep on trying hard. You are good at it.


But it's true though isn't it. You're not a PvPer, you dont PvP, and all this manufactured outrage about how PvP is impossible without santums is in fact complete rubbish, because it's nothing to do with why you're making all this fuss.

Prove me wrong. Show me your active KB (that I couldn't find) where you're losing so many ships that you can't continue to PvP without that 70 mill an hour, all day every day.

Or, you know, admit that this argument that sanctums are required to maintain PvP is a complete lie. Either is good.

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:51:00 - [1815]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Xel Ra
Originally by: Malcanis


Since you don't have a single kill or loss on battleclinic, then my "joke and a troll" would seem to be 100% precisely correct in your case.


I know better than to feed the trolls. My posting alt is very good for doing just that. Keep on trying hard. You are good at it.


But it's true though isn't it. You're not a PvPer, you dont PvP, and all this manufactured outrage about how PvP is impossible without santums is in fact complete rubbish, because it's nothing to do with why you're making all this fuss.

Prove me wrong. Show me your active KB (that I couldn't find) where you're losing so many ships that you can't continue to PvP without that 70 mill an hour, all day every day.

Or, you know, admit that this argument that sanctums are required to maintain PvP is a complete lie. Either is good.


Seems to me someone is a little butthurt about getting kicked out of Catch and wants to spread the love. Misery loves company, eh, Malcanis?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:54:00 - [1816]
 

Originally by: Xel Ra
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
I currently don't do much PVP because I'm still not yet at the point where I can do anoms quickly enough to generate serious income.


What kind of "serious income" do you think you need in order to PvP?

Seriously, no troll, I'm interested. A rough ISk-per-month figure: how much do you think need?



Why don't you educate us, since the Initiative proved how to be oh-so-successful at making a go in nullsec.


Well I'm ever so glad you mentioned that. You see the Initiative lived in Venal, and then Vale - with no system upgrades or high-vlaue moons. None. Not one. And you know, somehow, we still turned out and fought every night, and did rather well thank you.

Of course, we never matched the mighty combat record of... Aliastra? but still we managed to field HACs, Recons, T2-fitted BS

Eventually we lost Immensea because we declined to join any other powerbloc, not that we didn't have plenty of offers, but such is life. Why dont you tell us about your awesome 0.0 record?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:56:00 - [1817]
 

Originally by: Xel Ra
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Xel Ra
Originally by: Malcanis


Since you don't have a single kill or loss on battleclinic, then my "joke and a troll" would seem to be 100% precisely correct in your case.


I know better than to feed the trolls. My posting alt is very good for doing just that. Keep on trying hard. You are good at it.


But it's true though isn't it. You're not a PvPer, you dont PvP, and all this manufactured outrage about how PvP is impossible without santums is in fact complete rubbish, because it's nothing to do with why you're making all this fuss.

Prove me wrong. Show me your active KB (that I couldn't find) where you're losing so many ships that you can't continue to PvP without that 70 mill an hour, all day every day.

Or, you know, admit that this argument that sanctums are required to maintain PvP is a complete lie. Either is good.


Seems to me someone is a little butthurt about getting kicked out of Catch and wants to spread the love. Misery loves company, eh, Malcanis?


Seems to me someone is a little butthurt about losing their bot-farm rental income in Catch and wants to spread the love. And yes it does, whoever you are that's too gutless to stand behind what they say by posting with their main.

So. Care to prove me wrong with the FACT of your killboard? Lost a few too many drakes recently, have you....?

Gabriel Grimoire
Amarr
Ascendent.
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:57:00 - [1818]
 

Originally by: oldmanst4r
What I don't like is CCP devaluing null for the average player relative to high-security space. If the problem is isk sinks and faucets, there are literally a thousand ways they could decrease the isk payout of sanctums and still make them pay just as well as they do now.

When I lived in null and ran sanctums I found them to be marginally more profitable than high-sec lvl4s at best. Their attractiveness was their convenience. In my opinion, making isk in null should be at least as easy as making isk in the safety of high sec, considering the amount isk you spend on day to day operations. Now you can argue, that making isk in EVE is too easy, and that lvl 4s should be nerfed as well. That's fine, but in order for 0.0 to be attractive, high-sec players must feel like the rewards for living there are higher than the rewards for living in high-sec, otherwise they won't move there.

What this change is going to do is make 0.0 less attractive. It will also reduce the amount of isk flowing into the economy. Shrinking the isk faucet may be a good thing, but I think we all agree that making null less attractive is not. Besides that, the stated reason for this change is to increase the amount of conflict, and it seems to me, to be a rather haphazard way of fulfilling that goal.


This. This SO hard.

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:57:00 - [1819]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Xel Ra
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
I currently don't do much PVP because I'm still not yet at the point where I can do anoms quickly enough to generate serious income.


What kind of "serious income" do you think you need in order to PvP?

Seriously, no troll, I'm interested. A rough ISk-per-month figure: how much do you think need?



Why don't you educate us, since the Initiative proved how to be oh-so-successful at making a go in nullsec.


Well I'm ever so glad you mentioned that. You see the Initiative lived in Venal, and then Vale - with no system upgrades or high-vlaue moons. None. Not one. And you know, somehow, we still turned out and fought every night, and did rather well thank you.

Of course, we never matched the mighty combat record of... Aliastra? but still we managed to field HACs, Recons, T2-fitted BS

Eventually we lost Immensea because we declined to join any other powerbloc, not that we didn't have plenty of offers, but such is life. Why dont you tell us about your awesome 0.0 record?


Yes, the Initiative has taught us all a great lesson about how to be successful in nullsec........ohwait.

Oh, and you're going to prove your point by talking about all the expensive ships you use now that you've been around the block for a while?

Nice job of logic. Why don't you just admit you want easy targets, the kind you are used to blobbing during your time in null?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:58:00 - [1820]
 

Originally by: oldmanst4r


When I lived in null and ran sanctums I found them to be marginally more profitable than high-sec lvl4s at best.


Sort of true... right up until you get a 10/10 escalation worth 500-1.5B

Then they're vastly more profitable.

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:58:00 - [1821]
 

is this a good time to ask everyone complaining in this thread to contract their stuff to me

Zemkhoff
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:00:00 - [1822]
 

Edited by: Zemkhoff on 30/03/2011 19:00:15
Please continue the self-entitlement complex and ranting.

Now to make good isk in 0.0 you might need to, oh I don't know, make an effort?

Currently it's press butan ---> receive isk.

Scanning down sites or wormholes will net you better isk/h than the sanctums as they are now, but people have gotten lazy I suppose.

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:04:00 - [1823]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
But it's true though isn't it. You're not a PvPer, you dont PvP, and all this manufactured outrage about how PvP is impossible without santums is in fact complete rubbish, because it's nothing to do with why you're making all this fuss.

Prove me wrong. Show me your active KB (that I couldn't find) where you're losing so many ships that you can't continue to PvP without that 70 mill an hour, all day every day.

Or, you know, admit that this argument that sanctums are required to maintain PvP is a complete lie. Either is good.


Seems to me someone is a little butthurt about getting kicked out of Catch and wants to spread the love. Misery loves company, eh, Malcanis?


Seems to me someone is a little butthurt about losing their bot-farm rental income in Catch and wants to spread the love. And yes it does, whoever you are that's too gutless to stand behind what they say by posting with their main.

So. Care to prove me wrong with the FACT of your killboard? Lost a few too many drakes recently, have you....?


Malcanis, at this point, I'm just going to let you keep sperging, because you do a far better job than I do of making yourself look like an ass to everyone in this forum. You're so desperate for legitimacy that you can hardly contain yourself by this point. Thanks for showing your true colors to everyone here.

When you can wipe the tears away from the pain of your failed alliance, maybe all that butthurt will finally have worked itself off, and you, too, can learn to play with all the other kids in the sandbox without being a colossal jerk picking fights you can't hope to win.

Good luck with everything, dude. Hope it all works out for you.

PI PETRA
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:06:00 - [1824]
 

Quote:
CCP Greyscale is excited about the changes coming to anomalies. Read all about it here in his latest dev blog.


Will CCP be as Excited about there changes when people start to leave in there droves as they cant afford to pvp anymore unless they spend 3 weeks ratting?

if this goes ahead then i will be voting with my hard earnt cash and find something else to play instead!

PLEASE PLEASE release a better game than wow before CCP screw up space forever Rolling Eyes

estelle autinos
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:14:00 - [1825]
 

If this is an April fool joke......it's immense.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:16:00 - [1826]
 

I just love the way people say that we had no anomalies before and were able to make do, so its no big deal. Well, i agree. Since EVERYONE used to get on by on 0.0 with belt-ratting, and EVERYONE will have to go back to belt-ratting, no harm will be done, and no balance will be broken.


Oh wait..

Ghostscorpion
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:34:00 - [1827]
 

Originally by: Cassius Hawkeye
I feel this is a good change to bring back a bit of balance in the eve 0.0 economy.

I remember grinding ****ty rats in crap systems/ to get my first battleship, and the pain of losing it. 0.0 shouldn't be a free isk printing machine. Belt rats, PI, mining, havens/sanctums in other system still provide more than enough isk to many new players.

I look forward to 0.0 being a bit tougher, with more reason to fight over richer regions / systems. Having the potential for every system to be the same for isk making was always wrong, and i am glad ccp is fixing it.

P.S - i benefit from sanctums - i will miss the easy isk, but i will just go back to other ways to make isk.


Humm I just looked at your alliance sovereignty. Looks to me that your Alliance will be... Will kicked from you rented space good luck to you after CCP adds the change.

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her is your Alliance sovereignty. info
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Region SolarSystem Security lv
Catch NH-1X6 -0.24
25S-6P -0.95
4-07MU -1.00
FAT-6P -0.64
CZK-ZQ -0.66
QETZ-W -0.40
Querious NDII-Q -0.04
5V-BJI -0.43
W-IIYI -0.35
F-NXLQ -0.79
H74-B0 -0.68
0TKF-6 -0.42




Jenn aSide
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:38:00 - [1828]
 

Another thing about this idiotic idea is that it sets people like me (who are RL cash poor) WAY back against these kids who have no families and can just buy GTCs to fund pvp. As it is now, you have to do A LOT of sanctums and havens to match what someone with 35 bucks can get in seconds.


President Jordan
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:42:00 - [1829]
 

To quote Charlie Sheen:

"Wow, that was another BAD joke!"

CCP = FAIL


mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.30 19:44:00 - [1830]
 

Originally by: Jenn aSide
Another thing about this idiotic idea is that it sets people like me (who are RL cash poor) WAY back against these kids who have no families and can just buy GTCs to fund pvp. As it is now, you have to do A LOT of sanctums and havens to match what someone with 35 bucks can get in seconds.



^^ The real reason CCP is doing this. Money. EVE is now officially unofficially funded by RMT.


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