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Hemp Invader
Inverted Worlds
Posted - 2011.03.21 20:56:00 - [1]
 

Why? Because he is spamming jita local saying that he gives a free plex for every voter.

Have i fallen into his scam/exploit? NO

This should be forbidden and a drastic measure should apply. This person with such a low moral standard should not get into the CSM, just sayin'.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.03.21 20:59:00 - [2]
 

The Office of Special Projects will be looking into these Allegations and Appropriate Action will be determined and dispensed once the Quarterly Budget Meeting is finalized... next Tuesday.

Marija Vanszar
Caldari
The Warp Pub
Posted - 2011.03.21 21:00:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Marija Vanszar on 21/03/2011 21:01:29
LOL just logged my JIT alt in:

APPROVED: Boratz > 15 Free 30 day GTC left, convo <url=showinfo:1376//874265450>Darius III</url>

BTW: are Mass emails allowed??

Check this out:
Hi,

I'm writing to you because you've participated in significant discussions on the forums, so I'm pretty sure you care about the future of the game.

The CSM elections will end soon, and I'd like to encourage you to take a minute and vote. The bigger the turnout, the more seriously CCP will take the CSM.

I've been a member of the previous 4 CSMs (ie, CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5), as such I've helped carry your message and represented you with CCP.
As a player with experience and interest in all areas of the game, from industry to lowsec, wormholes, etc. I've been a constantly unbiased voice in the CSM.
Yet I've earned the respect of my fellow CSM members, no matter where they originated from. You can find positive comments and endorsments from known names such as Mynxee, Larkonis Trassler, T'Amber, Vuk Lau, Mazzilliu, Trebor, the Eve Tribune, etc.
I have a proven track record of efficiency and consistency.

This time more than ever, the CSM needs players who are not aligned with large groups, but rather it needs people with experience, knowledge, intelligence and the ability to work harmoniously with others, so please vote!

You can learn more about me here: http://www.rooksandkings.com/meissa/

To vote for me, just click on this link: http://bit.ly/fxB5qP

And thank you very much for taking the time to participate.

Sincerely,

Meissa Anunthiel

PS: If you forward this mail to your friends, I would appreciate it.
PPS: Should you consider the unsolicited nature of this message offensive, my apologies, there is just too much at stake this time around.

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.21 21:01:00 - [4]
 

This was already getting dull in C&P, and now you have to drag it here?

INBM&/ORL

Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2011.03.21 21:02:00 - [5]
 

He should be made chairman or whatever they call it.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.03.21 21:05:00 - [6]
 

Scamming to get votes. Sounds like a true eve pilot to me.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.21 21:11:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Barakkus on 21/03/2011 21:11:12
Originally by: Marija Vanszar
Edited by: Marija Vanszar on 21/03/2011 21:01:29
LOL just logged my JIT alt in:

APPROVED: Boratz > 15 Free 30 day GTC left, convo <url=showinfo:1376//874265450>Darius III</url>

BTW: are Mass emails allowed??

Check this out:
Hi,

I'm writing to you because you've participated in significant discussions on the forums, so I'm pretty sure you care about the future of the game.

The CSM elections will end soon, and I'd like to encourage you to take a minute and vote. The bigger the turnout, the more seriously CCP will take the CSM.

I've been a member of the previous 4 CSMs (ie, CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5), as such I've helped carry your message and represented you with CCP.
As a player with experience and interest in all areas of the game, from industry to lowsec, wormholes, etc. I've been a constantly unbiased voice in the CSM.
Yet I've earned the respect of my fellow CSM members, no matter where they originated from. You can find positive comments and endorsments from known names such as Mynxee, Larkonis Trassler, T'Amber, Vuk Lau, Mazzilliu, Trebor, the Eve Tribune, etc.
I have a proven track record of efficiency and consistency.

This time more than ever, the CSM needs players who are not aligned with large groups, but rather it needs people with experience, knowledge, intelligence and the ability to work harmoniously with others, so please vote!

You can learn more about me here: http://www.rooksandkings.com/meissa/

To vote for me, just click on this link: http://bit.ly/fxB5qP

And thank you very much for taking the time to participate.

Sincerely,

Meissa Anunthiel

PS: If you forward this mail to your friends, I would appreciate it.
PPS: Should you consider the unsolicited nature of this message offensive, my apologies, there is just too much at stake this time around.


Probably the only person running deserving of getting elected tbh and I don't even know them. I got the same mail and replied with my "Why I'm not voting" spiel, got a well thought out and expressed response, and a good one too.

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.03.21 21:21:00 - [8]
 

Can we list the achievements of past CSM's?


Maybe there is something awesome they have done for the community that I am not aware of? If so perhaps I will start voting. If not, then meh...

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.03.21 21:46:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Can we list the achievements of past CSM's?


Maybe there is something awesome they have done for the community that I am not aware of? If so perhaps I will start voting. If not, then meh...


As you wish.

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.03.21 21:47:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 21/03/2011 21:50:35
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Can we list the achievements of past CSM's?


Maybe there is something awesome they have done for the community that I am not aware of? If so perhaps I will start voting. If not, then meh...
They will be quick to point out stuff in the previous patch notes but those changes were going to be done regardless if the csm was around or not. That something was done that also happened to be on the ginormous list of things the cms wants done is simply convienient for ccp to have a nice marketing gimmick to point to for interviews and such.

As in: Hey Look Gaiz! We(ccp) did something the csm wanted(even though we(ccp) were going to do it anyways) so they do have a valid role!!! Vote now!! Smile

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Can we list the achievements of past CSM's?


Maybe there is something awesome they have done for the community that I am not aware of? If so perhaps I will start voting. If not, then meh...


As you wish.
Example #1: "The skill-training queue was a CSM initiative."

Yes, because no one in the entire time eve has been around has suggested that ccp impliment a skill queue. Ever. Rolling Eyes

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.03.21 22:00:00 - [11]
 

How naive and/or literally (and tragically) ******ed does one have to be to think that a PLEX is worth a CSM vote? The fact that this issue has multiple threads in C&P, and now in General as well means that not only are normal Eve players fecking stupid, but that there is far, far, FAR too much ISK available in game, to the extent that it's apparently believable that a PLEX is a worth a vote in a system where thousands upon thousands of votes get cast.

I hate you all and I hope you hurf in flaming car durf

Yeah well. Confused

Hemp Invader
Inverted Worlds
Posted - 2011.03.21 22:05:00 - [12]
 

We know CSM has been a good influence over the game untill now.

The question is, will that good influence still be here with these low level morals that some CSM candidates show? Or will the candidates throw isk around in hopes of a free trip to Iceland?

We should focus towards those 2 questions and answer them as honestly as we can.

In my opinion, this kind of moral should be banned by CCP as it does not support the healthy development of this game.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.21 22:10:00 - [13]
 

Does it matter? No.

Out of the last (well current really) CSM I hear we are now up to 3 who have quit the game. One of whom apparently said he wasn't interested in playing "Second Life in Space".

CCP do what they want. Their company, their choices.

The CSM is there for CCPs (PR) benefit, not the players playing experience, although the current CSM were bloody-minded enough to say "Enough!" so fair play to them.

Ultimately its a sideshow CCP can shut down as and when they choose.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.03.21 22:19:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Taedrin on 21/03/2011 22:22:43
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 21/03/2011 21:50:35
Quote:
As you wish.
Example #1: "The skill-training queue was a CSM initiative."

Yes, because no one in the entire time eve has been around has suggested that ccp impliment a skill queue. Ever. Rolling Eyes


And that somehow marginalizes the other 6 examples... how?

Actually, CCP ORIGINALLY stated that they would NEVER implement a skill queue because of fears that it would enable character farming. When CCP eliminated ghost training, CCP PrismX promised that he would *try* to get a skill queue implemented for us if he was allowed to. However, nothing more was heard on this front. It wasn't until the CSM brought it up that CCP was actually convinced to implement it.

Also, the CSM has given CCP the OPPOSITE of positive PR. They have made the most noise against CCP's intentions to increase profits through microtransactions and also made a huge outcry when they felt that CCP was ignoring them. IIRC, both of these events resulted in CCP issuing an apology of sorts and changing their policies.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.21 22:21:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Hemp Invader
We know CSM has been a good influence over the game untill now.

The question is, will that good influence still be here with these low level morals that some CSM candidates show? Or will the candidates throw isk around in hopes of a free trip to Iceland?

We should focus towards those 2 questions and answer them as honestly as we can.

In my opinion, this kind of moral should be banned by CCP as it does not support the healthy development of this game.


CCP should only ban players for NDA shenanigans...like some of the ones that have gone on in the past...which is likely to happen again if Darius is elected, and probably the only reason he's running. Don't perma ban them though, just a month or so...

Bhattran
Posted - 2011.03.21 22:22:00 - [16]
 

Oh we vote, right cause all I see at the top of these forums is a stupid banner for 'new forums-coming soon!'.


Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.03.21 22:36:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 21/03/2011 22:47:29
Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 21/03/2011 22:38:13
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
They will be quick to point out stuff in the previous patch notes but those changes were going to be done regardless if the csm was around or not. That something was done that also happened to be on the ginormous list of things the cms wants done is simply convienient for ccp to have a nice marketing gimmick to point to for interviews and such.

As in: Hey Look Gaiz! We(ccp) did something the csm wanted(even though we(ccp) were going to do it anyways) so they do have a valid role!!! Vote now!! Smile



Let me reuse a bit of text I wrote in reply to one such comment:

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel

The CSM is not responsible for coming up for new ideas nobody had before, that would be preposterous. What we do is read the forums and talk to people, separate the wheat from the chafe, provide CCP with items and reasons for the inclusion of these items. CCP gets back to us with guesstimates of development time so we can make better requests in terms of cost vs return, just like them. CCP is not a monolithic bloc, there's groups competing for resources, just like many companies. As such the CSM is used by teams internally to lend weight to their request (ie, "see, the CSM requested this too"), which in turn makes the things we request more likely to happen.
CCP does read the forum but you know that it's hard to get reasonable arguments out of people, not even taking into account the fact that forums are the voice of the vocal minority.



And please stop with the "free trip to Iceland", I've been there a bunch of times, I haven't seen anything but the CCP offices. Also, sitting for 8-9 hours of continuous meetings after meeting is gruesome work... Each hour the teams talking to us change, they're fresh, we're not... It's no vacation.
That's not even taking into account the time we take during the rest of the time to read forums, answer player queries and requests, spend time in our own CSM meetings.

If I had to charge the time spent on CSM stuff, those would be the most expensive holidays I've ever been on, and not a single geiser or whale picture to take back home for it.

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.03.21 23:05:00 - [18]
 

Then why do you do it?



Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.03.21 23:11:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Then why do you do it?



Because I don't go to iceland for vacation, I go there to make this game I like better...

Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.03.21 23:34:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Then why do you do it?



Because I don't go to iceland for vacation, I go there to make this game I like better...


Best Q&A ever.

Azureite
Amarr
Special Forces Operation Detachment Delta
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.03.21 23:39:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Hemp Invader
Have i fallen into his scam/exploit? NO

Suuuuure you haven't Wink

Ginger McBallgazer
Posted - 2011.03.21 23:50:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Then why do you do it?



Because I don't go to iceland for vacation, I go there to make this game I like better...


you just got my 10 votes

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.03.22 00:30:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Ginger McBallgazer
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Then why do you do it?



Because I don't go to iceland for vacation, I go there to make this game I like better...


you just got my 10 votes


Many thanks, I do need them...

Gloria Stitz
Posted - 2011.03.22 00:47:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Can we list the achievements of past CSM's?


Maybe there is something awesome they have done for the community that I am not aware of? If so perhaps I will start voting. If not, then meh...


As you wish.



* The skill-training queue was a CSM initiative.

Really? , this idea has been around since launch, csm input =0

* The CSM helped the players give CCP a corporation-wide wake-up call in the summer of 2010, resulting in CCP allocating more resources to supporting and improving old content.

outcome =0

* The recent removal of learning skills was implemented almost exactly as the CSM suggested.

Again, been around since day 1, csm input =0

* CSM and player pressure about performance issues encouraged CCP to create a special group, Team Gridlock, dedicated to the "War on Lag".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA war FOR lag more like

* CSM crowdsourcing and prioritization efforts resulted in many CSM-sponsored game fixes being released in Incursion, and the allocation of Team BFF to the task of "fixing potholes" during the current development cycle.

Too many meaningless buzzwords to make any sense of this ****

* CSM lead the effort to ensure than any micro-transactions added to EVE would be limited to vanity items.

CSM sould have stopped this altogether, micro-transactions = crap this isn't zero, its negative

* CSM encouraged CCP to implement staged release plans, as was used in Incursion and will be used with Incarna.

CCP realised at last that they aren't good at releasing lots of changes at the same time - then said the csm helped them figure this out?

p.s. 'encouraged' ?


csm is like gaddafi's cabinet

utterly pointless


Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2011.03.22 01:21:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Elzon1 on 22/03/2011 01:28:28
Quote:
And please stop with the "free trip to Iceland", I've been there a bunch of times, I haven't seen anything but the CCP offices. Also, sitting for 8-9 hours of continuous meetings after meeting is gruesome work... Each hour the teams talking to us change, they're fresh, we're not... It's no vacation.
That's not even taking into account the time we take during the rest of the time to read forums, answer player queries and requests, spend time in our own CSM meetings.

If I had to charge the time spent on CSM stuff, those would be the most expensive holidays I've ever been on, and not a single geiser or whale picture to take back home for it.




Indeed, some think of the CSM as something like this: Linkage

Of course some of us actually read the CSM minutes and I wish more did the same. Its not about just throwing your ideas at CCP and ban hammering any bad suggestions CCP gives you. Its really about knowing the mechanics behind EVE as well as knowing what is resonably possible for CCP to do. The more both parties understand each other's limitations the less wasted breath there will be in such discussions. Its when newb CSM members get in and start spewing nonsense ideas/suggestions that things turn sour. There are things sour on CCP's side as well in that developmental resources have already been allocated and it can be hard to get any good suggestion/idea somewhat into the development process.

This is why we need more people like you in the CSM to provide balance and at least some insight into what would actually happen from a players perspective when certain mechanics are put into the game. And I'm sure you push for action against bots and rmt just as much as the next guy. However, if I don't see or hear anything of significant substance about what CCP is doing about such activities during fanfest: I am disappoint

I had voted for you before you sent that mail YARRRR!!

I hope you get reinstated to the CSM, you are needed.

Edit: Darius, buying/scamming votes is just silly Very Happy

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.03.22 02:24:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 22/03/2011 02:26:00
OK Meissa Anunthiel I voted for ya.


Now CSM people, maybe give us some PVP without the blob. Mkay?

Valari Nala Zena
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.03.22 02:59:00 - [27]
 

Since the majority of EVE doesn't vote (especially empire), scamming people into voting is a good way to get a free plane ticket.

Darius will come out on top too, you'll see, i'd bet a plex for it!

Kilhu Emmek
Minmatar
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.03.22 04:25:00 - [28]
 

Meissa knows more about the mechanics of the game than anyone, probably including some of the devs. All you have to do is review Meissa's forum posts to see who you should vote for.

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.03.22 04:47:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Kilhu Emmek
Meissa knows more about the mechanics of the game than anyone, probably including some of the devs. All you have to do is review Meissa's forum posts to see who you should vote for.


I've never heard of her (him?) until this election. /shrug

On topic about the CSM: I've had more development impact alone than all the CSM sessions put together.

Hemp Invader
Inverted Worlds
Posted - 2011.03.22 09:08:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Azureite
Originally by: Hemp Invader
Have i fallen into his scam/exploit? NO

Suuuuure you haven't Wink


No, I haven't. I would give you my chat logs but everyone knows they can be faked. In fact I was the one wanting to scam him, to give me the plex first and vote for someone else later :).

In these conditions a vote for CSM is useless and i shall vote for none.


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