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Vuk Lau
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.03.18 22:59:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Lady Spanky
Fun to see The Mittani backpeddling. Pathetic to see the Goon / NC guy ragequitting because he couldn't use his CSM position to get his ship back.

This is precisely why we need fewer 0.0 alliance reps on the CSM. The fact that Vuk Lau even ADMITS to corruptly trying to influence the outcome of a petition is seriously scary.


Spotted GM alt. C/P Generic troll without even reading the op.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:07:00 - [32]
 

Nah, not GM alt, just generic troll.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:08:00 - [33]
 

i don't even see how vuk resigning is supposed to help my candidacy, this is like arguing with jesus freaks about if i'm going to hell or not

Derek McGiggles
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:09:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
i don't even see how vuk resigning is supposed to help my candidacy, this is like arguing with jesus freaks about if i'm going to hell or not


Mittens, watcha gonna do if CCP decides to play the deaf card?

iP0D
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:17:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Derek McGiggles
Originally by: The Mittani
i don't even see how vuk resigning is supposed to help my candidacy, this is like arguing with jesus freaks about if i'm going to hell or not


Mittens, watcha gonna do if CCP decides to play the deaf card?


hurf blurf grandstanding on tentonhammer while yapping to buddies.

Just like a regular capsuleer with a blog really.

Cool

Or, he could try to get to work with the rest of CSM and the good parts of CCP constructively, consistantly, transparantly. Like Meissa, Mynxee, Trebor, Dierdra, Teadaze, etc in CSM 5.

Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:22:00 - [36]
 

I'm just going to post this link to show what I would do after I heard this news because I'm lacking a real one

http://www.flipsideshow.com/images/US%20flag%20waving.jpg

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:45:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: iP0D
hurf blurf grandstanding on tentonhammer while yapping to buddies


Heh heh...calls to mind for some reason the time when PCGamer's usual EVE reporter passed to another person the responsibility for a CSM5 interview that didn't reflect so well on CCP because he "didn't want to ruin chances of getting scoops from CCP about new features and stuff". The interview was never published, regardless.

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.18 23:55:00 - [38]
 

I feel kind of bad now, Mittens. Sorry for ruining your big drama. More time to work on next week's though, eh?

Remember people THEY'RE LYING TO YOU.

Mittens said so. And he knows a lot about manipulation. He's saving us from those evil lies.




FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.19 00:21:00 - [39]
 

Do they sell crazy by the bushel, or do they use metric these days?

Lady Spanky
Perkone
Posted - 2011.03.19 00:36:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Lady Spanky on 19/03/2011 00:37:13
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
Do they sell crazy by the bushel, or do they use metric these days?


Your paymaster Mittens is hardly going to be delighted that you're bumping this PR disaster of a thread... Bet you're kicking yourself that it cost him more to bribe the Eve News 24 website for an official endorsement than your own 'impartial' Eve Tribune website. I'm willing to bet he only paid you about 200m for that.



The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.19 00:47:00 - [41]
 

the purestrain rageposts in reaction to a thread not particularly relevant to me personally are a good sign for my csm run, i think

if you weren't scared, you kids wouldn't be this desperate to flail about so ^_^

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.19 01:27:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Lady Spanky

Your paymaster



So... bushels then?

Imigo Montoya
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.19 01:52:00 - [43]
 

All the poop flinging and dummy spitting going on in this thread show just how much CSM needs rational clear headed candidates voted in. Just like me. Wink

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.19 02:03:00 - [44]
 

This is now a WIDOT thread.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.03.19 02:05:00 - [45]
 

OP, minus his comments (since who really cares what Mittani has to say anyway) did yet again another "lets post something for no reason".

Vuk Lau didnt even run for CSM this term but to say he 'resigned' is pretty funny since he only started whining about CSM / CCP after his term was over anyway like a little baby, haha.

As for Mittani being in, well that was obvious, no one for a second thought you wouldnt get in, the sheeps will follow you as long as you have your title, the contradiction in EVERY Mittani thread just shows how stupid Goons are, agreeing just because "Its the Mittani" careless of the fact that Mittani hasnít been consistent about anything he has said since he started his ďlets obsess about Molle campaignĒ.

FinnAgain Zero - Yeah, still ignoring your posts

This thread is almost as funny as those 1 day alts spamming my mailbox with "HAHAH you got rejected from CSM" which is funny since I never applied nor had the time to commit to something like that anyway.

Coming soon,..

'Mittens - The hand that rocked the cradle'

A documentary about how Mittani RP's Sarah Palin in game and at the CSM meetings, which resulted in daily whines about how supercarriers were underpowered and how jump bridges needed a buff.

Thankfully CCP wont give a **** what he has to say anyway

Pirokobo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.19 02:12:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
Thankfully CCP wont give a **** what he has to say anyway


CCP has already threatened to sue him for what he had to say in the past...

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.03.19 03:11:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Kalle Demos on 19/03/2011 03:11:07
Originally by: Pirokobo
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Thankfully CCP wont give a **** what he has to say anyway


CCP has already threatened to sue him for what he had to say in the past...


Yup im sure CCP will make a fortune out of suing people in a different country with no assets or income (outside RMT), all because they 'said words'. Rolling Eyes

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.19 03:18:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 19/03/2011 03:24:27
Originally by: Kalle Demos

FinnAgain Zero - Yeah, still ignoring your posts


Hey, hey Finn! Finn! I'm not listening to you!!! Can you hear me? I said I'm totally ignoring you! Finn? Did you hear me!?! Hey, I'm ignoring you!!!

By the way, speaking of your obvious trolling, found a cite yet to prove that the NC only had 20 titans and about 8 motherships, among all their member alliances? How about proof that any single NC supercapital pilot had their loss removed (and somehow also removed from hostile boards, go figure)? How about a cite to show that Razor has set AAA and AtlasDOT blue?
No?

Yeah...

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.03.19 03:43:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
I try too hard to brown nose


Still not caring

Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.19 05:05:00 - [50]
 

I think we can all agree that all forums everywhere will be better off when Kalle Demos stops posting forever.

Also, if this were a Mittani-run conspiracy, Vuk would have gone to Fanfest and loudly denounced CCP GMs live on EveTV. With his pecker out.

FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.19 05:15:00 - [51]
 

Hell, if it was a Mittspicracy, Vuk would have endorsed Mittens as the only hope for EVE.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.03.19 05:19:00 - [52]
 

No honor in resigning.

Sorry but if you felt strongly enough about the issue you should have championed it as long as you can. By resigning you only remove the only voice fighting against it. It's kinda how certain politicians fled a state recently to avoid voting, and then were upset because votes were held why they were derelict in their duty.

Reimbursement has been inconsistent for years, we all know that. It largely depended on who got your case whether or not you'd get reimbursed. While we may not agree with the stated Reimbursement policy at least it is there for all of us to see now, which is better than what we had before.

We all know the servers can't handle thousands in a system, yet everyone keeps sending thousands into them. A gentlemen's agreement not to send more than 300 on each side into a fight would probably help more than anything CCP can do. This doesn't mean you couldn't have reinforcements next door to replace losses.

Lag is a problem I'm not going to deny that. It was better prior to Dominion, which means the problem most likely lies in the Dominion code. However it can never be completely eliminated as our technology level isn't high enough to do so.

Aurora Xadi
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.19 05:19:00 - [53]
 

What "bang", some guy didn't get preferential treatment from the GM department like the important internet politician he thinks he is so he threw a sissy fit and resigned when his turn is over anyway.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.19 06:43:00 - [54]
 

So Vuk Lau loses a titan and tries to use his CSM position to get CCP to give it back. I am not surprised by this. Quitting the CSM in a temper tantrum is also not surprising.

You got what you deserved Vuk. You have been the biggest opposition to fixing 0.0 and pushed for it to remain the same stale and stagnant ultra power block **** it has been for a long time now.

The funny thing about all this the fact that the CSM alternate that will take your place, will easily be more active in the last two weeks of the term than you have been for the entire term. Let's face it, you will not be missed. Hell, you were never really there to begin with.

If CCP decides to remove/nerf jump bridges, you going to quit the game too?

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.19 07:29:00 - [55]
 

Good riddance? If Vuksí post is representative of his ability to communicate, just how valuable could he have been? Iíve little patience for quitters, especially when there was so little time left in his tenure.

I donít much care for ďThe MittaniĒ, but I donít really see how he benefits from Vuk resigning.

Speaking solely for myself, petitions are usually met with courtesy and some attempt at reasonable resolution. No, not all GMís are created equal and this is why CCP put in the ability to escalate a situation to a higher, more senior, GM and/or review board. Iíve only had to escalate a petition once and the situation was quickly taken care of when I did. I havenít experienced any worse customer support from the GMís than I have from any other customer support team. Other people are obviously having issues, but Iíve never seen a company that didnít have a similar situation.

The CSM has largely disappointed me as it has others. However, CSM5 did make some serious contributions to the game of EVE. I donít agree with everything they did and didnít do, but some of the things they did were absolutely for the improvement of the game and were an invaluable platform for feedback to CCP.

CCP has disappointed me as well, over the years, however they do seem to be growing up a bit and have pleasantly surprised me of late. Am I in love with all their decisions? Heck no, but they do show signs of improvement.

Seems like Vuk had himself a little hissy fit and thatís just about it. I doubt it will have any sort of lasting effect. More likely people will forget about this in a couple months.

-Windjammer

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.03.19 08:19:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Kalle Demos on 19/03/2011 08:31:15
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Kayl Breinhar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.19 08:59:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
I feel kind of bad now, Mittens. Sorry for ruining your big drama. More time to work on next week's though, eh?

Remember people THEY'RE LYING TO YOU.

Mittens said so. And he knows a lot about manipulation. He's saving us from those evil lies.



This coming from the guy whose platform is basically "I promise to glare meanly at 'Mittens & Co.' and be as obstructionist as possible simply to screw over those dumb goonies while enjoying my free trip to Iceland hey guys MYYYYY turbo diesel estate sportscar."

Pherick Sjang
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.19 09:57:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Pherick Sjang on 19/03/2011 09:58:09
For those of you unable to read, let me 'splain it to you.

He's not going "zomg i dint get preferential treatment, im quitting!"

He's resigning because the GMs, as a whole, tend towards incompetence and very obvious bias, and all attempts to get the issue addressed fell on (predictably) deaf ears, meaning the only way to raise awareness of the problem was through a big, public gesture.

CCP, CSM candidates, LISTEN UP! The players are speaking. GM incompetence. Institutionalized bias. Unfair reimbursement policies. Ridiculous nerfs to 0.0. Unwillingness to accept player input. THESE ARE THINGS THAT CONCERN US.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.03.19 10:33:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Pherick Sjang
very obvious bias


You mean like all those NC super capital ships that died and were respawned after down time and CCP let them keep them?

Originally by: Pherick Sjang
Unfair Ridiculous nerfs to 0.0. Unwillingness to accept player input.


Still worried jump bridges will be nerfed and the entire NC power block will collapse over night and you will be subjected to having to put forth :effort: into living there? I welcome the idea of logistics and power projection that requires effort again.

Oh yeah, those ideas were brought up by the player base and CCP is listened. Vuk is just hoping to pull a "I'm resigning because of microtransaction on remap!" bit like T'Amber did.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.03.19 10:34:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Pherick Sjang
Edited by: Pherick Sjang on 19/03/2011 09:58:09
For those of you unable to read, let me 'splain it to you.

He's not going "zomg i dint get preferential treatment, im quitting!"

He's resigning because the GMs, as a whole, tend towards incompetence and very obvious bias, and all attempts to get the issue addressed fell on (predictably) deaf ears, meaning the only way to raise awareness of the problem was through a big, public gesture.

CCP, CSM candidates, LISTEN UP! The players are speaking. GM incompetence. Institutionalized bias. Unfair reimbursement policies. Ridiculous nerfs to 0.0. Unwillingness to accept player input. THESE ARE THINGS THAT CONCERN US.


The bias has existed as long as I've played, the Devs are themselves biased always have been. It exists in every game. It happens because most of the GM pool is always taken from the player pool, as such they have friends and inevitably will be more lenient towards friends than foes. I think that's why CCP published for the first time a Reembursement policy since I've been here, they wanted to work on improving what would happen, we may not like what it says but it is progress at least we all know where we stand now and that works to remove bias. At the same time it removes the wiggle room GMs used in the past. In a way Vuk was successful just not in the way he wanted.

Quitting something because you are not getting the result you want in the timeframe you want is not heroic. It only silences the voice that might could have continued the fight. You remove a voice that could have brought these issues up at FanFest, instead he cops out and quits.


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