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Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.03.19 10:42:00 - [61]
 

CSM drama, best drama \o/

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.03.19 11:00:00 - [62]
 

Why are people even bringing up Vuks lost titan like it means anything? You do realize he is the leader of one of the richest Alliances/Coalitions in the game. His personal lost titan really doesn't mean ****.

However it is apparent that CCPs attitude towards a lot of issues has been at a steady decline for quite sometime.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.19 11:00:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
Quitting something because you are not getting the result you want in the timeframe you want is not heroic. It only silences the voice that might could have continued the fight. You remove a voice that could have brought these issues up at FanFest, instead he cops out and quits.


You summed it up right there. CCP didn't bend to his, "I'm the NC leader and on the CSM so no changes to 0.0 to keep it boring and all NC ships are to be respawned after down time for us if we lose any!"

CCP won't auto-reimburse NC ships and wants to nerf logistics and power projection for super coalition and he quits like a little emo *****. Laughing

Orkasm
The Remnant Legion.
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.03.19 12:16:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: El'Niaga
Quitting something because you are not getting the result you want in the timeframe you want is not heroic. It only silences the voice that might could have continued the fight. You remove a voice that could have brought these issues up at FanFest, instead he cops out and quits.


You summed it up right there. CCP didn't bend to his, "I'm the NC leader and on the CSM so no changes to 0.0 to keep it boring and all NC ships are to be respawned after down time for us if we lose any!"

CCP won't auto-reimburse NC ships and wants to nerf logistics and power projection for super coalition and he quits like a little emo *****. Laughing


Try reading the op a little harder, mabye you could gain some insite as to why he quit the CSM. Until then STOP SPURGING it makes my eyes bleed.

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.19 12:32:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Mynxee on 19/03/2011 12:41:23
Originally by: The Mittani
CSM5 is ending with a bang, given this and the Open Letter re: Incarna drama.


Re Vuk: More like a tempest in a teapot. No one really cares, with only two weeks or so left in our term. If he really wants to demonstrate how ****ed off he is, he should just cancel all his accounts and quit EVE.

Also, the Incarna open letter is merely a public record of CSM5's concerns (as I stated in the letter's thread). There has been no drama and none expected. There has been zero response to the letter from CCP, and quite frankly given the precedent they have established related to lack of communication with CSM about Incarna, none expected.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.19 12:54:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Orkasm
Try reading the op a little harder, mabye you could gain some insite as to why he quit the CSM. Until then STOP SPURGING it makes my eyes bleed.


What I read was he was trying to help some of his friends with some petitions and it is not going his way. So he gave up and quit. Does he use his CSM influence to try and help non-blues with their petitions?

Also your posting is some of the worst.

Winternight Depression
Posted - 2011.03.19 15:18:00 - [67]
 


Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.03.19 15:23:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Mynxee
Edited by: Mynxee on 19/03/2011 12:41:23
Re Vuk: More like a tempest in a teapot. No one really cares, with only two weeks or so left in our term. If he really wants to demonstrate how ****ed off he is, he should just cancel all his accounts and quit EVE.

1. Mynxee: Best CSM (w/Diedra Vaal!).


2. Vuk quit.

That's what it looks like. If he *really* wanted to push his agenda, he would have made CCP pay his way to Iceland, then made a *REAL* stink. In every meeting that he could get into. Far as I can see, all he did was quit (but, +points for giving the alternate a couple weeks notice).

3. mittens: No one doubts he's going to get into the CSM, because of his name, and his affiliations. However, because of *who* he is (super serious internets space-lawyer) - he will be no more effective than Jade Constantine was. ENTIRELY because he's such a divisive figure. And possibly even *less* effective...

No one will trust what he has to say, because he's said so many times that he's a lying manipulative bastard (re: lawyer).


RE: The O/P: I've done about a half dozen petitions. Got fast turn around on the important ones, decent service on the rest. vOv

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.03.19 16:21:00 - [69]
 

He probably couldn't get off from work to go to FF and decided to use the opportunity for grand standing Smile

CSM5 is all but wrapped up so he loses nothing and gains points with whomever is gullible enough (or do not follow politics in general)..

Guess this constitutes the CSM version of 'emoragequit' which is in all honesty what I have come to expect from the MeMeMeMe crowd living in null currently.

DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.19 17:23:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: DaiTengu on 19/03/2011 17:23:42
I completely understand where Vuk was coming from.

I had a petition in once where a POS magically warped to another moon that already had a POS, so there was a POS inside of a POS. The modules on the pos that moved remained at the old place.

You couldn't change settings on either POS because they were in each other's POS bubbles, so tearing it down wasn't an option.


It took THREE WEEKS to resolve the situation. It was eventually solved by a GM manning the "stuck" queue who just destroyed one POS and re-created it. that's all we wanted.


It took another week after that for the original GM to reply with "sorry we can't reimburse you for the lost minerals you would have mined! lulz!" which we expected anyway.


This is just the most flagrant example of terrible GM petitions. I've had plenty of petitions responded to with canned responses because they weren't read completely (or at all).


I don't expect 1 hour turn arounds on petitions, but a little competency, and SOME timeliness (or responses claiming to be "working on the issue") would be a massive improvement.


Besides, it's not like I'm petitioning "hay my toonie got blown up in his mommie by smarties and i lost a bunch of iskies can i hav it bak plzzz mr gm sirrrrrrrr"



Pherick Sjang
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.19 18:43:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: Pherick Sjang
very obvious bias


You mean like all those NC super capital ships that died and were respawned after down time and CCP let them keep them?

Nah, I was thinking more of exploits like.. oh.. I dunno.. duping. And, you know, the general CCP belief that nullsec must be nerfed to hell at worst and ignored at best while they focus their efforts on improving life for the hisec mission runners and Jita undock campers.

Originally by: Pherick Sjang
Unfair Ridiculous nerfs to 0.0. Unwillingness to accept player input.


Still worried jump bridges will be nerfed and the entire NC power block will collapse over night and you will be subjected to having to put forth :effort: into living there? I welcome the idea of logistics and power projection that requires effort again.

Oh yeah, those ideas were brought up by the player base and CCP is listened. Vuk is just hoping to pull a "I'm resigning because of microtransaction on remap!" bit like T'Amber did.


Do you have any idea how much effort it takes to live in nullsec -now-? How much work it takes to import materials, construct ships, distribute ships to market hubs? How much of a pain in the ass it is to get fleets formed up and moving to their destination? Power projection won't really be negatively impacted, but the lives of individual players will be made about 10 times harder than they need to be.

Those ideas were brought up by ***goty hisec mission runners in terrible 8 member corps, much like yourself.

Ripard Teg
Whitestone Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.19 19:01:00 - [72]
 

I have written a blog post with my comments on this.

Leia Hertz
Posted - 2011.03.19 19:03:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Last night I resigned as CSM delegate.

One of my main goals was pointing how horrible CCP customer support is. For me this was top priority especially if we take into consideration that EVE is extremely complex, undocumented and bugged product.




Eve is working as intended. While Eve might have some bugs here and there; it isn't perfect because nothing humanity makes is perfect.

Vuk is mad he isn't #winning and does an /emoragequit? Priceless!

Eve is a fascinating simulation of the human condition and is maliciously clever in separating the winners and the losers according to merit and ability and the willingness to win.

In Eve as in life, you really only have three choices when presented with a situation--You adapt to the situation or you ***** about how the situation should be or you let the situation make the decision for you.

It looks like the situation made the decision for Vuk, so can I have your stuff when you /emoragequit? Surprised

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.19 19:12:00 - [74]
 

ex-tri posters remind me a lot of bob posters; their arguments all amount to a smug declaration that they and only they know the 'right' way to play eve online, followed by demands that anyone else's way of playing be removed asap 'for the good of the game'

i suppose that explains why such personalities constantly clashed and resulted in like seven alliance cascades/respawns

Legal Assistant
Posted - 2011.03.19 19:42:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
ex-tri posters remind me a lot of bob posters; their arguments all amount to a smug declaration that they and only they know the 'right' way to play eve online, followed by demands that anyone else's way of playing be removed asap 'for the good of the game'


As opposed to you claiming that you, and only you, know the "right" way to run the CSM, followed by assertions that you should be Chairman "for the good of the game"? Razz

Daemonspirit
Six Degrees of Separation
Posted - 2011.03.19 21:22:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Daemonspirit on 19/03/2011 21:29:05
Originally by: Pherick Sjang
Those ideas were brought up by ***goty hisec mission runners in terrible 8 member corps, much like yourself.


Obvious bias is obvious... Rolling Eyes

Brave Sir Robin! (for those who didn't know.... ;)

Zemkhoff
Posted - 2011.03.19 23:22:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
ex-tri posters remind me a lot of bob posters; their arguments all amount to a smug declaration that they and only they know the 'right' way to play eve online, followed by demands that anyone else's way of playing be removed asap 'for the good of the game'

i suppose that explains why such personalities constantly clashed and resulted in like seven alliance cascades/respawns


glass houses and all

Gertrud ToD
Terrorists of Dimensions
Electric Monkey Overlords
Posted - 2011.03.20 00:29:00 - [78]
 

so vuk lau is resigning at the end of his csm period?
resigning at the end seriously sets a sign.


rofl.

end-of-cycle-csm trying to have a cool ending.

Rgarcia
Posted - 2011.03.20 01:26:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Rgarcia on 20/03/2011 01:26:57
Mittani, you are really trying hard to win. I lol when I read that post. It seems only one, not more than one, but one person was upset over ccp cust service. All the other CSMs were fine with ccp. One disgruntled guy cries and you use it for trying to get people believing YOU will be the man to do stuff. lol It seems you are getting desperate! What else will you pull out of your azzhat?

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.03.20 02:00:00 - [80]
 

Look, it is simple. If Vuk actually wanted to make a statement, he should have posted this stupid thread himself. Letting mittani create the thread is a pretty damn clear indicator of what this whole thing is actually all about.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.20 02:19:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Rgarcia
Edited by: Rgarcia on 20/03/2011 01:26:57
Mittani, you are really trying hard to win. I lol when I read that post. It seems only one, not more than one, but one person was upset over ccp cust service. All the other CSMs were fine with ccp. One disgruntled guy cries and you use it for trying to get people believing YOU will be the man to do stuff. lol It seems you are getting desperate! What else will you pull out of your azzhat?


post some more about how scamming makes you a bad person, i loved your earlier work

Vuk Lau
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.03.20 02:38:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: Orkasm
Try reading the op a little harder, mabye you could gain some insite as to why he quit the CSM. Until then STOP SPURGING it makes my eyes bleed.


What I read was he was trying to help some of his friends with some petitions and it is not going his way. So he gave up and quit. Does he use his CSM influence to try and help non-blues with their petitions?

Also your posting is some of the worst.


I was being involved in 5 times more petitions for neutrals/reds then for the blues in last year or so, there goes your ****ty trol. Also if you have halfbrain you would know that GMs cant know that anyone else is writing the petitions cause sharing private communication with CCP employees is breach of TOS/EULA.

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
He probably couldn't get off from work to go to FF and decided to use the opportunity for grand standing Smile

I am running my own company so its not a problem for me to give myself days off :p

Originally by: Two step
Look, it is simple. If Vuk actually wanted to make a statement, he should have posted this stupid thread himself. Letting mittani create the thread is a pretty damn clear indicator of what this whole thing is actually all about.


I initially posted the thread on the RAWR forums only and later in the evening on the NC HC and RZR forums. Despite knowing this will eventually end posted publicly it was not aimed for the general population.


I had an option to travel to Iceland and raise my concerns on roundtables and panels but I already did that on 5-6-7 previous Iceland trips. Also as I said despite looking forward seeing a lot of chill EVE players and CCP guys/girls I would eventually see a lot of CCP dudes I think all the worse (professionally not personally ofc). As getting older my tolerance bar for stupidity is bellow ground zero so I would either have to contain "anger" inside myself (which is unhealthy) or to cast rage publicly which will not serve the purpose.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.03.20 02:49:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: White Tree on 20/03/2011 02:50:10
Quote:
You see I do not like Vuk Lau even though I have never spoken to him. Now let me tell you about my thoughts on the NC,


This is basically what a lot of you dumbdumbs are doing itt.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.20 05:47:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
ex-tri posters remind me a lot of bob posters; their arguments all amount to a smug declaration that they and only they know the 'right' way to play eve online, followed by demands that anyone else's way of playing be removed asap 'for the good of the game'


There will never be a 100% agreement between players on how the game should be. You know this. Everyone will debate till they turn blue in the face because they truly believe their version is the right one. It is a never ending battle. Do you agree?

The one key factor is time. Players willingness to travel a certain amount of time to get to a target varies. The longer it takes for a player to get there, the number of players wanting to make the trip goes down and down. This applies to many things. Same for the market. Buy a module for 2.5 million ISK at the station your in or travel 19 jumps away to buy the same module for 2.49 million ISK. Is traveling 19 jumps to save 10k ISK really worth the players time? Of course not. Do you agree?

I am one of the players who would like to see smaller local wars in 0.0. In order for this to happen it means iteration on the sov system, moons, POS's, local resources, more space, mining, nerf, boosts, balancing, blah, blah, blah... Then so ****ing be it.

Power projection has become easier and easier in this game due to game changes and more players playing. At what point does it slow down? When a coalition can click a button, appear next to a small tower on the opposite side of the galaxy that a ten man corp setup as a stating point for some exploration, obliterate the tower and corp in a matter of seconds, click a button and have their armada of thousands of ships instantly be teleported back in time for lunch?

If that same armada was told they had to take every gate to get to the ten man small tower that had no moon value, no space value, would you still get the same number of pilots?

If you want it to remain a power block haven then so be it. At least give you opinion and stand by it instead of just looking at someone's alliance history as a cop out to letting everyone know where you stand on what the game should be. Is the current version of 0.0 the way you think it should be?

I honestly don't expect you to answer me in any sensible way. Not without every second word being about some comment on T20 or a persons alliance history, neither adding anything of value to your statement.

Originally by: The Mittani
i suppose that explains why such personalities constantly clashed and resulted in like seven alliance cascades/respawns


Is Goonswarm still on its first version? If so then why does it say Goonswarm Federation?

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.20 07:48:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 20/03/2011 08:02:03
Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: The Mittani
ex-tri posters remind me a lot of bob posters; their arguments all amount to a smug declaration that they and only they know the 'right' way to play eve online, followed by demands that anyone else's way of playing be removed asap 'for the good of the game'


There will never be a 100% agreement between players on how the game should be.


Except, of course, this ignores the actual issue.
Most nullsec folks simply want to play the game the way they want to play it. If other people want to form small pirate alliances, or mercenary alliances, or play in lowsec, or play in FW in lowsec, or play in wormholes, or run missions in Empire until their fingers fall off, then they're fine with that. They just want to play the game their way.

Then there are others who declare that small PvP is better than everything. Or mid-sized PvP is better than everything. Or roaming gangs are better than everything. Or what have you. And then they declare that the game mechanics themselves have to be changed to boost that play style and nerf opposing play styles. Some go even further and rage while trying to argue for reasons that people shouldn't freely associate in a sandbox game and form political structures as they see fit in a game that's driven by player-created content.

Quote:

I am one of the players who would like to see smaller local wars in 0.0. In order for this to happen it means iteration on the sov system, moons, POS's, local resources, more space, mining, nerf, boosts, balancing, blah, blah, blah...


Actually, it means you need to find some other people who also want small local wars, and go fight them instead of trying to change those who want large, trans-regional wars.
It's a solution so obvious that you've gone right past it and onto trying to force through game mechanics changes to stop other people playing the way they want. It's just as wrong, and for the same reasons, as someone who only wanted large-scale inter-regional conflicts and demanded that small fleets be nerfed.


Quote:

Is Goonswarm still on its first version?


For all practical purposes, yes.
The Goons did not cascade anymore than BoB/KenZoku did before we kicked them out of their space.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.20 08:39:00 - [86]
 

So FinnAgain, what you are basically saying is that you believe all the players in 0.0, when it comes to PvP should be between huge power blocks and if it is small to medium sized PvP they should go somewhere else besides 0.0?

Do you also believe that all the current game mechanics that are associated with 0.0 are working perfectly?

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.20 08:55:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 20/03/2011 08:56:43
Originally by: Marconus Orion
you are basically saying is that you believe all the players in 0.0, when it comes to PvP should be between huge power blocks and if it is small to medium sized PvP they should go somewhere else besides 0.0


No. Not only is that not "basically" what I said, it has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

And of course not all 0.0 mechanics are working perfectly. But that also has nothing to do with your desire to deliberately alter game mechanics in order nerf play styles you don't like in order boost play styles you do like.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.20 09:10:00 - [88]
 

Then what are you saying?

You do a **** ton of talking without actually saying anything. Maybe they should limit the amount of characters in your post to that of a Tweet or a Haiku so you don't bury what you want to say with a bunch of nonsense.

lisa herrick
Posted - 2011.03.20 09:13:00 - [89]
 

well spoken lady spanky - you look to be truely spankworthy !


FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.20 09:59:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
Then what are you saying?


Hint: what I actually said.

Originally by: Marconus Orion
without actually saying anything.


Your failure to comprehend is not an error on my part.


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