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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:34:00 - [1741]
 

Originally by: Skaarl
a) not going to comment as its a matter of opinion more than fact, mine is that we wouldnt attack friends over better ratting space.

The plebs can feel it in the air that it is coming despite the best of promises to always BFF, it is why even those sitting on good space are going QQ.

When even alliances have difficulties internally dividing up space...

Originally by: Skaarl
b) thank you for proving my point. these are not my assumptions. read the dev blog. these are ccp greyscales assumptions and the foundtaion of his whole argument. his theory is that alliances who moved into crap space post dominion are setting up shop, so to encourage them to contest for more valuable ratting space they are nerfing the current space. i like how even while trolling me you manage to prove my point. noone is going to attack the previously mentioned alliances to get their good true sec ratting space. this will then in turn not open up the "bad" space for high sec alliances who want to move in. its just not going to happen.

Thanks for confirming you don't get it. Please continue raging, it warms my heart.

Skaarl
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:34:00 - [1742]
 

Originally by: Mistress Frome
God damn. If you're so worried about not being able to stay in PvP ships with the changes, maybe you should ask your NC overlords to allow you to run anoms in their space? Maybe even ask them to distribute a little of that tech money to your corp/alliance in exchange for fighting under them? If they're unwilling to do so, maybe you should stop fighting for them and go do your own thing or find someone who is willing to take care of those under them.


im quite happy under the nc thank you very much. and you are missing another of the points. how is moving into crap space, if it is going to remain crap in any way allow for an alliance to grow to the point where it can challenge any of the bigger entities for better ratting space??? (see how greysacles whole argument falls apart with those last 4 words?)

Better Than You
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:36:00 - [1743]
 

Originally by: Mistress Frome
God damn. If you're so worried about not being able to stay in PvP ships with the changes, maybe you should ask your NC overlords to allow you to run anoms in their space? Maybe even ask them to distribute a little of that tech money to your corp/alliance in exchange for fighting under them? If they're unwilling to do so, maybe you should stop fighting for them and go do your own thing or find someone who is willing to take care of those under them.


You are so dumb. Nothing CCP can do will make us fight our friends. We have been there for each other in think and thin and just because you fail left and right you think we should be miserable like you too? Get a ****ing clue buddy.

The only thing this will do is cause thousands upon thousands of players to quit the game. So good job. Can't beat them then change the mechanics to make them leave then you can have your, "I'm the best!" dance when in fact no one else was there to compete with you.

Why don't you go hack the local window about it? I feel sad for PL. Only time they can actually come out on top is when they cheat. Another reason I am glad DUST 514 will only be on consoles. To keep cheating auto-aim bot losers like you from hacking the game.

Skaarl
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:37:00 - [1744]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Skaarl
a) not going to comment as its a matter of opinion more than fact, mine is that we wouldnt attack friends over better ratting space.

The plebs can feel it in the air that it is coming despite the best of promises to always BFF, it is why even those sitting on good space are going QQ.

When even alliances have difficulties internally dividing up space...

Originally by: Skaarl
b) thank you for proving my point. these are not my assumptions. read the dev blog. these are ccp greyscales assumptions and the foundtaion of his whole argument. his theory is that alliances who moved into crap space post dominion are setting up shop, so to encourage them to contest for more valuable ratting space they are nerfing the current space. i like how even while trolling me you manage to prove my point. noone is going to attack the previously mentioned alliances to get their good true sec ratting space. this will then in turn not open up the "bad" space for high sec alliances who want to move in. its just not going to happen.


yeah. im the one who doesnt get it. and yet you left out the quotes of your previous post. you know, the one where trying to troll you proved my point for me? so not only are you obviously a troll, but a fairly fail troll at that.

Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:37:00 - [1745]
 

Originally by: Skaarl
Originally by: Mistress Frome
God damn. If you're so worried about not being able to stay in PvP ships with the changes, maybe you should ask your NC overlords to allow you to run anoms in their space? Maybe even ask them to distribute a little of that tech money to your corp/alliance in exchange for fighting under them? If they're unwilling to do so, maybe you should stop fighting for them and go do your own thing or find someone who is willing to take care of those under them.


im quite happy under the nc thank you very much. and you are missing another of the points. how is moving into crap space, if it is going to remain crap in any way allow for an alliance to grow to the point where it can challenge any of the bigger entities for better ratting space??? (see how greysacles whole argument falls apart with those last 4 words?)


A better question is how you plan on challenging anyone if the only thing your recruits care about is making money.

Better Than You
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:44:00 - [1746]
 

Originally by: Mistress Frome
A better question is how you plan on challenging anyone if the only thing your recruits care about is making money.


It is not a hard concept you know. No money means no PvP ships to have fun it.

Trolling comment removed - Adida

Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:45:00 - [1747]
 

Originally by: Better Than You
Originally by: Mistress Frome
God damn. If you're so worried about not being able to stay in PvP ships with the changes, maybe you should ask your NC overlords to allow you to run anoms in their space? Maybe even ask them to distribute a little of that tech money to your corp/alliance in exchange for fighting under them? If they're unwilling to do so, maybe you should stop fighting for them and go do your own thing or find someone who is willing to take care of those under them.


You are so dumb. Nothing CCP can do will make us fight our friends. We have been there for each other in think and thin and just because you fail left and right you think we should be miserable like you too? Get a ****ing clue buddy.

The only thing this will do is cause thousands upon thousands of players to quit the game. So good job. Can't beat them then change the mechanics to make them leave then you can have your, "I'm the best!" dance when in fact no one else was there to compete with you.

Why don't you go hack the local window about it? I feel sad for PL. Only time they can actually come out on top is when they cheat. Another reason I am glad DUST 514 will only be on consoles. To keep cheating auto-aim bot losers like you from hacking the game.



Explain how making a reasonable request is a fight.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:49:00 - [1748]
 

Originally by: Better Than You
Originally by: Mistress Frome
A better question is how you plan on challenging anyone if the only thing your recruits care about is making money.


[moron]It is not a hard concept you know. No money means no PvP ships to have fun it. What part of this equation goes over your tiny brain?[/maroon]

There is a breed of internet spaceship pilots you have probably never met before, or if you have you never understood what they represented.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:49:00 - [1749]
 

Originally by: Mistress Frome
Originally by: Skaarl
Originally by: Mistress Frome
God damn. If you're so worried about not being able to stay in PvP ships with the changes, maybe you should ask your NC overlords to allow you to run anoms in their space? Maybe even ask them to distribute a little of that tech money to your corp/alliance in exchange for fighting under them? If they're unwilling to do so, maybe you should stop fighting for them and go do your own thing or find someone who is willing to take care of those under them.


im quite happy under the nc thank you very much. and you are missing another of the points. how is moving into crap space, if it is going to remain crap in any way allow for an alliance to grow to the point where it can challenge any of the bigger entities for better ratting space??? (see how greysacles whole argument falls apart with those last 4 words?)


A better question is how you plan on challenging anyone if the only thing your recruits care about is making money.


That is the last thing I would expect a mercenary to say.

FourFiftyFour
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:50:00 - [1750]
 

Here's a thought for everyone who is :sadpanda: about getting their income nerfed for the sake of saving the whole damn economy.

Scan down WH's. Run the sites. It's lucrative especially if you run C3's or higher.

Iveran
Amarr
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:52:00 - [1751]
 

I'm sure it's already been said a few times... but I'll echo it anyways.

This change will end my subscription to Eve Online (no, you can't have my ****). The only valid reason I can see that CCP wants to push this change through, against the will of the players, is to force you to buy more plex to sustain your 0.0 pew habbits.

Just think about it... Once this change goes into effect it'll be like taking drugs from people who are heavily addicted to them and the withdraw effects of that will be more plex purchases... hahahaha

And after watching some of the Fanfest vids, CCP will be taking control of the Plex market to maintain their value during this influx of plex stock.

Nice business plan there CCP...

Jack bubu
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.03.30 15:56:00 - [1752]
 

This threat feels like the "LVL 5 for lowsec only" devblog

nerf the isk printing heaven and all the carebears will come crying to the forum and threaten to cancel their accounts

(hint : they wont)

Laughing

Kalothea
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:02:00 - [1753]
 

Originally by: Iveran
This change will end my subscription to Eve Online (no, you can't have my ****). The only valid reason I can see that CCP wants to push this change through, against the will of the players, is to force you to buy more plex to sustain your 0.0 pew habbits.

Just think about it... Once this change goes into effect it'll be like taking drugs from people who are heavily addicted to them and the withdraw effects of that will be more plex purchases... hahahaha

And after watching some of the Fanfest vids, CCP will be taking control of the Plex market to maintain their value during this influx of plex stock.

Nice business plan there CCP...


I tend to agree with this. Someone else earlier in the thread mentioned that the real reason for CCP's doing this was to increase the reliance on PLEX. I think this completes the pictures. They want more plex being converted to ISK to maintain PvP rather than ISK being converted to subscriptions. That way, real money is spent both on maintaining accounts (that were otherwise maintained with PLEX) and the PLEXes bought are now being converted to expendable isk instead.

Ignatius Gnarl
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:02:00 - [1754]
 

reward/risk
How it should be: nullsec > lowsec > hisec
How it will be: hisec > (most of) nullsec ~ lowsec

I don't care if I can only make 100k an hour in a -1.0 system if the alternative is 5k an hour in hisec. I would love EVE to be tougher, with more focus on the lower end ships and the top end stuff being very rare and special. What bugs me is the above inequality is totally out of whack.

UberDeathDealer
Steel Fleet
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:02:00 - [1755]
 

So instead of actually fixing stuff we get this.. GG

Derth Ramir
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:03:00 - [1756]
 

You all say this won't make people start wars... But you are all ****ed off that you won't have these sights anymore. Looks like its working.Twisted EvilTwisted Evil

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:03:00 - [1757]
 

Originally by: Iveran
I'm sure it's already been said a few times... but I'll echo it anyways.

This change will end my subscription to Eve Online (no, you can't have my ****). The only valid reason I can see that CCP wants to push this change through, against the will of the players, is to force you to buy more plex to sustain your 0.0 pew habbits.

Just think about it... Once this change goes into effect it'll be like taking drugs from people who are heavily addicted to them and the withdraw effects of that will be more plex purchases... hahahaha

And after watching some of the Fanfest vids, CCP will be taking control of the Plex market to maintain their value during this influx of plex stock.

Nice business plan there CCP...


You ******, how did I make isk before dominion,and I always almost lived in 0.0 or beeing a pirate, and I have never sold a single gamecard. You just plain lazy stupid carebear that just wanna play easymode in a sanctum. You make us all happy by cancel your account cuz you dont give us anything in eve besides whining and hide in a sanctum.

Try wormholes, try run a pos, build and sell stuff to the 0.0 market, their are pleanty of ways.

Klam
Amarr
FACTS on EVE
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:04:00 - [1758]
 

Originally by: R0RSCH4CH
Edited by: R0RSCH4CH on 30/03/2011 15:32:50
Well, maybe time for giving perpetuum a try :)

EvE with Mechs.

Linky


Interesting... It's not just an MMO with Mechs ... it really is Eve Style MMO with Mechs. Thanks for the link.

iaunplexneamule
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:10:00 - [1759]
 

First thing: CCP fails again because people ill leave null sec(renters, small alliances)and about the pvp part there will be no pvp because you cant fight big coalitions and alliances.
Second thing: People will cancel/sell subscriptions/characters and the player base will diminish(no more money income for CCP from plexes/GTC's)
Third thing: CCP you're digging your own grave cause players will search for an alternative game or quit for good.
Conclusion: Developers from CCP get your senses back in place and make a better game not a bad one because you more and more intentionaly trying to nerf the isk income and ruin.

As for my self i will see how this game will evolve after 5th april and if its sucks i will sell my 3 chars and find another game. To bad that people sent years to make chars to play the game and so on. i cant wait the day when eve goes f2p and when that day comes you will know that its the end of eve online like a lot of other games outhere.
I hope CCP doesnt make the same mistake as other developers did.

Lev Aeris
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:12:00 - [1760]
 

Originally by: Jack bubu
This threat feels like the "LVL 5 for lowsec only" devblog

nerf the isk printing heaven and all the carebears will come crying to the forum and threaten to cancel their accounts

(hint : they wont)

Laughing


Maybe. There is a pretty big difference between an empire mission runner and someone that pves in null sec.

The high sec guy will almost never lose a ship, as they will never take a risk. Any nerf to their income really only means waiting a little longer to get that officer cap recharger on their golem.

The nullsec types, believe it or not, tend to use their bearing procedes to buy pvp equipment. Nerfing their income will mean less frequent pvp. It will also help to reinforce the blobing / risk free pvp types as losing assets becomes all the more painful.

There is a 3rd type in there, the guys that have lived in null before and during dominion. They know that yes, you can live in null without these nice upgraded anoms. It means less dense population and more time spent away from your empire to fund activities.

Also, token mention to the pay to win guys that just buy plex to fund their pvp.

The end result, imo, is a lower nullsec population (why live somewhere where resources are more scarce than Motsu and is less secure?). Lower population means less potential targets and less conflict.


Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:16:00 - [1761]
 

Originally by: Lev Aeris
Originally by: Jack bubu
This threat feels like the "LVL 5 for lowsec only" devblog

nerf the isk printing heaven and all the carebears will come crying to the forum and threaten to cancel their accounts

(hint : they wont)

Laughing


Maybe. There is a pretty big difference between an empire mission runner and someone that pves in null sec.





Insofar as the posts in this thread go... no, sorry, not seeing a difference.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:19:00 - [1762]
 

Edited by: Malcanis on 30/03/2011 16:24:18
New rule for this thread: anyone QQing about how PvPers in 0.0 wont be able to pay for their ships has to post a link to their own personal killboard to prove that they actually do any.

EDIT: Oh man, poor Lev Aeris with his 101 lifetime losses in 3 years. How will he possibly sc**** together the 77 million ISK per month he needs to sustain his losses now???? SadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSad

taycuna
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:22:00 - [1763]
 

GG. Already in process of downgrading from 5 accounts to 1 after reading the blogs. This is just the beginning, probably the next in line will be the patch with nerfing missions in the form of "Dynamic Agent Quality" ****. I will not ragequit but for a casual player will be hard to sustain 5 accounts now. In my case 1 acc will be more than enough.

Sarina Rhoda
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:23:00 - [1764]
 

Overall I think the proposed changes are pretty good.

I don’t fully agree with greyscales predictions about how things will change but I like the idea of different regions having different value.

The main issue people seem to be QQ’ing about is certain regions being worthless. THIS IS NOT TRUE those regions where not worthless before dominion and they will not be worthless after the proposed changes.

There is an issue about high sec L4 income but I believe that is a whole separate issue that needs to be addressed. HS L4 income is an issue for low sec as well as null sec.

There is still tons of money to be made in null sec from probing, belt ratting, gas mining, wh ing. 6/10 drops from hubs etc, etc.

I do how ever feel that the proposal will only truly work/add value to null sec if implement with:-
extra plex sites (link) ,
a player proposal of moongoo depleting/moving (link)
and cyno spool up time/cap jump nerf/ jump bridge nerf (link).

I also think they should tie the anomaly graded below haven (which will be the top tier anoms for non-sanctum/haven systems) to dropping 8/10s (or soon to be created 8/10s).

Will you make as much as the “rich” regions ? no. But why should you? Big fat alliances that can hold stupid amounts of space should be able to hoard the best areas leaving the crappy stuff to who ever wants to pick it up.

As said though high sec L4 income making is something that needs to be addressed though as part of an overall risk/reward and high/low/null sec balancing issue.

But over all +1 greyscales ideas (even though I think he is a tad to over optimistic on the effect of these changes).

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:26:00 - [1765]
 

Originally by: taycuna
GG. Already in process of downgrading from 5 accounts to 1 after reading the blogs. This is just the beginning, probably the next in line will be the patch with nerfing missions in the form of "Dynamic Agent Quality" ****. I will not ragequit but for a casual player will be hard to sustain 5 accounts now. In my case 1 acc will be more than enough.


Your search - battleclinic killboard taycuna - did not match any documents.

MrCoolShades
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:32:00 - [1766]
 

This is ridiculous! So many complaints and not one comment from CCP. So much for the EVE universe being sculpted by the players. Actions speak louder than words people, cause CCP sure doesnt listen to its players anymore. Cancel alt accounts until this is fixed.

taycuna
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:32:00 - [1767]
 

I had a good laugh after reading " search battleclinic..." Laughing

JasonKuehn
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:35:00 - [1768]
 

It is just me or is every single dev blog seem like it's a bigger troll than the one before it?

I just canceled my 2nd account and I'm not sure how much longer I'll keep my main. TBH, I really don't care about anomalies at all as I make my isk by playing the market. But over the past few years CCP has continually let itself get more and more out of touch with the players to the point that I just no longer have any faith in their ability to make this game go any direction but further down hill.

It's really sad. This was an outstanding game at one time. Now it's just a source of consistently increasing disappointment. Crying or Very sad

Lev Aeris
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:38:00 - [1769]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 30/03/2011 16:24:18
New rule for this thread: anyone QQing about how PvPers in 0.0 wont be able to pay for their ships has to post a link to their own personal killboard to prove that they actually do any.

EDIT: Oh man, poor Lev Aeris with his 101 lifetime losses in 3 years. How will he possibly sc**** together the 77 million ISK per month he needs to sustain his losses now????
SadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSad


I'm going to disregard that you are just a troll here.

Read my post. Graduate the 5th grade. Read it again.

I never said anything about an end to pvp, I merely said it would be less frequent. Also note the lack of tears in my post. Maybe you see tears between the lines because you want to. Your delusions are not something that I can help you with. You will notice that I got by just fine before dominion, without sanctums.

Trying to make the discussion a personal **** flinging contest is ignorant and anti-social.

Skaarl
Posted - 2011.03.30 16:40:00 - [1770]
 

i just like how all of the people who are "for" this change are for it due to thousands of reasons... none of which are because this change will actually accomplish the stated goals. there have been hundreds of replies on exactly why it WON'T cause the sequence of events that greyscale has predicted, namely that alliances who moved into "crap" null sec post dominion will pick up, move and attack much more powerful, established entities over the true security of their ratting space. remember this is the foundation of CCP greyscale's whole plan for opening up more 0.0 for "new" entities. which will then be faced with an even harder time growing into a bigger entity as they will have no income stream with which to work. Now i will admit, i have not read every single post in here, but on the 30ish pages of replies i have read i have not seen one logical explanation of exactly how CCP Greyscales changes will actually get one alliance to move and attack one of the bigger alliances to obtain better ratting space. it is a totally bogus argument.



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