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Amarr Maniac
Posted - 2011.03.20 17:17:00 - [1]
 

Think we all agree it sucks when you get disconnected, and your drones get killed at belt by rats... Or when in pvp your fleet warps before you have drones in.

Easy way to go around this would be that drones could be trained on skills to follow in warp or even in jumps. With higher speed on higher levels of skills trained, ofc.

Please comment or pass forward to CCP.

Vito Antonio
Posted - 2011.03.20 17:29:00 - [2]
 

Drones lost on disconnect is a pretty good way to make your wallet thinner, can't see why CCP would do anything against it. Very Happy

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.03.20 18:06:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Vito Antonio
Drones lost on disconnect is a pretty good way to make your wallet thinner, can't see why CCP would do anything against it. Very Happy
Because they want to remove ISK, not stuff at this point. Losing drones does almost nothing for the removal of ISK.

Amarr Maniac
Posted - 2011.03.20 22:45:00 - [4]
 

Still, how ever CCP wanna make our isk burn, would think that when one makes isk (f.ex. with mining, so with drones too), he will buy more expensive ships etc. and risk loosing isk even more...

Eventually loosing drones are just a drop in ocean compared to that...

Not to mention how frustrated it gets some people (especially miners), even into point of ragequit...

Game needs to work, it needs to be logical...

This kinda "bugs" in game should be taken out, people judge game from beginning (usually pilots start with mining or missioning with drones), and these kind of "loosing drones for nothing"-kinda things dont make good first impression, opposite, it makes game look like failure...

So in fact I think CCP looses (new) players and more real money just because players loose isk in drones. Loosing even tech 1 drones is bad hit for beginners.

Ravenal
The Fated
E.Y
Posted - 2011.03.21 02:51:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Amarr Maniac
Still, how ever CCP wanna make our isk burn, would think that when one makes isk (f.ex. with mining, so with drones too), he will buy more expensive ships etc. and risk loosing isk even more...

Eventually loosing drones are just a drop in ocean compared to that...

Not to mention how frustrated it gets some people (especially miners), even into point of ragequit...

Game needs to work, it needs to be logical...

This kinda "bugs" in game should be taken out, people judge game from beginning (usually pilots start with mining or missioning with drones), and these kind of "loosing drones for nothing"-kinda things dont make good first impression, opposite, it makes game look like failure...

So in fact I think CCP looses (new) players and more real money just because players loose isk in drones. Loosing even tech 1 drones is bad hit for beginners.

No, you are wrong.

You are right about the drop in the ocean though ... which is what makes everything else wrong.

Also here is an explanation about isk in the game:
- isk coming from other players or going to other players from you has no impact on the isk amount in the game (duh)
- isk coming from the game (agent, bounties, insurance...) is called a faucet and directly impacts the amount of isk in the game, this is a problem if the sink isn't draining an equal amount out of the game.
- isk leaving the game (transaction tax, unclaimed insurance, jump/clone, purchase of goods from npcs ...) is called a sink.

If faucet > sink there is an inflation of isk in the game (although there might be a price deflation) while the opposite is a deflation of isk.

My Postman
Posted - 2011.03.22 10:15:00 - [6]
 

Never lost a mining drone. After dc´ing i was able to lock back quickley and slowboated to the drones to gain control. Well, from time to time i forgot them in the belts, but always remembered, so i could pick them up again.

What i find more disappointing is when getting dc in a L4 with sentrys out. 80/20 they are lost, and sentries are not that cheap. Fortunatly i have a very stable (and quick) connection, so that does´nt happen often. Last time i remember was when Tuxford messed up with the servers, and i lost 5 sentries. Ages ago, and not so much of a big deal, anyway.

Ariane VoxDei
Posted - 2011.03.24 19:33:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Vito Antonio
Drones lost on disconnect is a pretty good way to make your wallet thinner, can't see why CCP would do anything against it. Very Happy
Because they want to remove ISK, not stuff at this point. Losing drones does almost nothing for the removal of ISK.


If you make you own, from your own minerals, at your own <0.5sec pos, fuelled by your own ice and own PI.
Then you still paid some isk in export taxes for PI.
Yes, I can see why you said 'almost'.

Tbh it would be interesting to get graph of the turnover in Jita, and of the isk removed each day due to sales tax, broker fees, contract expenses.
On a global level as well.
And of course some other vital data, but since appears that even the QEN people wont mention its existance...

Imagine, on weekly/monthly basis, if we got a summary breakdown of isk taken out:
* NPC orders (total)
+ breakdown of NPC orders: skillbooks, blueprints, other.
* Clones (ordinary and jumpclones).
* LP store payments. Seperate entry for CONCORD store.
* Market sales taxes.
* Market broker fees.
* Contracts
* SOV expenses (upgrades and whatnot)
* PI taxes
* PI construction
* NPC station usages (summed up). Manufacture, all research/invention.
* Insurance costs.
* One-offs, like ISK removed from botters and RMT'ers being dispossed.
* Whatever I might have missed.

Injection:
* NPC bounties
+ bounty breakdown: Missions, Anomalies (mainly sanctums), Incursion payout, exploration (signatures, not anoms), ratting.
They probably dont have it split up yet, but they can begin doing it.
* NPC buy orders - sum up what gets sold to those, e.g. sleeper drops, overseer effects.
* Insurance payouts.
* Mission cash rewards.

That would be some hot economic data and could spice up some old debates + make QEN at least slightly interesting, by piling up a lot of that data in one place.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.24 20:19:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ariane VoxDei
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Vito Antonio
Drones lost on disconnect is a pretty good way to make your wallet thinner, can't see why CCP would do anything against it. Very Happy
Because they want to remove ISK, not stuff at this point. Losing drones does almost nothing for the removal of ISK.


If you make you own, from your own minerals, at your own <0.5sec pos, fuelled by your own ice and own PI.
Then you still paid some isk in export taxes for PI.
Yes, I can see why you said 'almost'.




He was talking about the removal of isk, not about the removal of isk FROM YOUR WALLET. Losing drones is not an isk sink.

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2011.03.24 21:59:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Scorpyn on 24/03/2011 21:59:30
Originally by: Amarr Maniac
Think we all agree it sucks when you get disconnected, and your drones get killed at belt by rats... Or when in pvp your fleet warps before you have drones in.

Easy way to go around this would be that drones could be trained on skills to follow in warp or even in jumps. With higher speed on higher levels of skills trained, ofc.

Please comment or pass forward to CCP.

I agree, except for one thing.

This should be the default behaviour. There shouldn't be any new skill involved.

Vito Antonio
Posted - 2011.03.24 22:34:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Scorpyn

I agree, except for one thing.

This should be the default behaviour. There shouldn't be any new skill involved.

no way dude this change would KILL eve

Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2011.03.25 04:58:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Vito Antonio
Originally by: Scorpyn

I agree, except for one thing.

This should be the default behaviour. There shouldn't be any new skill involved.

no way dude this change would KILL eve



Care to explain why/how?

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2011.03.25 08:25:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Vito Antonio
Originally by: Scorpyn

I agree, except for one thing.

This should be the default behaviour. There shouldn't be any new skill involved.

no way dude this change would KILL eve


Nah, it's the other way around. EVE is dead (aka still in beta) because this isn't implemented yet.

Lukriss
Caldari
Notorious Legion
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.25 11:37:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Drykor
Originally by: Ariane VoxDei
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Vito Antonio
Drones lost on disconnect is a pretty good way to make your wallet thinner, can't see why CCP would do anything against it. Very Happy
Because they want to remove ISK, not stuff at this point. Losing drones does almost nothing for the removal of ISK.


If you make you own, from your own minerals, at your own <0.5sec pos, fuelled by your own ice and own PI.
Then you still paid some isk in export taxes for PI.
Yes, I can see why you said 'almost'.




He was talking about the removal of isk, not about the removal of isk FROM YOUR WALLET. Losing drones is not an isk sink.


If you... like 99% of players are buying them of the market, then it is, a small one however, but still a bit, as none of us have any idea how often this happens, none of us can judge how big an impact it will have.

I will however say, losing them keeps some of the drone producers in buisness so makin people keep them in these situations would hurt some people.


 

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