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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.03.23 03:23:00 - [1]
 

I'm trying to trim a Tengu pilot down to bare bones; I'll post the EFT fit and the current skill trim I've got - I'm sure I'm missing a lot of things that can be skimped on and still suffice for L4 missioning, though, and I'd like SD to help me out here.

Note cybernetics 5 is in there on purpose, for 5% hardwirings. I've tried to remove the "pre-req" skills, but there are likewise a number of those left in there, due to the way I built the skillplan (at work, not using evemon Crying or Very sad)

Advanced Weapon Upgrades 5
Electronics 5
Energy Management 5
Energy Systems Operation 5
Engineering 5
Mechanic 3
Acceleration Control 4
Afterburner 5
Evasive Manuevering 4
Fuel Conservation 5
Jury Rigging 4
Navigation 5
Spaceship Command 3
Targeting 4
Shield Compensation 4
Shield Management 4
Shield Operation 5
Tactical Shield Manipulation 1
Electronic Warfare 4
Frequency Modulation 4
Signature Focusing 4
Target Painting 4
Cybernetics 5
Science 3
Caldari Cruiser 5
Caldari Defensive Systems 4
Caldari Electronic Systems 1
Caldari Engineering Systems 4
Caldari Offensive Systems 4
Caldari Propulsion Systems 4
Caldari Strategic Cruiser 1
Heavy Assault Missile Specialization 4
Launcher Rigging 4
Missile Bombardment 4
Missile Launcher Operation 5
Missile Projection 4
Rapid Launch 4
Standard Missiles 3
Target Navigation Prediction 4
Warhead Upgrades 4







[Tengu, The Right Way to Fit a Tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.03.23 03:50:00 - [2]
 

I'm pretty sure the 5% hardwirings require cybernetics IV.

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.03.23 03:54:00 - [3]
 

Is that so? That's a lot of SP I can save, then!

I'm at work, so don't have the luxury of checking :(

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2011.03.23 05:39:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Loraine Gess
I'm pretty sure the 5% hardwirings require cybernetics IV.


You need V for +5 implants, some capital related hardwirings and ganglinks.
you should drop cyber V and instead train those skills that you have at 1 to 4 instead with the time you just saved, also science for heating is recommended.

Misanthra
Posted - 2011.03.23 06:34:00 - [5]
 

afterburner 5 can go....its actuall a bad 5 to have if you ever pick up pvp, you want quick spurts of ab..5 lights it up too long to make speed control a pita


fuel conservation 5 can go...your ab cap use you on a tengu not that bad. Nice to have at some point but not needed. tengu easy to get cap stable. Or...doesn't need to be if you go that route. After any webs dead in the room, speed tank orbit and pulse your booster as needed. Usually not much outside of say AE bonus room, worlds collide.


One invul tengu....might want to find a fit that gets 1 invul and 1 more hard in there. Got a huge gaping em hole that will have you running booster....alot....against bloods and sansha.

Vito Antonio
Posted - 2011.03.23 07:19:00 - [6]
 

I'd add propulsion jamming to jam propulsion of my enemies! Twisted Evil

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.03.23 09:51:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 23/03/2011 10:44:10

It kind of depends on what you want to use the Tengu for.
I'll presume you only want to do L4 missions for ISK as you haven´t included any typical PvP skills (Propulsion Jamming and High Speed Maneuvering). I fly a L4 (HML) Tengu and I can tell you it's really easymode!

- If I look at your skills list:
* Tactical Shield Manipulation 1 - you need 4 for T2 hardeners, but if you only use faction it's ok;
* Caldari Offensive Systems 4 - make that 5, you don't want to miss the 12.5% extra DPS when using kinetic (and it's just rank 1 anyway);
* You don't have to be cap stable so both cap skills at V aren't neccessary
* Fuel Conservation V isn't needed either, you can suffice with IV;
* Not sure what you want to use EW range enhancers for if you're using HAMs?
* If you're worried about cap you can also train (especially EM and Explosive) shield compensation and use passive hardeners when needed.

- Your setup:
* You're not using any hardeners except an Inv Field. Using two shield boost amplifiers isn't all that efficient (and use a lot of cpu), using a specific hardener (especially when you fight drones, angels, sansha, blood raiders) prevents far more damage than the little extra boost the second amplifier provides;
* You can't fit those 3 rigs, they're 300 + 75 + 75 calibration;
* In EM damage missions you might want to skip the TP for extra resists.

- Why HAMs and not HMLs?
* Moving around all the time to get into range isn't all that great for that extra 25% DPS, you're not really that fast. At 600ish m/s it takes a while to get into range of those BS 120 km away, HMLs have 100+ km range, which means you can do damage a lot more often and don't waste time flying between groups (and back to acceleration gates); while it may look nice in EFT your effective DPS won't be higher with HAMs;
* HMLs are also better to take care of webbers when you train Guided Missile Precision (and use a rigor rig and ZMA implant) which also saves you time or gets you out of trouble faster; you'll think about this when you enter room 2 of the Silence the Informant mission! ;)
* Next to that you need far less PG for HMLs so you don't need to train AWU at all.

Chakarr
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.03.23 12:44:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Chakarr on 23/03/2011 12:46:28
I much prefer Liang's level 4 fit, far superior to a HAM fit IMO:

[Tengu, PVE HML Fury]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

10MN Afterburner II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


...for this you don't actually need Advanced weapon upgrades at all, let alone to V, neither would you need the target painter skills, which would trim a fair bit of training time off your plan...Wink

But comments on your list/fit:

You don't need jury rigging IV, III will do as the pre-req for launcher rigging.
Targeting IV is a waste, max locked targets on a Tengu is 5, so again III will do.

Qalix
Posted - 2011.03.23 19:37:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Misanthra
afterburner 5 can go....its actuall a bad 5 to have if you ever pick up pvp, you want quick spurts of ab..5 lights it up too long to make speed control a pita

ctrl+space FTW

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.03.23 21:56:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Dethmourne Silvermane on 23/03/2011 21:58:45
I do like that HML fit better; gracias.

That being said, I think it'll be easier to cheese out a barebones Tengu pilot with it, too ^_^

EDIT: I would like to point out, however, that my rig choices aren't 300 + 75 + 75, look again.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.03.23 22:07:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
EDIT: I would like to point out, however, that my rig choices aren't 300 + 75 + 75, look again.

You're totaly right, I assumed that you meant the Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II like almost every good Tengu build has ;)

Good luck with your HML Tengu, it's a very very nice ship for L4s and I like it a lot! I even wrote a litte guide about it for my corpies!

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.03.23 23:14:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
EDIT: I would like to point out, however, that my rig choices aren't 300 + 75 + 75, look again.

You're totaly right, I assumed that you meant the Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II like almost every good Tengu build has ;)

Good luck with your HML Tengu, it's a very very nice ship for L4s and I like it a lot! I even wrote a litte guide about it for my corpies!



My mistake with that Ham tengu was pulling it off battleclinic.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.03.25 21:34:00 - [13]
 

If you ever want to use +5s or Crystals (or any pirate sets for that matter) You'll want Cybernetics to 5.

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.03.26 04:47:00 - [14]
 

He said 5% hardwirings though, we already went over this.

MrCue
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:43:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
My mistake with that Ham tengu was pulling it off battleclinic.


Can you elaborate on this?
Did you read the discussion on the fit itself?

Knokploeg
Posted - 2011.03.29 13:51:00 - [16]
 

For cap stability, use a domination 10mn afterburner. Might allow you to skip energy management V. Caldari offensive should be trained to V. Fuel conservation V and afterburner V seem like overkill to me.


 

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