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Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.03.23 11:34:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Maul555 on 23/03/2011 11:36:27
Originally by: DTson Gauur
Originally by: Enthral
I stand corrected, though why HP would put such an old GMA into that laptop is beyond me. GMA 950 was over four years old when they made that laptop. I feel for you!


It's not HP's fault, it's Intel stuffing the old gfx core into their Atom chip. Even the newer 4xx and 5xx series run with GMA3150 which as previously above is only partially capable of SM3 and hence will not either work in future. That means that about 99% of netbooks currently on market are in near future incapable of running Eve even if they otherwise meet the minimum requirements.

For others previous posters who say that "buy a newer laptop" , I don't want to buy a fething 'drag-around' , what I need when I go mobile is something small enough and light enough to carry around so I can login, change skill queue and chat with corpies / friends, maybe do a trip thru highsec in a shuttle or something if there's no war.

Now what CCP is doing is killing this, they're claiming this in the name of "legacy support" but what it really is, is that they're just too damn lazy to make the necessary optimisations to codepaths to support sm2 with sm3 path. I guess that in less than 2 years or so there'll be a blog: "Discontinuing support for SM3.0, SM4.0 minimum requirement."


You openly admit that intel's crappy chips are the cause of most of the fuss, and then go on to call out ccp for creating this problem thru laziness. Why wont you people think of the increased programming time that can now be devoted to bug fixes, or other features?

Yes, I did it, I said "you people"...

LarpingBard
Posted - 2011.03.23 13:16:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: LarpingBard on 23/03/2011 13:19:02
Yes, I'm cancelling my account, and yes, I want to save up and get a new computer, but yes, I'm married, and yes, convincing the wife that we should spend our shared income on a computer instead of dental work for the kids is a longshot. Very Happy It's not your fault that my new laptop sucks. I get that. But the indifference of so many, and the venom directed towards us who have chipped in real money in lieu of upgrading our systems, instead of buying plex, is offensive and hurtful. Oh and STFU is not a helpful response to my plead for help. :)

And to be honest, even on a shader 4.0+ card, there will be times where in a 1000+ fleet battle we will still want to disable the shader options. It's not just a legacy issue, it's a "mega fleet blob" issue as well.

Professor Love
Posted - 2011.03.23 17:09:00 - [123]
 

Well then, seeing as how you're leaving, please transfer me all of your assets and isk; I'd really hate to see it all go to waste. That goes for anyone else who's leaving, too. If enough of you give me your stuff, I'll be so happy that I'll just buy one of you a new laptop - how's that? Smile

Qolde
Minmatar
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.03.23 19:38:00 - [124]
 

The Light Client

Move the resShaders.stuff file out of your eve folder and use 3d analyze to get eve to start. Use default inverval you can run that **** on a ****ing commodore 64. just be sure to move the file back before a client update. cant pvp on it anymore, because tactical overlay doesnt work anymore, and you cant see bubbles, or yourself for that matter. Turn all brackets on. for the text based stuff and empire travel it works fine. No Pi, but mining works. You can't see asteroids and stuff so dont get too close or you will surely be bumping off of invisible rocks. Why this isnt a setting in the escape menu? I dont know.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.24 04:09:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Qolde
The Light Client

Move the resShaders.stuff file out of your eve folder and use 3d analyze to get eve to start. Use default inverval you can run that **** on a ****ing commodore 64. just be sure to move the file back before a client update. cant pvp on it anymore, because tactical overlay doesnt work anymore, and you cant see bubbles, or yourself for that matter. Turn all brackets on. for the text based stuff and empire travel it works fine. No Pi, but mining works. You can't see asteroids and stuff so dont get too close or you will surely be bumping off of invisible rocks. Why this isnt a setting in the escape menu? I dont know.


There are light clients, CCP uses them to test out very specific situations with a lot of clients connected.

They are made to be automated, ie, to be used by bots. Which is something such a light client would be perfectly suited for, making macros even easier... Etc.

So, probably not going to happen as a public release ;p

Imarh al'Amarrah
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.24 07:57:00 - [126]
 

Well.. My 4-years old work notebook seems to be missing SM3 (8-years old Turion 64x2 mobile technology? :) ). Of course, I understand, Excel based game so urgently needs cool graphic interface ugh. But netherless I do not have possibility to change anything in my system. So since April -3 active accounts. Thanks for nice game!

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.03.25 02:30:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: jason hill on 25/03/2011 02:33:35
Edited by: jason hill on 25/03/2011 02:30:34
there could be a very simple solution this hardware issue imo. if there is anyone willing to donate hardware to those that cant afford to upgrade for various reasons why dont said people get together and setup some sort of "s*** shop" where players get together discuss what they need see if other players are "throwing out" because they are rebulding/ renewing thier rigs ? .no reason why this cannot be done imo ... i took a three year old rig down to my local refuse dump last week before coming to the fanfest simply because i replaced it at xmas.this is not a "bragging thing its because i can .if i could have found a peep to take it off my hands (minus the HDD) i would have willingly donated to them .

maybes it might be an idea to set up a seperate eve channel for peeps struggling to keep up with the fast paces in technology plus the cost if it is an issue and set up some sort of "s*** shop" . i also threw out 2x24" crt`s yes i know they are old hat ...but they were still in good working order ... but i think that most of oop readers get my point ...i hope

just a thought Question


anyways ...back to the fanfest Very Happy


ninja edit ... why is S.W.O.P on the bloody ban list of words not to type Evil or Very Mad

Suicide'Alts'FTW
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.03.26 07:02:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: LarpingBard
Edited by: LarpingBard on 22/03/2011 12:15:23
Edited by: LarpingBard on 22/03/2011 12:13:18
Originally by: Suicide'Alts'FTW
...


We are talking about laptops, you illiterate troll. Very Happy [since we're being mean and all Wink And since EvE is a boxed game as well as a downloadable, name one game that you have a disc for that the publisher can go and break on you?


Classic troll spotted. But, to defend my previous post, I will answer anyway.

Limiting myself just to a game that I personally own a physical disc copy of: Empire Total War. Its save games corrupt on a fairly regular basis and it often crashes post battle(especially for battles between turns) for the last couple of patches.* The later problem was introduced by patches and The Creative Assembly weren't even trying to add or upgrade any content. They were just "fixes" for the bugs caused by the "fixes" of the bugs introduced by patches to "fix" the game breaking errors and bugs it shipped with and many of which were never addressed.

Ultimately they gave up trying to fix it and just created Napoleon: Total War and now Total War: Shogun 2. Both of which I refuse to play or buy until they either fix Empire: Total War or stop repackaging the same game every 12 months. They need to add some real content, rather than reskin everything, and in addition fix the growing list of problems that plague the series.

*And those problems don't even address the horribly anemic AI, nor the extent to which the computer cheats in order to keep up, or the just plain bad game design decisions and omissions.

I sound like I am whining but there is a difference between how CCP has treated the player base in this matter and how The Creative Assembly has treated their player base. CCP warned us about it starting about two years ago and have frankly bent over backwards to try to accommodate those who would be negatively affected by this decision. The Creative Assembly on the other hand is running a **** poor operation and it shows.

Sophie Tate
Posted - 2011.03.26 13:39:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: jason hill
Edited by: jason hill on 25/03/2011 02:33:35
Edited by: jason hill on 25/03/2011 02:30:34
there could be a very simple solution this hardware issue imo. if there is anyone willing to donate hardware to those that cant afford to upgrade for various reasons why dont said people get together and setup some sort of "s*** shop" where players get together discuss what they need see if other players are "throwing out" because they are rebulding/ renewing thier rigs ? .no reason why this cannot be done imo ... i took a three year old rig down to my local refuse dump last week before coming to the fanfest simply because i replaced it at xmas.this is not a "bragging thing its because i can .if i could have found a peep to take it off my hands (minus the HDD) i would have willingly donated to them .

maybes it might be an idea to set up a seperate eve channel for peeps struggling to keep up with the fast paces in technology plus the cost if it is an issue and set up some sort of "s*** shop" . i also threw out 2x24" crt`s yes i know they are old hat ...but they were still in good working order ... but i think that most of oop readers get my point ...i hope

just a thought Question


anyways ...back to the fanfest Very Happy


ninja edit ... why is S.W.O.P on the bloody ban list of words not to type Evil or Very Mad


ExclamationJason, if those 24" are Trinitrons, you could/should have put them on craigslist.

I drove 200klm and spent $200 on one just a few months ago. People still want them for competitive online
shooters. Can you recover them?

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2011.03.26 14:07:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Katrina Bekers
Eight years old graphic cards, huh?

Ok, CCP, nice move and all, but AT VERY LEAST try and be honest with this.

You're shoving down our throat this change. You do it to cut costs, to improve the product, to get rid of legacy, whatever. But at least don't pretend we're dumb or idiot.

The very machine I'm writing this stuff on is a run-of-the-mill office rig (HP DC7800P) with a low-spec graphic card integrated in the Intel Q35 chipset servicing the Core2Duo E8400 CPU.

- It supports SM2.0
- It doesn't support SM3.0 (checked with the app linked in the devblog)
- It is still perfectly adequate for running low intensity tasks ingame like trading, POS caring, PI, hi-sec logistics and social stuff (chat, .
- Probably won't be able to do that once you "discontinue" SM2.0.
- It cannot be upgraded, as it's a work asset I'm allowed to use only after my daytime job is over and I relax a bit before going home.
- Most important, it's a chipset released in June 2007 (reference). That's less than FOUR years ago. Not eight.

Thank you for reducing my play options.


So you're complaining that you don't get to use your work pc for fun and games?

So you're complaining that a PC that was explicitely NOT meant for games won't work with a game?

Just wondering.

I'm complaining that I won't be able to use a non-gaming platform for those activities that are PROVEN they don't require a modern-gaming-class hardware platform, and that today I'm able to do after workhours. Trading is Excel at best; actually text-mode with 2D graphs would be far more than enough. PI is basically overview-and-customs flying (you can do that with map screen open, WITHOUT any 3D output). Refuelling POSes is just moving RASTER pictures (again, no 3D required at all, doable on map screen) from one container to another. I'd offend your intelligence if I'd say that chatting would require Shader Model 3.0, ain't it?

Said so, what part of "activities that don't require high end graphics" you seem to not understand?

At home I have a machine that happily supports SM4.0, so I'm not complaining about CCP preventing me from playing. But stripping me of a convenience, without any real reason to do so.

Even in 2011, there ARE situations where a low-end output would be desirable, if possible, in addition to the "oooh shiny" one used to sell accounts.

In my original post I started with "Ok, CCP, nice move and all". I'm not complaining for the sake of it. I'm complaining for the rather lame excuse ("8 years old" is a deceiving statement - proven wrong by many other postsers, myself included), and intentionally and unreasonably reduction of game options. That's all.

ACESsiggy
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.26 15:46:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: ACESsiggy on 26/03/2011 15:54:18
Does everyone receive the discount even if you have the latest shader technology? I'm looking to upgrade my nvidia Geforce 9800gt Very Happy

ACESsiggy
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.26 15:49:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: ACESsiggy on 26/03/2011 16:04:42

Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.03.26 18:56:00 - [133]
 

Edited by: Maul555 on 26/03/2011 19:02:09
Edited by: Maul555 on 26/03/2011 18:57:41
Originally by: ACESsiggy
Edited by: ACESsiggy on 26/03/2011 15:54:18
Does everyone receive the discount even if you have the latest shader technology? I'm looking to upgrade my nvidia Geforce 9800gt Very Happy


I just heard on the fanfest stream that all eve players will be getting an invite for the discount... probably in your email inbox. I was going to upgrade with an ATI, but if their discount is good enough, I might go with Nvidia, if for no other reason than to have that built in phys-X that is going to be used with incarna characters... Withi that I could probably put off my processor upgrade even longer...

Funny how the discounts will be going out around the same time that everyone in the US will be getting back their tax return money Twisted Evil

Norjia Blacksteel
Gallente
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Renaissance Federation
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:04:00 - [134]
 

Mac version of SM3 checker?

Miranio
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:24:00 - [135]
 

I've just received today the rebate for EVGA graphic card compatible with SM3. The idea is pretty cool, but they are all PCI-E ... my motherboard is AGP, so then I'll need a new motherboard, that mean, new RAM and a new CPU... Upgrading the graphic card is not the only thing here, If I support only SM2 it's because that I have to change my whole computer to get SM3 ( and being a computer nearly 10 years old, I won't put another 150$ on it for a new graphic card AGP that support SM3 it's just crazy to put money on an old rig like that )

The fact I found crazy is that my rig is still able to run EVE with graphic to maximum at 30fps, so I don't feel the need to upgrade anything, the game is fully playable.

Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:43:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Miranio
I've just received today the rebate for EVGA graphic card compatible with SM3. The idea is pretty cool, but they are all PCI-E ... my motherboard is AGP, so then I'll need a new motherboard, that mean, new RAM and a new CPU... Upgrading the graphic card is not the only thing here, If I support only SM2 it's because that I have to change my whole computer to get SM3 ( and being a computer nearly 10 years old, I won't put another 150$ on it for a new graphic card AGP that support SM3 it's just crazy to put money on an old rig like that )

The fact I found crazy is that my rig is still able to run EVE with graphic to maximum at 30fps, so I don't feel the need to upgrade anything, the game is fully playable.


Where did you get the rebate? My inbox is still empty.

Cyxopyc
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.03.26 21:50:00 - [137]
 

Edited by: Cyxopyc on 26/03/2011 21:50:27
Originally by: Katrina Bekers

I'm complaining that I won't be able to use a non-gaming platform for those activities that are PROVEN they don't require a modern-gaming-class hardware platform, and that today I'm able to do after workhours. Trading is Excel at best; actually text-mode with 2D graphs would be far more than enough. PI is basically overview-and-customs flying (you can do that with map screen open, WITHOUT any 3D output). Refuelling POSes is just moving RASTER pictures (again, no 3D required at all, doable on map screen) from one container to another. I'd offend your intelligence if I'd say that chatting would require Shader Model 3.0, ain't it?

Said so, what part of "activities that don't require high end graphics" you seem to not understand?

At home I have a machine that happily supports SM4.0, so I'm not complaining about CCP preventing me from playing. But stripping me of a convenience, without any real reason to do so.

Even in 2011, there ARE situations where a low-end output would be desirable, if possible, in addition to the "oooh shiny" one used to sell accounts.

In my original post I started with "Ok, CCP, nice move and all". I'm not complaining for the sake of it. I'm complaining for the rather lame excuse ("8 years old" is a deceiving statement - proven wrong by many other postsers, myself included), and intentionally and unreasonably reduction of game options. That's all.


I agree with Katrina.

Unfortunately I think there're only about 12 people in the world that might agree with us and none of them are in charge of video game development.

I wish there were more options in EVE (and other games) to not display graphics. I've seen the benefits of less graphics in many good games in many ways.

I can only assume the reason developers refuse to allow the turning off of graphics is it's an easy way to draw a line on what systems the game will run on. Doing this restricts the variety of systems the company has to support and so creates fewer phone calls and e-mails to deal with.

It's also easier to not add another option. No matter how simple it is to add a check box to turn off the rendering of a model it does take some time to code the option into the client and into the game.

We should be grateful we can at least turn off drone models and a few other effects in EVE.

I don't suppose CCP might add gamma control? I hate having to wear my sunglasses inside a nebula or near a star.

Klam
Amarr
FACTS on EVE
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.03.26 23:39:00 - [138]
 

Ha.

What a joke. I just got the "discount code." A whopping 10%.

It brings EVGA brand video cards bought direct from EVGA to similar prices as EVGA and other brand NVidia cards when purchased from other online vendors.

Maybe, I shouldn't complain as this issue doesn't impact my main system directly. But I'm just bothered that this special deal is the equivalent of a FU to anyone who bothers to check the lowest hardware price anywhere else.

Kudos to whatever EVGA marketing person talked CCP into this direct marketing campaign, but for the actual players impacted by this, it's a joke.

For those that were using small portable laptops/netbooks that can't handle this anymore: checkout the Dell/Alienware Mx11. http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-m11x/fs it packs a good gaming punch in a small package for only $599.

For others with specific vid card issues for desktops... I recommend just asking your corp alliance mates for help. They can give you the attention your issue needs.


Mira Teslee
Posted - 2011.03.27 00:01:00 - [139]
 

Just determined my graphics card (GeForce 9500 GT) has Shader 3. I should be fine. Smile

Arushia
Nova Labs
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2011.03.27 00:58:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Miranio
I've just received today the rebate for EVGA graphic card compatible with SM3. The idea is pretty cool, but they are all PCI-E ... my motherboard is AGP, so then I'll need a new motherboard, that mean, new RAM and a new CPU... Upgrading the graphic card is not the only thing here, If I support only SM2 it's because that I have to change my whole computer to get SM3 ( and being a computer nearly 10 years old, I won't put another 150$ on it for a new graphic card AGP that support SM3 it's just crazy to put money on an old rig like that )

The fact I found crazy is that my rig is still able to run EVE with graphic to maximum at 30fps, so I don't feel the need to upgrade anything, the game is fully playable.


I had a similar issue with the eVGA offer. There are no instructions given for how I'm supposed to cram one of those things into a laptop.

DeEllen Fitzgerald
Posted - 2011.03.27 02:26:00 - [141]
 

Just got my "special offer" today. I compared the offer to what I can get at newegg.com. Lets see, 3 cards you can't even buy anymore(those would be the EVGA GeForce GTX 430/440/450); the EVGA GeForce GTX 460, with a Newegg mail in $30 rebate, makes it ~$10 cheaper than the "Special Offer", and the EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB is the same price (after mail in rebates on both offers)...so the 10%, if the MIR is still good, might save you ~$10-12.

Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.03.27 02:30:00 - [142]
 

Edited by: Maul555 on 27/03/2011 02:51:57
Edited by: Maul555 on 27/03/2011 02:34:01
Edited by: Maul555 on 27/03/2011 02:30:39
Originally by: Klam
Ha.

What a joke. I just got the "discount code." A whopping 10%.

It brings EVGA brand video cards bought direct from EVGA to similar prices as EVGA and other brand NVidia cards when purchased from other online vendors.

Maybe, I shouldn't complain as this issue doesn't impact my main system directly. But I'm just bothered that this special deal is the equivalent of a FU to anyone who bothers to check the lowest hardware price anywhere else.

Kudos to whatever EVGA marketing person talked CCP into this direct marketing campaign, but for the actual players impacted by this, it's a joke.

For those that were using small portable laptops/netbooks that can't handle this anymore: checkout the Dell/Alienware Mx11. http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-m11x/fs it packs a good gaming punch in a small package for only $599.

For others with specific vid card issues for desktops... I recommend just asking your corp alliance mates for help. They can give you the attention your issue needs.




Agreed. EVGA's cards are overpriced. This discount doesnt even bring the price down to a competative level with the equivalent card from other brands. I am still getting a new card tho. Factory OC'd MSI GTX 460 for $150 before rebate compared to the EVGA for about $165 after this awesome "discount"... And the MSI card has a much better heatsink and overclock. Coming from a 4 year old 512Mb Radeon 3870, it should be a big improvement and able to drag me thru another 3+ years I think.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.27 11:26:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Cyxopyc
Unfortunately I think there're only about 12 people in the world that might agree with us and none of them are in charge of video game development.


I don't mean to be rude, but there's a reason for that. Supporting older hardware which even the manufacturers stopped supporting is incredibly hard to do (and expensive) if you want to keep moving forward. As i've explained before, EVE used to require only DirectX 7 cards (though not even hardware t&l) - Why support hardware which only a vast minority of subscribers still use? It costs more than what those users actually bring in for an at best marginal benefit. Same goes for dx8, and it will be the same for dx9 at some point in the future. At a certain point you're maintaining (very costly) features which don't maintain themselves financially.

The big problem with support is, well, support. If something goes wrong with the older tech, CCP has to support it and help you solve the problem. In 3 years, Microsoft will stop supporting XP aswell, they already stopped development on it other than security updates. I expect CCP to drop official support for XP around that time aswell, maybe even sooner depending on vista/7 penetration.

It's easy to complain about older hardware not being supported anymore, but what most people don't understand is that there's a very good reason for that. Having to code for (and support) multiple rendering paths is a nightmare and will only lead to problems down the line. You may feel like you're entitled to 'your support and convenience', but at the end of the day, CCP needs to at least break even and, well, it's just a game. For now anyway ;p

Klam
Amarr
FACTS on EVE
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.03.27 18:34:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Klam
Ha.

What a joke. I just got the "discount code." A whopping 10%.

It brings EVGA brand video cards bought direct from EVGA to similar prices as EVGA and other brand NVidia cards when purchased from other online vendors.

Maybe, I shouldn't complain as this issue doesn't impact my main system directly. But I'm just bothered that this special deal is the equivalent of a FU to anyone who bothers to check the lowest hardware price anywhere else.

Kudos to whatever EVGA marketing person talked CCP into this direct marketing campaign, but for the actual players impacted by this, it's a joke.

For those that were using small portable laptops/netbooks that can't handle this anymore: checkout the Dell/Alienware Mx11. http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-m11x/fs it packs a good gaming punch in a small package for only $599.

For others with specific vid card issues for desktops... I recommend just asking your corp alliance mates for help. They can give you the attention your issue needs.




I just want to be clear ... I support the change to the game. Especially if it's used to implement some of the SM 3 performance features regarding mass quantities of the same model. Massive fleet fights anyone?

What I find offensive is the "we'll help with a hardware discount" which feels like nothing more then a targeted EVGA marketing campaign.

Did you do any research on the SM2 users before issuing this "discount deal"? I suspect that a large number if not most of the SM2 users are using laptops. Desktop users already have a large array of cost effective options for used cards and new lower end hardware that can handle SM3. It's the laptop users that are really screwed by this, as they need to buy whole new systems.

Duvida
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.03.28 04:03:00 - [145]
 

While the design of Intel's Atom is a problem for coders, the problem for coders remains how to work with this issue WITHOUT losing major support from the user/playerbase and without spending so much time on the code that they neglect other areas. Unfortunately, the Atom appears to be in widespread usage, and with EVE's type of playerbase, many of them travelling several days as a part of work, (the level of the game does keep the higher functioning player more than the other MMOs do) this decision may in fact do some kneecapping to the support of the playerbase. After all, why subscribe to a game you now can't play or even interact with very often?

Eve Midnight
Posted - 2011.03.28 09:55:00 - [146]
 

Awesome, just got my discount code in the email you guys sent out. Not sure which card to go for, please advise:

EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SE

EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB

Main diferences I see is:
1) Memory: 1024 MB, 256 bit vs 1024 MB, 192 bit GDDR5
2) Cores: 288 Processing Cores vs 192 CUDA Cores




Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.03.28 11:59:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: Zey Nadar on 28/03/2011 12:04:45
Originally by: David Carel
Originally by: LarpingBard
Tell CCP Zulu to thank the dev team for alienating a huge chunk of their users. Account is canceled guys.


3% for sure is a huge chunk.


3% out of 300000 is 9000 people. If those people pay 1 month recurring sub that would be 134550 euros lost per month. Judge yourself would it be 'nothing'.

The discount offer is nice, but does not really do much anything for majority of people who are affected by this, as they propably need a whole new computer anyway.

I understand that this kind of change eventually must be done, but I dont have to like it. Personally I never rate eyecandy above playability. So I will always be unhappy about changes forced down our throats.

Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.03.28 13:05:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Eve Midnight
Awesome, just got my discount code in the email you guys sent out. Not sure which card to go for, please advise:

EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SE

EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB

Main diferences I see is:
1) Memory: 1024 MB, 256 bit vs 1024 MB, 192 bit GDDR5
2) Cores: 288 Processing Cores vs 192 CUDA Cores






Go with the 1 gig GTX 460 SE, or a 768mb GTX 460. They are both better than the 550 Ti for the same price. There are some differences between the GTX 460 and its SE version, but you cant go wrong either way. Its a trade off... a little bit more horse power, or a little bit more ram.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.03.28 13:13:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Maul555
Originally by: Eve Midnight
Awesome, just got my discount code in the email you guys sent out. Not sure which card to go for, please advise:

EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SE

EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB

Main diferences I see is:
1) Memory: 1024 MB, 256 bit vs 1024 MB, 192 bit GDDR5
2) Cores: 288 Processing Cores vs 192 CUDA Cores






Go with the 1 gig GTX 460 SE, or a 768mb GTX 460. They are both better than the 550 Ti for the same price. There are some differences between the GTX 460 and its SE version, but you cant go wrong either way. Its a trade off... a little bit more horse power, or a little bit more ram.


Changed from Ati double pross/mem to Gigabyte GTX460 and the result is absolutely incredible for less than half price. I could buy higher versions but the one who retained my attention was the 460 and I really got for my bucks.

kaos Achasse
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.03.28 18:07:00 - [150]
 

I read many of the comments and find it interesting that some things are being missed.

How many EVE players have only DirectX 9.x installed? If you can't upgrade to DirectX 11, then your video card or chipset is out of date. You will need to get it replaced with a new one, do an upgrade, or buy a new computer - For people on a limited budget, that might be too much to ask for any game.

A very real problem is that a number of desktop computer manufacturers sold (over the past four years) what I call 'el cheapo' models that have no PCI Express slots on the motherboards. People who bought those computers are limited to either using the built-in video or PCI/AGP video cards. Up until just a bit ago, no one made a PCI video card that supported DirectX 11.. Now there is one and its not an nVidia either.

I could do a shameless plug for my real life computer company that sells that video card to USA residents but would probably be in violation of the terms of service. Sad


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