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cosmoray
Perkone
Posted - 2011.03.18 03:53:00 - [1]
 

Well I left, I hadn't logged in but I have been reading the forums.
I would have stayed away but for the person who called me a "sociopath", which I did enjoy a lot.

Anyway it got me thinking, many people get kicks playing this game in different ways.
From my thread I realised in my case that being an evil sociopath is much more fun than running a business. What was I thinking, I go to work every day and "run" (my small piece) a business.
When I play Eve I just get to be an ass.

I found these lovely links to sometheorising about being evil in games, and people crying over losing "loot" in fantasy game.

Noobs crying a lot

Are evil people in games, evil in real life


One of the things that killed me here was the morph into everything being a perfect world, morals, living a perfect life, and lots of pointless VV threads.


Obviously VV likes to play nicey, nicey but isn't it more fun being bad?
Just look at what happens to priests who have to spend their whole life being nice!!!






Yes, I am an attention grabbing w*%re.

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.03.18 03:57:00 - [2]
 

reserve 5 bill pending audit

Clown Pron
Posted - 2011.03.18 03:58:00 - [3]
 

Everyone is just butthurt

Lando Antilles
Posted - 2011.03.18 04:00:00 - [4]
 

Glib useless post:
ISK sent.

Attempt at humor:
Wait a second... Sad that was the problem that started this whole mess

Misty McGinnity
Mystify Trading Company
Posted - 2011.03.18 04:06:00 - [5]
 

its more fun having a "good" character & a bad one.

best of both worlds.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.03.18 04:12:00 - [6]
 

Like many ponzi scammers, I'm convinced you are just a failed businessman trying to make the best of a situation that got out of your control. Otherwise, your haul per year is pretty pitiful. Please, stop with the facade. It's embarrassing.

Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.03.18 04:13:00 - [7]
 

Brilliant once again mister cosmoray. When can we invest?

Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
Posted - 2011.03.18 04:24:00 - [8]
 

Evil is more fun if you're a sociopath, you sociopath

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.03.18 06:07:00 - [9]
 

Okay, I take it back, a lot of people are apparently falling for the facade.

Way to be a failed spaceship game capitalist devious scammer who totally planned all this from the start.

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2011.03.18 08:04:00 - [10]
 

Being evil is only fun if there are overzealous "saints" opposing you.

Imagine you are evil and nobody cares... Confused

Khanid Voltar
Night's Dawn Investment Fund
Posted - 2011.03.18 08:11:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 18/03/2011 08:11:38
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Like many ponzi scammers, I'm convinced you are just a failed businessman trying to make the best of a situation that got out of your control. Otherwise, your haul per year is pretty pitiful.


QFT

Roguehalo
Caldari
Roguehalo Ship Brokers
Posted - 2011.03.18 08:31:00 - [12]
 

You are now a pariah. Just slink off into the night.

Slavemaster
Posted - 2011.03.18 08:36:00 - [13]
 

zzzzzz

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.03.18 08:52:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: cosmoray

Well I left, I hadn't logged in but I have been reading the forums.



Several days ago, on SCC Lounge you said you'd sell the character (was it for 1B?) or biomass.
Did the sale go as bad as the rest of your venture?

By your words, you are supposed to biomass, then.


Originally by: Cyaxares II

Being evil is only fun if there are overzealous "saints" opposing you.

Imagine you are evil and nobody cares...



QFT.

You are spent. Used. Gone. Boring. So 2010. None cares of yet another weak copy of Bad Bobby or the countless YAWN guys who believe being the next scammer is any better than being the next snowflake.


Originally by: cosmoray

Just look at what happens to priests who have to spend their whole life being nice!!!



It is written - and they accept it - that those who will do good will face against evil and will possibly die.

People who die for their ideals are a rare breed, those who die for helping other people are even rarer and are an example for the others to follow.

Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.18 08:54:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: cosmoray
isn't it more fun being bad?



No, it's the easy option.

Atima
Minmatar
House of Marbles
Posted - 2011.03.18 09:25:00 - [16]
 

Personally I don't understand the hate that is laid against scamming. It is well within game mechanics, his and most importantly your choice that this can occur.

Oh don't get me wrong cosmoray, I still dont like you. Not for scamming though, but for ****poasting in my threads about 2 years ago and telling everyone how obvious it is I was a scammer. Ironic really ;)

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.03.18 09:31:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Atima
Personally I don't understand the hate that is laid against scamming. It is well within game mechanics, his and most importantly your choice that this can occur.



It's also well within RL mechanics and a choice in there as well (just *sometimes* with some more consequences). This might why people apply in game the same "hate" they apply in RL.

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:21:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: cosmoray
isn't it more fun being bad?

Outside of roleplaying, I don't see the relevance of good and evil in what is essentially a cut throat, high stakes, PvP focused game.

I have no more issue with being the pirate, murder or thief in EVE than I have with being on the Terrorist team in Counter-Strike. Morality doesn't come in to it.

In MD, there is a complex game being played both within and between the groups of Investors, Scammers and Businessmen. This game is made all the more complex by the fact that nobody knows which group you are in, in fact you can be on all three teams at once. But no matter how complex and cut throat that game gets, it's still a game.

There is a lot of outrage and tears to be found here, as with other arenas within EVE. There are roleplayers that do get immersed into the role they have chosen and discuss things as if they were real. There are people that take the game a little too seriously, to the point where in-game events actually do cause them real distress. There are people that are simply sore losers, or petulant children, that cannot deal with loss in a mature way. None of this changes the fact that it's just a game, with winners and losers. Good and evil are no more than team colours... if even that.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:26:00 - [19]
 

BB you were an intelligent poster, your services good and comprehensive. Why did you have to thrash it all like that Crying or Very sad. For stupid Monopoly money none the less.

Hexxx
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:34:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: cosmoray
Well I left, I hadn't logged in but I have been reading the forums.
I would have stayed away but for the person who called me a "sociopath", which I did enjoy a lot.

Anyway it got me thinking, many people get kicks playing this game in different ways.
From my thread I realised in my case that being an evil sociopath is much more fun than running a business. What was I thinking, I go to work every day and "run" (my small piece) a business.
When I play Eve I just get to be an ass.

I found these lovely links to sometheorising about being evil in games, and people crying over losing "loot" in fantasy game.

Noobs crying a lot

Are evil people in games, evil in real life


One of the things that killed me here was the morph into everything being a perfect world, morals, living a perfect life, and lots of pointless VV threads.


Obviously VV likes to play nicey, nicey but isn't it more fun being bad?
Just look at what happens to priests who have to spend their whole life being nice!!!






Yes, I am an attention grabbing w*%re.



People like to be stupid and lazy in real life, I don't see how that changes when they start playing games. Case in point. What you've done and what you do will be of little note to anyone 2 years from now.

But hey, welcome back for the handful of weeks you manage to maintain enough interest to post. Very Happy

Naya Sky
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:40:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Bad Bobby
I have no more issue with being the pirate, murder or thief in EVE than I have with being on the Terrorist team in Counter-Strike. Morality doesn't come in to it.


CS game lasts a couple of minutes and EVE lasts quite a bit longer so it's not really much of a comparison.

But lets say that you are a part of a professional CS team and you and your friends work months or even years to improve your team to a point where you can win major tournaments together. And on that final and most important tournament you decide to go all crazy and shot your team-mates. It's just a game right?

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.18 11:47:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
BB you were an intelligent poster, your services good and comprehensive. Why did you have to thrash it all like that Crying or Very sad. For stupid Monopoly money none the less.

I don't think I've become a less intelligent poster and my services are still active, busy and profitable.

I think that you see MD as being a more significant entity in EVE than it actually is and therefore you perceive that I have thrown away a great deal more than I have in reality. Business in the wider world of EVE is done on a daily basis between enemys and rivals, my scam is of little consequence when it comes to people's willingness to do business with me.

All I have lost is the ability to draw upon MD as a source of investment for this character. I can still raise considerable funds from other sources, like my various corps, alliances and my wider circle of friends and generally with less effort than it takes to raise the same funds in MD. Indeed I can still raise funds in MD, should it suit me to do so.

So what have I really lost here? The ability to post with authority in MD? The admiration of a group of people on the internet? I grant you that my scam was not a 100% win for me, but it's also not the "trash it all for monopoly money" that you see it as.

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:05:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Naya Sky
Originally by: Bad Bobby
I have no more issue with being the pirate, murder or thief in EVE than I have with being on the Terrorist team in Counter-Strike. Morality doesn't come in to it.


CS game lasts a couple of minutes and EVE lasts quite a bit longer so it's not really much of a comparison.

But lets say that you are a part of a professional CS team and you and your friends work months or even years to improve your team to a point where you can win major tournaments together. And on that final and most important tournament you decide to go all crazy and shot your team-mates. It's just a game right?

That's not really much of a comparison either is it?

None of my friends or corp mates were scammed by T4U. All my friends that invested were refunded in full and some were given the chance to sell their shares, once the scam had been executed but before it was reported, for extra profit. I never shot a team mate either. One of the most interesting aspects of MD is the fact that you never know which "team" anyone is on.

By contrast, you would never see me gunning down my own team mate in the alliance tournament... oh wait... I did do that, didn't I... Well, it was for the good of the team. :)

Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:05:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Naya Sky

But lets say that you are a part of a professional CS team and you and your friends work months or even years to improve your team to a point where you can win major tournaments together. And on that final and most important tournament you decide to go all crazy and shot your team-mates. It's just a game right?


Was just thinking of a nice analogy but i think this one hits the spot. The "it's just red team / blue team" theory is horse****.

Some people like to bring morality into EVE because it improves their game experience. Some people like to flush morality down the toilet because it improves their game experience. The game needs both types of people to make it the interesting and complex world that it is. However, both types of player use or abuse morality one way or another to achieve their goals and get their kicks, so saying morality doesn't come into it is rubbish.

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:16:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Magnu Stormhawk
Some people like to bring morality into EVE because it improves their game experience. Some people like to flush morality down the toilet because it improves their game experience.

Yes, they are called roleplayers. Even if they don't see themselves as such.
Originally by: Magnu Stormhawk
so saying morality doesn't come into it is rubbish.

I was referring entirely to my own perspective. I am not a roleplayer. For me the game is a game and nothing more. I don't consider the morality of separating a person from their ship in PvP and I don't consider the morality of separating a person from their isk in a scam. For me, morality doesn't come in to it because I am playing a PvP orientated game where everyone risks their assets by design.

Mister Rocknrolla
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:34:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: cosmoray
Yes, I am an attention grabbing w*%re.


^^This seems to be a more common and serious ailment around here than 'evil-ness'

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:50:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 18/03/2011 12:51:37
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Magnu Stormhawk
Some people like to bring morality into EVE because it improves their game experience. Some people like to flush morality down the toilet because it improves their game experience.

Yes, they are called roleplayers. Even if they don't see themselves as such.


So you are a roleplayer? Unless you are an "evil" guy in real life, then YOU are the one playing the role and all those people that abide by laws, or think stealing is morally wrong, are the ones being themselves ie NOT roleplayers.

Cosmoray, nobody cares about your story, be quiet.

Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:51:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Bad Bobby

I was referring entirely to my own perspective. I am not a roleplayer. For me the game is a game and nothing more. I don't consider the morality of separating a person from their ship in PvP and I don't consider the morality of separating a person from their isk in a scam. For me, morality doesn't come in to it because I am playing a PvP orientated game where everyone risks their assets by design.


Yet you refer to your 'friends and team-mates' and tell us how you didn't scam them and wouldn't shoot them. What else apart from morality drives you to do that? You are a role-player just as much as anyone else because you are given choices. You choose to ally with some people and screw over others because thats how you get your kicks.

The fact that EVE does not have a 'purpose' or an aim to the game means that 'winning' is different for everyone. Therefore you cannot compare it to simple games where there is a clear goal and morality is truly irrelevant. EVE features an element of choice. I accept it is just your perspective, but I can't see how you can say morality doesn't feature anywhere for you.

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.03.18 13:10:00 - [29]
 

Evil = easy & lazy. It's as simple as that.

egola
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.18 13:11:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Magnu Stormhawk
Originally by: Bad Bobby

I was referring entirely to my own perspective. I am not a roleplayer. For me the game is a game and nothing more. I don't consider the morality of separating a person from their ship in PvP and I don't consider the morality of separating a person from their isk in a scam. For me, morality doesn't come in to it because I am playing a PvP orientated game where everyone risks their assets by design.


Yet you refer to your 'friends and team-mates' and tell us how you didn't scam them and wouldn't shoot them. What else apart from morality drives you to do that? You are a role-player just as much as anyone else because you are given choices. You choose to ally with some people and screw over others because thats how you get your kicks.

The fact that EVE does not have a 'purpose' or an aim to the game means that 'winning' is different for everyone. Therefore you cannot compare it to simple games where there is a clear goal and morality is truly irrelevant. EVE features an element of choice. I accept it is just your perspective, but I can't see how you can say morality doesn't feature anywhere for you.

don't forget its also perfectly natural that people DO try to justify their actions, so its not so much that he doesn't have morality , but rather hes selectively ignoring it to perform said action.

hes only actively denying it to justify what he would otherwise find it as "evil", guess we all need that little something to prevent ourselves from being paradoxical to our values/beliefs


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