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Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.26 06:35:00 - [391]
 

Originally by: progodlegend
Edited by: progodlegend on 26/03/2011 06:22:30
Honestly, I actually think greyscale could be right with the whole coalition thing. I can't wait to see how really a BFF the NC is, when their D-teams and C-teams come whineing, "we need better ratting space can we have some of your true sec." Go ahead Razor, you ready to share some of branch yet?

Hey NC pet alliances, check it out:

tenal

Pure Blind






And what exactly are those "D-teams and C-teams" supposed to do against the gigantic supercap fleets of the main NC while ratting in hubs?

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.26 06:36:00 - [392]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
ITT: Coalition members in good true sec space are praying that their buddies in ****ty true sec space will still want to be BFF so they don't become a target.


Coalition members in good true sec space are already the sponsors of those in ****ty space, and have far more supercaps than the smaller alliances. So the sov grind will be a whole lot easier for them, and their newer members in the big alliances will have a whole lot easier time replacing their ships than those in the 'pet' alliances.

Still not seeing how this will benefit the small alliances.

Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2011.03.26 06:37:00 - [393]
 

also he said branch, then link tenal.

and coalition, http://killboard.nullisecunda.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=21299

yeah nulli secunda is totally alone. period basis, querious, catch, impass, feythabolis on in this fight

Calandari
Retribution. Inc.
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2011.03.26 06:38:00 - [394]
 

Yet another reason why ccp has a serious lack of thinking power .... to many terds floating to the top(time to flush the toilet). Whats going on are they hiring all the ******ed programmers from WOW.

After having to fight with GM over fubared hot patches.

I think these GM's need to spend time in game learning the game mechanics and experiancing their Nerfs.
Thats pretty much all i want to say for now

Sem Nan
Posted - 2011.03.26 06:41:00 - [395]
 

Originally by: progodlegend
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Hey everyone,

It'd be pretty difficult not to notice the fairly strong negative reaction this blog's getting so far, and any time this sort of reaction occurs it's pretty common policy for us to take a pause and do another evaluation pass on the design, taking into account the arguments raised by players. Obviously we're in the middle of fanfest right now so everything takes a little longer than usual, but I'm going to talk to some people tomorrow, get some other perspectives, and figure out whether or not we're still happy with both the direction and the details here.

We are starting to take another serious look at a range of nullsec issues right now, with an eye to fixing structural issues with the current design. Be aware that fixing the problems we're facing is very likely going to involve disrupting the current status quo, and in at least some cases I'm expecting us to push through changes we're confident in despite (expected) negative feedback. We have to consider the long-term big picture, and that priority may sometimes conflict with the immediate interests of some elements of the playerbase. That said, this may or may not be one of those occasions - watch this space.

Have a nice weekend everybody, and I'll try and get back to you with more info next week
-Greyscale


NOOOOOOOO, please don't listen to these fools that are whining. Half of them probably didn't even play before dominion. CCP I applaud you for having the balls to do this, this is honestly the best change to 0.0 you guys have come up with. Dominion changes making each system equally valuable was just an awful idea in the first place.

Please don't think that the only reactions to this are negative, their are swaths of players that think this is a necessary change.

Honestly this is the best patch news I've heard since Stackless IO and the need for speed stuff. I can't remember thinking of a more necessary change to 0.0 than this.

Hey ******s, giant coalitions are not a game mechanic, there are corps, and alliances, you choose who you want to blue after that. Stop thinking that you are entitled to blues 5 regions in every direction and that CCP should only be doing things to preserve your ability to add as many blues as you want. Now no one can say, "yea just bring more people in, we can throw them in *insert random constellation here* and they will be happy mindlessly farming sanctums." The guys that live there will have to be creative

People lived in ****ty 0.0 space before the dominion changes. Before Sanctums, the ****tiest truesec, providence, was the most populated region in the game, so CCP, please don't listen to all these people, who have become spoiled by the ease of isk making.




Go to hell and die on a fire. Last i checked the place where you live has at least 4 -0.92 systems, so you're hardly qualified to judge what impact this change will have on the higher true-secs.

Klam
Amarr
FACTS on EVE
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.03.26 06:51:00 - [396]
 

Originally by: Silk75
Edited by: Silk75 on 26/03/2011 01:13:36
Edited by: Silk75 on 26/03/2011 01:12:09
:CCP Greyscale: I sat immediately to your left in the 0.0 panel at fanfest and heard no mention of these pve changes, why?


This is quite telling... I think this shows he knows the fallout from this, but there must be a business reason they are pushing forward with it. Hurray for lack of transparency.

progodlegend
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.03.26 06:53:00 - [397]
 

Originally by: Sem Nan
Originally by: progodlegend
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Hey everyone,

It'd be pretty difficult not to notice the fairly strong negative reaction this blog's getting so far, and any time this sort of reaction occurs it's pretty common policy for us to take a pause and do another evaluation pass on the design, taking into account the arguments raised by players. Obviously we're in the middle of fanfest right now so everything takes a little longer than usual, but I'm going to talk to some people tomorrow, get some other perspectives, and figure out whether or not we're still happy with both the direction and the details here.

We are starting to take another serious look at a range of nullsec issues right now, with an eye to fixing structural issues with the current design. Be aware that fixing the problems we're facing is very likely going to involve disrupting the current status quo, and in at least some cases I'm expecting us to push through changes we're confident in despite (expected) negative feedback. We have to consider the long-term big picture, and that priority may sometimes conflict with the immediate interests of some elements of the playerbase. That said, this may or may not be one of those occasions - watch this space.

Have a nice weekend everybody, and I'll try and get back to you with more info next week
-Greyscale


NOOOOOOOO, please don't listen to these fools that are whining. Half of them probably didn't even play before dominion. CCP I applaud you for having the balls to do this, this is honestly the best change to 0.0 you guys have come up with. Dominion changes making each system equally valuable was just an awful idea in the first place.

Please don't think that the only reactions to this are negative, their are swaths of players that think this is a necessary change.

Honestly this is the best patch news I've heard since Stackless IO and the need for speed stuff. I can't remember thinking of a more necessary change to 0.0 than this.

Hey ******s, giant coalitions are not a game mechanic, there are corps, and alliances, you choose who you want to blue after that. Stop thinking that you are entitled to blues 5 regions in every direction and that CCP should only be doing things to preserve your ability to add as many blues as you want. Now no one can say, "yea just bring more people in, we can throw them in *insert random constellation here* and they will be happy mindlessly farming sanctums." The guys that live there will have to be creative

People lived in ****ty 0.0 space before the dominion changes. Before Sanctums, the ****tiest truesec, providence, was the most populated region in the game, so CCP, please don't listen to all these people, who have become spoiled by the ease of isk making.




Go to hell and die on a fire. Last i checked the place where you live has at least 4 -0.92 systems, so you're hardly qualified to judge what impact this change will have on the higher true-secs.


Yea, and I lived in provi before dominion, and spoke out against the changes then to. It doesn't matter where we live right now, I would still be supporting this patch. I would have no problem living in provi with the old space, it is not as hard to make isk in ****ty true sec as people think.

You guys asking what to do when all the big alliances own all the best space? Welcome to EVE pre dominion, or EVE., figure out a way to beat them, or deal with it, *****. You guys just can't do anything without someone holding your hand, and you don't know what to do.

I can not believe that NC people are saying, "but what do I do they have more than I do." That is the most hypocritical statement I have ever seen, I can't even imagine how your mind can come up with that comment and say it with a straight face.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.03.26 06:54:00 - [398]
 

Wow!

Absolutely love the change, and the carebear tears even more.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:00:00 - [399]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 26/03/2011 07:03:26

Introducing a chance to get a drone site instead of your usual pirate faction's haven/sanctum (make it depend on truesec if you have to) would also reduce the ISK faucet and probably keep players at least a little more happy.

Originally by: Herr Nerdstrom
How about adding some upgrades in this 'flexible upgrade system' that will actually help the pilots who play the game? Instead of nerfing sanctums already in existence, how about leaving all as is, and improving the quality or payout of sanctums in better truesec systems (via a new upgrade would be fine)? This won't affect the average pilot's ability to buy more pvp ships, but will further entice the better systems, and have a rebalancing at the same time.


EyjoG: "We need more ISK sinks"
You: "I know, let's increase the inflow of ISK!"

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:02:00 - [400]
 

Originally by: progodlegend

You guys asking what to do when all the big alliances own all the best space? Welcome to EVE pre dominion, or EVE., figure out a way to beat them, or deal with it, *****. You guys just can't do anything without someone holding your hand, and you don't know what to do.

I can not believe that NC people are saying, "but what do I do they have more than I do." That is the most hypocritical statement I have ever seen, I can't even imagine how your mind can come up with that comment and say it with a straight face.



So it was broken before, then they fixed it, and now they're breaking it again. And you agree with it because you used to play when it was broken and you got on by with it.

Sorry, i am still not convinced that this patch would bring a welcome change to anybody but the ones who already have it all. Big blocks hold all the good moon goo, and now they will ALSO hold all the good ratting sites.

Raukho
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:04:00 - [401]
 

It's like the world outside the richer get richer and the poorer are ****ed.

Without moongoo reallocation and JB nerf this does nothing for creating more dynamic in 0.0.

I Legionnaire
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:07:00 - [402]
 

I fully support the proposed changes. Do it, screw the haters.

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:11:00 - [403]
 

Originally by: progodlegend
I can not believe that NC people are saying, "but what do I do they have more than I do." That is the most hypocritical statement I have ever seen, I can't even imagine how your mind can come up with that comment and say it with a straight face.



I'm in the NC, and I have access to some of the best truesec in the game - a whole constellation of it. I, and my alliance, will have such an advantage if this change comes through we'll be laughing all the way to our wallets.

But I am still opposed to this change because the desired effect (more small alliances getting access to nullsec, and more conflict) has happened already with Dominion, and will be destroyed by this change.

There have been piles of small alliances filling up space that would otherwise be emtpy if it weren't for the changes to allow upgrading systems. Those players are occupying nullsec instead of holding nullsec (for alliance moon income) and missioning in highsec. If players spend time in nullsec, it makes for more opportunities for them to be shot, otherwise people would have to explicitely wardec them and hunt them in empire (and using terrible mechanics that allow for neutral RR).

More people moving to nullsec means more targets for PvP. This is especially true for those who "just can't do anything without someone holding [their] hand".

progodlegend
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:11:00 - [404]
 

Agreed, this is only the tip of the iceburg. Moon reallocation is still a serious need, the JB one i'm not too worried about as much, though maybe 1 jb per system would be interesting to look at, haven't thought about it enough though. The moon changes are absolutely necessary, I'd rather have dyspro and promethium back the way it was just slightly nerfed, at least then it was spread all across of eve.

Lusulpher
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:13:00 - [405]
 

Originally by: Raukho
It's like the world outside, the richer get richer and the poorer are more ****ed.

Without Moongoo reallocation and JumpBridge nerfing this does nothing for creating more dynamic in 0.0.


fypft.

CCP has made the CORRECT move reducing inflation from static anomalies, unfortunately, by how much, and where, should come after a full evaluation after fixing the powerblocs' inflated income streams. They don't need to live on rent when they can grab the Tech moons. All the renters are the bufferzone to protect the moons.

And you chose this to fix inflation...Laughing

Fix Moon distribution
Fix Jump Bridge ranges
Fix Cyno mechanics
Fix Supercap stockpiling
Fix Treaties
Fix Sov EHP incentives

AND then tweak individual player inflation. You're using a saw when you need several scalpels.

IMTHAT HNIC
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:17:00 - [406]
 

Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Originally by: progodlegend
I can not believe that NC people are saying, "but what do I do they have more than I do." That is the most hypocritical statement I have ever seen, I can't even imagine how your mind can come up with that comment and say it with a straight face.



I'm in the NC, and I have access to some of the best truesec in the game - a whole constellation of it. I, and my alliance, will have such an advantage if this change comes through we'll be laughing all the way to our wallets.

But I am still opposed to this change because the desired effect (more small alliances getting access to nullsec, and more conflict) has happened already with Dominion, and will be destroyed by this change.

There have been piles of small alliances filling up space that would otherwise be emtpy if it weren't for the changes to allow upgrading systems. Those players are occupying nullsec instead of holding nullsec (for alliance moon income) and missioning in highsec. If players spend time in nullsec, it makes for more opportunities for them to be shot, otherwise people would have to explicitely wardec them and hunt them in empire (and using terrible mechanics that allow for neutral RR).

More people moving to nullsec means more targets for PvP. This is especially true for those who "just can't do anything without someone holding [their] hand".


There were piles of small alliances filling up space before the dominion changes, the difference now is that the major alliances have an interest in booting out those small alliances, and filling them with renters or pets, because that space is just as valuable as theirs. Dominion simply made it harder for smaller alliances to survive, and these changes are going back to some of those things that made it easier for them to grab some space.

The NC blueing small alliances and throwing them into random constellations is not the same thing as small alliances being able to expand out in null-sec, that is just major alliances taking what was once space not worth caring about, and giving it to renters. You guys don't rent the systems for isk, you rent the systems for bodies in fleets. Renting is renting, however you want to look at it, doesn't have to be for isk.

Migrator Soul
Minmatar
15 Minute Outliers
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:18:00 - [407]
 

Congrats Greyscale, for alienating quite a chunk of your playerbase by this proposed change, if you indeed do try to implement it. I am a member of one of those small alliances you want to "help get into the game." I can tell you, quite honestly, that your idea will really cut our isk making ability to the point where we can't afford to hold sov. Way to hold a gun to our heads, while sucking off the super goons. But hey, I am sure I would love to pay for a game I can't pvp in. >.>

progodlegend
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:29:00 - [408]
 

Originally by: Migrator Soul
Congrats Greyscale, for alienating quite a chunk of your playerbase by this proposed change, if you indeed do try to implement it. I am a member of one of those small alliances you want to "help get into the game." I can tell you, quite honestly, that your idea will really cut our isk making ability to the point where we can't afford to hold sov. Way to hold a gun to our heads, while sucking off the super goons. But hey, I am sure I would love to pay for a game I can't pvp in. >.>


More people who didn't live in 0.0 before dominion, or have forgotten about it. 180mil a month is literally 4 hours worth of belt ratting in the ****tiest of true sec systems. There you just payed for sov in that system.

Considering all the pos's that were used to hold sov in provdence pre dominion, and all the isk and time (that could have been spent ratting) it took to fuel those, there was literally no problem paying for all that predominion in ****ty provi.

The prevailing message in this thread is, "I can't play this game without a sanctum to myself" Which is absolutely ******ed, and just shows you how much having the dominion changes for this long has screwed up this game.

Lord Rapture
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:30:00 - [409]
 

because equal anomalies is boring and no fights! clearly IT are still at the peak of their glory with 200 titans farming sanctums non stop and clearly NC and Drone Russians have not lost dozens of titans and supercarriers. it's just a big happy new eden where everone is getting rich right? o wait... Rolling Eyes

Klam
Amarr
FACTS on EVE
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:30:00 - [410]
 

Edited by: Klam on 26/03/2011 07:37:46
Originally by: Marconus Orion
Power bloc tears, best tears. Wink


I find this funny.

So instead of the work and effort to create and maintain an opposing power block along with the joy of combat, strategy, and intel gathering necessary to taking down a power bloc. You would rather just sit back and cheer on CCPs dismantling of them via new game mechanics? Letting CCP do all the work seems to lack any satisfaction. Do you call your mommy to settle all your fights in RL too?

And before you start whining that taking out a major power is impossible ... I seem to remember a large power bloc that was recently wiped out. One that some thought would be around till they shut off the servers for good. This was accomplished by dedicated players, not sudden and disruptive game mechanic changes by unseen game gods. If you want to bust up power blocs, join another power bloc and start some pew pew.

Estimated Prophet
Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe and Trading Company
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:35:00 - [411]
 

CCP's balancing reminds me of someone driving a car with broken steering, only hard lock to the left or hard lock to the right; over the top buffs or nerfing to oblivion. Here we are, over-nerfing poor quality 0.0 systems into uselessnes. At a bare minimum a fully upgraded -0.01 system should spawn a single haven, and preferably a sanctum. Do that and these changes suddenly become a lot more palatable.

Lev Aeris
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:37:00 - [412]
 

Originally by: progodlegend

Hey ******s, giant coalitions are not a game mechanic, there are corps, and alliances, you choose who you want to blue after that. Stop thinking that you are entitled to blues 5 regions in every direction and that CCP should only be doing things to preserve your ability to add as many blues as you want.
Originally by: progodlegend

That is the most hypocritical statement I have ever seen, I can't even imagine how your mind can come up with that comment and say it with a straight face.



Wait a ****ing minute. This from the guy that abbandoned his bros in Provi when the fight came, and joined the very napfest that killed providence. . .

Did you type that with a straight face?

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:43:00 - [413]
 

any buffs for low sec ?>

Nikgah Plz
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:43:00 - [414]
 

Edited by: Nikgah Plz on 26/03/2011 07:43:20
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Wow!

Absolutely love the change, and the carebear tears even more.


Mining and missions is probably next...gj jinxing yourself and removing other options for you to have in game besides pvp -2 oh and -3 if you use officer mods where you think those come from. I'll give you a hint, grandma doesn't bake them for you.

Afrounter
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:43:00 - [415]
 


Absolutly support the changes.

For those who say there will be less ppl to kill, its almost impossible to catch ppl in santums. If belts > anoms then more people will be in belts. And it is a lot easier to catch ppl in belts than having to scan out santums 1st.

progodlegend
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:45:00 - [416]
 

Edited by: progodlegend on 26/03/2011 07:46:37
Originally by: Lev Aeris
Originally by: progodlegend

Hey ******s, giant coalitions are not a game mechanic, there are corps, and alliances, you choose who you want to blue after that. Stop thinking that you are entitled to blues 5 regions in every direction and that CCP should only be doing things to preserve your ability to add as many blues as you want.
Originally by: progodlegend

That is the most hypocritical statement I have ever seen, I can't even imagine how your mind can come up with that comment and say it with a straight face.



Wait a ****ing minute. This from the guy that abbandoned his bros in Provi when the fight came, and joined the very napfest that killed providence. . .

Did you type that with a straight face?




haha yea, thats EXACTLY what happened....... you are totally right.

I typed it with a totally straight face for a reason.

Not to mention, what you said, even if it were true, has nothing to do with what i'm talking about. I look forward to you trying to find a way to make isk without anomalies, as well as trying to accomplish other mundane task, such as tieing your shoes. I'm surprised you could even find the reply button.

HaVoK023
FW Scuad
E C L I P S E
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:45:00 - [417]
 

You are killing small/medium alliances who live under a powerfull one renting or with standings.

The big blocks dont fight because better systems with better anomalies... they do this for Technetium moons, pvp and fun.

Big coallitions will increase their numbers even more this way.. all members into those small/medium will go to bigger alliances with better systems.

YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.Mad
Please LISTEN THE NULLSEC PLAYERS

Nikgah Plz
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:46:00 - [418]
 

Originally by: Afrounter

Absolutly support the changes.

For those who say there will be less ppl to kill, its almost impossible to catch ppl in santums. If belts > anoms then more people will be in belts. And it is a lot easier to catch ppl in belts than having to scan out santums 1st.


-1 for not knowing how to play, search probing and comment when you have a looked at the youtube video that CCP has provided months maybe almost a year ago buh bye!

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:55:00 - [419]
 

Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 26/03/2011 08:01:06
You know, i'm sick and tired of hearing the 3% of the posters in this thread who think this is a good idea. The sole argument these people make is that the game used to have no havens and sanctums before dominion. Because we didn't have it then, we will be OK if CCP take them away.

A long time ago we also had NO Strategic Cruisers! So its OK TO REMOVE THEM!!

A long time ago we also had NO Titans! So its OK TO REMOVE THEM!!

A long time ago we also had NO Planetary Interaction! So its OK TO REMOVE IT!!

A long time ago we also had NO AVATARS! So its OK TO REMOVE THEM!!

A long time ago all we had were a few ships per race, and the biggest and baddest one around was the battleship. We also did not have the trinity engine. So it's OK to remove all that and go back to 2003.


It doesn't matter that removing them will NOT make life EASIER for NOBODY. Changing for the sake of change is a good thing and it needs no argument to favor it.



Get a ****ing clue.

damnjita
Posted - 2011.03.26 08:02:00 - [420]
 

Edited by: damnjita on 26/03/2011 08:03:29
I don't usually post but it just seem to me CCP's thought process runs itself off the track more often than not.

CCP is massively out of touch if they think the massive power blocks that exist now are going to fight over singular ratting systems. Eve isn't a bunch of small alliance looking to move up in the world, its carved up with planning of the major powers. This will only hurt the smaller alliances who get the scraps.

Anyone play this game or ever look at the sov map?


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