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Duvida
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:09:00 - [1471]
 

I'm glad Selpy brought up the ISK/PLEX topic, the resulting conversation filled in blanks for me on how PLEX functions.

Sli'co Scoser
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:10:00 - [1472]
 

Apparently this goes live April 5th, so if you're affected, farm while you still can.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:11:00 - [1473]
 

Originally by: mkmin
I'm still looking for the specific timeline CCP has to realize that this is ****ing stupid. I kinda wish it was within a week so I could just cancel my accounts before it becomes time to resub. Would suck to have to wait a few months until the next expansion to know whether or not to quit permanently. Hell, maybe it's a good idea to just quit permanently anyway to get out of the CCP drama bull**** cluster**** cycle. If this change goes through it's CCP saying we're all wasting our time with this game, because the time will count for nothing.


http://www.eveonline.com/en/incursion/features

Pay attention to Incursion 1.4 features and timeline for being deployed. I really don't think they could have aborted the nerf if they'd wanted to.

-Liang

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:31:00 - [1474]
 

Originally by: Sli'co Scoser
Apparently this goes live April 5th, so if you're affected, farm while you still can.


Farm while I can? I'm not going to log in until I know whether or not the sub is worth keeping. I'm so freakin' glad it's only a week. That'll save me some $ on subs (yes I pay with $ rather than isk.)

Cyn0 A17
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:36:00 - [1475]
 

Edited by: Cyn0 A17 on 29/03/2011 20:37:30
So adapting means get an alt to run missions in highsec for only 10% less isk per hour than pre-nerf and alot more post nerf.

So whats a good highsec corp to run missions for.(that nerf is not comming anytime soon)Razz

Also all of 0.0 is just as risky except for maby -1.0 were you can run into an officer (almost 0% chance) and get face ****ed by it. This screws over the small alliance, but the big blocks dont care and live off tech to fund alliance and has enough space for players to rat in.

Also simi-afk cloaky hotdropers need a nerf. No counter and can get a fleet that can counter your standing fleet and engage when they want when ever they want at almost 0 risk. Also they get the surprise factor after they been afk in system for several hours. This will get far worse once everyone is compressed into a few systems. Simi-afk means they check the game every so often for a target and standing hostile fleet comp/numbers but mostly afk. Also removing local and having to rely on d-scanner is useless for it doesnt tell you who it is; is that vaga a blue going somewere or warping to your sanctum (which do not need to be probed out btw) to gank you.

Vala Cora
Gallente
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:42:00 - [1476]
 

Bravo CCP Bravo way to go, you've really screwed the pooch on this one.

Frodo Teabaggins
Minmatar
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:42:00 - [1477]
 

To CCP: good. im glad you stuck with the plan.

To... everyone else: tee hee.

otherwise, a good change. its good to see EVE becoming just a bit harder.

Gabriel Grimoire
Amarr
Ascendent.
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:42:00 - [1478]
 

Edited by: Gabriel Grimoire on 29/03/2011 20:42:35
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: mkmin
I'm still looking for the specific timeline CCP has to realize that this is ****ing stupid. I kinda wish it was within a week so I could just cancel my accounts before it becomes time to resub. Would suck to have to wait a few months until the next expansion to know whether or not to quit permanently. Hell, maybe it's a good idea to just quit permanently anyway to get out of the CCP drama bull**** cluster**** cycle. If this change goes through it's CCP saying we're all wasting our time with this game, because the time will count for nothing.


http://www.eveonline.com/en/incursion/features

Pay attention to Incursion 1.4 features and timeline for being deployed. I really don't think they could have aborted the nerf if they'd wanted to.

-Liang


Big surprise, another Liang post giving the Devs the benefit of the doubt. Rolling Eyes

"Improved Quality/Risk Scaling in Anomalies" could have meant any number of things.

The CCP Devs alone have the power/choice as to what those things are exactly. They aren't forced into doing a damn thing.

They need to take responsibility for this and face the music, which in this case is going to be a hell of a lot of ****ed off players and ultimately money lost.

Stop making excuses for them. They tend to do a good enough job of that for themselves.

Zarko Dreadlor
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:43:00 - [1479]
 

CCP do you really think this is a useful nerf?

Look at the starmaps, the major alliances already control the true sec space. This is only going to re-enforce there recruiting ability and completly nerf ours... This makes me very sad as now smaller startup alliances, who need to be closer to high sec, etc, such as in catch are screwed.

One major recruting tool IS anomoly running. Its how many PVPers generate ISK and get ships to fight with there alliance. Doing so is going to cause a mass migration out of null sec I'm sorry to say.

Nullsecs rewards are dropping. if you want to leave things the way they are AND give a boost to the -. sec sysetms, thats fine I guess... Although let me remind you, they already GET officer spawns, MORE plexes, and just well, EVERYTHING is better about them already.......


Its awesome watching CCP side with big alliances and coalitions.... If your intention was to get more people into null sec, you have failed. Thank you CCP for taking this game one more step towards destruction.....

dee x3
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:46:00 - [1480]
 

50 pages of how this is a bad idea......

Get the picture CCPQuestion

nulab jones
Assisted Genocide
Unprovoked Aggression
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:53:00 - [1481]
 

Edited by: nulab jones on 29/03/2011 20:54:13
Originally by: White Tree
Should these changes go through, it will likely not stop larger Alliances from holding regions from which profit can be extracted via the moons. Especially if the profit is large enough to warrant keeping the space, which in the case of certain R64 types: it is.

We'll have to see how this works out.


Lol, lots of R64 in lowsec that all the main power blocks hold with 0 chance of a small guy getting near and no need for sov. I have no fear that you guys will have no issue raking billions per tech moon.

This is simply a attempt to sell more plex for ppl to fund there ships.

Sorry CCP I paid real money for your game for 3 years for 2 accounts, now i have 5 paid with plex and after this goes through will return to 2 again. Between the 2 plex to keep my TWO accounts going and some isk for pvp ships it's all I will be able to afford not having access to a -.9 - -1.0 system, but rather a -.47 system.

Melkie
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.03.29 20:56:00 - [1482]
 

This load of **** just makes me more excited about the new Star Wars game . . .

Presao
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:08:00 - [1483]
 

Its time to quit then EVE when this is coming on 5.4.2011

didntwantthosesanctums anyway
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:09:00 - [1484]
 

this makes me sad

Sad

Rinchi
Caldari
United Amarr Templar Legion
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:11:00 - [1485]
 

Pretty obvious CCP doesn't care what their subscribers think.

Question is, will they change their tune once the story about how CCP treats its paying customers hits the gaming news outlets?

Way to go CCP, ignoring the real issues of unbalanced moon minerals and botting, while punishing the little guy for trying to scratch out a living.

Augmentin Raven
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:13:00 - [1486]
 

Originally by: Rinchi
Pretty obvious CCP doesn't care what their subscribers think.

Question is, will they change their tune once the story about how CCP treats its paying customers hits the gaming news outlets?

Way to go CCP, ignoring the real issues of unbalanced moon minerals and botting, while punishing the little guy for trying to scratch out a living.


Maybe that's what we need to do? If they won't listen to us, maybe they'll listen to the reviews they're getting in magazines and editorials about how they don't listen to their player base? Game Informer/IGN/Metacritic...etc

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:16:00 - [1487]
 

Originally by: Gabriel Grimoire
Big surprise, another Liang post giving the Devs the benefit of the doubt. Rolling Eyes


It wasn't meant to give them the benefit of the doubt. The implication should have been that they had this quite firmly in the pipeline and the dev blog was a "courtesy notification" to let us know what was going to happen. Even if the arguments in here had been largely valid (and I don't believe that they were), I don't think they could have rolled it back.

-Liang

Wolfduke
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:18:00 - [1488]
 

Edited by: Wolfduke on 29/03/2011 21:18:29
See my signature - that is all


VIncent Vance
Gallente
URSALIS LOGISTICS GROUP
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:26:00 - [1489]
 

Originally by: Frodo Teabaggins
To CCP: good. im glad you stuck with the plan.

To... everyone else: tee hee.

otherwise, a good change. its good to see EVE becoming just a bit harder.


Couldn't agree more. Cool

Kievan Ariskana
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:37:00 - [1490]
 

Originally by: Incursion 1.4 features
Extra Outpost info added

If im not mistaken that feature is already running.

On the other hand what is on the list now doesnt have to be there on April 5th.

Fix null sec lag before nerfing income!

Also if the changes go in as planned just wondering....WTS: High Quality Space

Demolish52
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:40:00 - [1491]
 

Here you go, have these sweet cool upgrades. Go ahead invest billions in your space, it will be the best thing since sliced bread!

Wait, I can haz those back now?

-CCP

NO

-ME

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:43:00 - [1492]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
http://www.eveonline.com/en/incursion/features

Pay attention to Incursion 1.4 features and timeline for being deployed. I really don't think they could have aborted the nerf if they'd wanted to.

-Liang


Originally by: CCP on that page
Improved Quality/Risk Scaling in Anomalies
As a part of the "equal value space makes this game boring" initiative, we've changed the way anomalies work. The quality of anomalies will depend on the system's true security level (truesec) - the better the truesec, the better the spawns. CCP Greyscale is writing a blog on this exact change, coming soonTM


This seems perfectly workable (better spawns in anomalies in better truesec).

However what CCP Greyscale has announced is no decent anomalies in poor truesec. Not just lesser spawns in the anomalies, no anomalies at all (worth mentioning).

Keep the ISK drains of sov upgrades and tie the quality of the anomalies to the truesec - poorer truesec would then mean you get the anomolies, but they're not as good, and really low truesec anoms would be powerhouse.

Nomad I
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:45:00 - [1493]
 

CCP will get the Yulei syndrome. CCP is trying to destroy a disease with some actions and creating a new disease, like destroying Yulei as a trade center and creating Jita. It will be happen again. CCP Greyscale wrote in 2009:

Quote:
Firstly, let people upgrade their space, and in particular its resource density. By increasing the resource density, you increase the potential population density, and by letting players do it rather than simply seeding more resources, you open up more decisions and more emergence.[..] It gets more people into nullsec - one of our objectives - by making big alliances want more people in their space. It makes it much harder to be a big, rich, military alliance

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=695

The same CCP Greyscale makes now a 180 degree turn. Really funny.

Locii
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:50:00 - [1494]
 

we will adapted to the changes, they will cost the corp and memebers income but hey.

what really bothers me is the total disregard for the customers that comes with annoucing this sneaky change with only a few days notice before implmentation.

you have given sov holders 2 weeks notice that there space and all the hard work that has gone into is now crap.

its strange i know you at ccp have no respect for customers, so i dont know why im shocked each time you display that lack of respect.

Grandua
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:50:00 - [1495]
 

Dear CCP,

This has seriously got to be THE worst Idea I have heard! If you want to improve the 0.0 conflicts, then fix the @#$#ing LAG!

Sincerely,



-----Grand

Gabriel Grimoire
Amarr
Ascendent.
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:51:00 - [1496]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Gabriel Grimoire
Big surprise, another Liang post giving the Devs the benefit of the doubt. Rolling Eyes


It wasn't meant to give them the benefit of the doubt. The implication should have been that they had this quite firmly in the pipeline and the dev blog was a "courtesy notification" to let us know what was going to happen. Even if the arguments in here had been largely valid (and I don't believe that they were), I don't think they could have rolled it back.

-Liang


In that case, what you're implying just further reinforces the fact that CCP apparently couldn't give two sh*ts what their player base thinks.

They'll do what they want with their game, when they want, how they want, and f*ck all if people don't like it.

Real good business practice.

TeHb KaTJleTbl
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:51:00 - [1497]
 

iwill delete eve if u do this .... all that u do CCP only dissapoints people

Demolish52
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:52:00 - [1498]
 

Originally by: Nomad I
CCP will get the Yulei syndrome. CCP is trying to destroy a disease with some actions and creating a new disease, like destroying Yulei as a trade center and creating Jita. It will be happen again. CCP Greyscale wrote in 2009:

Quote:
Firstly, let people upgrade their space, and in particular its resource density. By increasing the resource density, you increase the potential population density, and by letting players do it rather than simply seeding more resources, you open up more decisions and more emergence.[..] It gets more people into nullsec - one of our objectives - by making big alliances want more people in their space. It makes it much harder to be a big, rich, military alliance

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=695

The same CCP Greyscale makes now a 180 degree turn. Really funny.


All I can say is...rofl, epic fail. Please stop screwing shi* up CCP. Leave it alone ffs.

helmeo
Caldari
Star Mandate
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:58:00 - [1499]
 

um, all those that are quitting can i have your stuffz?

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.29 21:59:00 - [1500]
 

Originally by: helmeo
um, all those that are quitting can i have your stuffz?


That depends. If you're going to use it to suicide gank rookie systems, maybe.


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