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Ciphero
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.18 10:23:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ciphero on 18/03/2011 10:23:32
Back in t'day, Eve genuinely did have a more mature community than many other MMO's (the big bad WoW chief among them), probably due to the inherently steep learning curve. The kids and denser members of society were turned away by the game itself, unwilling as it was to compensate for their short attention spans and the short planks that they were as thick as. Eve is now 8 years old, and has (quite rightly) opened itself up to a greater audience - 10,000 online is no longer remotely noteworthy, let alone an event everyone gets excited about.

The downside to this wonderful growth is that that maturity in the community has gone. That's fine - that puts the Eve community on the same level pegging as other MMOs. What other MMOs generally don't do, however, is look down their noses with undeserved arrogance and smugly proclaim that they're different. Over in Eve, you can read about the "WoW kids" in every other thread, two posts below "lol jew ***" being considered a worthy reply.

Be immature, be childish, be embarrassing. Don't pretend you're better.

Edit: Opinions mine, not necessarily that of my corp/alliance/yadda yadda.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.18 10:26:00 - [2]
 

Apart from an increase in phrases like "jewing it up" (which frankly I find offensive and I'm not Jewish), the forums are much the same as they were in 2003-2005. No better, no worse.

There's just a lot more alts trolling now.

Ciphero
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.18 10:28:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Othran
Apart from an increase in phrases like "jewing it up" (which frankly I find offensive and I'm not Jewish), the forums are much the same as they were in 2003-2005. No better, no worse.

There's just a lot more alts trolling now.


I don't find the phrases offensive as such (I might if I were Jewish, who knows), I just find them in stark opposition to the way some players seem to portray the community as a whole.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.18 10:32:00 - [4]
 

Well the first time someone told me that Eve had a "better community" than most MMOs I laughed.

When Eve won some community award I actually wrecked a keyboard as I laughed so hard I spilled hot tea all over it - it never recovered from that even after cleaning Very Happy

With very few exceptions the Eve (forum) community are a shower of ********s you WOULD cross the street to avoid talking to.

I seem to remember the same being true in 2003 - Miner2 drama anyone? Very Happy

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.03.18 10:34:00 - [5]
 

Its ironic how this thread is coming from a guy in TEST.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.03.18 10:35:00 - [6]
 

Can we define "we"?

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.18 10:37:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Can we define "we"?


IME its normally used to mean "someone else" Wink

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.18 10:47:00 - [8]
 

Answering your question: no, we can't stop it. We must compensate for the fact we are a little gang of devoted freaks nobody has ever ehard off outside of MMORPG world, whereas our only real competitor (as non-franchised MMORPG) happens to be like 20 times larger and is made by a company like 10 times bigger than ours.

Provided the difference, we and our company perform better than they do, but they are big and we are small and that will never ever change as long as we are who we are.

We are proud to be kings of the molehill and deserve to laugh at the real king if we as much as we feel like doing it. We are no threat to them and they are no threat to us.

And of course, they suck a lot.*


*PS: I had an idea to compare graphics by posting two pics altogether, one EVE's and other WoW's, but as each time that I undertake to look for "cool" images from WoW, I've grown appalled very quick at the garbage some companies throw their consumer's way. For Jove's sake, how can WoW graphics SUCK so much!?!? Not just the avatars (ROFTL!!!), everything is stuck somewhere back in the 90s! Talk about quantity versus quality...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.03.18 10:54:00 - [9]
 

Can we stop reading CAOD and pretending it's representative of the typical forum discourse ?

Archbeholder
Posted - 2011.03.18 10:56:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai

Provided the difference, we and our company perform better than they do, but they are big and we are small and that will never ever change as long as we are who we are.

We are proud to be kings of the molehill and deserve to laugh at the real king if we as much as we feel like doing it. We are no threat to them and they are no threat to us.



You and your company can't even reach 500k subscriptions.
HTFU.

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:06:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ciphero
Wahh wahh.

GB2WOW n00b.

Marija Vanszar
Caldari
The Warp Pub
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:10:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Archbeholder
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai

Provided the difference, we and our company perform better than they do, but they are big and we are small and that will never ever change as long as we are who we are.

We are proud to be kings of the molehill and deserve to laugh at the real king if we as much as we feel like doing it. We are no threat to them and they are no threat to us.



You and your company can't even reach 500k subscriptions.
HTFU.


Thats the reason why we have quality instead of quantity,
in game, in teh comunity, choose where :-P

In fact, we are better,
i've played WOW for a time, it never happend that there were 10 mature guys sitting in front of the computer on vent, and talking about world politics (ok there were some "stick it in your pooper" comments), but at a normal amount.

I'm pretty sure if there would be a Statistics on how many percent of the playerbase are idiots, we would get the lowest number.

Br

Archbeholder
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:14:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Marija Vanszar

In fact, we are better,
Br

Don't forget the mandatory "sandbox", "player driven economy" and "2 expansions each year".
Blizzard really does lose a lot of sleep over it. Rolling Eyes

Marija Vanszar
Caldari
The Warp Pub
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:15:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Archbeholder
Originally by: Marija Vanszar

In fact, we are better,
Br

Don't forget the mandatory "sandbox", "FULLY player driven economy" and "2 FREE expansions each year".
Blizzard really does lose a lot of sleep over it. Rolling Eyes


Corrected.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:17:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Archbeholder
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai

Provided the difference, we and our company perform better than they do, but they are big and we are small and that will never ever change as long as we are who we are.

We are proud to be kings of the molehill and deserve to laugh at the real king if we as much as we feel like doing it. We are no threat to them and they are no threat to us.



You and your company can't even reach 500k subscriptions.
HTFU.

I've never seen the expression "HTFU" in any other game's forum, it's a typical EVE abbreviation.

For the rest; agreed with the OP. But it's a common phenomena that people who are member of a country/sports club/community/religion to think they're better/smarter/superior than others. EVE players aren't any different.

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:17:00 - [16]
 

I would say that the community is better due to more sophisticated verbal (literal) abuse. I mean we are equally "stupid", but we explain it better. I mean a person over twenty has a better vocabulary and understanding of what he/she is ranting about. Also the rants are just better.

In wow you have most ten year olds that have get a fit from anything. Even if they wouldn't play wow. Their reaction is "stuff this in your pooper" and it's just verbally boring. They aren't rants, they are spam!

I mean when they say "_ _ _" (the minority of sexuals) we might say "Hey, you brownholeknight aviator!". Same stupidity, but with a finesse :)

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:17:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Archbeholder
Blizzard really does lose a lot of sleep over it. Rolling Eyes
Who cares about Blizzard? It's about the community.

Archbeholder
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:21:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Archbeholder
Blizzard really does lose a lot of sleep over it. Rolling Eyes
Who cares about Blizzard? It's about the community.

I'd choose idiots over backstabbers any day of the week Laughing

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:25:00 - [19]
 

OK, here's the graphical evidence. They suck. End of discussion.

Ooooh, a coool black elf!!!

That game is ugly as hell. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Marija Vanszar
Caldari
The Warp Pub
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:33:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
OK, here's the graphical evidence. They suck. End of discussion.

Ooooh, a coool black elf!!!

That game is ugly as hell. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


I always think thoose screenshots are made with windows 95 computers and lowest graphics, but it's the best graphics.... that's just sad.

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:15:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Othran
Well the first time someone told me that Eve had a "better community" than most MMOs I laughed.

When Eve won some community award I actually wrecked a keyboard as I laughed so hard I spilled hot tea all over it - it never recovered from that even after cleaning Very Happy

With very few exceptions the Eve (forum) community are a shower of ********s you WOULD cross the street to avoid talking to.

I seem to remember the same being true in 2003 - Miner2 drama anyone? Very Happy


I thought EVE had better community back in 2005. At least I got that feeling when I joined the game!

catinboots
Minmatar
Vintage heavy industries
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:35:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
OK, here's the graphical evidence. They suck. End of discussion.

Ooooh, a coool black elf!!!

That game is ugly as hell. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Why does he has green tentacles on his head

Wait they no tentacles. Yyyeeeeeuuuuh

Marija Vanszar
Caldari
The Warp Pub
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:37:00 - [23]
 


Token Prophets
Walking Ghost Phase
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:49:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Othran


I actually wrecked a keyboard as I laughed so hard I spilled hot tea all over it - it never recovered from that even after cleaning Very Happy

Very Happy


The above did not happen, it almost never happens and is an idiotic saying from slow learners.

James Fiveaces
Posted - 2011.03.18 13:17:00 - [25]
 

It's obviously so that space and spaceships are the most mature subject matter.

Alonzo Harris
Posted - 2011.03.18 13:18:00 - [26]
 

OP's alliance and their counterpart are probably the biggest contributors to the problem he describes.

James Tiberius Kirk
Posted - 2011.03.18 13:21:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: James Tiberius Kirk on 18/03/2011 13:26:14
Most mature people left EVE long ago, remaining are trolls, wannabe trolls, forum extraordinaires/celebrities, chribba and bots. Guess which group of people are posting, if reading at all.

Ever wonder why forums are 3 times less active than it was 4 years ago?

Ariane VoxDei
Posted - 2011.03.18 13:36:00 - [28]
 

Quote:
Can we stop the "Lol <other MMO>'s community sucks compared to ours"?


No.

The maturity isnt gone. There are just more people. More people means more (vocal) jerks and attention *****s.
However, people only have a limited amount of time and attention.
This means they get more extreme to stand out in the flood of bad posts.

You are reminiscing about what it was like with only 10k online and so few active on forums that you all could get your attention needs met.

It is different now. Attention is spread thin. Ton of new players dont know you. You feel like a lost nobody in a sea of uncaring trolls.

However, the community still has some very useful qualities. As for the forum, there is just so much more **** per useful post...

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.03.18 13:37:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Ciphero
Edited by: Ciphero on 18/03/2011 10:23:32
Back in t'day, Eve genuinely did have a more mature community than many other MMO's (the big bad WoW chief among them), probably due to the inherently steep learning curve. The kids and denser members of society were turned away by the game itself, unwilling as it was to compensate for their short attention spans and the short planks that they were as thick as. Eve is now 8 years old, and has (quite rightly) opened itself up to a greater audience - 10,000 online is no longer remotely noteworthy, let alone an event everyone gets excited about.

The downside to this wonderful growth is that that maturity in the community has gone. That's fine - that puts the Eve community on the same level pegging as other MMOs. What other MMOs generally don't do, however, is look down their noses with undeserved arrogance and smugly proclaim that they're different. Over in Eve, you can read about the "WoW kids" in every other thread, two posts below "lol jew ***" being considered a worthy reply.

Be immature, be childish, be embarrassing. Don't pretend you're better.

Edit: Opinions mine, not necessarily that of my corp/alliance/yadda yadda.

You are confusing the EVE General Discussion forum section with EVE community.

Ciphero
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.18 13:57:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Alonzo Harris
OP's alliance and their counterpart are probably the biggest contributors to the problem he describes.

Declaring Eve's community to be the best, quietly ignoring the immature aspects?

Oh, wait, you only skim-read the post and are attacking a claim I haven't made, never mind.


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