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Ghazu
Posted - 2011.05.05 05:45:00 - [3421]
 

Originally by: slevik
So sorry...I'm not exactly sure what you'd call a "High End Player"!! WTF is that anyway?! Apart from an insult to players that don't meet your set criteria to class as a high end player. Our money doesn't have the same value as theirs?
For the layman, in layman's terms..what does this upgrade do for us "low end players" that run missions from high and low sec? Anything? Is it REALLY worth me getting excited about?


what is your point? insult from greyscale? don't like to be called a low end player? and what does it have to do with the anomaly changes? having trouble arousing yourself?

so thanks for the spell check, but 'you're still sounding kinda stupid.

Ryan Starwing
Gallente
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.05 21:56:00 - [3422]
 

Originally by: slevik
Originally by: Ghazu
Originally by: slevik
So sorry...I'm not exactly sure what you'd call a "High End Player"!! WTF is that anyway?! Apart from an insult to players that don't meet your set criteria to class as a high end player. Our money doesn't have the same value as theirs?
For the layman, in layman's terms..what does this upgrade do for us "low end players" that run missions from high and low sec? Anything? Is it REALLY worth me getting excited about?


in layman's term your stupid, try again and rephrase your thoughts with coherenceCrying or Very sad


If you are having difficulty following such a simple thought I'm guessing English isn't your first language?? Let me help you....Greyscale states in his blog "Firstly, we've evened out the upgrades so each one has four sites in it now, rather than five in the first and four in the rest. We're also retaining a mix of the sites that we're aware are regarded as "filler" by high-end players" My question was very easy to understand..what's his definition of a High End player? The way he has explained the mechanics of the changes is a little difficult to follow and, in regards to calling me stupid, finish school and work harder on grammar...the correct spelling would be 'you're stupid'...Need a mirror?


Highend player is anyone who can at least fly a bc competantly, and for an example a drake with 1 or 2 months worth of sp total. So if you can fly a bc and been playing a month+ you are a highend player.

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2011.05.06 00:19:00 - [3423]
 

Originally by: Ryan Starwing

Highend player is anyone who can at least fly a bc competantly, and for an example a drake with 1 or 2 months worth of sp total. So if you can fly a bc and been playing a month+ you are a highend player.


ah no...doing 200dps in a drake with your meta 1 launchers and t1 hobygoblins is not high end (except maybe in TEST). High end is t2 fit battleship. If you let noobs come and hog your pve content with their poop ships taking 3 hours to complete a haven then that is your fault.

Bubanni
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.06 01:15:00 - [3424]
 

:) actually the "high end" are the battleships, tech 3 ships, and carriers (or titans and supercarriers) players who do sanctums within 10-30 mins...

Lord of cocksuckers
Posted - 2011.05.07 12:24:00 - [3425]
 

so still no responce from ccp?
how is this change doing with increasing conflict?
why does it look like thier account base has dropped because of this and or has it?
are you still reading and laughing now?

do you actually give a **** about your players?

Makumba Aki
Posted - 2011.05.08 08:50:00 - [3426]
 

Originally by: Lord of ****suckers
so still no responce from ccp?
how is this change doing with increasing conflict?
why does it look like thier account base has dropped because of this and or has it?
are you still reading and laughing now?

do you actually give a **** about your players?


The account base always drops around this time... summer and stuff... people go rather outside than playing with spaceships...

Geralden
Posted - 2011.05.09 15:08:00 - [3427]
 

How can it be, that Dev's will "answer any questions" in a different thread, but not post ONE relevant or usefull answer in this ?

h4kun4
Cold Steel Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.09 15:27:00 - [3428]
 

Edited by: h4kun4 on 09/05/2011 15:27:57
What Im interested in, is if ccp would retreat this part of incursion because nobody likes it, or if theyre thinking when they dont talk about it, players will forget...

Gunman1982
Posted - 2011.05.10 12:33:00 - [3429]
 

Originally by: Makumba Aki

The account base always drops around this time... summer and stuff... people go rather outside than playing with spaceships...

I was waiting for that point and I have to say: partly right. Yes there are going to be less people online because of summer and stuff but they normally don't cancel their subscription.

Outcome in our corp:5 accounts canceled, about 7 pending, mostly people who have lost their faith that we can hold the space.

Quincy Taggart
Posted - 2011.05.10 21:20:00 - [3430]
 

Edited by: Quincy Taggart on 10/05/2011 21:20:55
Tried making isk with hubs...too many jammers isk/hour too low. Taking down my POS's not going to give these asshats $400 USD next year sorry CCP you lost it.

Try paying attention to the customer base...

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.05.11 00:57:00 - [3431]
 

And here we thought that CCP was terrible for ****ing up anoms. Now CCP tells us that we need to have twice the IHUB-installed systems in-place in order to maintain the same jump bridge networks that have planned and installed in various regions. One Bridge / One System.

So, not only has income been reduced, but costs have dramatically increased.

It is true that the trail of tears will fuel many a forum warrior, but CCP's game design department needs to put on some leg irons and do a group swim in the Northern Sea. YARRRR!!

Reina Solar
Posted - 2011.05.11 11:29:00 - [3432]
 

Hello CCP,

That is a stupid thing you did there .

Don't think I will go to the next fanfest .


Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
Posted - 2011.05.11 11:58:00 - [3433]
 

After so many years playing eve i deeply think about quitting now. The latest nerfs really suck and ccp is not listening to customerbase. Who want haz my stuff ?Crying or Very sad

Red Morbo
Posted - 2011.05.11 12:40:00 - [3434]
 

I'm still in 0.0
Isk made since patch - 0
Combat experianced - 3 engagements

There is and was already a mass 0.0 deployment just b4 patch, so CCP probably think that this patch is working, it is for the power block that paid PL 600 bill (so talk tells) to super cap super blob steam roll the north.
Large numbers have left 0.0 coz it just not affordable.
It's looking like the power blocks will just steam roll 0.0 with super lag fleets with less resistance.
CCP just gave 0.0 to the russians (and other power blocks)

Makumba Aki
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:12:00 - [3435]
 

Originally by: Aphrodite Skripalle
After so many years playing eve i deeply think about quitting now. The latest nerfs really suck and ccp is not listening to customerbase. Who want haz my stuff ?Crying or Very sad

I would take it... :)

Makumba Aki
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:17:00 - [3436]
 

Originally by: Gunman1982
Originally by: Makumba Aki

The account base always drops around this time... summer and stuff... people go rather outside than playing with spaceships...

I was waiting for that point and I have to say: partly right. Yes there are going to be less people online because of summer and stuff but they normally don't cancel their subscription.

Outcome in our corp:5 accounts canceled, about 7 pending, mostly people who have lost their faith that we can hold the space.

Well, I agree that this nerf was the most stupid thing CCP ever did. I do like the new upconing 0.0 tweak (JB nerf an stuff) though. However, this JB nerfs will increase the sov costs while the last patch nefed the 0.0 income. Overall, this greatly reduces the incentives to stay in 0.0. My corp has left 0.0 and is a WH/high-sec/small gang roaming corp now.

I am really curious about the next quarterly economic report....

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:29:00 - [3437]
 

Guys, come on, you need to up your game here. The tears in the JB tweak thread are already at 55 pages in 24 hours.

Vaju Katru
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:34:00 - [3438]
 

Good change.

Makumba Aki
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:51:00 - [3439]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Guys, come on, you need to up your game here. The tears in the JB tweak thread are already at 55 pages in 24 hours.

The JB nerf is actualy a very good thing..... :)

Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:59:00 - [3440]
 

Originally by: Makumba Aki
Originally by: Malcanis
Guys, come on, you need to up your game here. The tears in the JB tweak thread are already at 55 pages in 24 hours.

The JB nerf is actualy a very good thing..... :)


he was pointing more to the fact that the people crying in this thread need to cry more...if you know anything about his posting, youd know malcanis is in favor of the JB changes.

Quincy Taggart
Posted - 2011.05.12 01:42:00 - [3441]
 

I can't believe that these dumb asses haven't figured it out yet. You're killing 0.0. One thing I didn't think about was that once the havens/sanctums were gone ppl stopped running anoms...them the MIL index dropped so now with MIL 2 in the system I lived in there aren't even any HUBS. It is now a fu king wasteland...we were going to deploy an outpost there but no more. Three accounts back to high sec. I don't want to hear anymore whining about "there's too many ppl in high sec", CCP, cause YOU caused it. dumb asses....dumb fu king assess

Vengeance Thirst
Posted - 2011.05.12 11:15:00 - [3442]
 

Same here. No one is ratting anymore, 4 dudes moved to low sec, 2 dudes committed to scanning for plexes all day long 10/15jumps away, 10-15 dudes ask for mining upgrades for the system so they can mine although they never thought to do it before (wihch make me wonder if mining will be nerfed soon).

So bottom line: If we ALL that got crap systems now retool for mining. Will the mining upgrades get a nerf next???

You f-u-c-k-i-n-g r-e-t-a-r-d-s...........

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.05.12 12:43:00 - [3443]
 

Holy **** you lot can ****ing whine.

HTFU or GTFO.

"WAAAAA cancelling 8 subscriptions... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

No, you aren't. Since every ****ing bear in 0.0 was just grinding anoms and buying PLEX.

What this will do to PLEX supply / demand is the interesting part ... I have my theory and assets applied accordingly Cool

Amanda Bolton
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.12 13:52:00 - [3444]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Holy **** you lot can ****ing whine.

HTFU or GTFO.

"WAAAAA cancelling 8 subscriptions... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

No, you aren't. Since every ****ing bear in 0.0 was just grinding anoms and buying PLEX.

What this will do to PLEX supply / demand is the interesting part ... I have my theory and assets applied accordingly Cool


what is this i dont even...

...and do some research on PLEX(60d sub) before embarrassing yourself again Idea

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.05.12 14:03:00 - [3445]
 

Originally by: Amanda Bolton
what is this i dont even...

...and do some research on PLEX(60d sub) before embarrassing yourself again Idea


Your point, there is none.

Amanda Bolton
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.12 15:06:00 - [3446]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Amanda Bolton
what is this i dont even...

...and do some research on PLEX(60d sub) before embarrassing yourself again Idea


Your point, there is none.


You are forgetting one important thing:
Every PLEX seller/buyer has its limit on grind/buy ratio for his subscription.



Less subscribtions funded with ingame isk leads to reduced damand, reduced damand leads to lower prices, lower prices leads to people switching from Buying PLEX with real money and selling them for isk TO grinding ingame, and that leads only to lost income for CCP...
Every active account in EVE is paid by someone with RL money...
And if u think that CCP is not loosing money after this patch u are delusional, i know lots of ppl in my corp/ally, who just droped their ratting alts, and the space where im living now is deserted.

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.05.12 16:27:00 - [3447]
 

Originally by: Amanda Bolton
You are forgetting one important thing:
Every PLEX seller/buyer has its limit on grind/buy ratio for his subscription.

Less subscribtions funded with ingame isk leads to reduced damand, reduced damand leads to lower prices


You see the part where I said

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
What this will do to PLEX supply / demand is the interesting part


I seriously doubt there will be fewer PLEX bought due to the changes, tbh.

The cheaper PLEX gets, the more attractive it becomes for the person buying to activate ...

Not to mention someone buying PLEX > ISK needs to buy more.

It may balance at a different price, but you'll see the total number remain pretty constant.

All these people going "THATS IT I AM UNSUBSCRIBING!!!" can be seen on the forums saying the same thing back in 2010....2009....2008.... and so on.

CCP will do well to ignore the emo.

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.05.12 20:13:00 - [3448]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
All these people going "THATS IT I AM UNSUBSCRIBING!!!" can be seen on the forums saying the same thing back in 2010....2009....2008.... and so on.

CCP will do well to ignore the emo.


Really? Proof please. I've never said that til now, then again I've never had CCP encourage me to spend my time and money do to something and then have it turned out to be a lie til now either.

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.05.12 21:43:00 - [3449]
 

Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Really? Proof please. I've never said that til now, then again I've never had CCP encourage me to spend my time and money do to something and then have it turned out to be a lie til now either.


Just trawl through eve-search. You'll find quite a number of people (HINT: focus on the nano-nerf months) who were waaa waaaa quitting.

Oddly, a lot seem to now have Incursion profile pics and active accounts ....

But whatever. Just unsubscribe.

Any player who can't think of another way to make money than grinding anoms whilst flitting about on their impervious JB network doesn't belong in the game anyway.

So I imagine you'll trolololl with pithy vitriol on the forums until your sub expires?

Guess it's better you do get back out into the real world :/

Makumba Aki
Posted - 2011.05.12 22:37:00 - [3450]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Amber Villaneous
Really? Proof please. I've never said that til now, then again I've never had CCP encourage me to spend my time and money do to something and then have it turned out to be a lie til now either.


Just trawl through eve-search. You'll find quite a number of people (HINT: focus on the nano-nerf months) who were waaa waaaa quitting.

Oddly, a lot seem to now have Incursion profile pics and active accounts ....

But whatever. Just unsubscribe.

Any player who can't think of another way to make money than grinding anoms whilst flitting about on their impervious JB network doesn't belong in the game anyway.

So I imagine you'll trolololl with pithy vitriol on the forums until your sub expires?

Guess it's better you do get back out into the real world :/


I think the plex thing is a non-issue. Because in the long run, inflation will decrease due to lower ISK supply so that the real prices for ships and plex will stay about the same. The isk prices will increase at a slower pace or even drop.

For me the problem ist not that I can't make money anymore, because I make now more money in the WH than I did before in 0.0. The problem is that there is no strong incentive anymore to stay in bad true sec 0.0. So the population of 0.0 will (and i think it already does) drop as a consequence. Why should someone invest in ifrastructure in bad true sec 0.0? You don't need iHubs for plexes and anos are barely worth the sov costs.


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