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CCP Oneiromancer

Posted - 2011.03.15 11:05:00 - [1]
 

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Duality on Evelopedia

This week we will open up a new semi-public test server called Duality. The focus of this new test server will be events, such as mass-tests and CCP-coordinated public play-tests.

A few important things you should know about Duality:

  • Duality will be running database mirrors from Tranquility, just like Singularity does.

  • Duality will NOT be accessible to the players all the time. Outside of organized testing events we will keep Duality in VIP mode, for internal testing only.

  • If you use Duality, make sure that you make a separate client install for it.

  • There is no account reactivation support for Duality at the moment, but this is something we're working on for the future.

  • There is no combat system on Duality.


  • midget gem
    Diplomatic Disruption
    Chain of Chaos
    Posted - 2011.03.15 11:33:00 - [2]
     

    So, does this mean that you will stop Mass Tests on Sisi?

    CCP Oneiromancer

    Posted - 2011.03.15 11:48:00 - [3]
     

    We aim to have mass tests on Duality instead of Singularity in the future and use Singularity for ongoing public testing.

    nocaffeine
    Posted - 2011.03.15 11:50:00 - [4]
     

    Edited by: nocaffeine on 15/03/2011 11:51:06
    Originally by: midget gem
    So, does this mean that you will stop Mass Tests on Sisi?


    basically yes. They will still exist just on their own special server thats only gonna be online for specific things, the free sp rewards and bans for disrupting the testing will still be applied to singularity though.

    Edit: i fail for not typing fast enough, Oneiromancer beat me to the answer

    Graegori Hauss
    Gallente
    Federal Navy Academy
    Posted - 2011.03.15 14:17:00 - [5]
     

    Edited by: Graegori Hauss on 15/03/2011 14:18:40
    So basically we have to waste another 8 GB of space just so they can have a separate server for mass tests?

    Gee, thanks CCP. It's not like I wanted to use that disk space for something else like music or movies or, god forbid, other games. Neutral

    Mike deVoid
    Firebird Squadron
    Terra-Incognita
    Posted - 2011.03.15 14:40:00 - [6]
     

    Will this mean another install of the eve client? Or will you change the Sisi updating tool so we can amend the Test Server installation to either Sisi or Ducie as we require?

    Jonnie Concrete
    Posted - 2011.03.15 15:41:00 - [7]
     

    Originally by: Mike deVoid
    Will this mean another install of the eve client?


    Yes.

    Also,

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    Rokh Krusher
    Posted - 2011.03.15 15:47:00 - [8]
     

    Will SISI be removed?
    (Testing is for CCP test purposes)

    DonHel
    Gallente
    Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
    The 0rphanage
    Posted - 2011.03.15 17:49:00 - [9]
     

    so over 21GB of eve now.. scratches head.. I think you take more of my computer space then anything lol. good thing theres loads free still

    midget gem
    Diplomatic Disruption
    Chain of Chaos
    Posted - 2011.03.15 17:58:00 - [10]
     

    One minute, if i have read this correctly this means that i have to download another eve so i can doo mass tests to get SP on sisi, because if this is true then thats kinda stupid to be honest

    Nyio
    Gallente
    Federal Navy Academy
    Posted - 2011.03.15 18:31:00 - [11]
     

    Originally by: CCP Hypnotic
    Things like the weekly mass tests, or guided play tests will, in the future, happen on Duality with much better coordination and preparation than what was capable on Singularity in the past.

    This is good news I think, though it will take another chunk of harddrive space like above posters pointed out.
    On the other hand, what's 8GB these days..

    I hope this means it will be easier to patch and get on in time for mass-testing.

    Lan Staz
    Posted - 2011.03.15 21:28:00 - [12]
     

    Is a DualityLauncher in the works?

    Konae
    Posted - 2011.03.15 22:36:00 - [13]
     

    - Followed all the steps in the Evelopedia page
    - No autopatch when trying to log in (status incompatible (release)
    - The "Download TQ to Duality Patch" doesn't download.

    I guess it is still early and not all pieces are yet in place. Let us know when we the patch is ready so we can update our third EvE installation.

    Tobin Shalim
    Eclipse Industrials
    Quantum Forge
    Posted - 2011.03.16 03:55:00 - [14]
     

    Originally by: Graegori Hauss
    Edited by: Graegori Hauss on 15/03/2011 14:18:40
    So basically we have to waste another 8 GB of space just so they can have a separate server for mass tests?

    Gee, thanks CCP. It's not like I wanted to use that disk space for something else like music or movies or, god forbid, other games. Neutral

    Pesets
    The Hunt Club
    Posted - 2011.03.16 06:47:00 - [15]
     

    I would assume Duality will be running the same version as Singularity, in which case all you need is a different shortcut with /server:Duality key appended. Well, and you might need to clear the cache. If not, chances are it still won't be that different, so you can probably get away with DucieLauncher.exe patching Sisi client for the duration of the mass test, then SisiLauncher.exe patching it back afterwards.

    Duality will be inaccessible most of the time, so there's no real need to keep a separate installation for it the whole time. Besides, honestly, eight gigs isn't the end of the world. I've got 20+ gigs of just Eve screenshots alone, and i'm just a bitter hater vet.

    Although it does irk me somewhat that a big chunk of those 8 gigs is Incarna-related resources. Would be kinda nice if all the Carbon stuff could just be installed separately, once, by those who care about it, and ignored by those who don't. I've re-created my avatar and don't plan to walk in stations a whole lot, so three copies of that content do feel like somewhat of a waste of space. Especially in the TQ client, those files currently have no purpose whatsoever.

    Also, whatever happened to Multiplicity? Wasn't it supposed to have more or less the same purpose?

    Tub Chil
    Posted - 2011.03.16 08:54:00 - [16]
     

    So every time there is a test player should download few GB data for this test only?

    Mikal Morataya
    Posted - 2011.03.16 19:36:00 - [17]
     

    Edited by: Mikal Morataya on 16/03/2011 19:36:47
    I have tried creating a new client for this, and installing the TQ > Duality patch and it seemed to install the required stuff, yet when I run my short cut for Duality, its still coming up "incompatible version" with no autopatch option?

    Valari Nala Zena
    Caldari
    Perkone
    Posted - 2011.03.16 22:07:00 - [18]
     

    This is the sort of annoyance that would cause participation to drop drastically.

    CCP Oneiromancer

    Posted - 2011.03.17 13:59:00 - [19]
     

    Originally by: Lan Staz
    Is a DualityLauncher in the works?


    Yes, this is something that we're working on.

    Duality is currently running the same build as Singularity, so you should be fine with copying the install and changing the server IP in the shortcut.
    In the future it will likely run a different build from Singularity, but patches from the TQ build will be available.

    Undiscovered Glitch
    Gallente
    Jolly Codgers
    Get Off My Lawn
    Posted - 2011.03.17 14:45:00 - [20]
     

    Edited by: Undiscovered Glitch on 17/03/2011 15:06:08
    Hmmm....I heard a rumor of a masstest today on Duality...was that just a rumor? Also, there does not appear to be a current patch for the client compatible with the new server yet...is this correct?

    Nika Dekaia
    Posted - 2011.03.17 16:03:00 - [21]
     

    Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 17/03/2011 16:04:48
    Originally by: Undiscovered Glitch
    Edited by: Undiscovered Glitch on 17/03/2011 15:06:08
    Hmmm....I heard a rumor of a masstest today on Duality...was that just a rumor? Also, there does not appear to be a current patch for the client compatible with the new server yet...is this correct?
    Newsitem: Linkage Frequently updated thread in GD: Linkage As for a patch - read CCP Oneiromancer posted right above you. There is no special patch for Duality. A copy of a working Sisi client and a change in the shortcut will suffice.

    Also, this thread: Linkage

    Undiscovered Glitch
    Gallente
    Jolly Codgers
    Get Off My Lawn
    Posted - 2011.03.17 17:31:00 - [22]
     

    Well, then the instructions on the Duality EVElopedia page are incorrect, as it says to copy the TQ client, not the Sisi client.

    Nika Dekaia
    Posted - 2011.03.17 17:47:00 - [23]
     

    Originally by: Undiscovered Glitch
    Well, then the instructions on the Duality EVElopedia page are incorrect, as it says to copy the TQ client, not the Sisi client.
    It is correct. Duality just *happens* to run the same built as Sisi, which makes it easier to just copy the sisi folder, at the moment.

    Most of the times, the Sisi and the Duality build will be different and you should be patching with a Duality-patch from a copy of the TQ folder.

    Tank Quasar
    Posted - 2011.03.17 19:39:00 - [24]
     

    Edited by: Tank Quasar on 17/03/2011 20:02:26
    Edited by: Tank Quasar on 17/03/2011 19:58:37

    Wrong thread sorry.

    Maxwell Muhilo
    Posted - 2011.03.17 20:45:00 - [25]
     

    And it's all a moot point, cause I cant freaking undock!!!!

    also i can't remember the channel name to join for the test server stuff

    Stormchyld
    Minmatar
    Posted - 2011.03.18 12:08:00 - [26]
     

    After my rant on another thread yesterday I got Duality set up and working. But do you have any idea how long it will be b4 the "Character Stuck, please choose another Character or try again later" will be fixed when logging into the regular Singularity? Thanks

    Achaikos
    Posted - 2011.03.18 12:10:00 - [27]
     

    When will the normal sisi be back online?

    CCP Oneiromancer

    Posted - 2011.03.18 12:53:00 - [28]
     

    We are looking into the issue of systems and characters getting stuck, this is happening on both Singularity and Duality.

    Stormchyld
    Minmatar
    Posted - 2011.03.18 13:12:00 - [29]
     

    Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
    We are looking into the issue of systems and characters getting stuck, this is happening on both Singularity and Duality.


    Good enough..... thank you

    Soldarius
    Caldari
    Peek-A-Boo Bombers
    Posted - 2011.03.18 15:34:00 - [30]
     

    Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer
    We are looking into the issue of systems and characters getting stuck, this is happening on both Singularity and Duality.


    Okay, finally a response from CCP. But perhaps, since this issue is so far-reaching, widespread, and completely screws the player trying to use the test server(s), it deserves its own thread? Such things can be stickied for the duration, and then unstickied when resolved. (Prerequisites: Requires Poasting 5 and Forum Management 3.)


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