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Master John2
Gallente
Knights of the Old Empire
The Chamber of Commerce
Posted - 2005.02.03 10:54:00 - [1]
 

Serp extravaganza Level 4, gate one not so bad 2 BS's and load a cruisers and frigs, bombarded at gate with shadow serps, exspected..

Gate 2, 7 Battaleships a good 25 cruisers and a load of ceptors,

i was there all of 30 secs and i was already in hull, 33% was the amount i was left b4 i managed to warp out, i know u say level 4's are "team work" but i was armor tanking a megahron, and i couldnt belive my eyes when i warped in, let alone the HUGE amount of lag, i expected it to be hard, but not as hard as pirate exa level 4, if i could shot screen shots i would... i wanna know how it is pos for anyone to tank that, even if u are in a team, the first one through is the "taged one" so if they dont warp out they are going to die, so if someone can explain how i am ment to fight a dual Battleship and cruisers b4 i get out of warp, please tell me, it has got me gob smacked,

i dont know how CCP expect anyone to do the mission, i dont even wanna think what is at the 3rd "last gate"

an officer of course but not solo able

Thomdril Merrilin
Defile.
Posted - 2005.02.03 11:47:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Thomdril Merrilin on 03/02/2005 11:47:30
I had this mission last night and it is insane!

My tank can pretty much hold up to ANY lvl 4 mission but that one ran me dry and into armour before i could warp out.

WTF is with having the ENTIRE spawn insta agro at close range?? (remember these are SERPENTIS = blasters)

I recommend skipping this mission unless you are in a gang of at least 4/5 well setup BS'. Shocked

edit - SP.

Minuz1
Shinra
Posted - 2005.02.03 11:52:00 - [3]
 

Any info on the spawns and your setups really help if you want info on this.
Dmg types you are dealing/tanking and such.

I've taken this mission 2-3x times without much difficulty in a raven with bleh named mods and torps.

Falbala
Gallente
Ishtar's Destiny
Posted - 2005.02.03 12:07:00 - [4]
 

Sorry, not directly related but I lost my dominix to a level 3 extravaganza today. Entirely my fault but I noticed some ships teleported on me (20 or 30km jump in like one second). With a MWD you can't go that fast.

Bad'Boy
Caldari
Men in Black
Posted - 2005.02.03 12:11:00 - [5]
 

never understood how can some1 loose BS to level 3 mission...

Tavernier
MELLOW HUNTERS
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2005.02.03 12:16:00 - [6]
 

MasterJohn2,

The only way to do that mission is to have support ships...
say 1 mega or apoc with very high resistances, 1 arma with 3 remote armor reps and all cap mods, and one raven to actually do the damage...

Falbala, what you probably saw is lag, or space-distortions... I've run Zor's Damsel in Distress complex many times now... several ships aren't were they are supposed to be... (Overview and visual make the ship look like 20km away, but it's missiles are coming from somewhere else, multifrequency crystal (optimal range 20km) won't hit, but radio crystals (60km range) will hit perfectly...)


Tavernier
MELLOW HUNTERS
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2005.02.03 12:17:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Bad'Boy
never understood how can some1 loose BS to level 3 mission...


The pirate extravaganza level 3 can be quite surprisingly difficult for a less experienced pilot...

but anyway... a domi isn't really a bs... Laughing

Falbala
Gallente
Ishtar's Destiny
Posted - 2005.02.03 12:35:00 - [8]
 

I lost it because I warped too late, it is not a skill point problem lol. They teleported on me or it was a distorsion I don't know but the result was I couldn't hit them with my guns... Only the drones could and the drones killed one indeed but 2 were left and they got my ship when I was warping.

If by losing a ship you meant losing any L3 battle just go and do this mission in a dominix then we talk again.. I had the warp away the first gate and made it to the third but lost the ship then.

Second gate was fine because I could kill them from far away and the 3rd 2 of them teleported on me.

I am not a great (and not even a good) fighter but I know the ranges of my guns and when to use them, if the npcs start jumping on my ship then yes I am in troubles, I think I will remove the guns to equip smartbombs now lol.

Hera III
Amarr
Silverpaw Mining Company
Posted - 2005.02.03 12:58:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Thomdril Merrilin
Edited by: Thomdril Merrilin on 03/02/2005 11:47:30
I had this mission last night and it is insane!

My tank can pretty much hold up to ANY lvl 4 mission but that one ran me dry and into armour before i could warp out.

WTF is with having the ENTIRE spawn insta agro at close range?? (remember these are SERPENTIS = blasters)

I recommend skipping this mission unless you are in a gang of at least 4/5 well setup BS'. Shocked

edit - SP.


Thom, gimme a call sometime Wink

been awhile since we've been on a date..

Bad'Boy
Caldari
Men in Black
Posted - 2005.02.03 12:58:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Falbala
I lost it because I warped too late, it is not a skill point problem lol. They teleported on me or it was a distorsion I don't know but the result was I couldn't hit them with my guns... Only the drones could and the drones killed one indeed but 2 were left and they got my ship when I was warping.

If by losing a ship you meant losing any L3 battle just go and do this mission in a dominix then we talk again.. I had the warp away the first gate and made it to the third but lost the ship then.

Second gate was fine because I could kill them from far away and the 3rd 2 of them teleported on me.

I am not a great (and not even a good) fighter but I know the ranges of my guns and when to use them, if the npcs start jumping on my ship then yes I am in troubles, I think I will remove the guns to equip smartbombs now lol.



you should be able to tank any level 3 mission in a BS 4ever...
but ok **** happens

Falbala
Gallente
Ishtar's Destiny
Posted - 2005.02.03 13:14:00 - [11]
 

I am not skilled enough to tank damages like this:

[ 2005.02.03 01:39:15 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Arch Angel Viper hits you, doing 44.8 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:17 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Scourge Heavy Missile I belonging to Angel Cartel hits you, doing 150.0 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Angel Legionnaire places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 151.1 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:18 ] (notify) shieldBoosting requires 60.0 units of charge. The capacitor has only 31.7 units.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:19 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Depredator hits you, doing 17.2 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:20 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Arch Angel Viper barely scratches you, causing 32.1 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:21 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Angel Legionnaire places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 145.9 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:22 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Depredator barely scratches you, causing 9.7 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:23 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Depredator lightly hits you, doing 12.2 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Angel Legionnaire places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 157.1 damage.

Akaviri
Interstel
Posted - 2005.02.03 13:17:00 - [12]
 

I did the Serpentis Extravaganza lvl 4 with a Scorpion and I had no problems. I actually thought it was one of the easier lvl 4 missions. Something must have been seriously wrong if you got down to hull in 30 seconds. Did they all aggro on you?

Anyway, I'd petition this loss since you mention you had terrible lag and there is an armor repairer/hardener bug that has been causing lag lately.



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Karol Kei
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.02.03 14:08:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Karol Kei on 03/02/2005 14:17:06
I tanked apoc with

high: 4 mega beam 1s, heavy pulse, heavy nos and two cruise launchers. <- not nice damage output, but nos helps the tank.

med: 4 cap recharger 2s

low: 2 L acco repairers, 2* thermal and 2*kinetic hardeners and a cap relay.

The tank seemed to be holding, as long as i had the nos pointed at something. I have good skills.

I had to warp in a gankageddon to deal the damage, as it would have taken forever and ever. In the end it would not have been too hard, but I had -the worst- lag I have ever experienced in this game yesterday. I lost my very nicely kitted apoc to a relatively easy mission before this one, due to screen freezing for a minute. I miss my nice mods. :(

I thought it would have been fixed on down time and accepted this mission - and spent the next several hours fighting lag on the three levels of this mission.

MrRookie
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2005.02.03 14:11:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Karol Kei
I tanked apoc with

low: 2 L acco repairers, 2* thermal and 2*heat hardeners and a cap relay.




Heh Cool
nice. I guess you mean 2 thermal and 2 kinetic

Thomdril Merrilin
Defile.
Posted - 2005.02.03 14:12:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Thomdril Merrilin on 03/02/2005 14:13:06
Raven with Xl C5-L booster + amp, 3x hardeners and a cap recharger II.

The ENTIRE spawn was on me and wtpwned my shields in seconds (could be a shield hardener bug?) but I had not yet aggressed the NPCs and ALL thats ALL of them were on me after coming out of warp.

This was not done solo as I had a support ship with me boosting shields... so I dont know how this could be possible solo!! Evil or Very Mad

Sable Moran
Gallente
Moran Light Industries
Posted - 2005.02.03 14:16:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Falbala
If by losing a ship you meant losing any L3 battle just go and do this mission in a dominix then we talk again.. I had the warp away the first gate and made it to the third but lost the ship then.


I've done that mission in a Domi. Very doable. Just aggro one group at a time and you're fine. Had to warp back to the station after the fourth stage, not because I had problems with the bad guys but because I needed to empty my cargo bay from all the loot (Yeah yeah I know, get an indy, ok maybe next time).

Originally by: Falbala
I am not a great (and not even a good) fighter but I know the ranges of my guns and when to use them, if the npcs start jumping on my ship then yes I am in troubles, I think I will remove the guns to equip smartbombs now lol.



Here's my current NPC setup for my Domi. Food for thought maybe?

Hi:
6 cruisers blasters
Med:
1 AB or MWD
1 sensor booster
1 webber
2 cap recharger
Low:
Heavy armor tank, all seven slots filled with armorplates, resistance modules and repairers.

And of cource dronebay filled with lots of killing power. Smile

My tactic is basically: I go in, I open fire, I kill stuff. Cool

Karol Kei
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.02.03 14:17:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: MrRookie

Heh Cool
nice. I guess you mean 2 thermal and 2 kinetic


Ooopsies. Where's the edit button. :D

Falbala
Gallente
Ishtar's Destiny
Posted - 2005.02.03 14:31:00 - [18]
 

Yes I didn't have the low slots well fitted, I don't pretend to be good at this. Anyway I haven't encountered any problem with my setup until this mission. When I was hunting Serpentis Smugglers in my first Imicus they had to travel to me to actually damage me, they didn't teleport right under my nose, and later in the Thorax and when I started hunting with the Dominix it was the same. Now things have changed so yes I will have to put more defenses I agree.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2005.02.03 14:36:00 - [19]
 

As far as I heard, shooting the sentry guns is what gets them all to attack you at once. Deal with sentries after you've thinned the mobs out a little.

Novo DuPont
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2005.02.03 15:37:00 - [20]
 

The NPC placement in that missions is definately screwed up for all the rooms. I also had a tanked Mega and lasted for about 2 minutes before I ran low on cap and had to warp out.

BUT room 2 has no frigs ...just 6 COMMANDER and Eldar lvl BS's plus 25 eldar and several commander lvl cruisers. They were ALL at 10 km from the warp in point and all went aggro on warp in.

I did this mission before and the NPC were spread out like they were suppose to, so something changed during patch.

There is no way to solo room 2 and anyone who says they have and isnt running 2 of the 1200 HP shield boosters or 1200 HP armor reps and 80% resistance is out right blowing smoke.

Even then I dont think cap whould last long enough to kill off all the BS's let alone the cruisers.

CPP FIX THE NPC PLACEMENT PLEASE!!!!!!!!

Akaviri
Interstel
Posted - 2005.02.03 16:06:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Novo DuPont
They were ALL at 10 km from the warp in point and all went aggro on warp in.



Well, something is clearly borked. I don't understand why my serpentis extravaganza mission wasn't messed up. The npcs were in groups at various distances like they usually are and they didn't all aggro on me at once. Guess I was lucky. Smile

Nicmo
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.02.03 16:56:00 - [22]
 

i had this mission yesterday, did lvl1 ok with my tanked raven (solo) and then i warped to lvl2 and there were like 3 BSs or more and a **** load of cruisers like 15km away and they all started locking (ho-ho warp out) i did while sending a voley to a cruiser, killed it and warp out. warp in again and there they were, they went thru my shield i like 40 secs :/

like it is now its not doable solo, noooo way :)

btw what hardner damage types u guys using for this?

Akaviri
Interstel
Posted - 2005.02.03 19:14:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: nicmo
i had this mission yesterday, did lvl1 ok with my tanked raven (solo) and then i warped to lvl2 and there were like 3 BSs or more and a **** load of cruisers like 15km away and they all started locking (ho-ho warp out) i did while sending a voley to a cruiser, killed it and warp out. warp in again and there they were, they went thru my shield i like 40 secs :/

like it is now its not doable solo, noooo way :)

btw what hardner damage types u guys using for this?


For Serpentis I use Kinetic and Thermal hardeners, but on the 3rd area of this mission there are two Centus Tyrants that do EM and Thermal damage, so I had to switch hardeners to take care of them. For now I'm going to avoid this mission. I hope they fix it.


Lord Dynastron
Mystical Knights
Posted - 2005.02.03 20:13:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Bad'Boy
never understood how can some1 loose BS to level 3 mission...


I managed to do that. Lost all sorts a prototype weapons. I blame the TV.

Nicmo
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.02.03 20:44:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Akaviri
Originally by: nicmo
i had this mission yesterday, did lvl1 ok with my tanked raven (solo) and then i warped to lvl2 and there were like 3 BSs or more and a **** load of cruisers like 15km away and they all started locking (ho-ho warp out) i did while sending a voley to a cruiser, killed it and warp out. warp in again and there they were, they went thru my shield i like 40 secs :/

like it is now its not doable solo, noooo way :)

btw what hardner damage types u guys using for this?


For Serpentis I use Kinetic and Thermal hardeners, but on the 3rd area of this mission there are two Centus Tyrants that do EM and Thermal damage, so I had to switch hardeners to take care of them. For now I'm going to avoid this mission. I hope they fix it.




how the hell do u clean up the 2nd area? only i see it is warp in from gate, BM something, warp out and warp in at 60km, then nuke 2 cruisers while tanking and do that 10 more times lol

Thomdril Merrilin
Defile.
Posted - 2005.02.04 01:31:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: nicmo
how the hell do u clean up the 2nd area? only i see it is warp in from gate, BM something, warp out and warp in at 60km, then nuke 2 cruisers while tanking and do that 10 more times lol


There must be 2 variants of the same mission, my agent is in low sec so maybe I get the harder 1?

Anyways I KNOW that the mission I did was a tough son of a ***** and NOT soloable. Shocked

Minuz1
Shinra
Posted - 2005.02.05 09:02:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Minuz1 on 05/02/2005 09:05:07
Originally by: Falbala
I am not skilled enough to tank damages like this:

[ 2005.02.03 01:39:15 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Arch Angel Viper hits you, doing 44.8 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:17 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Scourge Heavy Missile I belonging to Angel Cartel hits you, doing 150.0 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Angel Legionnaire places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 151.1 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:18 ] (notify) shieldBoosting requires 60.0 units of charge. The capacitor has only 31.7 units.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:19 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Depredator hits you, doing 17.2 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:20 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Arch Angel Viper barely scratches you, causing 32.1 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:21 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Angel Legionnaire places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 145.9 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:22 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Depredator barely scratches you, causing 9.7 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:23 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Depredator lightly hits you, doing 12.2 damage.
[ 2005.02.03 01:39:24 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Gistum Angel Legionnaire places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 157.1 damage.


when tanking.... use hardenerers...and larger then medium shield boosters on BS's, of course I cannot tell what kind of a setup you have...but by the looks of it you died because of a dried out cap.

D'Artagnan
Bladerunners
Posted - 2005.02.05 11:20:00 - [28]
 

I soloed this mission last night no real problem except at one point for no reason that i can think of 5 of the bs when agro on me. I just warped out and came back in and wasted the foolsVery Happy

DannyTheGreat
Posted - 2005.02.05 12:29:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Lord Dynastron
Originally by: Bad'Boy
never understood how can some1 loose BS to level 3 mission...


I managed to do that. Lost all sorts a prototype weapons. I blame the TV.


lmao

ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2005.02.05 14:51:00 - [30]
 

Did it solo in a raven.....

You guys are doing something wrong for everyone to aggro on you.... do you scout in a shuttle or something first and all the rats are lured to the beacon?

Only thing weird about that mission was that it had Sansha battleships Rolling Eyes


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