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Levistus Junior
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:43:00 - [1771]
 

Originally by: MrCoolShades
This is ridiculous! So many complaints and not one comment from CCP. So much for the EVE universe being sculpted by the players. Actions speak louder than words people, cause CCP sure doesnt listen to its players anymore. Cancel alt accounts until this is fixed.


CCP never listens. Remember the Mothership changes?
Sometimes I think the devs that advocate such changes just don't have the guts to tell their bosses 'I was wrong, this was a bad idea' and would rather go through with them regardless of player feedback.

It's stupid to think alliances would go to war over plexing space. Plexing and ratting only affects the little guy, the grunt. Alliances as a whole and their leadership mostly care about moon income, because that's what keeps them running.

IMHO all this change will do is make people that don't have alternate income sources (trade, industry, botting, RMT etc) leave to high sec because they can't afford 0.0 life anymore.


Pod Bot90
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:49:00 - [1772]
 

Originally by: taycuna
GG. Already in process of downgrading from 5 accounts to 1 after reading the blogs. This is just the beginning, probably the next in line will be the patch with nerfing missions in the form of "Dynamic Agent Quality" ****. I will not ragequit but for a casual player will be hard to sustain 5 accounts now. In my case 1 acc will be more than enough.


well ill downgrade also. from 3 accounts to 1 account.
seems that ccp doesnt like money...
better make eve free to play, with bonus % on everithing for players with premium accounts(aka paid accounts)

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:51:00 - [1773]
 

Edited by: Xel Ra on 30/03/2011 16:55:28
Edited by: Xel Ra on 30/03/2011 16:53:37
Edited by: Xel Ra on 30/03/2011 16:53:09
If CCP had said they were doing this because they are losing too much money or because too much isk was entering the game through these faucets and nothing else would equal this emergency measure, I could accept it silently - I might not like it, but I could deal without firing off about it. But the fact that CCP claims this is being done to help the little guy out in nullsec or that nullsec needs a pvp boost is laughable to anyone who's actually living out there, as this threadnaught clearly illustrates.

I expect virtually none of the reasons why CCP has given as justification to pan out as they have claimed, and what's more, this is obvious. So, it's hard not to take it like a slap in the face. I don't know if Greyscale/CCP is trying to rationalize a quick and easy solution to the too much faucet problem or what, but the rationale being applied is just plain crap. Everyone in this thread knows it, too, and that's why you're getting the strong reaction, contrary to what the various trolls and empire-dwelling griefers would have you believe.

So, this isn't emo, this isn't sperging rage, this is very, very simple. There is an obvious incongruity between the reason given and the action. When I see bull****, I call it.

I'm not quitting Eve. I'll fall back on what was always the fallback plan upon moving out to null and move back temporarily to empire, if I can't make it work another way.

What I won't do is sacrifice my enjoyment of the game by joining one of the high-truesec, nullsec-established alliances with a member trolling in this thread like that Initiative guy, forcing myself to play with people I don't like, if I want to be out in null. Screw that. I'll find another way to have fun. That's why we chose to be tiny but independent renters in the first place, because, let's face it, there are some real jerk-offs in this game.

And the naysayers can denounce it all they like until they are blue in the face, but this is still a stupid move on CCPs part, if they really are doing it for the reasons given. End of story.

*Edited for grammar.

Lyrkra
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:58:00 - [1774]
 

Greyscale you ALL see that the community in large does not want the changes. Now show some balls and give up your really silly plan!

Elder Man
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:59:00 - [1775]
 

Greyscale,


Why in the hell do you guys always feel the necessity to nerf content when adding
content to the game. No wonder people buy isk. It's the same thing over and over again.
The game is somewhat stagnant yes, but this is not the way to gain any real expected activity.

1-1 is still 1. 1+1 is 2 , that's what we need here. Most of your expected results are
not going to materialize. You forget the people factor in all this.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:00:00 - [1776]
 

Originally by: Lev Aeris
Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 30/03/2011 16:24:18
New rule for this thread: anyone QQing about how PvPers in 0.0 wont be able to pay for their ships has to post a link to their own personal killboard to prove that they actually do any.

EDIT: Oh man, poor Lev Aeris with his 101 lifetime losses in 3 years. How will he possibly sc**** together the 77 million ISK per month he needs to sustain his losses now????
SadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSad


I'm going to disregard that you are just a troll here.

Read my post. Graduate the 5th grade. Read it again.

I never said anything about an end to pvp, I merely said it would be less frequent. Also note the lack of tears in my post. Maybe you see tears between the lines because you want to. Your delusions are not something that I can help you with. You will notice that I got by just fine before dominion, without sanctums.

Trying to make the discussion a personal **** flinging contest is ignorant and anti-social.



So are you straight up asserting that you personally will PvP less if this change goes through?

Or is this a case of being offended on behalf of other people?

MrCoolShades
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:02:00 - [1777]
 

Time to send Greyscale an email.

"In regards to your dev blog http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=883. I, as a paying customer to CCP, request that this change not be made and will cancel my subscription if it is."

Copy, paste and send from all alts you plan on canceling.

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:18:00 - [1778]
 

CCP Greyscale is my hero! +1 For this nerf, pre Dominion FTW!

northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:18:00 - [1779]
 

Originally by: Jack bubu
This threat feels like the "LVL 5 for lowsec only" devblog

nerf the isk printing heaven and all the carebears will come crying to the forum and threaten to cancel their accounts

(hint : they wont)

Laughing


Rolling Eyes I am not a carebear but some of this is used to gain plex and found their PVP ships. If this comes in and screws with my plex then I have no choice to leave EVE. Years I been playing EVE I don't wana leave because I have no fun in earning and try and fight some battles.

No thanks to high sec.


Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:20:00 - [1780]
 

Tell me my dear whiners. Can you prove that you actully PVP or just calling a lame gatecamp somewhere as PVP? If you loved to pvp you will barly hang around in sanctums, you would be out pew pewing most time you onlined.

It seems most of you dont meet this critea, you sit mostly in a sanctum to grind isk and when someone force you to pvp you bring a cheapass drake in massive blob. If you not in a massive blob and instead meet a equal gang you all get butcherd, whine about your stupid drakeloss and make it as an stupid excuse to sit and grind in a sanctum for 2 weeks.

Get a grip people lived in 0.0 before without sanctums and people will, you just some of the biggest crybaby on Internet ever. Eve have never been about beeing easy, go back to wow or something instead and focus on that pve content, cuz that is ahell lot of better then EvE

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:27:00 - [1781]
 

Edited by: Xel Ra on 30/03/2011 17:27:52
Edited by: Xel Ra on 30/03/2011 17:27:31
Originally by: Ace Frehley
Tell me my dear whiners. Can you prove that you actully PVP or just calling a lame gatecamp somewhere as PVP? If you loved to pvp you will barly hang around in sanctums, you would be out pew pewing most time you onlined.

It seems most of you dont meet this critea, you sit mostly in a sanctum to grind isk and when someone force you to pvp you bring a cheapass drake in massive blob. If you not in a massive blob and instead meet a equal gang you all get butcherd, whine about your stupid drakeloss and make it as an stupid excuse to sit and grind in a sanctum for 2 weeks.

Get a grip people lived in 0.0 before without sanctums and people will, you just some of the biggest crybaby on Internet ever. Eve have never been about beeing easy, go back to wow or something instead and focus on that pve content, cuz that is ahell lot of better then EvE


I just spent $1500 RL money on my first dedicated gaming computer (instead of playing on my laptop) so that I could pursue pvp'ing more aggressively, because living as a renter in nullsec allowed me to earn enough to fly a ship that could actually win battles. Before this my main was solo roaming in Tribute with a Stealth Bomber. So, your argument is ****.

Thycondor
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:35:00 - [1782]
 

jeezuz plz........ ccp collect your fees and taxes; stay out of null-sec politics; and go play w/ your incarna dolls

TrUeViLnAmI
Caldari
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:36:00 - [1783]
 

april fools cause if you go threw with this change your gonna ruin the smaller alliances ability to make isk .. way to go ccp . how bout you fix lag issues and crap like that b4 you start taking away from the lil guy .... i say "f the man"

xXMajor StilettoXx
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:42:00 - [1784]
 

whats eh fu... sh......t

Kievan Ariskana
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:42:00 - [1785]
 

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
Few things:
Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
- Had I joined back then I probably wouldn't have stayed -- you might be like "Fine," but CCP cares, they want money.

I wonder about that. CCP set out to create the MMO that THEY wanted to play, and when they've focused on making the game they wanted, the expansions were always well received.


If only they played their game.

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
- EVE was small back then as well, and the recent changes have encouraged more people (like myself) to actually play EVE. What do you think removing these beneficial changes will do?

People actually went and played Eve without sanctums, and they did it with eyes over their shoulders, adrenaline coursing through their veins and had fights that required nerves of ice to run properly, lest they lose too many ships that were difficult to replace. It was a different experience to the one you're used to, but people still played it BECAUSE it was thrilling.


Arent the Supercarriers of today the Battleships of back then?

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
- These changes hurt small alliances more than they help. Why would they take useless space that cannot sustain itself?

How does it hurt a small alliance to create a pocket where they don't need to feed into a superblock who only wants you for a meat shield?


It would be nice to be able to pay the monthly bill with the current systems output. If your best option is mining and production you will have an enemy fleet in your system everyday attacking your hulks/macks because they are 1337 pvpers.

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
- If even the middle ground nullsec systems are about on par with highsec why even consider moving to nullsec?

Because null-sec is about power. It's about playing with friends to take a chunk of space, claim it as your own, and then using the power you have in that space to take power away from other people. If you're only there to make money, you're there for all the wrong reasons.


So you admid you need to be part of a powerblock just to be out there.

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
- Alliances should be able to move freely in their own space. Large powerblocks exist because that's human nature. We are pack animals, we travel in groups. You can't overcome instinct with ****ty changes like these.

I postulate that you can, in fact, overcome instinct to flock by stimulating the instinct of greed and self preservation. If everyone's happy, people get along. If people aren't happy, they don't. I disagree about the free movement in their own space as well; free movement encourages sprawl, and history has shown that this is not good for the game's health and enjoyability.


Current opinion says that the proposed changed arent good for the games health and enjoyability either.

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
- Alliances paid for these upgrades, alliances paid for jump bridges and paid for pirate detection arrays, they invested thousands of hours of time into them. To have them taken away so easily is just BS. Why do anything in EVE if some idiot dev can just come along and be like "Ah I don't like that" and undo it all? When I pay for a game I expect some sort of security in what I do in it. I expect gradual changes where there is time to adapt but this is not gradual, it's quite extreme.
They aren't being taken away. Did you even read the blog? The highest end sites are being nerfed because they're too damn good. There's no reason to want better space.


They are when you happen to live in Pure B/Provi/etc

Originally by: Jennifer Gemini
- It's game. It's supposed to be fun. When it's not fun anymore it's time to quit. Period.

QFT

Sascha87
Gallente
Out-of-Space
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:47:00 - [1786]
 

Edited by: Sascha87 on 30/03/2011 17:49:03
Originally by: Lyrkra
Greyscale you ALL see that the community in large does not want the changes. Now show some balls and give up your really silly plan!

SIGN !!!!!

cpp , thats a bad April Joke . i hope .
boost the big Ally's with high end systems.
nerf the poor corp's with systems like -0.2 or something like that .

many people will give up ratting , and looking for new way's to make isk .
That will not change the live in zero space , exept the isk flow frome people that are not in systems with high end ano's.

did you realy thing that the people are going to make pew pew for sanctums, so have a look on - great wildlands , syndicate , venal ....
they dont have military lvl's there . and why are these people not in an combat ship , and try to get better space ???

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:49:00 - [1787]
 

Originally by: Xel Ra
Edited by: Xel Ra on 30/03/2011 17:27:52
Edited by: Xel Ra on 30/03/2011 17:27:31
Originally by: Ace Frehley
Tell me my dear whiners. Can you prove that you actully PVP or just calling a lame gatecamp somewhere as PVP? If you loved to pvp you will barly hang around in sanctums, you would be out pew pewing most time you onlined.

It seems most of you dont meet this critea, you sit mostly in a sanctum to grind isk and when someone force you to pvp you bring a cheapass drake in massive blob. If you not in a massive blob and instead meet a equal gang you all get butcherd, whine about your stupid drakeloss and make it as an stupid excuse to sit and grind in a sanctum for 2 weeks.

Get a grip people lived in 0.0 before without sanctums and people will, you just some of the biggest crybaby on Internet ever. Eve have never been about beeing easy, go back to wow or something instead and focus on that pve content, cuz that is ahell lot of better then EvE


I just spent $1500 RL money on my first dedicated gaming computer (instead of playing on my laptop) so that I could pursue pvp'ing more aggressively, because living as a renter in nullsec allowed me to earn enough to fly a ship that could actually win battles. Before this my main was solo roaming in Tribute with a Stealth Bomber. So, your argument is ****.


Awesome. So you haven't really PvP'd much and you think you need expensive ships to "actually win battles".

Man I'm not even gonna argue with you. Easier to let you learn by yourself.

bp920091
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:50:00 - [1788]
 

What is rather of sad about this thread is that if you take a look at who in the playerbase is supporting this change vs opposing it, the numbers make sense. The people who support this are either deeply integrated into 0.0 alliances that hold GOOD 0.0 space and will be benefited by this change, or they run about in lowsec and to a lesser extent highsec. While there are very few examples of people who do not fufill these qualifications, they are few and far between (less than 20 in a 1700+ post thread). Try going to http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/index.php (battleclinic's main killboard) and looking up these people who are for this change, see for yourself. This change affects NONE of them directly, and yet they feel the need to say this is a good change.

Alliances have put BILLIONS into upgrading their space, and CCP is basically taking it away for reasons that never lasted the first 10 pages (probably less, but i will give them a little bit more credit) of this thread. This change is simply a shameless ploy by CCP to get more plex out of the EVE community. If you will, please note that this blog stays out of the newsletter, when it is one of the biggest changes that they have made in MONTHS, barely even giving note to the fact that this comment thread has reached SIXTY PAGES, with about 90% of the comments having a NEGATIVE feeling about this change.

I personally hate this change because of how i play, call me a carebear if you will. I run sanctums for 3-4 hours each week to get enough cash to go PVP. I dont care if i lose the ships, but i simply do not have six times the available time for me to go run anoms, making the same amount of cash to go pvp.

There have been many different suggestions that would get the intended results, yet they have largely either been ignored by most people in this thread, or completely ignored by people in CCP. however, if CCP feels that this change is necissary for 0.0 and they say that they have models that show it would be so, please POST these models so we can actually see reasons for it that make sense, otherwise, like a corpmate of mine always says, "Links or it didn't happen."

This feels exactly like what it is, a Tech 2 kick to the groin by CCP to all 0.0 people but the ones that hold good moons/good 0.0 space.

Jennifer Gemini
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:53:00 - [1789]
 

Originally by: Ace Frehley
Tell me my dear whiners. Can you prove that you actully PVP or just calling a lame gatecamp somewhere as PVP? If you loved to pvp you will barly hang around in sanctums, you would be out pew pewing most time you onlined.

It seems most of you dont meet this critea, you sit mostly in a sanctum to grind isk and when someone force you to pvp you bring a cheapass drake in massive blob. If you not in a massive blob and instead meet a equal gang you all get butcherd, whine about your stupid drakeloss and make it as an stupid excuse to sit and grind in a sanctum for 2 weeks.

Get a grip people lived in 0.0 before without sanctums and people will, you just some of the biggest crybaby on Internet ever. Eve have never been about beeing easy, go back to wow or something instead and focus on that pve content, cuz that is ahell lot of better then EvE


Your argument is flawed. How do we earn ISK to buy ships to PVP in if we can't run sanctums? Should we make another account to run missions in highsec on? Why should we do that?

Here's what I'm seeing:
- Old players with lots of ISK / people living in the systems getting buffed by this love the change because they'll be making even more ISK.
- New players / people living in systems not getting buffed by this hate the change. So newer player have no other choice but to go back to highsec. If you cannot sustain PVP losses you cannot live in null.
- Small alliances that this is supposed to benefit are saying it totally screws them, yet CCP seems to completely ignore this. Making space crappy so no one wants it means NO ONE wants it. Small, medium and large alliances. NO ONE wants it, large alliances will take it simply because they can -- but it will go unused. Being in a large alliance I'm not really affected in a very significant way by this change, but it screws over a lot of people that would have normally had a shot.
- I was just told in game by my old highsec alliance that they no longer have any shot at really getting into null now.
- No wars are going to be waged over ratting space. Alliances only care about moons. This change only hurts newer players living in null, forcing them back into highsec.
- CCP proving yet again that there is no point in investing time and ISK into something just so they can nerf it later. Why even bother anymore? What's next, moons? w-space? Why should I even bother trying to really get into something when CCP will probably just nerf it in a few months.

And yet everyone for this change jumping up and down saying how awesome it is and everything provides no proof. I've seen several posts by smaller alliances that just came right out and said this screws them over hard. How is this helpful?

Greyscale, you say you know this is "better", what makes you qualified to know that, who are you? Do you live in null? Do you even play the game? Really, I don't know what to think. I'd prefer not to think you're a total moron, but you're making it really hard to think otherwise. I guess once subs drop you'll know it was a bad idea and you'll undo it. Keep in mind there mister CCP dev man sir, a lot of people pay with PLEX or month to month so you aren't getting cancellation notices from them. I wonder how many cancellation requests have already went through? I talked to a few people that said they were quitting but they all use PLEX so I guess you won't actually know about those until their subs are up and they don't renew.


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I did it, others have done it, lets get the point across. It's time to stop talking and start taking action.

Mihai1
Caldari
Heaven's Army
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:57:00 - [1790]
 

-8 accounts (-120 euro per month, 1440 eurp per year)
seya next expansion if your blood arrive to ccp brains

mumulescu gheorghe
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:58:00 - [1791]
 

If you leave it like this you just buff BOTS and kick away players :( is so stupid .... what will happen, correct me if I am wrong :

- may small corps and alliances will leave 0.0 space within small bands
- bots will move there because they make belts anyway
- bots make more money
- players make less money
- players will buy isk from bots !!

is just stupid

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 17:58:00 - [1792]
 

No, seriously though. Virtually all the people crying about how this change will "ruin PvP" or whatever are blatantly no kind of PvPers themselves and never will be. Check the facts before you listen to them.

Even the few that do actually participate have losses so light that 3 hours of casual belt-ratting a month will replace those losses, and that's assuming that their alliances don't do any reimbursement at all. Which most of them do.

Let's be frank here: the outrage in this thread largely originates from full-time sanctum huggers who are stockpiling ISK for a supercap to let them run sanctums even harder, just like they used to run level 4s in Motsu to buy X-type fitted Golems in order to run level 4s even more. It has absolutely nothing to do with "PvP" because they wouldn't know what PvP was if it gave them a business card that had "I am PvP" on it. Most of their alliances will almost certainly be glad to see the back of such CTA-dodging deadweight and their "fifty accounts" (all paid for by doing nothing but run Sanctums)

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:01:00 - [1793]
 

Edited by: Xel Ra on 30/03/2011 18:02:22
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Xel Ra
Edited by: Xel Ra on 30/03/2011 17:27:52
Edited by: Xel Ra on 30/03/2011 17:27:31
Originally by: Ace Frehley
Tell me my dear whiners. Can you prove that you actully PVP or just calling a lame gatecamp somewhere as PVP? If you loved to pvp you will barly hang around in sanctums, you would be out pew pewing most time you onlined.

It seems most of you dont meet this critea, you sit mostly in a sanctum to grind isk and when someone force you to pvp you bring a cheapass drake in massive blob. If you not in a massive blob and instead meet a equal gang you all get butcherd, whine about your stupid drakeloss and make it as an stupid excuse to sit and grind in a sanctum for 2 weeks.

Get a grip people lived in 0.0 before without sanctums and people will, you just some of the biggest crybaby on Internet ever. Eve have never been about beeing easy, go back to wow or something instead and focus on that pve content, cuz that is ahell lot of better then EvE


I just spent $1500 RL money on my first dedicated gaming computer (instead of playing on my laptop) so that I could pursue pvp'ing more aggressively, because living as a renter in nullsec allowed me to earn enough to fly a ship that could actually win battles. Before this my main was solo roaming in Tribute with a Stealth Bomber. So, your argument is ****.


Awesome. So you haven't really PvP'd much and you think you need expensive ships to "actually win battles".

Man I'm not even gonna argue with you. Easier to let you learn by yourself.


Wrong. I know for a fact that it's almost always expensive ships that kill me in nullsec. If you think I'm going to solo roam in nullsec in a BC and last for long, everyone in this thread will be laughing at you. But then, most of your fraidy pants kills are in low sec, so I guess you wouldn't know much about it.

What else can we see by looking at your killboard? Oh, you fly a Proteus in pvp, yet your going to preach against the need for money. Way to put your money where your mouth is buddy, but maybe next time you should reach for your foot.

That's your best argument? I saw that coming from before I even posted. Please, don't waste my time scrub.

Pod Bot90
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:03:00 - [1794]
 

Originally by: bp920091
This change is simply a shameless ploy by CCP to get more plex out of the EVE community.

i really doubt that
less isk ingame = less plex bought
less plex bought = lower the price of plex extremely.
lower the price of plex = people with isk credit cards wownt buy plex any more to sell them on the market because it just wownt be worth it and they will do rmt (get isk from bot farmers)
or this or its "no thinking" days for ccp

Jennifer Gemini
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:08:00 - [1795]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
No, seriously though. Virtually all the people crying about how this change will "ruin PvP" or whatever are blatantly no kind of PvPers themselves and never will be. Check the facts before you listen to them.

Even the few that do actually participate have losses so light that 3 hours of casual belt-ratting a month will replace those losses, and that's assuming that their alliances don't do any reimbursement at all. Which most of them do.

I'd like to fly more expensive ships, but I was just getting to the point where I could do that in a reasonable amount of time. This change undoes that and basically sets me back months. Why shouldn't I be upset?

Originally by: Malcanis
Let's be frank here: the outrage in this thread largely originates from full-time sanctum huggers who are stockpiling ISK for a supercap to let them run sanctums even harder, just like they used to run level 4s in Motsu to buy X-type fitted Golems in order to run level 4s even more. It has absolutely nothing to do with "PvP" because they wouldn't know what PvP was if it gave them a business card that had "I am PvP" on it. Most of their alliances will almost certainly be glad to see the back of such CTA-dodging deadweight and their "fifty accounts" (all paid for by doing nothing but run Sanctums)

I pay for my accounts with cashmoney thank you very much. My -5 accounts is literally 5*15 a month CCP is losing, more actually because I also bought and sold PLEX for ISK. I currently don't do much PVP because I'm still not yet at the point where I can do anoms quickly enough to generate serious income. I was hoping some day I could make enough ISK to buy PLEX and do what others do, but that's basically out the window now. So what goals do I have now? I feel like I'm back to day 1 having no idea what I want to do in EVE, and I don't feel like starting over. I finally find a comfortable spot where I'm having fun and making ISK and everything is great just to have CCP yank the rug out from under me.

I'm done arguing, debating, etc about this. What's done is done, either CCP is going to do it or they aren't. If they do it, I guess I'll see you all in some other game with (hopefully) less stupid developers.

Xel Ra
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:08:00 - [1796]
 

Awesome. So you haven't really PvP'd much and you think you need expensive ships to "actually win battles".

Man I'm not even gonna argue with you. Easier to let you learn by yourself.


Wrong. I know for a fact that it's almost always expensive ships that kill me in nullsec. If you think I'm going to solo roam in nullsec in a BC and last for long, everyone in this thread will be laughing at you. But then, most of your fraidy pants kills are in low sec, so I guess you wouldn't know much about it.

What else can we see by looking at your killboard? Oh, you fly a Proteus in pvp, yet your going to preach against the need for money. Way to put your money where your mouth is buddy, but maybe next time you should reach for your foot.

That's your best argument? I saw that coming from before I even posted. Please, don't waste my time scrub.



LOL

Not only are your kills all in lowsec, they are all in the _same system_ of lowsec, where your boyfriends all hang out. Thanks for the laugh, you pathetic empire hugging troll.

bp920091
Killer Koalas
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:14:00 - [1797]
 

Originally by: Pod Bot90
Originally by: bp920091
This change is simply a shameless ploy by CCP to get more plex out of the EVE community.

i really doubt that
less isk ingame = less plex bought
less plex bought = lower the price of plex extremely.
lower the price of plex = people with isk credit cards wownt buy plex any more to sell them on the market because it just wownt be worth it and they will do rmt (get isk from bot farmers)
or this or its "no thinking" days for ccp


oh, i do not disagree with you in regards to the price of plex going down, i know that the price of plex will go down, but it will eventually level off again, maybe 50-100M less than it is, it will never go down to 0, or even remotely close to it. This is a simple supply/demand function. Supply is greater, demand remains the same or decreases slightly. The price will decrease, but buying plex will get you less and less money until it stabilizes.

Even further proof of CCP trying to get more plex out of the EVE community is the tab on the character sheet for buying plex. We didnt have that before, did we. I am not sure whether CCP has thought this through though. I will agree with a post above that CCP saw the Eve news 24 article about people buying HUGE amount of isk with cash and they wanted on it.

Rather sad, ive cancelled one of my 2 accounts for now, citing the reason as this devblog since CCP wont even bother listening to their players that will be affected by this change. maybe i will resubscribe it when they get their act together and form coherent thoughts for changes.

Proats
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:18:00 - [1798]
 

Guys, guys, you're getting worked up over nothing. This is clearly an April Fool's prank. CCP can't possibly that dumb.

Spartan dax
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:21:00 - [1799]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
No, seriously though. Virtually all the people crying about how this change will "ruin PvP" or whatever are blatantly no kind of PvPers themselves and never will be. Check the facts before you listen to them.

Even the few that do actually participate have losses so light that 3 hours of casual belt-ratting a month will replace those losses, and that's assuming that their alliances don't do any reimbursement at all. Which most of them do.

Let's be frank here: the outrage in this thread largely originates from full-time sanctum huggers who are stockpiling ISK for a supercap to let them run sanctums even harder, just like they used to run level 4s in Motsu to buy X-type fitted Golems in order to run level 4s even more. It has absolutely nothing to do with "PvP" because they wouldn't know what PvP was if it gave them a business card that had "I am PvP" on it. Most of their alliances will almost certainly be glad to see the back of such CTA-dodging deadweight and their "fifty accounts" (all paid for by doing nothing but run Sanctums)


Lulz. Malcanis telling the truth in his usual succint way.

Gariboldi Phiron
Posted - 2011.03.30 18:21:00 - [1800]
 

Quote:
You are forcing people out from 0.0 back to the empire to do missions

QFT

L4 missions are already nearly as profitable as anomalies and (other than during war decs) they are far safer to do. Everyone will naturally gravitate to the most profitable use of their time (that they can stand doing) and removing anoms will just shift that right back to the previous king of isk grinding.

I wish the players could fire one ccp staffer a year for being a moron, because Greyscale would get my vote this year.


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